Re: [RBW] Found Upright riding worse than drops riding.

[Jim Bronson]

To add yet another datapoint:  I also prefer riding Noodles to any
swept-back bar.

On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 9:23 AM, lum gim fong  wrote:

> So I converted the Bleriot to upright so I could ride wifespeeds without
> hand discomfort  that comes with riding that slow for an entire ride on
> drops.
>
>  What I have found, in riding upright,  is that the discomfort of the
> hands is reduced 75% and the butt discomfort 100% increase ( which was
> nonexistent when I rode with drops) makes me want to just go back to drops.
> I am more comfortable riding at wifespeed (and all other speeds) with
> drops, turns out. No matter the bar heights or saddles.
>
> Also, headwinds are noticably more noticeable and wintry blasts harder to
> endure while upright.
>
> I don't think I have never heard of someone on this list, or from Walnut
> Creek finding uprighting to be less comfortable than dropsing. So I thought
> I'd include it as a datapoint here.
>
> Has anyone here also found upriding to not be their cup of tea?
>
> I will say though that upriding provides fantastic views.
>
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Re: [RBW] Found Upright riding worse than drops riding.

[EasyRider]

It's probably just me, but I find that if I'm going to go more than a mile 
without a turn (i.e., not commuting) I'd prefer drops. After 20 minutes, 
the muscles loosen up and I get to feeling bottled up and unsprung without 
drops. But if I'm turning a lot, or dealing with traffic, I'd rather ride 
moustache or Albatross bars, for visibility and stop and go comfort. Plus 
they play nice with a front basket. And if I'm dragging a child trailer or 
Weehoo, Albas all the way for leverage. That said, I do use a 130mm stem 
with my Alabatross bars, so I'm upright, but not bolt upright like a 
bikeshare bike.

On Monday, December 11, 2017 at 7:13:31 PM UTC-5, truegolden wrote:
>
> I find this to be an interesting and helpful thread. 
>
> Thanks for starting it Lum. 
>
> I have switched all 5 of my bikes to upright bars and for most rides 
> prefer them. 
>
> Occasionally, I want to push myself a little and wish for a more aero 
> position. 
> I will probably switch one bike back to Nitto Noodle bars for rides I 
> wish to push myself a bit more. 
>
> That's primarily because even though an old dude now, I occasionally get 
> in a competitive mindset 
> and try to surprise someone half my age who is probably on a 'wonder' 
> bike 8 to 10 or more pounds lighter or 
> at least make then work for dropping me and 'wonder' about an old white 
> bearded guy riding a 25 to 27 pound old steel bike 
> hanging with them for a while. 
>
> I also ride with my wife quite a bit and we only average 9 or 10 mph 
> when riding together and the upright bars work well for me on these rides. 
>
> Late spring or early summer, I forget, I did one 100k ride (although was 
> only planning for 30 to 40 miles) 
> by myself on an upright bar bike and my back side was more of an issue 
> than the hands at the end of the ride. 
> It was one of those days everything, bike, body, weather, traffic, etc 
> seemed to be clicking and I just kept going until I had had enough. 
> I think the vintage Univega bike for that ride had  Soma Sparrow bars on 
> it. 
>
> One thing that I learned early on was to move hand positions often 
> whichever bars on the bike. 
>
> Like Grant said 'different strokes' type of thing and also the' fun' 
> factor on the upright bars. 
> I seem to get more serious when on a drop bar bike. 
> I'm glad a well designed bike frame lends itself to a variety of 
> configurations. 
>
> It's fun for me to continue experimenting and learning from folks like 
> on this list. 
> Although I am not experimenting quite as much as one of my good friends 
> who I think has tried about every upright bar out there. 
> I kid about him changing bars like some folks change their shirts. 
> It sure helps to be able to do your own wrenching. 
>
> Safer pedaling everyone, 
> Paul in Dallas 
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[RBW] Found Upright riding worse than drops riding.

