[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Presale

[Mike Godwin]

And Scott is in Tucson, so once on the line, clothes are dry in 10 minutes.

Mike "where the wind blows all the time to dry stuff"  San Luis Obispo CA

On Tuesday, January 28, 2020 at 8:12:17 AM UTC-8 Scott Calhoun wrote:

> OK more laundry stuff. One of the reasons it’s easier for Europeans to not 
> have dryers, is that the compact frontloading washers they use have super 
> high RPM spin cycles. When we returned back and needed a new washer we 
> found a scratch and dent Electrolux compact with a spin cycle of 1400 RPM. 
> Our clothes come out nearly dry.
>
> Scott, “spin to win” Calhoun

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Presale

[Grady Wright]

Currently out of stock but Rivendell has started selling 9s Chains for 
their long chainstays. 

https://www.rivbike.com/collections/chains/products/long-chain


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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Presale

['Je Mar' via RBW Owners Bunch]

On the SunTour. Nice. 

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Presale

[Ken Yokanovich]

Thank you. Metal fender installation is a labor of love. Conservative 
estimate would be that i have 6 hours to do the install. 2 of that would be 
in the fabrication of the spacer for under the fork crown.Getting the 
fore-aft angle just right and the profile to fit the fender.  This a 
combination of one of the final test fits and final product:

[image: Fender Bit.JPG]



I got a good a squat workout in from standing, squatting, installing, and 
removed my wheels so many times!  Tire and fender size were a nice match, 
ample clearance all around with zero rattling or movement.  The Rene Herse 
fender eyebolts 
https://www.renehersecycles.com/shop/components/fenders/classic-eyebolts/ 
make for a nice tight mount on the stays. Much nicer and warrant what seems 
like a lot of money for 4 bolts Of course the hours toiling over correct 
drilling location more than exceeds the material cost :D


On Monday, March 23, 2020 at 6:20:34 PM UTC-5, lambbo wrote:
>
> Wow, that's an incredible bike!  The fender line is on the verge of 
> poetic, so balanced and still. Did you install them yourself?  Also 
> impressed by the clarity of the bike, despite a big rear rack and a front 
> bag. 
>
> On Monday, March 23, 2020 at 6:08:02 PM UTC-4, Ken Yokanovich wrote:
>>
>> My project stalled for a few days with a lack of motivation. My whole 
>> plan started with new found optimism and a plan to use up some bike part 
>> inventory and re-purpose some wheels. In hindsight, maybe I wish I had 
>> stuck to the plan and questioned my optimism?! 
>>
>> I finally turned sleepless nights into something productive over the last 
>> several days to complete the build and get out on a couple hour shakedown 
>> ride on my new orange 57cm Rivendell Joe Appaloosa. I wound up ordering a 
>> few more parts than I had intended - rear hub and brakes from Rivendell, 
>> fenders from Sim-Works.  It's an eclectic mix of old and new parts.  I was 
>> very pleased with initial results and am looking forward to more adventures 
>> together
>>
>> [image: Joe.JPG]
>>
>> Much geekery for those interested in some of the details could read about 
>> it here: 
>> https://reflectorcollector.blogspot.com/2020/03/so-i-named-it-miele.html
>>
>> Additional photos can be found over on Flikr https://flic.kr/s/aHsmM8MPDX
>>
>> Bill - hoping to read about how your project is coming along.
>>
>> On Sunday, January 26, 2020 at 1:04:09 PM UTC-6, Bill F wrote:
>>>
>>> Appaloosa presale is up today.   
>>>
>>> I pulled the trigger on a blue 60 cm for my first Rivendell.
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Presale

[Bill F]

Ken, the bike looks great!

I went with bosco bullmoose bars and canti brakes too.

The bike rides really well and the bars offer a wide range of riding positions. 
I ended up taping the front/middle portion because the "time trial" position 
I'd comfortable for faster riding or into headwind.

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Presale

[j.schwartz]

one of the best oranges Riv has done , especially lately 




On Monday, March 23, 2020 at 7:06:33 PM UTC-4, Ann L wrote:
>
> Beautiful bike and congratulations!  I am intrigued by the chain 
> ring/crank set up.  What components did you use?
>
> On Sunday, January 26, 2020 at 1:04:09 PM UTC-6, Bill F wrote:
>>
>> Appaloosa presale is up today.   
>>
>> I pulled the trigger on a blue 60 cm for my first Rivendell.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Presale

[lambbo]

Wow, that's an incredible bike!  The fender line is on the verge of poetic, 
so balanced and still. Did you install them yourself?  Also impressed by 
the clarity of the bike, despite a big rear rack and a front bag. 

On Monday, March 23, 2020 at 6:08:02 PM UTC-4, Ken Yokanovich wrote:
>
> My project stalled for a few days with a lack of motivation. My whole plan 
> started with new found optimism and a plan to use up some bike part 
> inventory and re-purpose some wheels. In hindsight, maybe I wish I had 
> stuck to the plan and questioned my optimism?! 
>
> I finally turned sleepless nights into something productive over the last 
> several days to complete the build and get out on a couple hour shakedown 
> ride on my new orange 57cm Rivendell Joe Appaloosa. I wound up ordering a 
> few more parts than I had intended - rear hub and brakes from Rivendell, 
> fenders from Sim-Works.  It's an eclectic mix of old and new parts.  I was 
> very pleased with initial results and am looking forward to more adventures 
> together
>
> [image: Joe.JPG]
>
> Much geekery for those interested in some of the details could read about 
> it here: 
> https://reflectorcollector.blogspot.com/2020/03/so-i-named-it-miele.html
>
> Additional photos can be found over on Flikr https://flic.kr/s/aHsmM8MPDX
>
> Bill - hoping to read about how your project is coming along.
>
> On Sunday, January 26, 2020 at 1:04:09 PM UTC-6, Bill F wrote:
>>
>> Appaloosa presale is up today.   
>>
>> I pulled the trigger on a blue 60 cm for my first Rivendell.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Presale

['Ann L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Beautiful bike and congratulations!  I am intrigued by the chain ring/crank 
set up.  What components did you use?

On Sunday, January 26, 2020 at 1:04:09 PM UTC-6, Bill F wrote:
>
> Appaloosa presale is up today.   
>
> I pulled the trigger on a blue 60 cm for my first Rivendell.

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Presale

[Chris L]

Nice!

I always really enjoy seeing Riv's with regular flat bars, instead of the 
pullbacks that most have.  



