Re: [RBW] Re: 40/24 double mod on Bombadil

2013-03-07 Thread René Sterental
I just got my Hunqapillar back from the painter last week, and today my LBS
installed the headset, BB and crankset. I decided to install the stock Riv
26/40, although may go down to 24 in the future.

The thing is, the Phil BB had to be shifted to the right all the way, with
the left side flush with the BB shell/frame in order for the 40 ring to
clear the chain stay. In fact, there is about 1mm between the sharp teeth
of the chainring and the chain stay. Do I need to up to a larger BB
spindle? I think I have a 111, so next size up is 113.

What do you guys think? Do I need more clearance between the ring and the
chain stay? Actually, the 26 is also very close to the chain stay. I used
to have a 24/36/46 before.

Thanks,

René


On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 8:10 PM, charlie cl_v...@hotmail.com wrote:

  I know quite a few people are going nuts over uber wide cassettes and two
 rings so maybe they are on to something. Either way steel rings are a good
 investment. I purchased Surly stainless rings (4434) and they work fine on
 my triple with a steel 24 tooth.


 On Monday, January 21, 2013 7:15:38 PM UTC-8, Jared Volpe wrote:

 So I want to do a 40/24 double mod with a Sugino double FD.
 rly
 Any suggestions out there? Stainless? Aluminium? More than 24t on the
 granny? Lessons learned? Chainrings you are happy with?  I've been talking
 offline with Keven (original inspiration?), lister Jeremy (who is going to
 help me out once i dial in the parts/setup) and lister Zach who made the
 mod himself... but I wanted to open it up to the group.

 Thanks!

 Jared

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Re: [RBW] Re: 40/24 double mod on Bombadil

2013-03-07 Thread William
Yes, I do think you want a slightly longer BB when you switch from a triple 
to a supercompact double.  

On Thursday, March 7, 2013 7:45:38 PM UTC-8, René wrote:

 I just got my Hunqapillar back from the painter last week, and today my 
 LBS installed the headset, BB and crankset. I decided to install the stock 
 Riv 26/40, although may go down to 24 in the future.

 The thing is, the Phil BB had to be shifted to the right all the way, with 
 the left side flush with the BB shell/frame in order for the 40 ring to 
 clear the chain stay. In fact, there is about 1mm between the sharp teeth 
 of the chainring and the chain stay. Do I need to up to a larger BB 
 spindle? I think I have a 111, so next size up is 113.

 What do you guys think? Do I need more clearance between the ring and the 
 chain stay? Actually, the 26 is also very close to the chain stay. I used 
 to have a 24/36/46 before.

 Thanks,

 René


 On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 8:10 PM, charlie cl_...@hotmail.com javascript:
  wrote:

  I know quite a few people are going nuts over uber wide cassettes and 
 two rings so maybe they are on to something. Either way steel rings are a 
 good investment. I purchased Surly stainless rings (4434) and they work 
 fine on my triple with a steel 24 tooth.


 On Monday, January 21, 2013 7:15:38 PM UTC-8, Jared Volpe wrote:

 So I want to do a 40/24 double mod with a Sugino double FD.  
 rly 
 Any suggestions out there? Stainless? Aluminium? More than 24t on the 
 granny? Lessons learned? Chainrings you are happy with?  I've been talking 
 offline with Keven (original inspiration?), lister Jeremy (who is going to 
 help me out once i dial in the parts/setup) and lister Zach who made the 
 mod himself... but I wanted to open it up to the group.  

 Thanks!

 Jared

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Re: [RBW] Re: 40/24 double mod on Bombadil

2013-03-07 Thread Andy Smitty Schmidt
yes... longer BB sounds like the ticket.
my 2 cents.
--Smitty

On Thursday, March 7, 2013 7:45:38 PM UTC-8, René wrote:

 I just got my Hunqapillar back from the painter last week, and today my 
 LBS installed the headset, BB and crankset. I decided to install the stock 
 Riv 26/40, although may go down to 24 in the future.