[Paul in Dallas]

I find this to be an interesting and helpful thread.

Thanks for starting it Lum.

I have switched all 5 of my bikes to upright bars and for most rides 
prefer them.


Occasionally, I want to push myself a little and wish for a more aero 
position.
I will probably switch one bike back to Nitto Noodle bars for rides I 
wish to push myself a bit more.


That's primarily because even though an old dude now, I occasionally get 
in a competitive mindset
and try to surprise someone half my age who is probably on a 'wonder' 
bike 8 to 10 or more pounds lighter or
at least make then work for dropping me and 'wonder' about an old white 
bearded guy riding a 25 to 27 pound old steel bike

hanging with them for a while.

I also ride with my wife quite a bit and we only average 9 or 10 mph 
when riding together and the upright bars work well for me on these rides.


Late spring or early summer, I forget, I did one 100k ride (although was 
only planning for 30 to 40 miles)
by myself on an upright bar bike and my back side was more of an issue 
than the hands at the end of the ride.
It was one of those days everything, bike, body, weather, traffic, etc 
seemed to be clicking and I just kept going until I had had enough.

I think the vintage Univega bike for that ride had  Soma Sparrow bars on it.

One thing that I learned early on was to move hand positions often 
whichever bars on the bike.


Like Grant said 'different strokes' type of thing and also the' fun' 
factor on the upright bars.

I seem to get more serious when on a drop bar bike.
I'm glad a well designed bike frame lends itself to a variety of 
configurations.


It's fun for me to continue experimenting and learning from folks like 
on this list.
Although I am not experimenting quite as much as one of my good friends 
who I think has tried about every upright bar out there.

I kid about him changing bars like some folks change their shirts.
It sure helps to be able to do your own wrenching.

Safer pedaling everyone,
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Re: [RBW] Found Upright riding worse than drops riding.

[Ryan Fleming]

this is a good thread and Grant,Patrick and Roberta sort of confirm my 
guess that  for the mixte with the choco-norms I should  shift my saddle 
back. Looking again at my bike I am not sure  I have too much rail to play 
with but there is some. I like drops  on  longer rides and my  favourite 
bar   for, oh,  25 years is  the moustache bar for the distances I 
generally ride. I think I'm just one of those folks who likes some lean 
(app 45 degrees)

Upright or not the bars RBW sells do allow a variety of hand positions and 
that  helps a lot.

As usual , interesting insights from the folks on the list

On Monday, December 11, 2017 at 11:40:38 AM UTC-6, REC wrote:
>
> Off list I had contacted Patrick about shoulder and neck pain on my non 
> Riv bike asking for recommendations on what changes I could make on it.  
> Saddle and handlebars are about the same height.  His suggestion once he 
> saw picture of the bike setup was to move the saddle back.  I don't know 
> the right terminology, but just as the seat is "behind" the peddles on the 
> OM-1 pictured above, my seat wasn't.  I changed the saddle to one with 
> longer rails and moved it to the most back position.  This removed most of 
> my pain and I felt more balanced on the bike.  It's almost perfect.  In 
> fact, it is so good, that I'm thinking about getting a Selle Anatomica 
> saddle because I heard that because it has longer rails I can move the seat 
> back even more.   Thank you Patrick!
>
> Roberta
>
> On Saturday, December 9, 2017 at 1:42:48 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Several people have described this experience on the list. I've found, as 
>> have others, that sometimes you relieve, not only your seat, but your 
>> shoulders, arms, and hands by moving the saddle back to get more of an 
>> angle between hip and pedals, and let your torso muscles hold more of your 
>> torso's weight. 
>>
>> This happens not only with drops but with bars of all sorts, IME.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Found Upright riding worse than drops riding.

[Patrick Moore]

I'd still like to learn more about the effect and benefit of the extremely
slack seat tube angles on such bikes as omafietses and the DL-1. Perhaps
these allow a position that "combines" the effects of both high/near bar
and "leaning"?

