Re: [RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary Riv

[Joe Bernard]

Oh, I meant the wait bums me out. I guess that wasn't clear. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary Riv

[Philip Williamson]

I think a "26th Anniversary" Rivendell is quirky enough. I like it. 
It makes me laugh, like "Ever Since 1994" did in 1995. 


Philip
Santa Rosa, CA  


On Monday, February 25, 2019 at 1:57:27 PM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:
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> Well it's a 26th Anniversary Riv if it ever happens at all now, which 
> kinda bums me out. Leah had questioned if the timeframe was too tight, and 
> she was right. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary Riv

['Abcyclehank' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I am not bummed at all.  25, 26, 27 it takes time to do something right.  Go 
Grant go.  26th special edition Riv. Mixte covering the gamet of sizes is 
something I will sign up and throw my money towards.  Would love something I 
could use the heck out of and pass down to a tall grandchild 26 years or so 
from now. Physical  family heirloom to pass on in addition to the values and 
morals, appreciation of the world, freedom and exploration, being childlike, 
and being true to oneself.

Sincerely,
Ryan Hankinson
West Michigan

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Re: [RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary Riv

[Joe Bernard]

Well it's a 26th Anniversary Riv if it ever happens at all now, which kinda 
bums me out. Leah had questioned if the timeframe was too tight, and she was 
right. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary Riv

[Jonathan D.]

I vote for an anniversary bike in Nitto Blue with special edition Nitto Bars. 
Seems fitting for Rivendell to partner with Nitto. Perhaps a special edition 
anniversary bag as well. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary Riv

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Erl,

Adorable - your son and the bike! So good to see the next generation on 
Rivendells. Thanks for jumping in and sharing his bike with us. Love that red 
paint!

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Re: [RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary Riv

[tc]

THAT...is the red my wife drools over.  Ever since it was posted on Rivs site, 
she’s said she definitely wants a bike that color eventually. 

Your son is a lucky young man!

Tom

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Re: [RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary Riv

[REC (Roberta)]

Your son and the bike look great together!   I wanted to buy that bike 
because I loved the color so much (and it had the lift tube) but one of the 
guys at RBW talked me out of it because the size or geometry or something 
wasn't right for me.  I hope your son loves riding it.

Roberta 

On Sunday, February 10, 2019 at 9:25:47 AM UTC-5, WETH wrote:
>
> (Apologies to those on email, but I seem to keep deleting my posts after 
> posting them. Not sure what bus going on.) 
> Leah, 
> That’s an almost perfect wish list; I’d buy one! 
>
> Roberta, 
> My younger son rides that red Rosco and it looks even better in person! 
> https://flic.kr/p/29q4vKV 
>
> All the best, 
> Erl

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Re: [RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary Riv

[Garth]

  When I think of sparkling red paint that turns heads . SCREAMING 
RE ! .  I think of a liquid candied red with oodles of depth that 
really POPS OUT at you in the Sun !  

Otherwise  we aren't talking "screaming" ... like Lightning on 2 wheels 
. but yawning-ho-hum-time-for-a-nappie. 

Something in the ballpark of this : 
https://www.thepowdercoatstore.com/products/candy-red-powder-coat









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>
>
> 5. The thing I really, really, really want: Sparkly red paint with cream 
> accents and the Rivendell head badge. You know the kind of red that stops 
> you in your tracks, turns heads, convinces you you’re 16 and makes people 
> let out a long, low whistle? THAT red. 
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary Riv

[RichS]

Davin,

This has been a fun thread with lots of beautiful bikes and inspiring 
ideas. Would you be able to post a pic or two of your Albatross bar 
Roadini? I think Joe B's Roadini is the only one I've seen on the list that 
did not have drop bars. 

Thank you very much!

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Saturday, February 9, 2019 at 11:53:48 AM UTC-5, Davin Dahl wrote:
>
> I've got a 57 Roadini with the Albatross. It's such a great bike. I 
> commute on it and take roadish rides. I started with drop bars but prefer 
> the current bars by a mile. I have 35mm Gravel King SK's set up tubeless. 
> It rolls like butter. Go for it!
>
> On Tuesday, February 5, 2019 at 6:33:58 PM UTC-7, John Bokman wrote:
>>
>> Can't find info on how big a tire the Roadini can fit? Especially with 
>> fenders (I know some offer more clearance than others)?
>> A roadini with 35mm tires and center pull brakes is making me think hard 
>> about a 57Maybe albastache bars
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 5, 2019 at 3:55:24 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>> If you build up your Atlantis not-heavy, it won't be heavy-built.  My 
>>> 56cm 650B Atlantis is under 30 pounds with heavy saddle and seatpost, with 
>>> heavy rims, tubes and tires, with heavy stem and hubs, with a pump, front 
>>> rack and a Wald basket, and with a double chainring and front derailer.  If 
>>> I had wanted to build it light, I could easily save a pound off the seat 
>>> and seatpost, three pounds from the wheelset, a pound with a 1x drivetrain, 
>>> and two pounds with no front rack and basket.  Is 23 pounds still too 
>>> heavy?  Even at 29 pounds it's a deligthful bike.  
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 4, 2019 at 9:17:43 PM UTC-8, Ash wrote:

 Legolas that takes 50mm 650 tires 
>

 A not-heavy-built bike that can take 50mm tires?  COUNT ME IN !! 