 The thing is, the Phil BB had to be shifted to the right all the way, with 
 the left side flush with the BB shell/frame in order for the 40 ring to 
 clear the chain stay. In fact, there is about 1mm between the sharp teeth 
 of the chainring and the chain stay. Do I need to up to a larger BB 
 spindle? I think I have a 111, so next size up is 113.

 What do you guys think? Do I need more clearance between the ring and the 
 chain stay? Actually, the 26 is also very close to the chain stay. I used 
 to have a 24/36/46 before.

 Thanks,

 René


 On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 8:10 PM, charlie cl_...@hotmail.com javascript:
  wrote:

  I know quite a few people are going nuts over uber wide cassettes and 
 two rings so maybe they are on to something. Either way steel rings are a 
 good investment. I purchased Surly stainless rings (4434) and they work 
 fine on my triple with a steel 24 tooth.


 On Monday, January 21, 2013 7:15:38 PM UTC-8, Jared Volpe wrote:

 So I want to do a 40/24 double mod with a Sugino double FD.  
 rly 
 Any suggestions out there? Stainless? Aluminium? More than 24t on the 
 granny? Lessons learned? Chainrings you are happy with?  I've been talking 
 offline with Keven (original inspiration?), lister Jeremy (who is going to 
 help me out once i dial in the parts/setup) and lister Zach who made the 
 mod himself... but I wanted to open it up to the group.  

 Thanks!

 Jared

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[RBW] Re: 40/24 double mod on Bombadil

2013-02-12 Thread charlie
 I know quite a few people are going nuts over uber wide cassettes and two 
rings so maybe they are on to something. Either way steel rings are a good 
investment. I purchased Surly stainless rings (4434) and they work fine on 
my triple with a steel 24 tooth.

On Monday, January 21, 2013 7:15:38 PM UTC-8, Jared Volpe wrote:

 So I want to do a 40/24 double mod with a Sugino double FD.  
 rly 
 Any suggestions out there? Stainless? Aluminium? More than 24t on the 
 granny? Lessons learned? Chainrings you are happy with?  I've been talking 
 offline with Keven (original inspiration?), lister Jeremy (who is going to 
 help me out once i dial in the parts/setup) and lister Zach who made the 
 mod himself... but I wanted to open it up to the group.  

 Thanks!

 Jared


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Re: [RBW] Re: 40/24 double mod on Bombadil

2013-02-10 Thread PATRICK MOORE
I call this sort of gearing subcomact and like the switch to 38/24 on the
Fargo (from a 46/36/24 triple). I lose some of the intermediate gears but
have the same range and, more important in this case is that when moving
from smooth, flat surfaces to sandy, hilly surfaces I don't need to switch
between outer and middle. I simply swapped a 38 for the 36 and a bash guard
for the 46.

I switched from a 7 sp (for Big Apples, 16-18-20-22-26-30-34 or suchlike)
to 8 speed (ditto: 13-15-16-17-19-22-26-34). It would be even better with 9
speeds and a 22-25-29-34 progression (Big Apples), but not so much better
-- for my purposes -- to be worth the hassle of seeking out the needed
spacers and cogs. I gear slightly higher and somewhat closer for the Kojak
wheels: 12-13-14-15-16-18-21-26.

I moved the spindle to the left by a couple of mm so that the chain tracks
pretty straight between the 17 and 19 t cogs (65 and 58 gears; on the
Kojaks: 15 and 16 t, 69 and 65).

Patrick ain't it fun obsessing about gearing? Moore

On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 8:50 PM, JL subfas...@gmail.com wrote:

 I really liked how the gearing worked out when I set up a 110/74 double on
 my CB-O townie bike.  I set it up similar to the riv quickbeam cranksets
 with the blank chainring in the outer position.  Go for it! I bet that
 crank setup is going to be really nice on your Bomba

 JL

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Re: [RBW] Re: 40/24 double mod on Bombadil

2013-02-10 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Whoops! I mean to say that I moved it to the RIGHT a couple of mm.

On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 8:12 AM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:


 I moved the spindle to the left by a couple of mm so that the chain tracks
 pretty straight between the 17 and 19 t cogs (65 and 58 gears; on the
 Kojaks: 15 and 16 t, 69 and 65).