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Re: [RBW] Found Upright riding worse than drops riding.

[Patrick Moore]

Roberta: Thanks Grant; long ago he told me to do this and like you, I found
it worked.

On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 10:40 AM, REC  wrote:

> Off list I had contacted Patrick about shoulder and neck pain on my non
> Riv bike asking for recommendations on what changes I could make on it.
> Saddle and handlebars are about the same height.  His suggestion once he
> saw picture of the bike setup was to move the saddle back.  I don't know
> the right terminology, but just as the seat is "behind" the peddles on the
> OM-1 pictured above, my seat wasn't.  I changed the saddle to one with
> longer rails and moved it to the most back position.  This removed most of
> my pain and I felt more balanced on the bike.  It's almost perfect.  In
> fact, it is so good, that I'm thinking about getting a Selle Anatomica
> saddle because I heard that because it has longer rails I can move the seat
> back even more.   Thank you Patrick!
>
> Roberta
>
> On Saturday, December 9, 2017 at 1:42:48 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Several people have described this experience on the list. I've found, as
>> have others, that sometimes you relieve, not only your seat, but your
>> shoulders, arms, and hands by moving the saddle back to get more of an
>> angle between hip and pedals, and let your torso muscles hold more of your
>> torso's weight.
>>
>> This happens not only with drops but with bars of all sorts, IME.
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Re: [RBW] Found Upright riding worse than drops riding.

[REC]

Off list I had contacted Patrick about shoulder and neck pain on my non Riv 
bike asking for recommendations on what changes I could make on it.  Saddle 
and handlebars are about the same height.  His suggestion once he saw 
picture of the bike setup was to move the saddle back.  I don't know the 
right terminology, but just as the seat is "behind" the peddles on the OM-1 
pictured above, my seat wasn't.  I changed the saddle to one with longer 
rails and moved it to the most back position.  This removed most of my pain 
and I felt more balanced on the bike.  It's almost perfect.  In fact, it is 
so good, that I'm thinking about getting a Selle Anatomica saddle because I 
heard that because it has longer rails I can move the seat back even 
more.   Thank you Patrick!

Roberta

On Saturday, December 9, 2017 at 1:42:48 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:

> Several people have described this experience on the list. I've found, as 
> have others, that sometimes you relieve, not only your seat, but your 
> shoulders, arms, and hands by moving the saddle back to get more of an 
> angle between hip and pedals, and let your torso muscles hold more of your 
> torso's weight. 
>
> This happens not only with drops but with bars of all sorts, IME.
>
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Re: [RBW] Found Upright riding worse than drops riding.

[Patrick Moore]

A funny anecdote. (Well, funny to me, but probably very dreary to anyone
else, but who cares.) When I had my 2 later customs made, Grant gently
suggested 72* stas. For reasons I can't now remember, I insisted on 73*
parallel, and Grant graciously accommodated my stubbornness.

A few years later, as I was using a rubber mallet to pound my saddles (long
rail Flites, on large-setback DA 7410 seatposts) as far back as they could
physically go, I recalled this and wept.

On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 2:00 PM, Craig Montgomery 
wrote:

> I think that's why I'm so comfortable on my '38 Bates with a 70 degree
> seat tube angle.
>
> Craig in Tucson
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Re: [RBW] Found Upright riding worse than drops riding.

[Craig Montgomery]

I think that's why I'm so comfortable on my '38 Bates with a 70 degree seat 
tube angle. 

