[RBW] Re: AliExpress 10 sp spacers -- individually wrapped! [Was: 10 speed spacers: source found, but now confusion and question]
That's very good news Patrick and great info about the cogs and spacers so now know I I too can build my own if needed. AliExpress for the win ! Like you, I ride certain combos that just aren't offered as completes. The Riv 7-speed hub is good news but there's no suitable cassettes made in combos I ride. I have lots of 6-7sp freewheels and suitable hubs though to likely last me forever and a day so I don't need anything anytime soon. On Friday, April 19, 2024 at 3:05:41 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote: > Update on this for anyone who cares. I ordered 10 each (1 extra in case of > loss) of 2mm, 2.18mm, and 2.35 mm spacers from AliExpress per Garth's > suggestion; thanks again, Garth. > > The upshot after much soul (and web) searching is that *Shimano* 10sp > cogs are 1.6mm thick and take 2.35mm spacers, but *Miche* 10sp cogs are > 1.8 mm thick in the body -- 1.6 mm in the teeth -- and take 2mm spacers. > > I had built my #2-wheel for the Matthews "road bike for dirt" of Shimano > cogs but used Miche spacers and, for the most part, it all works very well > -- 11 sp chain on 10 sp cassette -- but when the chain is on the 18 t cog, > a very much used cruising cog, precise chain adjustment is more finicky and > requires more attention to trimming. > > So I will replace the 2.0s with, probably the proper Shimano-width 2.35s, > but I might try the 2.18s which I guess are for 11 sp > Shimano cassettes? -- simply because the 2.0s have worked so well except > for that 18 to cog. > > Finally, I placed the order on 4/05 and exactly 2 weeks later the passle > of cogs appeared in my mailbox. > > $30 US and change for 30 spacers + shipping + NM or ABQ tax. > > The cogs are all aluminum and a very pretty scarlet, and they are very > minimally cut and make the stock 2.0 Shimano (I think) silver aluminum > spacers look big and clumsy. And each of the 30 received was individually > wrapped; I guess for ease of sorting. > > In case you were anxiously fretting about all this > > I had earlier ordered a passle of 10 sp Shimano cogs to build up 14-28 10 > sp cassettes, and with these spacers, I'm a convert to AliExpress for > cheap, decent small parts. > > > > > On Tue, Apr 2, 2024 at 11:49 AM Patrick Moore wrote: > >> Re-threading this: >> >> Thanks, Garth; you're fingers are obviously more deft than mine. >> >> But a question, because now I'm confused (per other thread): how wide are >> Shimano 10 sp spacers? >> >> You say 2.35, Sheldon says 2.35mm, mine measure consistent 2.04 mm -- the >> red plastic ones I ordered from Cycle Clinic (expressly for 10 sp >> cassettes) in 2020. *And * I found a half-dozen alum spacers in my bin >> that measure a consistent 2.0 mm. >> >> So: is 2.04 -- 2.0 the 11 speed spacer? >> >> The 14-28 10 sp cassette, as well as the 13-25, both use the red 2.04 mm >> spacers with an 11 sp chain and it all shifts wonderfully. >> >> *SO:* please tell me what I want! >> >> Thanks! >> >> On Tue, Apr 2, 2024 at 11:28 AM Garth wrote: >> >>> I case you come up empty here Patrick, there's aliexpress wholesale >>> website. I've ordered from the website from various companies without any >>> issues. >>> https://www.aliexpress.us/w/wholesale-10-speed-cassette-spacers-2.35mm.html. >>> >>> You can also get spare cogs there. >>> https://www.aliexpress.us/w/wholesale-10-speed-cassette-cogs.html >>> >>> If anyone made an 7-speed freehub, and it didn't make noise, I'd buy >>> some and make my own cassettes. >>> >> >> > > -- > > Patrick Moore > Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum > > --- > > Executive resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, letters, and other writing > services > > > --- > > *When thou didst not, savage, k**now thine own meaning,* > > *But wouldst gabble like a** thing most brutish,* > > *I endowed thy purposes w**ith words that made them known.* > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/a23cbba8-9102-4554-825a-a7dd576bd398n%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: AliExpress
Patrick wrote: "...which leads me to wonder if they don't have warehouses scattered around in their biggest markets, like the US?" I can't imagine the cost of a physical inventory that would be defined by even what seems a narrow bicycle part search on the internet. Managing that inventory and keeping up with what you have invested in that vast storage would be mind boggling. The simple concept that non-moving stock becomes more expensive as it sits and ages due to interest on the wholesale cost becomes numbing as lines of SKUs increase. AliExpress, et al seem to have looked at parameters of accounting and management used in old manual inventory systems like rate of use, days of supply, days of restock, FIFO, LIFO to find which variables could be more fixed to save cost of delivered products.. They seem to have control over manufacturing and shipping. It's not just in time, but close. They've reduced the record keeping hassle of varying material costs, age of inventory, cost