 On Sunday, 3 February 2019 13:44:04 UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Now that I do like.
>
> On Sat, Feb 2, 2019 at 10:07 PM Ray Varella  
> wrote:
>
>> I suspect something like a Legolas that takes 50mm 650 tires would 
>> attract a fair amount of attention. 
>>
>> A bit pared down in stoutness from the current allrounders. 
>> A refresh of the original allrounder/XO-1 
>>
>> I’m pretty sure I’d buy one. 
>>
>> Ray
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Re: [RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary Riv

[WETH]

(Apologies to those on email, but I seem to keep deleting my posts after 
posting them. Not sure what bus going on.)
Leah,
That’s an almost perfect wish list; I’d buy one!

Roberta,
My younger son rides that red Rosco and it looks even better in person!
https://flic.kr/p/29q4vKV

All the best,
Erl

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Re: [RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary Riv

[Fullylugged]

Leah:

 here is the link to the nice red Saluki;

  http://cyclofiend.com/cc/2006/cc081-johnprice0206.html

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Re: [RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary Riv

[Leah Peterson]

Oh Tom, I thought no one would ever ask! Actually, caveat: This is all in fun. 
I don’t want to be telling Grant/Rivendell what to do. Whatever they do will be 
good, clean, fun and I am so excited to finally know what it will be. I love my 
bike, I love their bikes, and I am a novice who knows NOTHING. But if I was 
going to make a Mixte Wish List, here are my respectful and non-bossy thoughts:

1. Fancy Rivendell lugs. I love them - like the ones they put on customs. They 
are traditional Rivendell and fitting for an anniversary model. The lugs are 
the nod to Rivendell’s beginnings and the evolved geometry is where Rivendell 
is now - a summary of 25 years. The the decal can read “One Bike To Rule Them 
All.” Or “My Precious” if the former is too lengthy. Or some clever Tolkien 
reference...

2. A lower top tube. The TT is not actually that low on the Betz, and I’d 
prefer it lower for my golden years. If it was swoopy like the Clementine, 
that’s good, too.

3. Take wider tires. Like the Clementine.

4. I want the brake cables strung on the underside of the tubes. I have a nasty 
mark where the cable has been mashed into my paint job by the arm of my vehicle 
bike rack. It’s an eyesore I see every darn day.

5. The thing I really, really, really want: Sparkly red paint with cream 
accents and the Rivendell head badge. You know the kind of red that stops you 
in your tracks, turns heads, convinces you you’re 16 and makes people let out a 
long, low whistle? THAT red. 

I reserve the right to add on later! Does anyone else have these on their wish 
lists?

So fun and thanks for asking, Tom! If your wife won’t give you your Valentine’s 
bike, maybe you should get an anniversary bike instead. Ha!
Leah

Sent from my iPad

> On Feb 9, 2019, at 8:06 PM, tc  wrote:
> 
> Leah,
> I think you, as much as anyone here KNOWS the Betty.  If the 25th Anniversary 
> bike will be a mixte, and given the Cheviot is alive and well, what would 
> your mixte design points be that aren't already covered by your Betty?  Or a 
> Cheviot?  Or, is your passion based on simply wanting another, different, 
> "it's Tuesday, I feel like riding X instead of Y" frame design (like many 
> here, including me!).  I think your perspective would be great.  Especially 
> given I have that dang "Sam Blue" Cheviot of my wife's, starting at me from 
> its shipping box...and I dream of sticking some Rock n' Roads or fatter tars 
> on it and zipping away :)
> 
> Tom
> 
>> On Sunday, February 3, 2019 at 12:02:47 PM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
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>> There are so many diamond frames in the lineup and in RBW history that I'm 
>> pulling for Grant's mixte anniversary bike. Anniversary is celebrating 
>> history/longevity and looking forward to the future, adding some romance, 
>> and to me that screams MIXTE. That's the bike that has carried me from the 
>> kid-pulling years and hopefully through old age. I am really excited to see 
>> what creativity Grant would put into this bike.
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Re: [RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary Riv

[tc]

Leah,
I think you, as much as anyone here KNOWS the Betty.  If the 25th 
Anniversary bike will be a mixte, and given the Cheviot is alive and well, 
what would *your *mixte design points be that aren't already covered by 
your Betty?  Or a Cheviot?  Or, is your passion based on simply wanting 
another, different, "it's Tuesday, I feel like riding X instead of Y" frame 
design (like many here, including me!).  I think your perspective would be 
great.  Especially given I have that dang "Sam Blue" Cheviot of my wife's, 
starting at me from its shipping box...and I dream of sticking some Rock n' 
Roads or fatter tars on it and zipping away :)

Tom

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> There are so many diamond frames in the lineup and in RBW history that I'm 
> pulling for Grant's mixte anniversary bike. Anniversary is celebrating 
> history/longevity and looking forward to the future, adding some romance, 
> and to me that screams MIXTE. That's the bike that has carried me from the 
> kid-pulling years and hopefully through old age. I am really excited to see 
> what creativity Grant would put into this bike. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary Riv

[Davin Dahl]

I've got a 57 Roadini with the Albatross. It's such a great bike. I commute 
on it and take roadish rides. I started with drop bars but prefer the 
current bars by a mile. I have 35mm Gravel King SK's set up tubeless. It 
rolls like butter. Go for it!

On Tuesday, February 5, 2019 at 6:33:58 PM UTC-7, John Bokman wrote:
>
> Can't find info on how big a tire the Roadini can fit? Especially with 
> fenders (I know some offer more clearance than others)?
> A roadini with 35mm tires and center pull brakes is making me think hard 
> about a 57Maybe albastache bars
>
> On Tuesday, February 5, 2019 at 3:55:24 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> If you build up your Atlantis not-heavy, it won't be heavy-built.  My 
>> 56cm 650B Atlantis is under 30 pounds with heavy saddle and seatpost, with 
>> heavy rims, tubes and tires, with heavy stem and hubs, with a pump, front 
>> rack and a Wald basket, and with a double chainring and front derailer.  If 
>> I had wanted to build it light, I could easily save a pound off the seat 
>> and seatpost, three pounds from the wheelset, a pound with a 1x drivetrain, 
>> and two pounds with no front rack and basket.  Is 23 pounds still too 
>> heavy?  Even at 29 pounds it's a deligthful bike.  
>>
>> On Monday, February 4, 2019 at 9:17:43 PM UTC-8, Ash wrote:
>>>
>>> Legolas that takes 50mm 650 tires 

>>>
>>> A not-heavy-built bike that can take 50mm tires?  COUNT ME IN !! 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, 3 February 2019 13:44:04 UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:

 Now that I do like.