Craig in Tucson

On Saturday, December 9, 2017 at 11:42:48 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Several people have described this experience on the list. I've found, as 
> have others, that sometimes you relieve, not only your seat, but your 
> shoulders, arms, and hands by moving the saddle back to get more of an 
> angle between hip and pedals, and let your torso muscles hold more of your 
> torso's weight. 
>
> This happens not only with drops but with bars of all sorts, IME.
>
> On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 8:23 AM, lum gim fong  > wrote:
>
>> So I converted the Bleriot to upright so I could ride wifespeeds without 
>> hand discomfort  that comes with riding that slow for an entire ride on 
>> drops.
>>
>>  What I have found, in riding upright,  is that the discomfort of the 
>> hands is reduced 75% and the butt discomfort 100% increase ( which was 
>> nonexistent when I rode with drops) makes me want to just go back to drops. 
>> I am more comfortable riding at wifespeed (and all other speeds) with 
>> drops, turns out. No matter the bar heights or saddles.
>>
>> Also, headwinds are noticably more noticeable and wintry blasts harder to 
>> endure while upright.
>>
>> I don't think I have never heard of someone on this list, or from Walnut 
>> Creek finding uprighting to be less comfortable than dropsing. So I thought 
>> I'd include it as a datapoint here.
>>
>> Has anyone here also found upriding to not be their cup of tea?
>>
>> I will say though that upriding provides fantastic views.
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Found Upright riding worse than drops riding.

[Lee Legrand]

What about recumbent bicycle?  It puts you in a position in which it should
(at least I think it should) remove the stress from arms and buttocks that
a typical bicycle puts you in.  It may not the coolest looking way of
cycling but I think it should be an option for aging cyclist who can no
longer be in the bent position of road drops or be upright due to back or
buttock pains.

On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 1:42 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Several people have described this experience on the list. I've found, as
> have others, that sometimes you relieve, not only your seat, but your
> shoulders, arms, and hands by moving the saddle back to get more of an
> angle between hip and pedals, and let your torso muscles hold more of your
> torso's weight.
>
> This happens not only with drops but with bars of all sorts, IME.
>
> On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 8:23 AM, lum gim fong 
> wrote:
>
>> So I converted the Bleriot to upright so I could ride wifespeeds without
>> hand discomfort  that comes with riding that slow for an entire ride on
>> drops.
>>
>>  What I have found, in riding upright,  is that the discomfort of the
>> hands is reduced 75% and the butt discomfort 100% increase ( which was
>> nonexistent when I rode with drops) makes me want to just go back to drops.
>> I am more comfortable riding at wifespeed (and all other speeds) with
>> drops, turns out. No matter the bar heights or saddles.
>>
>> Also, headwinds are noticably more noticeable and wintry blasts harder to
>> endure while upright.
>>
>> I don't think I have never heard of someone on this list, or from Walnut
>> Creek finding uprighting to be less comfortable than dropsing. So I thought
>> I'd include it as a datapoint here.
>>
>> Has anyone here also found upriding to not be their cup of tea?
>>
>> I will say though that upriding provides fantastic views.
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Found Upright riding worse than drops riding.

[Patrick Moore]

Several people have described this experience on the list. I've found, as
have others, that sometimes you relieve, not only your seat, but your
shoulders, arms, and hands by moving the saddle back to get more of an
angle between hip and pedals, and let your torso muscles hold more of your
torso's weight.

This happens not only with drops but with bars of all sorts, IME.

On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 8:23 AM, lum gim fong  wrote:

> So I converted the Bleriot to upright so I could ride wifespeeds without
> hand discomfort  that comes with riding that slow for an entire ride on
> drops.
>
>  What I have found, in riding upright,  is that the discomfort of the
> hands is reduced 75% and the butt discomfort 100% increase ( which was
> nonexistent when I rode with drops) makes me want to just go back to drops.
> I am more comfortable riding at wifespeed (and all other speeds) with
> drops, turns out. No matter the bar heights or saddles.
>
> Also, headwinds are noticably more noticeable and wintry blasts harder to
> endure while upright.
>
> I don't think I have never heard of someone on this list, or from Walnut
> Creek finding uprighting to be less comfortable than dropsing. So I thought
> I'd include it as a datapoint here.
>
> Has anyone here also found upriding to not be their cup of tea?
>
> I will say though that upriding provides fantastic views.
>
>
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[RBW] Found Upright riding worse than drops riding.