On Tuesday, March 3, 2020 at 8:58:52 AM UTC-6, Reid Echols wrote:
>
> Well, naturally I can’t resist a chance to post Ol’ Blue. Newly shod with 
> Cliffhangers and Thunder Burts these days and still riding more like a 
> sloop than a schooner. 
>
> Reid in Austin

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Presale

[Bill F]

Thanks!

All of the accolades for Riv's comfort and handling are not overstated, the 
ride is amazing.

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Presale

[Ken Yokanovich]

Wow, looks great Bill. I have been accumulating various parts in anticipation. 
Hoping to get notice one of these days that my frame has been shipped.

Can’t help humming “Anticipation”
https://youtu.be/0IobpIKshr8

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Presale

[Joe Bernard]

I hope someone here grabbed the mustard Appa on Ebay. It was only there about a 
minute. 

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Presale

[S]

Great looking build! Makes me regret I missed out on the blue in my size. 
Excellent choice for a first Riv. 

On Sunday, March 1, 2020 at 12:16:54 PM UTC-8, Bill F wrote:
>
> On Sunday, January 26, 2020 at 1:04:09 PM UTC-6, Bill F wrote:
> > Appaloosa presale is up today.  
> > 
> > I pulled the trigger on a blue 60 cm for my first Rivendell.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Presale

[Chris L]

Grant has stated that Paul Price gave them permission to copy his brake 
release design and those on the Appaloosa seem to have the regular release 
that most or all Shimano V brakes have.   

I am looking forward to RBW's new brakes.  If they come in black, I might 
be sorely tempted. 




On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 2:48:43 PM UTC-6, Hetchins52 wrote:
>
> The bike does look great!
>
> First “XT” dyno hub I’ve seen, too.
>
> What are those V-brakes? The parts listing simply says “Shimano” though 
> there is no badging and the shoes seem to bolt into a trough.
> Similar to TRP CX brakes but the noodle stop is different.
> Perhaps the Mystery Rivendell v-brakes?
>
> David Lipsky 
> Berkeley
>
>
> On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 9:46:13 AM UTC-8, Jed Sachen wrote:
>>
>> There are photos of an orange Appa built up here: 
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/bluelug/49550764836/in/photostream/
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Presale

['Hetchins52' via RBW Owners Bunch]

The bike does look great!

First “XT” dyno hub I’ve seen, too.

What are those V-brakes? The parts listing simply says “Shimano” though 
there is no badging and the shoes seem to bolt into a trough.
Similar to TRP CX brakes but the noodle stop is different.
Perhaps the Mystery Rivendell v-brakes?

David Lipsky 
Berkeley


On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 9:46:13 AM UTC-8, Jed Sachen wrote:
>
> There are photos of an orange Appa built up here: 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/bluelug/49550764836/in/photostream/
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Presale

[Joe Bernard]

And I can vouch for the Susie orange looking amazing in person. Online it looks 
different in every picture, and probably different on your device than mine. 

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Presale

[Jed Sachen]

There are photos of an orange Appa built up here: 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/bluelug/49550764836/in/photostream/

been up for a few days, looks great!


On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 11:35:31 AM UTC-6, Grady Wright wrote:
>
> I got a call from Will yesterday saying that my frame has arrived and will 
> be shipping soon. I asked him about the orange color and he said that the 
> color is like the Susie orange. He said the photo's posted by Blue Lug 
> don't represent  the actual color.
> Looking forward to seeing all the new Appaloosa builds!  
>

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Presale

[Grady Wright]

I got a call from Will yesterday saying that my frame has arrived and will 
be shipping soon. I asked him about the orange color and he said that the 
color is like the Susie orange. He said the photo's posted by Blue Lug 
don't represent  the actual color.
Looking forward to seeing all the new Appaloosa builds!  

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Presale

[Applegate]

On Sunday, 26 January 2020 11:04:09 UTC-8, Bill F  wrote:
> Appaloosa presale is up today.  
> 
> I pulled the trigger on a blue 60 cm for my first Rivendell.

Make that FOURTH photo.

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Presale

[Applegate]

On Sunday, 26 January 2020 11:04:09 UTC-8, Bill F  wrote:
> Appaloosa presale is up today.  
> 
> I pulled the trigger on a blue 60 cm for my first Rivendell.


https://www.instagram.com/p/B8gd3-fFT1m/?igshid=8z6e695not98

Third photo! Much less red than the Blue Lug e-commerce photos I linked the 
other day. I’m enjoying this mystery more than I have reason to.

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Presale

[Ken Yokanovich]

Okay, now getting even more excited. Must exercise tremendous self restraint in 
buying parts. Shall see how it reveals itself once in the stand.

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Presale

[Roberta]

Sort of orange-red.   Very sophisticated.  More subdued than the bright 
oranges they sometimes use.  This and the Hillborne orange are now my fav 
Riv oranges.

Roberta (Butterscotch Joe Appaloosa)

On Sunday, February 9, 2020 at 6:26:24 PM UTC-5, Applegate wrote:
>
> Blue Lug now has a product page for that orange Appaloosa 
> 
> .
>
>
>
> On Sunday, 26 January 2020 11:30:29 UTC-8, Je Mar wrote:
>>
>> Congratulations!  I’d love to see the orange one in this new batch - 
>> anyone?
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Presale

['Je Mar' via RBW Owners Bunch]

My goodness. That looks good. 

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Presale

[Dorothy C]

Gorgeous. Looks a bit brighter than the Susie orange.

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Presale

[Steve Cole]

I tried to post the Riv Appaloosa Pre-Order webpage but no luck.  The 
website says the sizes are:  48, 51, 54, 57, and 60 cm.  In an earlier 
email from Riv, Will (perhaps it was Grant) noted that the geometry is 
virtually identical to that of the new MIT Atlantis except colors and sizes 
differ.  The MIT Atlantis sizes are: 47, 50 53, 55, 59, 62 cm.  If one can 
live with the color, size can be dialed in better with these choices than 
for many other Riv frames.

On Sunday, January 26, 2020 at 12:04:09 PM UTC-7, Bill F wrote:
>
> Appaloosa presale is up today.   
>
> I pulled the trigger on a blue 60 cm for my first Rivendell.