 On Sat, Feb 2, 2019 at 10:07 PM Ray Varella  
 wrote:

> I suspect something like a Legolas that takes 50mm 650 tires would 
> attract a fair amount of attention. 
>
> A bit pared down in stoutness from the current allrounders. 
> A refresh of the original allrounder/XO-1 
>
> I’m pretty sure I’d buy one. 
>
> Ray
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Re: [RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary Riv

[tc]

Bill, unfortunately not with the Paul Medium Racers and Bon Jon’s. There’s only 
2.5-3mm between front tire top and brake arm bottom as measured on my Roadini.  
Side clearance is limited by the inside fork before the brake arm would become 
an issue.  


Tom



 

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Re: [RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary Riv

[William R.]

John,

I think there’s a good chance that Bon Jons and fenders will work on the 
Roadini. Brake choice will be important and some finagling may be necessary. If 
you go forward with this project, please post the results. Thanks. 

-Bill

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Re: [RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary Riv

['Abcyclehank' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Sure excited to see tire clearance on whatever Grant’s special anniversary 
Mixte might have.  I would 100% buy one for sure if one of the 4 sizes does not 
fit me.  I will get one for my wife, future daughter in law, or a future wife 
or girlfriend if neither of the first two want some Rivendell Magic.  
Actually that last part was made up.  The third candidate would be upgrading my 
adult daughter’s 59cm customized Clementine.

Ryan Hankinson
West Michigan

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Re: [RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary Riv

[John Bokman]

Bill, that looks very nice.
I was hoping to run Bon Jons with fenders and the Diacompe centerpull 
brakes. Not sure if I'd be able to do so, but I sure am tempted to try! If 
I could not run the Bon Jons, I could, perhaps, go to a Jack Brown Green, 
which I've really enjoyed - except that they don't last very long for me.



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>
> 38s will fit on the Roadini with a Paul Racer on the front. Barlow Pass 
> shown in photo. I would like to see if the Diacompe 610s might offer a 
> little more clearance but have not had the chance to try them yet. If they 
> do I might feel bold enough to throw some Steilacooms on. In photos on the 
> Riv site, it looks the 610s might offer up a bit more clearance. As is, 
> I've been riding the bike like this with the Barlows and I've had zero 
> problems and it feels great.
>
> Bill in Westchester, NY
>
> [image: IMG_6029.jpeg]
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary Riv

[William R.]

38s will fit on the Roadini with a Paul Racer on the front. Barlow Pass 
shown in photo. I would like to see if the Diacompe 610s might offer a 
little more clearance but have not had the chance to try them yet. If they 
do I might feel bold enough to throw some Steilacooms on. In photos on the 
Riv site, it looks the 610s might offer up a bit more clearance. As is, 
I've been riding the bike like this with the Barlows and I've had zero 
problems and it feels great.

Bill in Westchester, NY

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Re: [RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary Riv

[tc]

I have a 61 Roadini running 35s (Jon Bon Pass) without fenders, using Paul 
medium racers. That’s the biggest I would attempt, though I think someone on 
this list managed to squeeze 38s with some contortions and magic. 

Max tire per Riv is 35. 

Tom

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Re: [RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary Riv

[John Bokman]

Thanks Jeff.

On Tuesday, February 5, 2019 at 5:57:01 PM UTC-8, sameness wrote:
>
> The catalog 
> 
>  
> says 28s with fenders, 35s without:
>
> [image: ROADINI-clearance-020519.JPG]
>
>
> Jeff Hagedorn
> Los Angeles, CA USA
>
> On Tuesday, February 5, 2019 at 5:33:58 PM UTC-8, John Bokman wrote:
>>
>> Can't find info on how big a tire the Roadini can fit? Especially with 
>> fenders (I know some offer more clearance than others)?
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary Riv

[John G.]

Man, I am worn out by the “bike xyz is overbuilt” conversation. It feels like 
people have completely lost sight of other things that make a bike delightful 
to ride. My Atlantis was around 29 pounds and a bit heavy on climbs, but its 
handling and manners couldn’t be beat. Sure, I was about 1 mph slower on it 
than my other bikes, but holy moly that matters way less than feeling good on a 
long ride.

I miss that bike. Wish I had never sold it. Was foolishly chasing down the 
“rides light” phantom.