[Bill Schairer]

I agree.  I bought a used Atlantis with Albastache bars with intention of 
changing out to drops immediately.  Decided to give the Albastaches a chance.  
They started to grow on me but, many adjustments later, they stopped growing 
and I ditched them for drops.  I gave the Albastaches nearly 1000 miles before 
I gave up, though I had lowered them several time fairly quickly so I wasn’t 
necessarily upright for very long.  In any event, my butt needs a rest long 
before my hands do.  Upright does nothing for me.

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[RBW] Found Upright riding worse than drops riding.

[Surlyprof]

I found the same thing when I shifted from albastache to albatross due to a 
shoulder injury.  After trying out several different saddles, I found that a 
Brooks Flyer Special did the trick.  It doesn't bounce a lot which is nice.  
Just enough to remove the discomfort.  My only complaints are that it does 
creak a little while riding and they don't make an Imperial Flyer in honey 
leather.

John

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Re: [RBW] Found Upright riding worse than drops riding.

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Well, yeah. 40 miles I imagine I might get fatigued a bit on uprights as 
well. But I've never done 40 miles on upright bars. For me, uprights have a 
naturally imposed range of about half that, and most of the trips are under 
10 miles. I know there are folks on the list who ride exclusively on 
uprights, and probably do 40-100 mile rides on them. I guess if/when I 
can't ride drops any more, I'll ride longer with uprights. But right now, 
for me, they cover two distinct duties. Also, after being on several 
bike-related lists over many years, I have come to appreciate my body's 
tolerances for a fairly wide variety of setups on bicycles. Spicey! Plus, I 
figure I'm not on my couch, I'm out on a machine moving body parts--a 
little stiffness or slight discomfort now and then, especially on 40+ mile 
rides, is part of the territory. ("Massively fatigued" is obviously another 
league, and presumably should not be ignored.) 

I would second that you don't always just switch out bars and go. There are 
a few other variables. And for really upright, like my Clementine with 
Boscos, I like a wider saddle for sure.

On Saturday, December 9, 2017 at 7:55:17 AM UTC-8, lum gim fong wrote:
>
> Interesting you say 40 miles, Steve. It was at that distance that I 
> noticed my hands getting massively fatigued (Sam/Albas/Tallux max 
> height/max aft). And that was when riding solo at my own pace. Cork grips 
> are hard as rocks. That's when I found that out. But I don't think it was 
> really the grips. Because I would get marks in my hands from upright riding 
> and I could always feel the pressure on my hands at any bar height with 
> uprights.
>
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Re: [RBW] Found Upright riding worse than drops riding.

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I was uncomfortable on upright bars until I traded up to a bigger frame.  I'm 
not sure about all the mechanics of it but I kept trying to get my bars more up 
and closer to be more comfortable but getting the right balance is the 
important thing.  Being balanced between saddle and bars.  

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Re: [RBW] Found Upright riding worse than drops riding.

[Lee Legrand]

Hi Steve,

I do not know what set up will do that but maybe he should perform
experiments on different drop bars or mustache type bars which have smaller
drops than typical road drop bars.  It is just a suggestion for him to
explore.  SOMAFAB has mustache type bars for him to explore that do not
have the typical drops.

On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 11:48 AM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

>
>
> On 12/09/2017 10:55 AM, lum gim fong wrote:
>
>> Interesting you say 40 miles, Steve. It was at that distance that I
>> noticed my hands getting massively fatigued (Sam/Albas/Tallux max
>> height/max aft). And that was when riding solo at my own pace. Cork grips
>> are hard as rocks. That's when I found that out. But I don't think it was
>> really the grips. Because I would get marks in my hands from upright riding
>> and I could always feel the pressure on my hands at any bar height with
>> uprights.
>>
>
> Exactly.
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Re: [RBW] Found Upright riding worse than drops riding.

