Re: [RBW] Re: Another perspective, by George!

2012-12-17 Thread Ron Mc
Have to agree that we don't hang on anything. That's the realm of the trendy. If anything, we're retrogeeks, the total opposites of trendy. We got here on our own, and like Grant's copy because he puts our own thoughts into words that we hadn't taken the trouble to write down. On Friday,

Re: [RBW] Re: Another perspective, by George!

2012-12-17 Thread numbnuts
Hey All, OP here. I enjoyed the conversation. Thanks to all! Smooth tracks, Chris Redding, Ca. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit

Re: [RBW] Re: Another perspective, by George!

2012-12-15 Thread robert zeidler
Absolutely correct! Furthermore, all these folks that hang on Grant's words to either agree or disagree. I don't get it. It's not like we hang out or anything, but over the years, all the way back to the BOB days, I've had some really nice chats with Grant. I find him to be a pretty nice

[RBW] Re: Another perspective, by George!

2012-12-14 Thread Jan Heine
With all respect to the writer, I think the review focuses on the wrong things. If Grant had written a book about the history of racing, then the exact number of Merckx's victories would be important. However, in the context of Just Ride, 450 or 525 doesn't make a difference. It's a lot.

[RBW] Re: Another perspective, by George!

2012-12-14 Thread rob markwardt
I wouldn't get to hung up on George's review.  I don't think reviewing books is his thing. You want to talk about a guy who just rideshttp://www.chicagoreader.com/chicago/lifestylesearn-local- ride-global/Content?oid=923718.  He also watched 70 films in twelve days AND watched every inning of

[RBW] Re: Another perspective, by George!

2012-12-13 Thread Matthew J
Bravo. I tried clipless when it was new - did not like it. Few years back tried again to see how advances in technology might change my feelings. Still don't like it. Cannot begin to count how many total strangers have wondered when I am going to get with clipless. And heck, my bikes

Re: [RBW] Re: Another perspective, by George!

2012-12-13 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Thu, 2012-12-13 at 06:26 -0800, Matthew J wrote: And heck, my bikes have Campy Super Record, MKS Kierin and White Industry platform pedals respectively. One would think even the most casual cyclists would be aware that I have put a lot of thought (and $) into my pedal choices. Do you

Re: [RBW] Re: Another perspective, by George!

2012-12-13 Thread Matthew J
Do you think for a moment _casual_ cyclists have any idea about high end road pedals of any kind? I'll bet most _casual_ cyclists don't give any thought to their pedals at all, whatever came with the bike is fine, etc. Used casual cyclists as reducio ad absurdam. Most who question my

Re: [RBW] Re: Another perspective, by George!

2012-12-13 Thread Kelly
I went back to platform a couple of years ago. No toe clips just bmx style pedals and I love them. I speak for myself in that. Platforms are better for me and I see no perceptible performance loss. Several people I know just like being attached. It's nice to have quality products on both

Re: [RBW] Re: Another perspective, by George!

2012-12-13 Thread IanA
This thread seems to have deviated from the title, but it's interesting anyway. I've ridden clipped in (mountain bike shoes) and found it comfortable. The mountain bike shoes had a stiff sole and the pedals were Shimano m545, which have a cage that offers great foot support. I did over

Re: [RBW] Re: Another perspective, by George!

2012-12-12 Thread Joe Bernard
Due to various job/life situations, I haven't ridden near as much as I would have liked in the past year. If it weren't for the Just Ride philosophy GP established starting in the latter days of Bridgestone, I probably woudn't have ridden at all. I would have believed that if I didn't have

[RBW] Re: Another perspective, by George!

2012-12-12 Thread Ron Mc
I enjoy reading Grant's copy - old Bridgestone cats are a hoot. Style is part of it, and opinions are the rest. After all that, keeping alive the timelessness of good bicycles is important. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/Raleigh/araleigh003-1.jpg In

[RBW] Re: Another perspective, by George!

2012-12-12 Thread pb
Thanks, Grant, for your graceful and open reply. As I wish you and your business well, I'm glad that you read my post, for whatever it may be worth. I'll shoot you an email off-list. On Tuesday, December 11, 2012 3:47:00 PM UTC-8, gep7...@gmail.com wrote: .. -- You received this

[RBW] Re: Another perspective, by George!

2012-12-12 Thread Matthew J
But what I find offensive (that may be too stronga word) are the notions that serious riders dress, ride bikes like, and train like racers. Agree with this completely. For the most part I ignore stuff about bikes and riding I don't cotton to. Life is too short. But this whole notion

[RBW] Re: Another perspective, by George!

2012-12-12 Thread Ron Mc
I ride a lot of city park trails, especially with my daughter, or there's a 26-mile-round paved trail that I hit a lot just for a weekly aerobic ride if no place else comes to mind. We see a lot of the same lycra guys there, and many of them are smug if not condescending about upright bikes

[RBW] Re: Another perspective, by George!

2012-12-12 Thread William
I used to think it mattered who I passed and who passed me. I don't think that anymore. I ring my bell hello at all of them. On Wednesday, December 12, 2012 3:43:35 PM UTC-8, Ron Mc wrote: I ride a lot of city park trails, especially with my daughter, or there's a 26-mile-round paved

Re: [RBW] Re: Another perspective, by George!

2012-12-12 Thread Mojo
Thanks Patrick Moore for speaking my mind. I do not have one cycling friend that agrees on all the nuances that complicates the category that is bicycle riding. But we are still friends. I read Grant's cycling musings and he sounds like one of my guys who has figured things out in his own way.