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Re: [RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary Riv

[sameness]

The catalog 

 
says 28s with fenders, 35s without:

[image: ROADINI-clearance-020519.JPG]


Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

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>
> Can't find info on how big a tire the Roadini can fit? Especially with 
> fenders (I know some offer more clearance than others)?
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Re: [RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary Riv

[John Bokman]

Can't find info on how big a tire the Roadini can fit? Especially with 
fenders (I know some offer more clearance than others)?
A roadini with 35mm tires and center pull brakes is making me think hard 
about a 57Maybe albastache bars

On Tuesday, February 5, 2019 at 3:55:24 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> If you build up your Atlantis not-heavy, it won't be heavy-built.  My 56cm 
> 650B Atlantis is under 30 pounds with heavy saddle and seatpost, with heavy 
> rims, tubes and tires, with heavy stem and hubs, with a pump, front rack 
> and a Wald basket, and with a double chainring and front derailer.  If I 
> had wanted to build it light, I could easily save a pound off the seat and 
> seatpost, three pounds from the wheelset, a pound with a 1x drivetrain, and 
> two pounds with no front rack and basket.  Is 23 pounds still too heavy?  
> Even at 29 pounds it's a deligthful bike.  
>
> On Monday, February 4, 2019 at 9:17:43 PM UTC-8, Ash wrote:
>>
>> Legolas that takes 50mm 650 tires 
>>>
>>
>> A not-heavy-built bike that can take 50mm tires?  COUNT ME IN !! 
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, 3 February 2019 13:44:04 UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> Now that I do like.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 2, 2019 at 10:07 PM Ray Varella  wrote:
>>>
 I suspect something like a Legolas that takes 50mm 650 tires would 
 attract a fair amount of attention. 

 A bit pared down in stoutness from the current allrounders. 
 A refresh of the original allrounder/XO-1 

 I’m pretty sure I’d buy one. 

 Ray

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Re: [RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary Riv

[Bill Lindsay]

If you build up your Atlantis not-heavy, it won't be heavy-built.  My 56cm 
650B Atlantis is under 30 pounds with heavy saddle and seatpost, with heavy 
rims, tubes and tires, with heavy stem and hubs, with a pump, front rack 
and a Wald basket, and with a double chainring and front derailer.  If I 
had wanted to build it light, I could easily save a pound off the seat and 
seatpost, three pounds from the wheelset, a pound with a 1x drivetrain, and 
two pounds with no front rack and basket.  Is 23 pounds still too heavy?  
Even at 29 pounds it's a deligthful bike.  

On Monday, February 4, 2019 at 9:17:43 PM UTC-8, Ash wrote:
>
> Legolas that takes 50mm 650 tires 
>>
>
> A not-heavy-built bike that can take 50mm tires?  COUNT ME IN !! 
>
>
> On Sunday, 3 February 2019 13:44:04 UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Now that I do like.
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 2, 2019 at 10:07 PM Ray Varella  wrote:
>>
>>> I suspect something like a Legolas that takes 50mm 650 tires would 
>>> attract a fair amount of attention. 
>>>
>>> A bit pared down in stoutness from the current allrounders. 
>>> A refresh of the original allrounder/XO-1 
>>>
>>> I’m pretty sure I’d buy one. 
>>>
>>> Ray
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Re: [RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary Riv

[Justin, Oakland]

I would expect more Mixte Boots Wilson, less Traveling Wilbury.

-J

On Tuesday, February 5, 2019 at 9:49:21 AM UTC-8, masmojo wrote:
>
> I am on board with the Mixte concept Grant has in mind; a Glorious or 
> Wilbury is my dream bike and if the Anniversary bike is anything like that 
> I am SO In!
> As a former XO-1 owner & current Atlantis owner, the idea of making an XO 
> throwback is a bit perplexing. I personally consider the Atlantis to be the 
> direct decendent of the XO-1. Now although the current interation of the 
> Atlantis is certainly an additional degree of separation from the XO, I am 
> not sure if a return to concept model is needed?
> FWIW, the current Rodini with Albastahce bars looks & feels so much like 
> my old XO it's spooky.

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[RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary Riv

[bfd853]

The Specialized 40th Anniversary Allez frameset was nice, but very pricey 
at $4000 for the frameset.  It was designed by Mark DiNucci, but made by 
Toyo, so good stuff. Only 74 were made.

Interesting, if you really want one, DiNucci still has the lugs, including 
the cool x-wing chainstay bridge, so for a little more, you can have a 
custom frameset build by Mark with these lugs.  

I wonder if Mark Nobilette will make Riv's 25th Anniversary frameset?!  

Good Luck!

On Monday, February 4, 2019 at 8:59:38 AM UTC-8, Marty Gierke, Stewartstown 
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>
> I remember when Specialized did the retro-versary reissues of the 
> Stumpjumper and the Allez. Or the Paramount 50th. Or De Rosa, Merckx, 
> Harley Davidson (the bicycle, not the motorbike) the list goes on. Retro 
> can be fun, but keep in mind not everything designed to be a collectible 
> ends up a collectible, and few of those retro-versary models will ever be 
> ridden. That's a shame. Personally, I like the idea that RBW would do a new 
> bike that represents everything they've learned so far - just like they 
> always have. I love my 6-year Anniversary All Rounder! One thing is for 
> certain: I will design a special anniversary head-badge poster at some 
> point during the year. I think all I need is the Gus-badge and whatever the 
> 25th edition will be to be up to date. Unless of course they come out with 
> other new models between now and the end of the year, which is not out of 
> the question given their history. I suspect Grant only shares with us 
> what's a little way up his sleeve. Can't wait to see what's further up. 
>
> Marty
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Re: [RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary Riv

[Joe Bernard]

Yep, that was my reaction to the Roadini, too, especially in orange. It looked 
and felt like a direct descendent of my XOs, just with bigger wheels. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary Riv

[masmojo]

I am on board with the Mixte concept Grant has in mind; a Glorious or Wilbury 
is my dream bike and if the Anniversary bike is anything like that I am SO In!
As a former XO-1 owner & current Atlantis owner, the idea of making an XO 
throwback is a bit perplexing. I personally consider the Atlantis to be the 
direct decendent of the XO-1. Now although the current interation of the 
Atlantis is certainly an additional degree of separation from the XO, I am not 
sure if a return to concept model is needed?
FWIW, the current Rodini with Albastahce bars looks & feels so much like my old 
XO it's spooky.