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Re: [RBW] Re: 40/24 double mod on Bombadil

2013-02-10 Thread PATRICK MOORE
You mean shorter, right? -- and that only if you use the outer and middle
positions. If you simply remove the outer, there is no need for a new bb at
all since normally a middle ring is centered on the cassette already. (In
my case, I had a triple biased toward the left to allow me to use the outer
(46) with all (7) cogs; when I ditched the 46, I moved it back to the
normal triple position with the middle -- now outer -- once again
centered on the cassette.

On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 9:51 PM, ted ted.ke...@comcast.net wrote:



 On the bb front, converting a triple to a double using the middle and
 small rings should mean you need a longer bb to keep the spec chain
 line. Not that I bothered about that, but ...

 On Jan 21, 8:29 pm, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote:
  With my Bombadil a 24t ring is as large as I could go with needing a
 longer
  BB using a 110mm Tange.  And yes  SS is the only way to go for the
  small rings.

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Re: [RBW] Re: 40/24 double mod on Bombadil

2013-02-10 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Not if you are using a 34 or 36 in back. (Well, I've used a short cage,
8-sp era Ultegra with a 14-32 7 speed, but the rd wasn't happy with the 32).

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 From what I hear you can use a regular road double derailer. It makes a
 lot of sense for commuting, rambling and even touring.

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[RBW] Re: 40/24 double mod on Bombadil

2013-02-10 Thread ted
This is where medium cage derailers are great.

On Feb 10, 7:26 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
 Not if you are using a 34 or 36 in back. (Well, I've used a short cage,
 8-sp era Ultegra with a 14-32 7 speed, but the rd wasn't happy with the 32).

 On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 7:29 AM, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote:
  From what I hear you can use a regular road double derailer. It makes a
  lot of sense for commuting, rambling and even touring.

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Re: [RBW] Re: 40/24 double mod on Bombadil

2013-02-10 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Will they accomodate 34 or even 36 to cogs? I've never used one.

On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 9:28 AM, ted ted.ke...@comcast.net wrote:

 This is where medium cage derailers are great.

 On Feb 10, 7:26 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
  Not if you are using a 34 or 36 in back. (Well, I've used a short cage,
  8-sp era Ultegra with a 14-32 7 speed, but the rd wasn't happy with the
 32).
 
  On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 7:29 AM, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote:
   From what I hear you can use a regular road double derailer. It makes a
   lot of sense for commuting, rambling and even touring.
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: 40/24 double mod on Bombadil

2013-02-10 Thread William
I've used the shorter cage XT with a 12-36 cassette and a double 
chainring.  The M751 GS is the model.  

On Sunday, February 10, 2013 11:31:54 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:

 Will they accomodate 34 or even 36 to cogs? I've never used one.

 On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 9:28 AM, ted ted@comcast.net javascript:wrote:

 This is where medium cage derailers are great.

 On Feb 10, 7:26 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
  Not if you are using a 34 or 36 in back. (Well, I've used a short cage,
  8-sp era Ultegra with a 14-32 7 speed, but the rd wasn't happy with the 
 32).
 
  On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 7:29 AM, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote:
   From what I hear you can use a regular road double derailer. It makes 
 a
   lot of sense for commuting, rambling and even touring.
 
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[RBW] Re: 40/24 double mod on Bombadil

2013-02-09 Thread JL
I really liked how the gearing worked out when I set up a 110/74 double on 
my CB-O townie bike.  I set it up similar to the riv quickbeam cranksets 
with the blank chainring in the outer position.  Go for it! I bet that 
crank setup is going to be really nice on your Bomba

JL

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[RBW] Re: 40/24 double mod on Bombadil

2013-02-08 Thread Andy Smitty Schmidt
I've run the 40/26 in the past. Short answer is that it's great 
configuration. Enjoy it. 

A few more data points... FWIW...
I run a 36/24 (steel/steel) on my Big Dummy... 26t is fine on my Homer but 
the 24t comes in handy when the load gets big. 2t makes a difference.