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Presale

[Steve Cole]

Here's the preorder sizing on the Riv website:



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2020 Appaloosa Framset - Preorder

$1,500.00

Size
46CM PREORDER
51CM PREORDER
54CM PREORDER
57CM PREORDER
60CM PREORDER

On Sunday, January 26, 2020 at 12:04:09 PM UTC-7, Bill F wrote:
>
> Appaloosa presale is up today.   
>
> I pulled the trigger on a blue 60 cm for my first Rivendell.

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Presale

[Mark Roland]

The "newly updated" 2019 PBH and size chart lists the Apoloosa 55/58. I guess 
they changed for 2020, but the only other chart on the website is the 2017.

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Presale

[Mark C]

I was just looking at the Rivendell site and see that the mid sizes is 
actually 54 and 57, not 54 and 58, and that the 57 would be fine for me. I 
think some info in this thread might be from a previous run. 

Just didn't want to be spreading bad info. The bike is still lovely and 
very tempting.

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Presale

[Joe Bernard]

That's correct, Will hadn't even seen the orange (he mentioned this somewhere) 
'til the Blue Lug photos. 

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Presale

[Mark C]

Oh my, that is pretty. It may even beat out the creamsicle Rambouillet for 
prettiest Rivendell, at least to my taste. I take it I've missed the 
presale now. I was struggling with size; it is hard for me to imagine 
getting a 54" when my other Rivs are 60 to 62. The sizing of the Susie feel 
in a perfect place for me, but just couldn't convince myself I needed that 
bike. And the Appaloosa is really still more bike than I need, but that 
picture might have swayed me. I assume they ordered the bikes, and picked 
the color, but did not have a picture yet of the finished product.

For now I think I'm back to finding the biggest tire I can fit on my 
Rambouillet. 

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Presale

[Dorothy C]

It would have been nice if Riv could have posted a clearer picture of the 
orange while the presale was still on. I already have 2 blue Rivendells.

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Presale

[Melanie]

Rambouillet Orange was spectacular. 

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Presale

[tc]

Looks very close to the old sidepull Sam. Would need to compare in the same 
light. Regardless, beautiful!



Tom

On Sunday, February 2, 2020 at 1:59:41 AM UTC-5, Grady Wright wrote:
> The Orange in Better light. It’s perfect.

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Presale

[j.schwartz]

So far looks pretty great..
I think Oranges are tricky to get right and I don't think Rivendell always 
nails with their oranges. ...
I do also think the Butterscotch color from the Original Apps should be an 
always color for that bike..like Hunqapillar Green or Atlantis Submarine 
Green

On Sunday, February 2, 2020 at 4:34:16 AM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Yep, that's what I'm seeing. That color looks even better in person, 
> although I must express the sacrilege that I like it better on the Susie 
> without the creamy headtube. I know!

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Presale

[Joe Bernard]

Yep, that's what I'm seeing. That color looks even better in person, although I 
must express the sacrilege that I like it better on the Susie without the 
creamy headtube. I know!

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Presale

['Hetchins52' via RBW Owners Bunch]

So, same orange as the Susie/Wolbis orange?
Looks it to my eyes.

David
Berkeley

On Saturday, February 1, 2020 at 10:59:41 PM UTC-8, Grady Wright wrote:
>
> The Orange in Better light. It’s perfect. 

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Presale

[Mark Roland]

Definitely exciting. Great bike, great name. Kind of the new flagship 
model, really. As for discs and bigger tires, no doubt they are fun. I 
bought a Jones Complete in 2018, when Clem Ls were scarce on the ground. I 
had to sell my first one for financial reasons. Anyway, I enjoyed the 
Jones, but ultimately I liked the Clem L more--more versatile, easier to 
fender and rack, better climber, better descender, better looks--so I sold 
the Jones and got another Clem. YMMV.
Re size. Looks like the Joes are 55/58? and you are on the borderline of a 
51/55, so plenty big. 58 starts at a PBH of 89-90. Unless I'm missing 
something here.


On Saturday, February 1, 2020 at 1:21:37 PM UTC-5, MAP wrote:
>
> I bought one! An Appaloosa that is, not a dryer.
> It'll be my first Rivendell.  I've been a fan for years now.
> But I was torn on what to buy.  I wrote Will, asking for an Appaloosa and 
> I got my wish. 
> I'll go with this and then see if I really want bigger tires or disc 
> brakes.  I'd rather try Riv first.
> I'm 5'11" and measured my PBH at 85 cm and was told to get the 54 cm frame.
> Again, I was torn on that or to get the 57 cm.  But I think their bikes 
> are big enough to not worry about sizing down a tad.
> Excited,
> -Matt
> in San Diego
>
>
> On Monday, January 27, 2020 at 9:56:05 AM UTC-8, Mark Roland wrote:
>>
>> I "snap" 'em a few times, and might hand-smooth quickly before and/or 
>> after hanging. If the hand pressing doesn't do it, any apparent stiffness 
>> goes away once you put it on and your body heat hits it. Ditto usually for 
>> any wrinkles of note. I've done controlled testing with line-dry vs. 
>> machine dry, nobody could tell the difference. Except the line dry smells 
>> nicer. I think it adds to the longevity of the clothes, too.
>>
>> There was an article years ago in an UTNE Reader that listed the Five 
>> most useful inventions, Clothes line, condom, bicycle, fan, can't remember 
>> the last one. Re: deodorant stains. Also years ago, Grant wrote something 
>> about rubbing with a bit of soap right after showering instead, which I do 
>> to this day. However, since the holiday, I am experimenting with this, 
>> from our local soap-making company 
>> . According to my 
>> salesperson (they have a factory near the river, and a retail shop on the 
>> creek next to my house) it will last for a year or more. So far no 
>> complaints! Just don't drop it. 
>>
>> On Monday, January 27, 2020 at 11:05:26 AM UTC-5, Benz, Sunnyvale, CA 
>> wrote: *So now that we've fully transitioned to clothes lines, any tips 
>> and tricks to getting cotton stuff (T-shirts and the like) from becoming 
>> cardboard stiff and wrinkly by being dried on a clothes line? I don't go 
>> overboard with detergent and use fabric softener when applicable. The dryer 
>> gets them soft and fluffy, and if you evacuate the load in a timely manner 
>> to fold them, the clothes stay wrinkle-free.*
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Presale

[Joe Bernard]

I think we need to see it in the light. That pic looks much darker than the 
rust-orange Susie I rode around RBW. 

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Presale

[Bill F]

Really nice color.  Not sure I would have called it orange, though. Reminds me 
of the burnt sienna crayon.

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Presale

[S]

Wow. That's a great color. 