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Re: [RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary Riv

[Ash]

>
> Legolas that takes 50mm 650 tires 
>

A not-heavy-built bike that can take 50mm tires?  COUNT ME IN !! 


On Sunday, 3 February 2019 13:44:04 UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Now that I do like.
>
> On Sat, Feb 2, 2019 at 10:07 PM Ray Varella  > wrote:
>
>> I suspect something like a Legolas that takes 50mm 650 tires would 
>> attract a fair amount of attention. 
>>
>> A bit pared down in stoutness from the current allrounders. 
>> A refresh of the original allrounder/XO-1 
>>
>> I’m pretty sure I’d buy one. 
>>
>> Ray
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Re: [RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary Riv

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Does anyone know how long it takes for Grant to design a bike and bring it into 
production? Wondering if we will see it made before 2020? I don’t care; I’ll 
wait!

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Re: [RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary Riv

[lconley]

The lugs will be brazed with silver solder.

Laing

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> You make a good point. But I think we should go for the gold while we 
> can...

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Re: [RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary Riv

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You make a good point. But I think we should go for the gold while we can...

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Re: [RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary Riv

[Julian Westerhout]

Pish posh -- it's a 25th anniversary bike, not 50th, so it needs to be 
silver plated, not gold!;)

Julian Westerhout
Bloomington, IL 

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> Gold-plated, fillet-brazed Clementine. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary Riv

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Gold-plated, fillet-brazed Clementine. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary Riv

[Eric Chatham]

But does Grant wear white Sox?

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Re: [RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary Riv

[Collin A]

I agree with Joe on this, Grant has his idea and likely won't be swayed by 
the thoughts of the group, that seems to be why he doesn't do disc brakes, 
carbon forks, etc... If anything, an anniversary bike gives Rivendell an 
almost sure way to try something different/crazy that will sell out based 
on it's limited availability.
 
Echoing Marty, A collectible Riv seems to be an antithesis of how Grant & 
Co. design bikes and how they intend for them to be ridden. Buying a 
Rivendell and not riding it seems like a sin!

It'll be interesting to see what the crew comes up with. It'll be met with 
a combination of praise and scoffs I'm sure, ha!

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>
> If Riv wants to make a 25th Anniversary Edition, it's going to be the one 
> Grant has already written about. 
>
> "Collectible": I'm not holding out for the bike to gain in value over the 
> years. My thoughts on it being a limited anniversary frame is that it will 
> sell well that way; the "collectible" part is literal: You buy it and keep 
> it. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary Riv

[Joe Bernard]

If Riv wants to make a 25th Anniversary Edition, it's going to be the one Grant 
has already written about. 

"Collectible": I'm not holding out for the bike to gain in value over the 
years. My thoughts on it being a limited anniversary frame is that it will sell 
well that way; the "collectible" part is literal: You buy it and keep it. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary Riv

[bfd853]

I agree with Joe that it should be a "limited model." If Riv wants to make 
a 25th Anniversary edition, it should be something like the Legolas since 
that seems to be one of the rarest models ever made. Good Luck!

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>
> I very much support the idea of a "collectible" 25th model, even if Grant 
> has reservations. I think of it as a gift to ourselves for those of us 
> who've been on the road with them all these years. And I think the 'limited 
> model' status will sell it out. I'm all for Rivs that sell. 

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[RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary Riv

[Marty Gierke, Stewartstown PA]

I remember when Specialized did the retro-versary reissues of the 
Stumpjumper and the Allez. Or the Paramount 50th. Or De Rosa, Merckx, 
Harley Davidson (the bicycle, not the motorbike) the list goes on. Retro 
can be fun, but keep in mind not everything designed to be a collectible 
ends up a collectible, and few of those retro-versary models will ever be 
ridden. That's a shame. Personally, I like the idea that RBW would do a new 
bike that represents everything they've learned so far - just like they 
always have. I love my 6-year Anniversary All Rounder! One thing is for 
certain: I will design a special anniversary head-badge poster at some 
point during the year. I think all I need is the Gus-badge and whatever the 
25th edition will be to be up to date. Unless of course they come out with 
other new models between now and the end of the year, which is not out of 
the question given their history. I suspect Grant only shares with us 
what's a little way up his sleeve. Can't wait to see what's further up. 

Marty

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[RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary Riv

[Justin, Oakland]

I like the idea that Grant presents for the 25th Anniversary looking forward 
and celebrating the past model. I enjoy the way Riv honors the past without 
just playing the hits. I don’t always enjoy every new model but at least it’s 
changing and iterating. There’s a clear evolution of design going on so I am 
hard pressed to see him offering a vault design anytime soon. I am sure they’ll 
build you an all Rounder if you want to pay the price for a custom though.

-J

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[RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary Riv

[S. Greco]

+1 for a 26" All Rounder / XO style Anni

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Re: [RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary Riv

[lconley]

Yes - the HubbuhubbuH. The downtube, midtube, toptube, and the tube 
connecting the bottom brackets are all laterally ovalized. The downtube, 
midtube and toptube all transition from round at the headtube to laterally 
ovalized maybe 6 to twelve inches from the headtube. I would imagine that 
all of the tubes would be smaller in "diameter" on a mixte.

Laing
Cocoa, FL

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> Are there any visual examples of the laterally ovalized tubes grant is 
> talking about on a bike? 

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Re: [RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary Riv

[Lester Lammers]

Agree. The MIT Atlantis is very versatile. Very much and all rounder.

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>
> Multiple people said they would buy a drop bar mountain bike that takes 
> Thunder Burt’s. 
>
> I’m digging my Thunder Burt drop bar Rivendell. It’s a MIT Atlantis. 
>
> Bill Lindsay 
> El Cerrito Ca. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary Riv

[Joe Bernard]

That bike answers the question, "How come Mountain Goat isn't around anymore?"

