[RBW] Lower price Atlantis!

2018-03-22 Thread Scott McLain
I would be interested in learning what drove the decision on the bottom bracket 
shell/ lug whatever.  Fillet brazed doesn’t sound as good as lugged.  

I think it is super cool that Grant pops in and out of the forum to shed light 
on the why.  Since he has given us the “mic drop”, can anyone else shed light 
on why they would change the bottom bracket.  Seams like it is the most 
important spot on the bike frame.

I agree you can’t improve if you don’t change.  I also think it is okay to be 
nice to Grant, or we could all be riding Aluminum.

Scott 

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[RBW] Lower price Atlantis!

2018-03-21 Thread Bill Lindsay
Nobody has latched onto nor commenced to wring hands over the truly divisive 
design element: the NEW downtube decal. 

A sharp observer on Instagram noticed that the new downtube decal has boat 
anchors down the under side of the downtube, which I think is sensational. It 
ties in with the nautical theme AND thumbs noses at the whiners who say all 
Rivs are ‘boat anchors’. 

Hopefully the downtube decal simply adds convenience for differentiating 
Waterford and Toyo bikes from Maxway bikes   

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito Ca. 

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Re: [RBW] Lower price Atlantis!

2018-03-19 Thread James Warren
This is great news! I was just thinking yesterday that the Atlantis, with its large price tag Waterford construction, had moved to a state that had gotten away from its original mission - more affordable all-rounder. Now I realize that it's almost 19 years since the original creation of the model, and yes, things change: incrementally over the years, the factors that have pushed the Atlantis frame to $2700 all make sense. But despite all that, I'm glad that the company recognizes the importance of a more moderately priced awesome all-rounder, and that the Atlantis deserves that distinction (even though Hillborne and Appaloosa cover that duty well also.) And to me, I don't see this as sad that the Atlantis is changing. It already has changed, or at least circumstances surrounding it have changed - the current price of $2700 is a strong indication of those changes.- Jim W.-Original Message-
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Subject: [RBW] Lower price Atlantis!

The BLUG today announced an upcoming pre-sale for a less expensive Atlantis.  No doubt they will be made in Taiwan.  The pricing hint is "a tad more than an Appaloosa".  Is it good that Rivendell is evolving?  I say yes.  Is it a little sad that the Atlantis is changing?  I say sure, a little.  I'd bet a dollar that some of their recent cashflow worries came from the financials around this change.  Made to order frames are expensive but cost you nothing until somebody wants to buy one.  Taiwan builds have to be done in expensive pre-paid runs, which require a bunch of cash on hand.  The curved double TT of the biggest size was on instagram I think.  Bill LindsayEl Cerrito, CA 



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[RBW] Lower price Atlantis!

2018-03-19 Thread Joe Bernard
Interesting. A short while back I alluded to the idea that Riv seemed headed 
out of the Waterford-frames business in favor of the Taiwan stuff people will 
actually pay for, and don't require a long might-change-my-mind wait. I think 
the Taiwan shop does immaculate work, and I like being able to afford them. I'm 
all in!

Joe Bernard

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[RBW] Lower price Atlantis!

2018-03-19 Thread Bill Lindsay
The BLUG today announced an upcoming pre-sale for a less expensive 
Atlantis.  No doubt they will be made in Taiwan.  The pricing hint is "a 
tad more than an Appaloosa".  Is it good that Rivendell is evolving?  I say 
yes.  Is it a little sad that the Atlantis is changing?  I say sure, a 
little.  I'd bet a dollar that some of their recent cashflow worries came 
from the financials around this change.  Made to order frames are expensive 
but cost you nothing until somebody wants to buy one.  Taiwan builds have 
to be done in expensive pre-paid runs, which require a bunch of cash on 
hand.  

The curved double TT of the biggest size was on instagram I think.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA 

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