of inventory (interest on line of credit tied to on-hand stock) this way. The biggest shift of burdens is updating website listings without becoming so fluid that pricing is different every time an item is viewed online. Andy Cheatham Pittsburgh On Friday, April 5, 2024 at 12:57:25 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote: > Thanks again, Garth. I just ordered 10X 2.0, 2.18, and 2.35 mm Shimano > spacers for total of $30.20 with shipping and tax. AE did well with my > clumsily-placed orders of Shimano 10 sp cogs (instead of thinking ahead and > making 1 order for 3 different sizes I frenziedly hit "buy" 3 times and > paid extra for shipping); far easier than trying to get a LBS to find and > order 3 each of 3 cogs, and far cheaper than ordering from Europe, where > shipping costs seem to have tripled since COVID. > > Curious about AliExpress: search for a 22 t Shimano 10 sp cog and you get > 2 dozen offerings many of which give you a price of $0.83 and when you > click "yes please" they don't let you buy more than 1, or else the price > skyrockets to $2.72 -- still very cheap, of course. > > I received my shipments in a bit over a week with shipping for small > packages of 3 or 4 cogs under $7, which leads me to wonder if they don't > have warehouses scattered around in their biggest markets, like the US? > > At any rate, with spacers of 3 different widths I figure I'm well sorted > for any cassette build; as Garth very helpfully pointed out, Miche 10-sp > Shimano substitute cogs are 0.2 mm wider in the body (1.8 mm versus 1.6 mm > for Shimano cogs) tho' their teeth are 1.6 mm; which means that they take 2 > mm instead of 2.35 mm spacers -- the total width is about 36 mm in either > case. > > But the cassette I built on Saturday with 10 1.6 mm cogs and 9 2 mm > spacers shifts just as well and identically to the other 10 sp cassetted > made from 10 Miche cogs and 9 2 mm spacers, without any derailleur > adjustment; so who knows. I did order 2.18 mm ones to split the difference. > > -- > > Patrick Moore > Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum > > --- > > Executive resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, letters, and other writing > services > > > --- > > *When thou didst not, savage, k**now thine own meaning,* > > *But wouldst gabble like a** thing most brutish,* > > *I endowed thy purposes w**ith words that made them known.* > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/32d43358-adcb-4217-8321-fb8512f35a48n%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [RBW] Re: AliExpress
For the 13-25 (Soma slick wheelset) I bought about 3 cassettes' worth of Miche cogs with extras for the high-use gears, and the outer/small is a dedicated outer/small with its own spacer. For the new 14-25 knobby cassette I bought 3 14-25 9 speeds from Peter White ($28 each, not bad) and disassembled them to replace the spacers and swap the 21 for a 20 and the 23 for a 22 and add a 28 after the 25. So the 14 outer is a proper Shimano outer with its own spacer (I guess that this spacer is 2.5 mm? I used Miche 2 mm spacers for the rest of the cassette; it all shifts perfectly [and the 7402 short cage climbs onto the 28 with no fuss at all, with capacity to spare]. For a some-time-ago Ram I built a 15-25 9 speed cassette out of Miche cogs*, and Miche made 15 and 14 t outers for Shimano with built-in spacers; I think these are used among other places for junior racing. But I've used all sorts of cogs for the outer position, sometimes just cramming a regular inner-position cog into first place and just squeezing it tightly in place with a lot of torque on the lockring. I've never had one of these skip, but then I rarely use the outer and certainly not under high torque. *I got a lovely DA 7410 crank and wanted to use it in place of the TA 46/28 13-something, so I swapped out the 53/39 for a very compact 52/38 and built the 15-25 to give me very similar gears with the much bigger rings. On Fri, Apr 5, 2024 at 11:57 AM Garth wrote: > I ordered some things on Mar. 27th Patrick and they arrived April 3rd. The > USPS label had a NJ address, but it said "not for returns". Then I noticed > that label was placed over another label, so I peeled it back as best I > could and sure enough, I saw an all Chinese printed label, the only English > I saw was my name. So they must send these via air from China to NJ and > relabel them with a USPS label. You being in NM they'll likely come from a > West coast location upon arrival from China. I didn't pay anything extra > for shipping either. > > When you make your own cassettes Patrick, what do you use for the small > cog next to the lockring ? I see only the 11t and 12t serrated cogs are > sold, but I know Miche and Shimano sell cassettes with 13,14 and 15t > smallest cogs. Do you just tighten up against a regular cog without the > serrations ? > On Friday, April 5, 2024 at 12:57:25 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote: > >> Thanks again, Garth. I just ordered 10X 2.0, 2.18, and 2.35 mm Shimano >> spacers for total of $30.20 with shipping and tax. AE did well with my >> clumsily-placed