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Re: [RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary Riv

[sameness]

Here's an old Mountain Goat 
 
with laterally ovalized top and down tubes.

I guess if you ovalized the seat tube at the bottom bracket a la Ritcheys 
you'd have somewhere to make that mixte-y top tube join somewhat 
coherently? 

I can't imagine how head scratching this would be with lugged construction.

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Re: [RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary Riv

[jamison brosseau]

Joe, if they make any bike flirting with a 25 year anniversary I will buy it, 
regardless of the design.

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Re: [RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary Riv

[Joe Bernard]

John G., I picture the tubes looking very thin from the side, giving the frame 
kind of a wispy look, like a butterfly. I think it would be fascinating. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary Riv

[John G.]

I’m having a hard time visualizing it. I’d be interested in a mixte, but I’d 
want more details.

Bummer about the Roadini sales. The new Riv sizing puts me on the edges of 
sizes, so I’ve held off on a Roadini and a Homer. Being on the edge of a size 
range has never worked well for me before.

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Re: [RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary Riv

[Joe Bernard]

Kids, I do not understand why you keep deviating to designs you can pay Riv to 
build as a custom. That's not what this thread is about. Thank you. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary Riv

[sameness]

You may not like it now, but you will
You may not like it now, but you will
The future will not stand still

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Rivmuses for Grantpeople

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Re: [RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary Riv

[bruce.herbit...@gmail.com]

 I'm with Don on this.  I'd really go for a 25th anniv re-release of a classic 
early Riv, The Road, the Long Low, The All Rounder, with the old style Rvendell 
decal (which was never used for customs.) GP could take orders and only have 
the sizes and qty made that people pont up for.  The orig Reynolds 753 special 
heavy wall tube set is not available, but e could use his Silver Brand tubes, 
recreate the Sachs design lugs and have them made in Taiwan.
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On Sunday, February 3, 2019, 6:49:20 PM CST, Don Compton 
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 I have to pass. They've lost me with their new models.

  

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[RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary Riv

[Don Compton]

I have to pass. They've lost me with their new models.

On Friday, February 1, 2019 at 11:31:37 PM UTC-8, sameness wrote:
>
> Here :*
>
>
> 6. This will be our 25th year. We'd talked internally about a 20th 
>> anniversary bike, but it never happened. We're talking again, and there are 
>> a few ideas, but IT may not happen, either. I don't want to make a 
>> collector's model, but I want it, if we do it, to be special in some way. 
>> My idea is a long shot. I know the criticism it would get like I can hear 
>> it now. It would be a special kind of mixte with special tubes requiring 
>> special lugs, and a normal decal wouldn't work on it. We're investigating 
>> the soundness of the idea. I am not a tease. It's laterally ovalize top and 
>> downtubes, to make the side-viewable surfaces minimal. The seat tube has to 
>> be round at the top to fit a round post. It sounds weird, but looks great 
>> in my head. We'd make four sizes, do 25 of each, and label them RIVENDELL.
>>
>>
>> 7. Alternatively, we'd do something less radical, not call it an 
>> anniversary model, and have it be an ongoing model.
>>
>
> (*Also that whole Blahg post sounds a bit like Kurtz plodding ever further 
> up the Nong, God bless 'im.) 
>
> Jeff "Eventulism Bandit" Hagedorn
> Los Angeles, CA USA
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Re: [RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary Riv

[Patrick Moore]

Now that I do like.

On Sat, Feb 2, 2019 at 10:07 PM Ray Varella  wrote:

> I suspect something like a Legolas that takes 50mm 650 tires would attract
> a fair amount of attention.
>
> A bit pared down in stoutness from the current allrounders.
> A refresh of the original allrounder/XO-1
>
> I’m pretty sure I’d buy one.
>
> Ray
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Re: [RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary Riv

[Jonathan D.]

I vote for a carbon disc brake mixte bike just to throw everyone off. It sounds 
like Grant has a clear idea of his vision and a mixte would fit the current 
direction of the company. I just wonder how the model would be different From 
the Gus, Clem L and Cheviot. I don’t see a lot of gaps in the current models 
and I do think Grant sees the new designs as an evolution of the past models so 
re-releasing the all rounder or another old bike would be an odd choice. Blue 
Lug had the special edition Frank Jones that was great looking. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary Riv

[Bill Lindsay]

Multiple people said they would buy a drop bar mountain bike that takes Thunder 
Burt’s. 

I’m digging my Thunder Burt drop bar Rivendell. It’s a MIT Atlantis. 

Bill Lindsay 
El Cerrito Ca. 

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[RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary Riv

[Brian Reeves]

I’m interested in the Mixte idea as well.  Sorry in advance for the thread 
drift but since we are sort-of talking about this here’s some 25th anniversary 
ideas just because it’s fun to think about these things:  (Disclaimer -  I 
am not remotely anywhere close to being a novice on bike design and can’t 
begin to imagine all the time it takes to dream, design, prototype, order 
and sell bikes…and I haven’t ridden a Rivendell other than the Atlantis.  I 
trust Grant and the Rivendell team will design a great bike whatever it 
turns out to be.)