On Saturday, February 1, 2020 at 11:36:50 AM UTC-8, j.schwartz wrote:
>
> FYI 
> Blue Lug posted a photo of the new burnt orange Appaloosa today on their 
> Instagram 
> See pic 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> n Saturday, February 1, 2020 at 1:31:58 PM UTC-5, Roberta wrote: 
> > Fantastic!  Congratulations!  I love my bike and think you got the right 
> size.  I have 83 pbh and the 51 fits me perfectly!  So, I think with your 
> pbh at 85, the 54 will fit you great.  I have the chocomoose handlebars and 
> a flyer saddle; it originally had a b17, which was also fine for my 
> semi-sit up, semi-lean over style. 
> > 
> > 
> > Roberta 
> > 
> > On Saturday, February 1, 2020 at 1:21:37 PM UTC-5, MAP wrote: 
> > I bought one! An Appaloosa that is, not a dryer. 
> > It'll be my first Rivendell.  I've been a fan for years now. 
> > But I was torn on what to buy.  I wrote Will, asking for an Appaloosa 
> and I got my wish.  
> > I'll go with this and then see if I really want bigger tires or disc 
> brakes.  I'd rather try Riv first. 
> > I'm 5'11" and measured my PBH at 85 cm and was told to get the 54 cm 
> frame. 
> > Again, I was torn on that or to get the 57 cm.  But I think their bikes 
> are big enough to not worry about sizing down a tad. 
> > Excited, 
> > -Matt 
> > in San Diego 
> > 
> > 
> > On Monday, January 27, 2020 at 9:56:05 AM UTC-8, Mark Roland wrote: 
> > I "snap" 'em a few times, and might hand-smooth quickly before and/or 
> after hanging. If the hand pressing doesn't do it, any apparent stiffness 
> goes away once you put it on and your body heat hits it. Ditto usually for 
> any wrinkles of note. I've done controlled testing with line-dry vs. 
> machine dry, nobody could tell the difference. Except the line dry smells 
> nicer. I think it adds to the longevity of the clothes, too. 
> > 
> > 
> > There was an article years ago in an UTNE Reader that listed the Five 
> most useful inventions, Clothes line, condom, bicycle, fan, can't remember 
> the last one. Re: deodorant stains. Also years ago, Grant wrote something 
> about rubbing with a bit of soap right after showering instead, which I do 
> to this day. However, since the holiday, I am experimenting with this, from 
> our local soap-making company. According to my salesperson (they have a 
> factory near the river, and a retail shop on the creek next to my house) it 
> will last for a year or more. So far no complaints! Just don't drop it.  
> > 
> > On Monday, January 27, 2020 at 11:05:26 AM UTC-5, Benz, Sunnyvale, CA 
> wrote: So now that we've fully transitioned to clothes lines, any tips and 
> tricks to getting cotton stuff (T-shirts and the like) from becoming 
> cardboard stiff and wrinkly by being dried on a clothes line? I don't go 
> overboard with detergent and use fabric softener when applicable. The dryer 
> gets them soft and fluffy, and if you evacuate the load in a timely manner 
> to fold them, the clothes stay wrinkle-free. 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Presale

[Roberta]

Fantastic!  Congratulations!  I love my bike and think you got the right 
size.  I have 83 pbh and the 51 fits me perfectly!  So, I think with your 
pbh at 85, the 54 will fit you great.  I have the chocomoose handlebars and 
a flyer saddle; it originally had a b17, which was also fine for my 
semi-sit up, semi-lean over style.

Roberta

On Saturday, February 1, 2020 at 1:21:37 PM UTC-5, MAP wrote:
>
> I bought one! An Appaloosa that is, not a dryer.
> It'll be my first Rivendell.  I've been a fan for years now.
> But I was torn on what to buy.  I wrote Will, asking for an Appaloosa and 
> I got my wish. 
> I'll go with this and then see if I really want bigger tires or disc 
> brakes.  I'd rather try Riv first.
> I'm 5'11" and measured my PBH at 85 cm and was told to get the 54 cm frame.
> Again, I was torn on that or to get the 57 cm.  But I think their bikes 
> are big enough to not worry about sizing down a tad.
> Excited,
> -Matt
> in San Diego
>
>
> On Monday, January 27, 2020 at 9:56:05 AM UTC-8, Mark Roland wrote:
>>
>> I "snap" 'em a few times, and might hand-smooth quickly before and/or 
>> after hanging. If the hand pressing doesn't do it, any apparent stiffness 
>> goes away once you put it on and your body heat hits it. Ditto usually for 
>> any wrinkles of note. I've done controlled testing with line-dry vs. 
>> machine dry, nobody could tell the difference. Except the line dry smells 
>> nicer. I think it adds to the longevity of the clothes, too.
>>
>> There was an article years ago in an UTNE Reader that listed the Five 
>> most useful inventions, Clothes line, condom, bicycle, fan, can't remember 
>> the last one. Re: deodorant stains. Also years ago, Grant wrote something 
>> about rubbing with a bit of soap right after showering instead, which I do 
>> to this day. However, since the holiday, I am experimenting with this, 
>> from our local soap-making company 
>> . According to my 
>> salesperson (they have a factory near the river, and a retail shop on the 
>> creek next to my house) it will last for a year or more. So far no 
>> complaints! Just don't drop it. 
>>
>> On Monday, January 27, 2020 at 11:05:26 AM UTC-5, Benz, Sunnyvale, CA 
>> wrote: *So now that we've fully transitioned to clothes lines, any tips 
>> and tricks to getting cotton stuff (T-shirts and the like) from becoming 
>> cardboard stiff and wrinkly by being dried on a clothes line? I don't go 
>> overboard with detergent and use fabric softener when applicable. The dryer 
>> gets them soft and fluffy, and if you evacuate the load in a timely manner 
>> to fold them, the clothes stay wrinkle-free.*
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Presale

[MAP]

I bought one! An Appaloosa that is, not a dryer.
It'll be my first Rivendell.  I've been a fan for years now.
But I was torn on what to buy.  I wrote Will, asking for an Appaloosa and I 
got my wish. 
I'll go with this and then see if I really want bigger tires or disc 
brakes.  I'd rather try Riv first.
I'm 5'11" and measured my PBH at 85 cm and was told to get the 54 cm frame.
Again, I was torn on that or to get the 57 cm.  But I think their bikes are 
big enough to not worry about sizing down a tad.
Excited,
-Matt
in San Diego