[Steve Palincsar]

On 12/09/2017 10:55 AM, lum gim fong wrote:

Interesting you say 40 miles, Steve. It was at that distance that I noticed my 
hands getting massively fatigued (Sam/Albas/Tallux max height/max aft). And 
that was when riding solo at my own pace. Cork grips are hard as rocks. That's 
when I found that out. But I don't think it was really the grips. Because I 
would get marks in my hands from upright riding and I could always feel the 
pressure on my hands at any bar height with uprights.


Exactly.

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Re: [RBW] Found Upright riding worse than drops riding.

[Steve Palincsar]

On 12/09/2017 11:29 AM, Lee Legrand wrote:

Hi Lum,

Have you thought about getting a set up that allows you to go from one 
extent to another?  Another way of saying is, can you get a bicycle 
setup in which you can ride upright for the most part and when you 
butt feet uncomfortable, you can get down more to relieve the stress?  
Then you oscillate between the two positions of aching butt and aching 
hands?





Which is exactly what well-set up drop bars lets you do

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Re: [RBW] Found Upright riding worse than drops riding.

[Lee Legrand]

Hi Lum,

Have you thought about getting a set up that allows you to go from one
extent to another?  Another way of saying is, can you get a bicycle setup
in which you can ride upright for the most part and when you butt feet
uncomfortable, you can get down more to relieve the stress?  Then you
oscillate between the two positions of aching butt and aching hands?

On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 11:19 AM, Justin, Oakland 
wrote:

> I have found a few things to be true:
> - Upright doesn’t have to mean Albatross bars at max height. I’m upright
> with my MAP bars which allow my wrists to bend somewhat similarly to hoods.
> - Saddles tend to need be differently shaped/positioned to ride in
> different postures.
> - Geometry of a bike can make it not great for different people riding in
> different positions. My Bleriot was always drop bars or Jitensha bars.
> - I kind of hate Albatross bars too. Riding them isn’t a fun for me but
> actually can be terrifying based on how they are set up.
>
> -Justin
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Re: [RBW] Found Upright riding worse than drops riding.

[Justin, Oakland]

I have found a few things to be true:
- Upright doesn’t have to mean Albatross bars at max height. I’m upright with 
my MAP bars which allow my wrists to bend somewhat similarly to hoods.
- Saddles tend to need be differently shaped/positioned to ride in different 
postures.
- Geometry of a bike can make it not great for different people riding in 
different positions. My Bleriot was always drop bars or Jitensha bars.
- I kind of hate Albatross bars too. Riding them isn’t a fun for me but 
actually can be terrifying based on how they are set up. 

-Justin

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Re: [RBW] Found Upright riding worse than drops riding.

[George Schick]

I concur with the comments here about upright being less comfortable than 
drops.  I have drops on my two road bikes and uprights on my two MTB's - 
one has standard straight MTB bars, the other has "cow horn" bars.  I had 
change up the saddle and bar heights just to get somewhere near comfortable 
on those.

I'm a bit confused by the "...hand discomfort  that comes with riding that 
slow for an entire ride on drops..."  Can't you ride 90% of the time with 
your hands on the brake levers?  And the brake levers can be moved around 
to get the most comfortable position for the hand/reach.  I've never 
experienced much discomfort riding long distances with hands on or near the 
brake levers most of the time.

On Saturday, December 9, 2017 at 9:48:00 AM UTC-6, lum gim fong wrote:
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> @listers: 
>
> TW: "wifespeeds"  refers to the joyful riding I do with my wife when she 
> wants to go riding and I go along with her. We have spent many years riding 
> together. Her average speed is about 10 miles an hour. So the term is just 
> my playful way of referring to that riding experience. Definitely not a 
> term in reference to any other riders. 
>
> Most Women make me look like I am going in reverse as they pass me. 

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Re: [RBW] Found Upright riding worse than drops riding.

[lum gim fong]

Interesting you say 40 miles, Steve. It was at that distance that I noticed my 
hands getting massively fatigued (Sam/Albas/Tallux max height/max aft). And 
that was when riding solo at my own pace. Cork grips are hard as rocks. That's 
when I found that out. But I don't think it was really the grips. Because I 
would get marks in my hands from upright riding and I could always feel the 
pressure on my hands at any bar height with uprights.