orders of Shimano 10 sp cogs (instead of thinking ahead and >> making 1 order for 3 different sizes I frenziedly hit "buy" 3 times and >> paid extra for shipping); far easier than trying to get a LBS to find and >> order 3 each of 3 cogs, and far cheaper than ordering from Europe, where >> shipping costs seem to have tripled since COVID. >> >> Curious about AliExpress: search for a 22 t Shimano 10 sp cog and you get >> 2 dozen offerings many of which give you a price of $0.83 and when you >> click "yes please" they don't let you buy more than 1, or else the price >> skyrockets to $2.72 -- still very cheap, of course. >> >> I received my shipments in a bit over a week with shipping for small >> packages of 3 or 4 cogs under $7, which leads me to wonder if they don't >> have warehouses scattered around in their biggest markets, like the US? >> >> At any rate, with spacers of 3 different widths I figure I'm well sorted >> for any cassette build; as Garth very helpfully pointed out, Miche 10-sp >> Shimano substitute cogs are 0.2 mm wider in the body (1.8 mm versus 1.6 mm >> for Shimano cogs) tho' their teeth are 1.6 mm; which means that they take 2 >> mm instead of 2.35 mm spacers -- the total width is about 36 mm in either >> case. >> >> But the cassette I built on Saturday with 10 1.6 mm cogs and 9 2 mm >> spacers shifts just as well and identically to the other 10 sp cassetted >> made from 10 Miche cogs and 9 2 mm spacers, without any derailleur >> adjustment; so who knows. I did order 2.18 mm ones to split the difference. >> >> -- >> >> Patrick Moore >> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum >> >> --- >> >> Executive resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, letters, and other writing >> services >> >> >> --- >> >> *When thou didst not, savage, k**now thine own meaning,* >> >> *But wouldst gabble like a** thing most brutish,* >> >> *I endowed thy purposes w**ith words that made them known.* >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit >
[RBW] Re: AliExpress
I ordered some things on Mar. 27th Patrick and they arrived April 3rd. The USPS label had a NJ address, but it said "not for returns". Then I noticed that label was placed over another label, so I peeled it back as best I could and sure enough, I saw an all Chinese printed label, the only English I saw was my name. So they must send these via air from China to NJ and relabel them with a USPS label. You being in NM they'll likely come from a West coast location upon arrival from China. I didn't pay anything extra for shipping either. When you make your own cassettes Patrick, what do you use for the small cog next to the lockring ? I see only the 11t and 12t serrated cogs are sold, but I know Miche and Shimano sell cassettes with 13,14 and 15t smallest cogs. Do you just tighten up against a regular cog without the serrations ? On Friday, April 5, 2024 at 12:57:25 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote: > Thanks again, Garth. I just ordered 10X 2.0, 2.18, and 2.35 mm Shimano > spacers for total of $30.20 with shipping and tax. AE did well with my > clumsily-placed orders of Shimano 10 sp cogs (instead of thinking ahead and > making 1 order for 3 different sizes I frenziedly hit "buy" 3 times and > paid extra for shipping); far easier than trying to get a LBS to find and > order 3 each of 3 cogs, and far cheaper than ordering from Europe, where > shipping costs seem to have tripled since COVID. > > Curious about AliExpress: search for a 22 t Shimano 10 sp cog and you get > 2 dozen offerings many of which give you a price of $0.83 and when you > click "yes please" they don't let you buy more than 1, or else the price > skyrockets to $2.72 -- still very cheap, of course. > > I received my shipments in a bit over a week with shipping for small > packages of 3 or 4 cogs under $7, which leads me to wonder if they don't > have warehouses scattered around in their biggest markets, like the US? > > At any rate, with spacers of 3 different widths I figure I'm well sorted > for any cassette build; as Garth very helpfully pointed out, Miche 10-sp > Shimano substitute cogs are 0.2 mm wider in the body (1.8 mm versus 1.6 mm > for Shimano cogs) tho' their teeth are 1.6 mm; which means that they take 2 > mm instead of 2.35 mm spacers -- the total width is about 36 mm in either > case. > > But the cassette I built on Saturday with 10 1.6 mm cogs and 9 2 mm > spacers shifts just as well and identically to the other 10 sp cassetted > made from 10 Miche cogs and 9 2 mm spacers, without any derailleur > adjustment; so who knows. I did order 2.18 mm ones to split the difference. > > -- > > Patrick Moore > Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum > > --- > > Executive resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, letters, and other writing > services > > > --- > > *When thou didst not, savage, k**now thine own meaning,* > > *But wouldst gabble like a** thing most brutish,* > > *I endowed thy purposes w**ith words that made them known.* > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/2a8afb1b-8c26-4abd-9918-98632283ec66n%40googlegroups.com.