 

   1. Make special 25th anniversary decals for all new bikes and put these 
   on all frames produced in the coming year  - maybe a special seat tube 
   decal with signatures from everyone on it at Rivendell.  
   2. Draft 2 (or more) new or refreshed bike designs.  Offer the frames up 
   like the Hubbuhubbuh tandem requiring non-refundable deposits to pre-commit 
   to purchase at a discount (if X amount of total deposits aren’t made the 
   frame isn’t produced and require X amount of deposits to be put down per 
   frame size for that frame size to be made unless Rivendell wants to keep 
   stock of the bikes).  Here are some bike ideas: 
  1. Rivendells/Grants Special Mixte Design  - If not making the 
  special mixte with ovalized tubes maybe something along the lines of this 
  prototype without the top tube: 
  https://www.flickr.com/photos/olipop/12289515975/in/photostream/  .  
  Only reason I suggest this is because I like curve-a-tubes like on the 
  large Atlantis frames.   
   

   1. Roadeo or Legolas like bike with longer chainstays that is in the 
  road bike category (or slot in somewhere in between the road/country bike 
  category but leaning toward the road category – say in between a Roadeo 
and 
  Hilsen) that takes wider tires (650b in most sizes and Atlantis tire 
  clearances) and canti/v-brakes.  In a sense a stripped down Atlantis but 
  fully lugged or fillet brazed/tig with a semi-modernized? tt slope of 3 
or 
  less or 6 if fully modernized?... 
  2. Revised Hunqapillar – I really like the look of this prototype 
  (some of the best photography I've ever seen as well to boot) and love 
the 
  color too: 
  https://www.flickr.com/photos/olipop/12289515975/in/photostream/  .  
  Actually, whatever color this is I'd think would be great on any future 
  Rivendell. 
   

   1. Make special 25th anniversary model mugs, patches, hats and shirts (a 
   shirt with all the head-badges on them would be cool – it might be too 
   expensive to create and too expensive of a shirt as well though).  

 

On a side note - My long term plan is to eventually add a Rivendell mixte 
(for me to use around town and for friends to use) and drop-bar roadish 
bike (really want something like a Roadeo but with bigger tire clearances 
and canti/v brakes …the road bike I ride now and have for the last 10 years 
is too small and I’m not getting any younger…) to go with my swept back 
Atlantis (which use has skewed more toward dirt/trails/road…actually pretty 
mixed riding and handles whatever I want to do).  I don’t have a specific 
timeline on this however.  So I have a new question for ya’ll: What are you 
biking needs (or desires/wants) that you’d like to fill in the future?   

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> Grant mentioned this as a possibility on the latest Blahg, and I'm curious 
> to hear how much interest there is in it. I think it sounds swell, 
> especially with the "Rivendell" name on it. I want one!
>
> Joe Bernard
> Marin County CA. 
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[RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary Riv

[Linda G]

I'd vote for a Legolas-type bike. Light tubing, canti/v-brakes, 
"modernized" with a sloping top tube and ability to take slightly larger 
tires like 38/42. Grant mentioned in his recent blog that the Roadini did 
not sell well, except the 50 and 54 sizes sold out. I think there are a lot 
of shorter/lighter people who do not want a stout bike and great big tires 
but like the Rivendell philosophy. The larger sizes could be made stouter.

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> Grant mentioned this as a possibility on the latest Blahg, and I'm curious 
> to hear how much interest there is in it. I think it sounds swell, 
> especially with the "Rivendell" name on it. I want one!
>
> Joe Bernard
> Marin County CA. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary Riv

[Ray Varella]

Philip,
The current orange on the Roadinis would be my first choice for color. It’s a 
great color IMHO. 
The orange on the HHH tandems is another great color, once again, IMHO

Ray

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Re: [RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary Riv

[Drw]

I support Tony’s idea 100% and would definitely get something. I also support a 
thunderburt Legolas, or a thunderburt roadini/sam/chev. 

That said, I think Grant views the older frames as less evolved than the 
current and probably isn’t too pumped to sell something less evolved. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary Riv

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

There are so many diamond frames in the lineup and in RBW history that I'm 
pulling for Grant's mixte anniversary bike. Anniversary is celebrating 
history/longevity and looking forward to the future, adding some romance, and 
to me that screams MIXTE. That's the bike that has carried me from the 
kid-pulling years and hopefully through old age. I am really excited to see 
what creativity Grant would put into this bike. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary Riv

[Edwin W]

Tony,

I love that idea! Everyone gets what they want! Riv gets sales, with 
guarantees, and everyone gets their dream frame. As long as five or so others 
share that dream. At that price!
I would start with an original one tube Atlantis and might even get a quick 
beam. You only get to do this once every 25 years!!

“I’m with Tony,”

Edwin

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Re: [RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary Riv

[Philip Williamson]

I agree. A Thunder Burt Legolas in pumpkin orange would throw back to the burnt 
orange Riv cross bike I used to stare at on the internet, and be on-trend, at 
least with my friends’ bikes.

Just re-badging the Frank Jones singlesepeed as an Anniverswry model (and 
offering a larger size) would also work for me.

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA

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[RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary Riv

[tc]

Speaking of the All Rounder...RR03 , 
pg 34 has a nice write-up from the past.

Reading this RR21 article 
, it almost 
sounds like the MIJ Atlantis was to the MUSA All Rounder what the MIT Sam 
was to the MUSA Homer -- a more evolved (from Grant's perspective) but less 
expensive frame.

Question for those that have owned both an All Rounder and an Atlantis:  
Could you tell a difference, functionally?

Tom

On Sunday, February 3, 2019 at 9:49:44 AM UTC-5, Matt Beecher wrote:
>
> ...I'd like to see a return of the all-rounder/XO-1 style bike, but it 
> seemed like Handsome struggled with selling their XO-1 tribute bike a few 
> years ago.  I might buy one, depending on price, but question if they would 
> sell
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary Riv

[Pondero]

Wow, Tony, that's brilliant!

