[RBW] Re: A Mini-State O' The List Report - Topic Drift and a Note on Tone

2013-04-23 Thread Deacon Patrick
I doubt there are more than a handful of Rivendell owners who haven't cycled for years and owned numerous bikes before taking the plunge. I certainly fit into this category. I hadn't bicycled at all since my brain injury at the end of 2002, though I rode a recumbent trike for a few years. When

Re: [RBW] Re: A Mini-State O' The List Report - Topic Drift and a Note on Tone

2013-04-23 Thread Bruce Herbitter
Me too. I thought about a bike around 2000 or 2001, after returning from a scout hike with my son that nearly killed me. I knew I needed a fun way to work on fitness and my 1st bike was a self bribe to get off the couch. It was a steel framed Trek Navigator (rail trail bike). The cycling bug bit

[RBW] Re: A Mini-State O' The List Report - Topic Drift and a Note on Tone

2013-04-22 Thread hsmitham
Wanted to add something to this topic. When I ride with people who are not as infatuated as I with all things bicycles but want to start cycling I often have a discussion about the attributes of my bike especially when I tell them it's made for mixed terrain it always distills to how much!

[RBW] Re: A Mini-State O' The List Report - Topic Drift and a Note on Tone

2013-04-22 Thread dougP
Hugh: Well put. Especially for people who are new to cycling, the concept of a multi-thousand dollar bike is mind boggling. I doubt there are more than a handful of Rivendell owners who haven't cycled for years and owned numerous bikes before taking the plunge. Our little corner of the

[RBW] Re: A Mini-State O' The List Report - Topic Drift and a Note on Tone

2013-04-22 Thread hsmitham
Doug, Thanks. My sweet little 95' miata cost me $5000.00 with 59K miles, my Homer cost $4600.00. Hugh On Monday, April 22, 2013 7:38:17 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote: Hugh: Well put. Especially for people who are new to cycling, the concept of a multi-thousand dollar bike is mind boggling. I

Re: [RBW] Re: A Mini-State O' The List Report - Topic Drift and a Note on Tone

2013-04-18 Thread Evan
A big thank-you to Jim for maintaining this list, and for his lucid call for civilized discussion! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: [RBW] Re: A Mini-State O' The List Report - Topic Drift and a Note on Tone

2013-04-18 Thread Joe Bernard
We simply disagree. I have no issue with discussions of Riv-philosophy-related products they don't make/sell. I *do* get a little uncomfortable with the who makes a cheap Sackville type stuff. As far as I'm concerned that's asking for the made in China alternative, which Grant doesn't offer

RE: [RBW] Re: A Mini-State O' The List Report - Topic Drift and a Note on Tone

2013-04-18 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J
Philip, you really have to ride it. It's special. -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Philip Williamson Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 1:21 AM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: A

[RBW] Re: A Mini-State O' The List Report - Topic Drift and a Note on Tone

2013-04-18 Thread William
Thanks Jim for all you do. As a poster that sometimes says too much or sometimes says the wrong thing in the wrong way, I've been more diligent in asking myself right before hitting Post the following two questions: 1. Will the board be any better off if I hit the Post button? Even if it's

[RBW] Re: A Mini-State O' The List Report - Topic Drift and a Note on Tone

2013-04-17 Thread Deacon Patrick
I don't understand if/how far OT my post on the fixie is, but I deeply appreciate getting advice from folks who appreciate the Rivendell level of quality and experience -- that is something I can't get easily on another list, where Riv riding philosophy is the exception rather than the norm.

Re: [RBW] Re: A Mini-State O' The List Report - Topic Drift and a Note on Tone

2013-04-17 Thread Peter Morgano
I am personally posting less and less since the nasty emails sent to my personal email address ,it seems some people want to take comments and put words in the mouth of the writers, but there will always be those people, unfortunately. I will stick my neck out again and say if you don't own a

Re: [RBW] Re: A Mini-State O' The List Report - Topic Drift and a Note on Tone

2013-04-17 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Wed, 2013-04-17 at 18:19 -0400, Peter Morgano wrote: I am personally posting less and less since the nasty emails sent to my personal email address ,it seems some people want to take comments and put words in the mouth of the writers, but there will always be those people, unfortunately. I

Re: [RBW] Re: A Mini-State O' The List Report - Topic Drift and a Note on Tone

2013-04-17 Thread Peter Morgano
Right on cue. Shouldn't you have sent it to my personal email address though? On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 6:38 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Wed, 2013-04-17 at 18:19 -0400, Peter Morgano wrote: I am personally posting less and less since the nasty emails sent to my personal