On Monday, January 27, 2020 at 9:56:05 AM UTC-8, Mark Roland wrote:
>
> I "snap" 'em a few times, and might hand-smooth quickly before and/or 
> after hanging. If the hand pressing doesn't do it, any apparent stiffness 
> goes away once you put it on and your body heat hits it. Ditto usually for 
> any wrinkles of note. I've done controlled testing with line-dry vs. 
> machine dry, nobody could tell the difference. Except the line dry smells 
> nicer. I think it adds to the longevity of the clothes, too.
>
> There was an article years ago in an UTNE Reader that listed the Five most 
> useful inventions, Clothes line, condom, bicycle, fan, can't remember the 
> last one. Re: deodorant stains. Also years ago, Grant wrote something about 
> rubbing with a bit of soap right after showering instead, which I do to 
> this day. However, since the holiday, I am experimenting with this, from 
> our local soap-making company 
> . According to my 
> salesperson (they have a factory near the river, and a retail shop on the 
> creek next to my house) it will last for a year or more. So far no 
> complaints! Just don't drop it. 
>
> On Monday, January 27, 2020 at 11:05:26 AM UTC-5, Benz, Sunnyvale, CA 
> wrote: *So now that we've fully transitioned to clothes lines, any tips 
> and tricks to getting cotton stuff (T-shirts and the like) from becoming 
> cardboard stiff and wrinkly by being dried on a clothes line? I don't go 
> overboard with detergent and use fabric softener when applicable. The dryer 
> gets them soft and fluffy, and if you evacuate the load in a timely manner 
> to fold them, the clothes stay wrinkle-free.*
>

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Presale

[Mark Roland]

If you lived there before 1938, you wouldn't have;^)

On Wednesday, January 29, 2020 at 8:30:43 PM UTC-5, Scott Calhoun wrote:
>
> Point taken Jack—if I lived in Seattle, I might feel differently about 
> dryers. 

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Presale

[Scott Calhoun]

Point taken Jack—if I lived in Seattle, I might feel differently about dryers. 

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Presale

[Jason D]

Hey Mark C. I am from West Virginia; grew up down around Charleston. What 
part are you in? I'm in Columbus, OH these days with a Clem H if you ever 
get out this way and want to try it out.

On Tuesday, January 28, 2020 at 2:33:36 PM UTC-5, Mark C wrote:
>
> Thank you for the kind offer. I'm in West Virginia, but not all that far 
> from Pittsburgh, PA. I know I've seen one poster from Pittsburgh on here, 
> but think he has pretty much the same bikes as I do.
>
> Joe,
> I think your approach is sound. Both the Susie and Appaloosa are available 
> in orange, and I'm never regretted any orange bike I've bought.
>
> Mark
>
> On Tuesday, January 28, 2020 at 1:58:43 PM UTC-5, Roberta wrote:
>>
>> Mark and Chris,
>>
>> I think my Joe A is a 1st gen--it's 2016 model and you're welcome to test 
>> it out if you're in Philadelphia area.  51 cm.  
>>
>> I'm planning on flying out to test the new Chev.  Of course, my sister 
>> and BBDD both live in NV, so my actual trip is to NV with a side trip to 
>> Riv.  :)
>>
>> Roberta
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 28, 2020 at 12:37:34 PM UTC-5, Mark C wrote:
>>>
>>> Trying one out is really what I'd like to do. I've thought about flying 
>>> out to Riv to try bikes and ride the local trails. I think it is rainy 
>>> there now, plus I probably won't actually go through with the necessary 
>>> flying.
>>>
>>> Susie was actually what I was thinking after talking to Grant a couple 
>>> months ago. I have very limited use for a more stout bike so that seemed 
>>> like it might be a decent compromise. If I just needed a bike I'd pick one 
>>> and give it a go, but what I really need is less bikes.
>>>
>>> I have been experimenting with older mountain bikes this winter and that 
>>> is proving to be a real learning experience, but the bikes I have are 
>>> working fine for that. My interest is mostly in an all rounder with more 
>>> tire clearance and longer stays. It is only on the roughest rides that I 
>>> desire anything more than the Rambouillet, and I imagine that is less than 
>>> 1% of my riding. I think riding the choices would be the only way I could 
>>> ever decide. The only other Rivendell I've seen around here is a friends 
>>> new'ish Homer, and I won't even get a chance to try that before summer. 
>>> That bike, plus my two rough rides of the year, sort of started this quest, 
>>> though I have been intrigued by the Clem for a couple years. 
>>>
>>> I'm kind of sorry I missed the Susie pre-order sale, and will probably 
>>> be sorry if I miss the Appaloosa sale. 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 28, 2020 at 11:56:56 AM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:

 Mark C,

 I consider the Appaloosa, Gus (not Susie) and Clem to all be in the 
 same general "pretty stout" category. If you want a long-stay bike which 
 you can load up and bash over bump and root, I say pick your color and 
 lug/TIG/fillet preference and go have some fun. They're quite different 
 from those Rambouillets and worth trying out, IMO. 

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Appaloosa Presale

[Steven Frederick]

Heh, yeah.  I recall on a tour from the Pacific Ocean (Astoria, WA) to the
Mississippi River (south of RedWing, MN) how the humidity level changed
almost overnight.  We went from hung-out wet stuff being dry in 1/2 an
hour  to leaving it overnight and finding it wetter than when we hung it!
Happened right around the time we crossed the Missouri River as I recall.

On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 1:57 PM jack loudon  wrote:

> Scott: " my wife and I decided we didn’t need a clothes dryer and ditched
> ours"
>
> Says the man who lives in Tucson :)
>
> Jack in perpetually soggy (so it seems...) Seattle
>
> On Tuesday, January 28, 2020 at 8:01:05 AM UTC-8, Scott Calhoun wrote:
>>
>> After a couple of trips to Spain the last few years, where nobody has a
>> dryer, my wife and I decided we didn’t need a clothes dryer and ditched
>> ours. Really, it’s the right choice for the planet—you can feel very good
>> about your Appaloosa now.  Ha ha
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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Presale

[Mark C]

Thank you for the kind offer. I'm in West Virginia, but not all that far 
from Pittsburgh, PA. I know I've seen one poster from Pittsburgh on here, 
but think he has pretty much the same bikes as I do.

Joe,
I think your approach is sound. Both the Susie and Appaloosa are available 
in orange, and I'm never regretted any orange bike I've bought.

