For the 13-25 (Soma slick wheelset) I bought about 3 cassettes' worth of Miche cogs with extras for the high-use gears, and the outer/small is a dedicated outer/small with its own spacer.
For the new 14-25 knobby cassette I bought 3 14-25 9 speeds from Peter White ($28 each, not bad) and disassembled them to replace the spacers and swap the 21 for a 20 and the 23 for a 22 and add a 28 after the 25. So the 14 outer is a proper Shimano outer with its own spacer (I guess that this spacer is 2.5 mm? I used Miche 2 mm spacers for the rest of the cassette; it all shifts perfectly [and the 7402 short cage climbs onto the 28 with no fuss at all, with capacity to spare]. For a some-time-ago Ram I built a 15-25 9 speed cassette out of Miche cogs*, and Miche made 15 and 14 t outers for Shimano with built-in spacers; I think these are used among other places for junior racing. But I've used all sorts of cogs for the outer position, sometimes just cramming a regular inner-position cog into first place and just squeezing it tightly in place with a lot of torque on the lockring. I've never had one of these skip, but then I rarely use the outer and certainly not under high torque. *I got a lovely DA 7410 crank and wanted to use it in place of the TA 46/28 13-something, so I swapped out the 53/39 for a very compact 52/38 and built the 15-25 to give me very similar gears with the much bigger rings. On Fri, Apr 5, 2024 at 11:57 AM Garth <garth...@gmail.com> wrote: > I ordered some things on Mar. 27th Patrick and they arrived April 3rd. The > USPS label had a NJ address, but it said "not for returns". Then I noticed > that label was placed over another label, so I peeled it back as best I > could and sure enough, I saw an all Chinese printed label, the only English > I saw was my name. So they must send these via air from China to NJ and > relabel them with a USPS label. You being in NM they'll likely come from a > West coast location upon arrival from China. I didn't pay anything extra > for shipping either. > > When you make your own cassettes Patrick, what do you use for the small > cog next to the lockring ? I see only the 11t and 12t serrated cogs are > sold, but I know Miche and Shimano sell cassettes with 13,14 and 15t > smallest cogs. Do you just tighten up against a regular cog without the > serrations ? > On Friday, April 5, 2024 at 12:57:25 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote: > >> Thanks again, Garth. I just ordered 10X 2.0, 2.18, and 2.35 mm Shimano >> spacers for total of $30.20 with shipping and tax. AE did well with my >> clumsily-placed orders of Shimano 10 sp cogs (instead of thinking ahead and >> making 1 order for 3 different sizes I frenziedly hit "buy" 3 times and >> paid extra for shipping); far easier than trying to get a LBS to find and >> order 3 each of 3 cogs, and far cheaper than ordering from Europe, where >> shipping costs seem to have tripled since COVID. >> >> Curious about AliExpress: search for a 22 t Shimano 10 sp cog and you get >> 2 dozen offerings many of which give you a price of $0.83 and when you >> click "yes please" they don't let you buy more than 1, or else the price >> skyrockets to $2.72 -- still very cheap, of course. >> >> I received my shipments in a bit over a week with shipping for small >> packages of 3 or 4 cogs under $7, which leads me to wonder if they don't >> have warehouses scattered around in their biggest markets, like the US? >> >> At any rate, with spacers of 3 different widths I figure I'm well sorted >> for any cassette build; as Garth very helpfully pointed out, Miche 10-sp >> Shimano substitute cogs are 0.2 mm wider in the body (1.8 mm versus 1.6 mm >> for Shimano cogs) tho' their teeth are 1.6 mm; which means that they take 2 >> mm instead of 2.35 mm spacers -- the total width is about 36 mm in either >> case. >> >> But the cassette I built on Saturday with 10 1.6 mm cogs and 9 2 mm >> spacers shifts just as well and identically to the other 10 sp cassetted >> made from 10 Miche cogs and 9 2 mm spacers, without any derailleur >> adjustment; so who knows. 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