[RBW] Re: Another perspective, by George!

2012-12-12 Thread Ron Mc
and William, in the post you replied to, I used the word I twice in 200 words - you used it 4 times in 80 words - think about it. On Wednesday, December 12, 2012 6:55:36 PM UTC-6, William wrote: I used to think it mattered who I passed and who passed me. I don't think that anymore. I

[RBW] Re: Another perspective, by George!

2012-12-12 Thread dougP
Grant: If you publish stuff, someone, somewhere, will be offended. Guaranteed. Don't be sorry. The other side of balance beam is that you give voice to a lot of ideas / opinions / thoughts that bubble around in a lot of our heads but never make it into print. I don't agree with everything

[RBW] Re: Another perspective, by George!

2012-12-12 Thread William
Of course I use first person singular a lot. I'm smug! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/XKxfLafMDdUJ. To post to this group, send

[RBW] Re: Another perspective, by George!

2012-12-12 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
I had a lot of concrete ideas about bikes and cycling before I opened a neighborhood bike shop 7 years ago. All my customers have their own ideas about how bikes should be or how best to ride bikes, and all of them are correct! Sometimes, though, they need a little encouragement. For example,

[RBW] Re: Another perspective, by George!

2012-12-12 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
Continuing from above... when I tell them there's no need to go clipless! I don't use clipless pedals. This, of course, does not mean I discourage clipless lovers from loving clipless. I just defuse the peer pressure for people who clearly aren't ready for such an advancement in their bike

[RBW] Re: Another perspective, by George!

2012-12-11 Thread RJM
Not much of a book review. On Monday, December 10, 2012 10:29:09 AM UTC-6, numbnuts wrote: http://georgethecyclist.blogspot.com/2012/12/grant-petersons-racing-acumen.html Regards, Chris Redding, Ca. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW

[RBW] Re: Another perspective, by George!

2012-12-11 Thread Ron Mc
old George may want to skin a few teeth, but I don't think his audience is big enough to affect Grant Petersen's audience one way or another. On Monday, December 10, 2012 10:29:09 AM UTC-6, numbnuts wrote: http://georgethecyclist.blogspot.com/2012/12/grant-petersons-racing-acumen.html

[RBW] Re: Another perspective, by George!

2012-12-11 Thread pb
I do not have a dog in this hunt, I really don't care one way or the other, and I didn't read the book, but I will note the following: - The story of George is interesting (click through the photo to read about him). The guy rides a bike, and I suspect that Grant would enjoy meeting him.

Re: [RBW] Re: Another perspective, by George!

2012-12-11 Thread Peter Morgano
I have read a lot in my life and never has someone who made stuff I wanted offended me so much as to make me stop buying it outside of racism, hate speak and that kind of thing. I think the issue a lot of people have with Grant is they imagine their is some equivalency in the strength and power

[RBW] Re: Another perspective, by George!

2012-12-11 Thread William
In my opinion, George's bike is 4cm (or so) too small for him. On Monday, December 10, 2012 8:29:09 AM UTC-8, numbnuts wrote: http://georgethecyclist.blogspot.com/2012/12/grant-petersons-racing-acumen.html Regards, Chris Redding, Ca. -- You received this message because you are

[RBW] Re: Another perspective, by George!

2012-12-11 Thread Mike Schiller
I find George kinda interesting His sorta review of the book is just as quirky as he is. He is still a bike messenger at my age! ( 55) and he does a lot of nice long bike tours too. His obsession with bike racing lore is really out there. While I'm a big fan or professional cycling and have

[RBW] Re: Another perspective, by George!

2012-12-11 Thread gep71154
I never TRY to offend people, but it sometimes happens and I'm always sorry for it. My opinions about bikes are about bikes, and not the people who ride them, but of course---I'm this way myself-I tend to take equipment-comments personally. When I set out to do the Reader--and catalogues

Re: [RBW] Re: Another perspective, by George!

2012-12-11 Thread PATRICK MOORE
I tried to stay away from this thread, but this post makes me speak. I haven't read the book, but I've read most of what Grant has written since 1994, and my take on his opinions and style is that, if anyone is offended by what GP says, he or she deserves to be offended. There's not an offensive

Re: [RBW] Re: Another perspective, by George!

2012-12-11 Thread Toshi Takeuchi
I definitely agree with the message Grant is promoting, which basically challenges/discards the turn-offs of cycling that prevent more people from getting out there and riding. Don't not-ride because you think you have to wear special clothes to ride. Don't not-ride because you think you need to

Re: [RBW] Re: Another perspective, by George!

2012-12-11 Thread David T.
Is this part of the whole paleo thing? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/-Nq8UmdUjngJ. To post to this group, send email to

[RBW] Re: Another perspective, by George!

2012-12-10 Thread dougP
For starters, he mis-spells Grant's last name throughout the review. George's photo (I assume it's George) is taken on bike loaded down for a tour, George wearing long pants to boot. He then gets into details about the TdF / BORAF history? George is a card carrying grump in his way. Yea,

[RBW] Re: Another perspective, by George!

2012-12-10 Thread charlie
He never mentioned much about the actual contents of the book.only picking up on the TDF stuff and picking on GP's recollection of Eddie's exact stats, spelling of derailleur (Sheldon's way) and a incomplete recollection of a early TDF event which wasn't the intent (I don't believe) of