Mark

On Tuesday, January 28, 2020 at 1:58:43 PM UTC-5, Roberta wrote:
>
> Mark and Chris,
>
> I think my Joe A is a 1st gen--it's 2016 model and you're welcome to test 
> it out if you're in Philadelphia area.  51 cm.  
>
> I'm planning on flying out to test the new Chev.  Of course, my sister and 
> BBDD both live in NV, so my actual trip is to NV with a side trip to Riv.  
> :)
>
> Roberta
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 28, 2020 at 12:37:34 PM UTC-5, Mark C wrote:
>>
>> Trying one out is really what I'd like to do. I've thought about flying 
>> out to Riv to try bikes and ride the local trails. I think it is rainy 
>> there now, plus I probably won't actually go through with the necessary 
>> flying.
>>
>> Susie was actually what I was thinking after talking to Grant a couple 
>> months ago. I have very limited use for a more stout bike so that seemed 
>> like it might be a decent compromise. If I just needed a bike I'd pick one 
>> and give it a go, but what I really need is less bikes.
>>
>> I have been experimenting with older mountain bikes this winter and that 
>> is proving to be a real learning experience, but the bikes I have are 
>> working fine for that. My interest is mostly in an all rounder with more 
>> tire clearance and longer stays. It is only on the roughest rides that I 
>> desire anything more than the Rambouillet, and I imagine that is less than 
>> 1% of my riding. I think riding the choices would be the only way I could 
>> ever decide. The only other Rivendell I've seen around here is a friends 
>> new'ish Homer, and I won't even get a chance to try that before summer. 
>> That bike, plus my two rough rides of the year, sort of started this quest, 
>> though I have been intrigued by the Clem for a couple years. 
>>
>> I'm kind of sorry I missed the Susie pre-order sale, and will probably be 
>> sorry if I miss the Appaloosa sale. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 28, 2020 at 11:56:56 AM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>> Mark C,
>>>
>>> I consider the Appaloosa, Gus (not Susie) and Clem to all be in the same 
>>> general "pretty stout" category. If you want a long-stay bike which you can 
>>> load up and bash over bump and root, I say pick your color and 
>>> lug/TIG/fillet preference and go have some fun. They're quite different 
>>> from those Rambouillets and worth trying out, IMO. 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Presale

[Roberta]

Mark and Chris,

I think my Joe A is a 1st gen--it's 2016 model and you're welcome to test 
it out if you're in Philadelphia area.  51 cm.  

I'm planning on flying out to test the new Chev.  Of course, my sister and 
BBDD both live in NV, so my actual trip is to NV with a side trip to Riv.  
:)

Roberta



On Tuesday, January 28, 2020 at 12:37:34 PM UTC-5, Mark C wrote:
>
> Trying one out is really what I'd like to do. I've thought about flying 
> out to Riv to try bikes and ride the local trails. I think it is rainy 
> there now, plus I probably won't actually go through with the necessary 
> flying.
>
> Susie was actually what I was thinking after talking to Grant a couple 
> months ago. I have very limited use for a more stout bike so that seemed 
> like it might be a decent compromise. If I just needed a bike I'd pick one 
> and give it a go, but what I really need is less bikes.
>
> I have been experimenting with older mountain bikes this winter and that 
> is proving to be a real learning experience, but the bikes I have are 
> working fine for that. My interest is mostly in an all rounder with more 
> tire clearance and longer stays. It is only on the roughest rides that I 
> desire anything more than the Rambouillet, and I imagine that is less than 
> 1% of my riding. I think riding the choices would be the only way I could 
> ever decide. The only other Rivendell I've seen around here is a friends 
> new'ish Homer, and I won't even get a chance to try that before summer. 
> That bike, plus my two rough rides of the year, sort of started this quest, 
> though I have been intrigued by the Clem for a couple years. 
>
> I'm kind of sorry I missed the Susie pre-order sale, and will probably be 
> sorry if I miss the Appaloosa sale. 
>
> On Tuesday, January 28, 2020 at 11:56:56 AM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> Mark C,
>>
>> I consider the Appaloosa, Gus (not Susie) and Clem to all be in the same 
>> general "pretty stout" category. If you want a long-stay bike which you can 
>> load up and bash over bump and root, I say pick your color and 
>> lug/TIG/fillet preference and go have some fun. They're quite different 
>> from those Rambouillets and worth trying out, IMO. 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Presale

[jack loudon]

Scott: " my wife and I decided we didn’t need a clothes dryer and ditched 
ours"

Says the man who lives in Tucson :)

Jack in perpetually soggy (so it seems...) Seattle

On Tuesday, January 28, 2020 at 8:01:05 AM UTC-8, Scott Calhoun wrote:
>
> After a couple of trips to Spain the last few years, where nobody has a 
> dryer, my wife and I decided we didn’t need a clothes dryer and ditched 
> ours. Really, it’s the right choice for the planet—you can feel very good 
> about your Appaloosa now.  Ha ha

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Presale

[Joe Bernard]

The newest Clem chart shows a slacker headtube, too. I generalized on purpose 
because I think they all will be great as town-and-trail pounders; and 
personally I would choose more on color, construction and price than angles. 
YRMV 

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Presale

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Joe et al,

In a broad sense of "pretty stout", that is likely true, but (I believe?) 
the Gus has geometry differences (a slacker head tube that puts the front 
wheel more forward and that is wondrous on the trail. But I've not ridden 
anything else with the "new" geometry, only having a QB and Hunqapillar to 
compare.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, January 28, 2020 at 9:56:56 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Mark C,
>
> I consider the Appaloosa, Gus (not Susie) and Clem to all be in the same 
> general "pretty stout" category. If you want a long-stay bike which you can 
> load up and bash over bump and root, I say pick your color and 
> lug/TIG/fillet preference and go have some fun. They're quite different 
> from those Rambouillets and worth trying out, IMO. 
>

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Presale

[Mark C]

Trying one out is really what I'd like to do. I've thought about flying out 
to Riv to try bikes and ride the local trails. I think it is rainy there 
now, plus I probably won't actually go through with the necessary flying.

Susie was actually what I was thinking after talking to Grant a couple 
months ago. I have very limited use for a more stout bike so that seemed 
like it might be a decent compromise. If I just needed a bike I'd pick one 
and give it a go, but what I really need is less bikes.