Chris Johnson
Sanger, Texas

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Re: [RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary Riv

[Tony DeFilippo]

Pure fantasy but my ideal'Riv 25th Anniversary' design would be... Open up the 
full historical design catalog so long as lugs still exist to support, pre 
order with full deposit only.  Any design that gets 5 or more orders (whatever 
threshold is driven by River and their builder to ensure a profit) makes the 
cut.

Have Grant and the team develop a special head badge and Rivendell decal set, 
number then, Grant hand sign them... And somehow have a secondary decal that 
notes the particular model heritage. Maybe make the colors limited and a 
special pallet... Maybe a single color!?!

No geometry changes, only the stock sides available originally. No protovelos, 
no customs, but any stock design advertised in a catalog or reader.  Maybe 
include Bridgestone 1994 catalog? :)

Everyone would theoretically be able to get what they wanted (so long as they 
bring 4 friends along to their way of thinking).  And if Riv kept the deposit 
list live and public we'd have the ultimate all time popularity contest for Riv 
bike designs.

New, new stock, special edition Riv All Rounder, 1 of 5, and it says Rivendell 
on it, that fits...  :)



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Re: [RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary Riv

[Fullylugged]

>>Are there any visual examples of the laterally ovalized tubes grant is 
>>talking about on a bike?<<

  That would be laterally stiff, but vertically compliant :)

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Re: [RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary Riv

[Drw]

Are there any visual examples of the laterally ovalized tubes grant is talking 
about on a bike? 

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Re: [RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary Riv

[Ray Varella]

I suspect something like a Legolas that takes 50mm 650 tires would attract a 
fair amount of attention. 

A bit pared down in stoutness from the current allrounders. 
A refresh of the original allrounder/XO-1 

I’m pretty sure I’d buy one. 

Ray

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Re: [RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary Riv

[Sky Coulter]

I like patrick’s notion of an atlantis special model, but as Joe mentioned, it 
sounds like Grant has a particular idea in mind, but while it sounds like it’ll 
look cool from the side, i think would be too redundant w my clementine for me.

Not that a special model atlantis wouldn’t be redundant w my joe appa, but 
that’s the kind of bike i like mostsky

> On Feb 2, 2019, at 8:47 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> I very much support the idea of a "collectible" 25th model, even if Grant has 
> reservations. I think of it as a gift to ourselves for those of us who've 
> been on the road with them all these years. And I think the 'limited model' 
> status will sell it out. I'm all for Rivs that sell. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary Riv

[Joe Bernard]

I very much support the idea of a "collectible" 25th model, even if Grant has 
reservations. I think of it as a gift to ourselves for those of us who've been 
on the road with them all these years. And I think the 'limited model' status 
will sell it out. I'm all for Rivs that sell. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary Riv

[Patrick Moore]

All Rivendells are collectors' models!

For a 25th anniversary model, I'd vote for a Rivendell track bike (with
that signature Rivendell handling). If I weren't being facetious, I'd have
to say that the Atlantis is probably a very good candidate for a special
production model, no, as being the oldest-running model.

Or bring back the Legolas under a non-trademarked name.

On Sat, Feb 2, 2019 at 8:29 PM Adam in Indiana 
wrote:

> I don't know, I personally would lean toward the second idea, a somewhat
> special ongoing model.  I don't like the idea of a Rivendell collector's
> frame.
>
>
>
> On Friday, February 1, 2019 at 5:42:48 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
> > Grant mentioned this as a possibility on the latest Blahg, and I'm
> curious to hear how much interest there is in it. I think it sounds swell,
> especially with the "Rivendell" name on it. I want one!
> >
> > Joe Bernard
> > Marin County CA.
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[RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary Riv

[Adam in Indiana]

I don't know, I personally would lean toward the second idea, a somewhat 
special ongoing model.  I don't like the idea of a Rivendell collector's frame.



On Friday, February 1, 2019 at 5:42:48 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
> Grant mentioned this as a possibility on the latest Blahg, and I'm curious to 
> hear how much interest there is in it. I think it sounds swell, especially 
> with the "Rivendell" name on it. I want one!
> 
> Joe Bernard
> Marin County CA.

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[RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary Riv

[sameness]

Here :*


6. This will be our 25th year. We'd talked internally about a 20th 
> anniversary bike, but it never happened. We're talking again, and there are 
> a few ideas, but IT may not happen, either. I don't want to make a 
> collector's model, but I want it, if we do it, to be special in some way. 
> My idea is a long shot. I know the criticism it would get like I can hear 
> it now. It would be a special kind of mixte with special tubes requiring 
> special lugs, and a normal decal wouldn't work on it. We're investigating 
> the soundness of the idea. I am not a tease. It's laterally ovalize top and 
> downtubes, to make the side-viewable surfaces minimal. The seat tube has to 
> be round at the top to fit a round post. It sounds weird, but looks great 
> in my head. We'd make four sizes, do 25 of each, and label them RIVENDELL.
>
>
> 7. Alternatively, we'd do something less radical, not call it an 
> anniversary model, and have it be an ongoing model.
>

(*Also that whole Blahg post sounds a bit like Kurtz plodding ever further 
up the Nong, God bless 'im.) 

Jeff "Eventulism Bandit" Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

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[RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary Riv

[Joe Bernard]

It's not. The Blahg I referenced mentions the design Grant is thinking about. 

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[RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary Riv

[Don Compton]

As an owner of my fourth Rev( a Roadeo), I would be interested if it's a 
bike like the Ram or something similar.

On Friday, February 1, 2019 at 2:42:48 PM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Grant mentioned this as a possibility on the latest Blahg, and I'm curious 
> to hear how much interest there is in it. I think it sounds swell, 
> especially with the "Rivendell" name on it. I want one!
>
> Joe Bernard
> Marin County CA. 
>

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