For reasons too long and not important enough to explain here... about 6 
months ago I switched from 40/26 on my AHH to 42/38/26. I'm not sure if the 
42/38 is technically a half-step, but it seems to give me a smaller jump 
than a rear shift... fun to toy with. 

--Smitty


On Monday, January 21, 2013 7:15:38 PM UTC-8, Jared Volpe wrote:

 So I want to do a 40/24 double mod with a Sugino double FD.  

 Any suggestions out there? Stainless? Aluminium? More than 24t on the 
 granny? Lessons learned? Chainrings you are happy with?  I've been talking 
 offline with Keven (original inspiration?), lister Jeremy (who is going to 
 help me out once i dial in the parts/setup) and lister Zach who made the 
 mod himself... but I wanted to open it up to the group.  

 Thanks!

 Jared


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[RBW] Re: 40/24 double mod on Bombadil

2013-02-07 Thread Jared Volpe
Thanks for your input everyone!  This was totally helpful.  Got the bike 
back on the road today and it is awesome.  Went with the chainring guard, a 
40t and a 24t all from Riv.

On Monday, January 21, 2013 7:15:38 PM UTC-8, Jared Volpe wrote:

 So I want to do a 40/24 double mod with a Sugino double FD.  

 Any suggestions out there? Stainless? Aluminium? More than 24t on the 
 granny? Lessons learned? Chainrings you are happy with?  I've been talking 
 offline with Keven (original inspiration?), lister Jeremy (who is going to 
 help me out once i dial in the parts/setup) and lister Zach who made the 
 mod himself... but I wanted to open it up to the group.  

 Thanks!

 Jared


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[RBW] Re: 40/24 double mod on Bombadil

2013-01-23 Thread Mike
I keep threatening to set one of my bikes up with this sorta wide-range 
double. I still have the Sugino crank from my Quickbeam with 40/32 rings. 
From what I hear you can use a regular road double derailer. It makes a lot 
of sense for commuting, rambling and even touring. 

As for rings... Surly makes nice stainless steel rings. I use one on my 
singlespeed commuter. Although the rings don't have ramps or pins, I still 
think they'd be fine for this kind of use. I guess you could combine Surly 
rings, a Wipperman chain and a nice cassette for a heavy duty long lasting 
drivetrain.

mike

On Monday, January 21, 2013 7:15:38 PM UTC-8, Jared Volpe wrote:

 So I want to do a 40/24 double mod with a Sugino double FD.  

 Any suggestions out there? Stainless? Aluminium? More than 24t on the 
 granny? Lessons learned? Chainrings you are happy with?  I've been talking 
 offline with Keven (original inspiration?), lister Jeremy (who is going to 
 help me out once i dial in the parts/setup) and lister Zach who made the 
 mod himself... but I wanted to open it up to the group.  

 Thanks!

 Jared


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[RBW] Re: 40/24 double mod on Bombadil

2013-01-22 Thread William
Re: chainline.  

You normally try to center the middle ring on the cogset when you run a 
triple.  so with a 9 speed cassette, you'd line up the middle chainring 
with cog #5

If your 24/40/chainguard setup is going to be ridden as a 1x9 plus granny 
(as most people do), then leaving your BB alone is actually precisely the 
right thing to do.  Center that 40 on the #5 cog and all nine are available 
to you.  The only no-no gears are the 2 or 3 small cogs when you are in the 
small chainring, gears that nobody needs anyway.  This is one of the cases 
where doing it the easy way and doing it the right way might be the same 
thing!  :-)

On Monday, January 21, 2013 8:51:28 PM UTC-8, ted wrote:

 I always thought it was odd that small rings were al and big cogs were 
 steel. Seems like if you don't want al cogs for 25 teeth you would 
 want steel rings for the small (say 36) rings. Same # of teeth means 
 same load, same wear, very similar weight. 

 On the bb front, converting a triple to a double using the middle and 
 small rings should mean you need a longer bb to keep the spec chain 
 line. Not that I bothered about that, but ... 