Re: [RBW] Re: A Mini-State O' The List Report - Topic Drift and a Note on Tone

2013-04-17 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Wed, 2013-04-17 at 18:40 -0400, Peter Morgano wrote: Right on cue. Shouldn't you have sent it to my personal email address though? No, I want to go on the public record. On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 6:38 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Wed, 2013-04-17 at 18:19

Re: [RBW] Re: A Mini-State O' The List Report - Topic Drift and a Note on Tone

2013-04-17 Thread Peter Morgano
unlike the other nasty ones you sent to my personal email address. On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 6:42 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Wed, 2013-04-17 at 18:40 -0400, Peter Morgano wrote: Right on cue. Shouldn't you have sent it to my personal email address though? No, I want to

Re: [RBW] Re: A Mini-State O' The List Report - Topic Drift and a Note on Tone

2013-04-17 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Wed, 2013-04-17 at 18:44 -0400, Peter Morgano wrote: unlike the other nasty ones you sent to my personal email address. The last time I sent you a private email was in Nov. 2012. Here's what I said: Oy is British as well as Yiddish. Before that, July 11, 2012, I said: No reason you

Re: [RBW] Re: A Mini-State O' The List Report - Topic Drift and a Note on Tone

2013-04-17 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
That some of us are a-holes, or occasionally perceived as such, is probably OT. On Wednesday, April 17, 2013 5:55:29 PM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote: On Wed, 2013-04-17 at 18:44 -0400, Peter Morgano wrote: unlike the other nasty ones you sent to my personal email address. The last time I

Re: [RBW] Re: A Mini-State O' The List Report - Topic Drift and a Note on Tone

2013-04-17 Thread Liesl
Cyclofiend Jim, I so very much appreciate your spring reminder and the thoughtful way in which you articulated it. The emphasis on the narrow focus contributing to the quality of discussion is spot on. I hope that I continue to live up to that noble standard in my posts and not err to far on

Re: [RBW] Re: A Mini-State O' The List Report - Topic Drift and a Note on Tone

2013-04-17 Thread Peter Morgano
No steve, I doubt you are the only angry old man here, just the most vocal. I would think as Sullivan County natives we could come together, doubt there are many of us on this list. On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 7:01 PM, Liesl li...@smm.org wrote: Cyclofiend Jim, I so very much appreciate your

[RBW] Re: A Mini-State O' The List Report - Topic Drift and a Note on Tone

2013-04-17 Thread Liesl
I find the saddest irony in the most recent back-and-forth posts to this specific thread when its very topic is about tone and civility. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving

Re: [RBW] Re: A Mini-State O' The List Report - Topic Drift and a Note on Tone

2013-04-17 Thread Peter Morgano
Good point, what is the sense of telling each other that everyone is civil when people aren't? There are a few people here who are always on the attack and try to ruin it for everyone, I know they have ruined it for me and I will be quitting this whole thing soon. I had two friends from work join

Re: [RBW] Re: A Mini-State O' The List Report - Topic Drift and a Note on Tone

2013-04-17 Thread Deacon Patrick
Ignoring those who seek attention through annoying or bad behavior is a tried and true option. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send

Re: [RBW] Re: A Mini-State O' The List Report - Topic Drift and a Note on Tone

2013-04-17 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Amen, brother Deacon, amen. Patrick Moore, trying to follow St. Paul and suffer fools gladly in surprisingly cold, cloudy and windy ABQ, NM On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 5:37 PM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote: Ignoring those who seek attention through annoying or bad behavior is a tried

Re: [RBW] Re: A Mini-State O' The List Report - Topic Drift and a Note on Tone

2013-04-17 Thread Shaun Meehan
I love Rivendell bikes and I used to own two of them. The reason I don't own any now is simply because I couldn't bear seeing them get beat up. So now I ride powder-coated, less-expansive alternatives. I still like the Rivendell philosophy and occasional buy great products from RBW. But frankly, I

Re: [RBW] Re: A Mini-State O' The List Report - Topic Drift and a Note on Tone

2013-04-17 Thread Philip Williamson
Agreed. Hey Liesl! Tell me more about your Appaloosa experience. I have a desire to drive over to Rivendell and try out the prototype, but don't think it's my kind of bike. What do you think? Philip www.biketinker.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google

Re: [RBW] Re: A Mini-State O' The List Report - Topic Drift and a Note on Tone

2013-04-17 Thread Cyclofiend Jim
Go ride it Phillip. You'll be amazed. I look forward to your write up of your experience. On the other stuff... my, my, my... I do just shake my head some times. But, since we got our new dog, she and the older one wrestle and chew on one another for hours every day. It sounds