I have been experimenting with older mountain bikes this winter and that is 
proving to be a real learning experience, but the bikes I have are working 
fine for that. My interest is mostly in an all rounder with more tire 
clearance and longer stays. It is only on the roughest rides that I desire 
anything more than the Rambouillet, and I imagine that is less than 1% of 
my riding. I think riding the choices would be the only way I could ever 
decide. The only other Rivendell I've seen around here is a friends new'ish 
Homer, and I won't even get a chance to try that before summer. That bike, 
plus my two rough rides of the year, sort of started this quest, though I 
have been intrigued by the Clem for a couple years. 

I'm kind of sorry I missed the Susie pre-order sale, and will probably be 
sorry if I miss the Appaloosa sale. 

On Tuesday, January 28, 2020 at 11:56:56 AM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Mark C,
>
> I consider the Appaloosa, Gus (not Susie) and Clem to all be in the same 
> general "pretty stout" category. If you want a long-stay bike which you can 
> load up and bash over bump and root, I say pick your color and 
> lug/TIG/fillet preference and go have some fun. They're quite different 
> from those Rambouillets and worth trying out, IMO. 
>

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Presale

[Joe Bernard]

Mark C,

I consider the Appaloosa, Gus (not Susie) and Clem to all be in the same 
general "pretty stout" category. If you want a long-stay bike which you can 
load up and bash over bump and root, I say pick your color and lug/TIG/fillet 
preference and go have some fun. They're quite different from those 
Rambouillets and worth trying out, IMO. 

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Presale

[Chris L]

I forgot to add that the Appaloosa is probably a stouter bike, based on the 
tubing specs Will gave me and what little I've found on the Hunqapillar's 
tube specs.  I'm a really heavy guy so that might result in a noticeable 
difference.


On Tuesday, January 28, 2020 at 10:43:20 AM UTC-6, Chris L wrote:
>
> I would really like to ride a 1st generation 55cm Appaloosa back-to-back 
> with my 54 Hunqapillar.  The front-ends and BB drop are virtually 
> identical, so the only real difference would be chainstay length.  
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 28, 2020 at 9:43:26 AM UTC-6, Mark C wrote:
>>
>>
>> I really would like to try one of Grant's long wheelbase designs and like 
>> the looks of the Appaloosa but I just go around in circles deciding. 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Presale

[Chris L]

I would really like to ride a 1st generation 55cm Appaloosa back-to-back 
with my 54 Hunqapillar.  The front-ends and BB drop are virtually 
identical, so the only real difference would be chainstay length.  





On Tuesday, January 28, 2020 at 9:43:26 AM UTC-6, Mark C wrote:
>
>
> I really would like to try one of Grant's long wheelbase designs and like 
> the looks of the Appaloosa but I just go around in circles deciding. 
>

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Presale

[Scott Calhoun]

OK more laundry stuff. One of the reasons it’s easier for Europeans to not have 
dryers, is that the compact frontloading washers they use have super high RPM 
spin cycles. When we returned back and needed a new washer we found a scratch 
and dent Electrolux compact with a spin cycle of 1400 RPM. Our clothes come out 
nearly dry.

Scott, “spin to win” Calhoun

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Presale

[Mark Roland]

Odor free, Roberta. If you do place an order, try one of their soaps--they 
are fragrant, but only during the bathing experience--no lingering scents, 
all natural. A fun one is the Kaleidosoap--this is the bar made at the end 
of the week by the soapmaker with all the remnants of the other flavors! On 
a side note, the old threat of washing a kid's mouth out with soap doesn't 
seem to be as scary, what with ingredients like goats milk and peppermint 
and what have you. Which of course reminds me of the infamous Soap Sandwich 
.

On Tuesday, January 28, 2020 at 4:44:51 AM UTC-5, Roberta wrote:
>
> On Monday, January 27, 2020 at 12:56:05 PM UTC-5, Mark Roland wrote: 
> > I "snap" 'em a few times, and might hand-smooth quickly before and/or 
> after hanging. If the hand pressing doesn't do it, any apparent stiffness 
> goes away once you put it on and your body heat hits it. Ditto usually for 
> any wrinkles of note. I've done controlled testing with line-dry vs. 
> machine dry, nobody could tell the difference. Except the line dry smells 
> nicer. I think it adds to the longevity of the clothes, too. 
> > 
> > 
> > There was an article years ago in an UTNE Reader that listed the Five 
> most useful inventions, Clothes line, condom, bicycle, fan, can't remember 
> the last one. Re: deodorant stains. Also years ago, Grant wrote something 
> about rubbing with a bit of soap right after showering instead, which I do 
> to this day. However, since the holiday, I am experimenting with this, from 
> our local soap-making company. According to my salesperson (they have a 
> factory near the river, and a retail shop on the creek next to my house) it 
> will last for a year or more. So far no complaints! Just don't drop it.  
> > 
> > On Monday, January 27, 2020 at 11:05:26 AM UTC-5, Benz, Sunnyvale, CA 
> wrote: So now that we've fully transitioned to clothes lines, any tips and 
> tricks to getting cotton stuff (T-shirts and the like) from becoming 
> cardboard stiff and wrinkly by being dried on a clothes line? I don't go 
> overboard with detergent and use fabric softener when applicable. The dryer 
> gets them soft and fluffy, and if you evacuate the load in a timely manner 
> to fold them, the clothes stay wrinkle-free. 
>
> I use same smoothing and body heat method as Mark and get same results. I 
> don't use fabric softener. 
>
> Mark, thanks for the info about the stone.  This is the first one I've 
> seen that has no aluminum.  Is it odor free, too?  If so, I'm going to try 
> it. Then I'll go on a long ride on my Appaloosa to test it out! 

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Presale

[Scott Calhoun]

After a couple of trips to Spain the last few years, where nobody has a dryer, 
my wife and I decided we didn’t need a clothes dryer and ditched ours. Really, 
it’s the right choice for the planet—you can feel very good about your 
Appaloosa now.  Ha ha

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Presale

[Mark C]

Lint catcher!  And probably other errors. I'm new here and used to being 
able to edit posts on other forums but can't seem to find that here. The 
errors always just jump out after I see the post live. Oh well, probably 
better entertainment value.

Mark

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Presale

[Mark C]

I'm enjoying the way this thread has gone, but then I am thinking of an 
Appaloosa, and do air dry most of my clothes.

I strongly prefer the stiffer feel of shirts and pants (all kinds) when air 
dried but my wife does not, so it is going to be a personal preference. 
That soft fluffy feel from the clothes drier just feels like damage to me. 
Look at what comes out of the link catcher. Plus the heat. Still, it would 
be a bit of work to live without the convenience of our 30 year old dryer, 
though it only gets used for towels, underwear, and bedding. That is mostly 
for convenience. And it would be a lot of work and real estate to handle a 
larger families clothing.