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Re: [RBW] Found Upright riding worse than drops riding.

[lum gim fong]

@listers:

TW: "wifespeeds"  refers to the joyful riding I do with my wife when she wants 
to go riding and I go along with her. We have spent many years riding together. 
Her average speed is about 10 miles an hour. So the term is just my playful way 
of referring to that riding experience. Definitely not a term in reference to 
any other riders.

Most Women make me look like I am going in reverse as they pass me. 

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Re: [RBW] Found Upright riding worse than drops riding.

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On 12/09/2017 10:23 AM, lum gim fong wrote:

So I converted the Bleriot to upright so I could ride wifespeeds without hand 
discomfort  that comes with riding that slow for an entire ride on drops.

  What I have found, in riding upright,  is that the discomfort of the hands is 
reduced 75% and the butt discomfort 100% increase ( which was nonexistent when 
I rode with drops) makes me want to just go back to drops. I am more 
comfortable riding at wifespeed (and all other speeds) with drops, turns out. 
No matter the bar heights or saddles.

Also, headwinds are noticably more noticeable and wintry blasts harder to 
endure while upright.

I don't think I have never heard of someone on this list, or from Walnut Creek 
finding uprighting to be less comfortable than dropsing. So I thought I'd 
include it as a datapoint here.


Here's another datapoint to add to yours.  "Upright" == painful hands, 
sometimes in as short a distance as 5 miles, but under the best of 
circumstances never any longer than 40.  Drops are comfortable >= 100 miles.






Has anyone here also found upriding to not be their cup of tea?


You bet.  Not my cup of tea at all.


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Re: [RBW] Found Upright riding worse than drops riding.

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Thanks for the feedback.

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Re: [RBW] Found Upright riding worse than drops riding.

[Steven Sweedler]

Lum, I am another who only rides drops, my bikes have 48 Noodles. I set up
an in town bike with North Road bars and never felt especially secure at
any speed. Steve
Plymouth, NH

On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 10:23 AM lum gim fong  wrote:

> So I converted the Bleriot to upright so I could ride wifespeeds without
> hand discomfort  that comes with riding that slow for an entire ride on
> drops.
>
>  What I have found, in riding upright,  is that the discomfort of the
> hands is reduced 75% and the butt discomfort 100% increase ( which was
> nonexistent when I rode with drops) makes me want to just go back to drops.
> I am more comfortable riding at wifespeed (and all other speeds) with
> drops, turns out. No matter the bar heights or saddles.
>
> Also, headwinds are noticably more noticeable and wintry blasts harder to
> endure while upright.
>
> I don't think I have never heard of someone on this list, or from Walnut
> Creek finding uprighting to be less comfortable than dropsing. So I thought
> I'd include it as a datapoint here.
>
> Has anyone here also found upriding to not be their cup of tea?
>
> I will say though that upriding provides fantastic views.
>
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[RBW] Found Upright riding worse than drops riding.

[lum gim fong]

So I converted the Bleriot to upright so I could ride wifespeeds without hand 
discomfort  that comes with riding that slow for an entire ride on drops. 

 What I have found, in riding upright,  is that the discomfort of the hands is 
reduced 75% and the butt discomfort 100% increase ( which was nonexistent when 
I rode with drops) makes me want to just go back to drops. I am more 
comfortable riding at wifespeed (and all other speeds) with drops, turns out. 
No matter the bar heights or saddles.

Also, headwinds are noticably more noticeable and wintry blasts harder to 
endure while upright.

I don't think I have never heard of someone on this list, or from Walnut Creek 
finding uprighting to be less comfortable than dropsing. So I thought I'd 
include it as a datapoint here.

Has anyone here also found upriding to not be their cup of tea?

I will say though that upriding provides fantastic views.



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