 On Jan 21, 8:29 pm, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote: 
  With my Bombadil a 24t ring is as large as I could go with needing a 
 longer 
  BB using a 110mm Tange.  And yes  SS is the only way to go for the 
  small rings. 


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[RBW] Re: 40/24 double mod on Bombadil

2013-01-22 Thread ted
Color me slow or weak or whatever, but when I ride my bombadill in the
open spaces its more like the small ring is the default and the 40 is
just for downhill. That said I still think the chain line is perfectly
acceptable without a longer bb.

On Jan 22, 9:41 am, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:
 Re: chainline.

 You normally try to center the middle ring on the cogset when you run a
 triple.  so with a 9 speed cassette, you'd line up the middle chainring
 with cog #5

 If your 24/40/chainguard setup is going to be ridden as a 1x9 plus granny
 (as most people do), then leaving your BB alone is actually precisely the
 right thing to do.  Center that 40 on the #5 cog and all nine are available
 to you.  The only no-no gears are the 2 or 3 small cogs when you are in the
 small chainring, gears that nobody needs anyway.  This is one of the cases
 where doing it the easy way and doing it the right way might be the same
 thing!  :-)







 On Monday, January 21, 2013 8:51:28 PM UTC-8, ted wrote:

  I always thought it was odd that small rings were al and big cogs were
  steel. Seems like if you don't want al cogs for 25 teeth you would
  want steel rings for the small (say 36) rings. Same # of teeth means
  same load, same wear, very similar weight.

  On the bb front, converting a triple to a double using the middle and
  small rings should mean you need a longer bb to keep the spec chain
  line. Not that I bothered about that, but ...

  On Jan 21, 8:29 pm, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote:
   With my Bombadil a 24t ring is as large as I could go with needing a
  longer
   BB using a 110mm Tange.  And yes  SS is the only way to go for the
   small rings.

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[RBW] Re: 40/24 double mod on Bombadil

2013-01-21 Thread ted
24/40 worked fine on my bombadill. Same size gap as the common 34/50
compact.

On Jan 21, 8:13 pm, René Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote:
 Riv's version is 26/40. Don't know why they didn't go to 24, but my guess
 is it has to do the step up and the front derailer efficiency, if that's
 what that's called.

 I'd be interested to see if and how well it works for you. I have the 32/40
 currently on the Betty and love it. It's not that I do much climbing on the
 Betty now, and the 40 feels fantastic with the 12/34 9 speed cassette. I
 just got the 26/40 which I may put on the Hunqapillar once it's reprinted
 with the 12/36 cassette, but  until I lose significant weight, I'd
 seriously consider swapping the  26 for a 24 if it works well

 René









 On Monday, January 21, 2013, Jared Volpe wrote:
  So I want to do a 40/24 double mod with a Sugino double FD.

  Any suggestions out there? Stainless? Aluminium? More than 24t on the
  granny? Lessons learned? Chainrings you are happy with?  I've been talking
  offline with Keven (original inspiration?), lister Jeremy (who is going to
  help me out once i dial in the parts/setup) and lister Zach who made the
  mod himself... but I wanted to open it up to the group.

  Thanks!

  Jared

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[RBW] Re: 40/24 double mod on Bombadil

2013-01-21 Thread Garth

With my Bombadil a 24t ring is as large as I could go with needing a longer 
BB using a 110mm Tange.  And yes  SS is the only way to go for the 
small rings.  

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[RBW] Re: 40/24 double mod on Bombadil

2013-01-21 Thread ted
I always thought it was odd that small rings were al and big cogs were
steel. Seems like if you don't want al cogs for 25 teeth you would
want steel rings for the small (say 36) rings. Same # of teeth means
same load, same wear, very similar weight.

On the bb front, converting a triple to a double using the middle and
small rings should mean you need a longer bb to keep the spec chain
line. Not that I bothered about that, but ...

On Jan 21, 8:29 pm, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote:
 With my Bombadil a 24t ring is as large as I could go with needing a longer
 BB using a 110mm Tange.  And yes  SS is the only way to go for the
 small rings.

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