I really would like to try one of Grant's long wheelbase designs and like 
the looks of the Appaloosa but I just go around in circles deciding. I 
think the biggest issue is that my two Rambouillets have been such nearly 
ideal bikes for so long now. I don't need more weight carrying or 
durability, but am interested in the longer wheelbase ride I remember from 
early mountain bikes, plus a bit more tire clearance. The Appaloosa is very 
appealing, but then so are the new Hillibikes, and the descendants of my 
Rambouillet. And the Clem, though I'm now leaning leaner.

I guess a bigger garage must be the correct answer. 

Carry on with this interesting discussion.

Mark

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Presale

[Roberta]

On Monday, January 27, 2020 at 12:56:05 PM UTC-5, Mark Roland wrote:
> I "snap" 'em a few times, and might hand-smooth quickly before and/or after 
> hanging. If the hand pressing doesn't do it, any apparent stiffness goes away 
> once you put it on and your body heat hits it. Ditto usually for any wrinkles 
> of note. I've done controlled testing with line-dry vs. machine dry, nobody 
> could tell the difference. Except the line dry smells nicer. I think it adds 
> to the longevity of the clothes, too.
> 
> 
> There was an article years ago in an UTNE Reader that listed the Five most 
> useful inventions, Clothes line, condom, bicycle, fan, can't remember the 
> last one. Re: deodorant stains. Also years ago, Grant wrote something about 
> rubbing with a bit of soap right after showering instead, which I do to this 
> day. However, since the holiday, I am experimenting with this, from our local 
> soap-making company. According to my salesperson (they have a factory near 
> the river, and a retail shop on the creek next to my house) it will last for 
> a year or more. So far no complaints! Just don't drop it. 
> 
> On Monday, January 27, 2020 at 11:05:26 AM UTC-5, Benz, Sunnyvale, CA wrote: 
> So now that we've fully transitioned to clothes lines, any tips and tricks to 
> getting cotton stuff (T-shirts and the like) from becoming cardboard stiff 
> and wrinkly by being dried on a clothes line? I don't go overboard with 
> detergent and use fabric softener when applicable. The dryer gets them soft 
> and fluffy, and if you evacuate the load in a timely manner to fold them, the 
> clothes stay wrinkle-free.

I use same smoothing and body heat method as Mark and get same results. I don't 
use fabric softener.

Mark, thanks for the info about the stone.  This is the first one I've seen 
that has no aluminum.  Is it odor free, too?  If so, I'm going to try it. Then 
I'll go on a long ride on my Appaloosa to test it out! 

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Presale

[Mark Roland]

I "snap" 'em a few times, and might hand-smooth quickly before and/or after 
hanging. If the hand pressing doesn't do it, any apparent stiffness goes 
away once you put it on and your body heat hits it. Ditto usually for any 
wrinkles of note. I've done controlled testing with line-dry vs. machine 
dry, nobody could tell the difference. Except the line dry smells nicer. I 
think it adds to the longevity of the clothes, too.

There was an article years ago in an UTNE Reader that listed the Five most 
useful inventions, Clothes line, condom, bicycle, fan, can't remember the 
last one. Re: deodorant stains. Also years ago, Grant wrote something about 
rubbing with a bit of soap right after showering instead, which I do to 
this day. However, since the holiday, I am experimenting with this, from 
our local soap-making company 
. According to my 
salesperson (they have a factory near the river, and a retail shop on the 
creek next to my house) it will last for a year or more. So far no 
complaints! Just don't drop it. 

On Monday, January 27, 2020 at 11:05:26 AM UTC-5, Benz, Sunnyvale, CA 
wrote: *So now that we've fully transitioned to clothes lines, any tips and 
tricks to getting cotton stuff (T-shirts and the like) from becoming 
cardboard stiff and wrinkly by being dried on a clothes line? I don't go 
overboard with detergent and use fabric softener when applicable. The dryer 
gets them soft and fluffy, and if you evacuate the load in a timely manner 
to fold them, the clothes stay wrinkle-free.*

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Presale

[Benz, Sunnyvale, CA]

On Monday, January 27, 2020 at 7:08:58 AM UTC-8, Ken Yokanovich wrote:
>
> My photo did not come through on the first post.  I've been living with a 
> "clothes line" and folding drying rack in my bedroom for quite some time. 
> In the summer - I'm old-school and hang almost all of my laundry on the 
> line outside. I've long been an advocate of saving energy and love the 
> smell of fresh laundry dried outside. Laundry tip in the category of TMI: 
> hanging tee shirts outside with the arm pits exposed is THE BEST way to 
> eliminate any yellowing of the pits or to remove residual caking caused by 
> deodorant.
>

So now that we've fully transitioned to clothes lines, any tips and tricks 
to getting cotton stuff (T-shirts and the like) from becoming cardboard 
stiff and wrinkly by being dried on a clothes line? I don't go overboard 
with detergent and use fabric softener when applicable. The dryer gets them 
soft and fluffy, and if you evacuate the load in a timely manner to fold 
them, the clothes stay wrinkle-free.

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Presale

[John McClusky]

Ken,

Installing a retractable clothesline in the garage or laundry room will have 
you doubling down on saving the planet.  Think of how much more you’ll enjoy 
that Appaloosa with all that positive karma onboard!

Enjoy it
John
Niles, CA

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Presale

[Bill F]

Thanks.  I am looking forward to getting it built up.  

It will be my first experience with swept back bars (Bosco). I've been hauling 
kids on a Big Dummy so it might take a minute to adjust to the Joe's shorter 
chainstays.

I thought I was breaking news with this post on Weds 1/22, but it looks like it 
takes a few days to get your first post approved.

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Presale

[Grady Wright]

After a lot of near purchases I finally ponied up and pre-ordered  the 60cm 
Orange Appaloosa. My first Rivendell as well. It was the trifecta of model, 
color, and size that I couldn't not buy it. I feel so broke now but I am 
really looking forward to my new bike!. 

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Presale

[Roberta]

Bill,  Congratulations.  My Joe A was my first Riv and has brought me so 
much happiness over the years.  I hope it does the same for you.  You got a 
beautiful color, which looks even better in person. (I saw it on the Chev 
in person.)

Ken, For $20, you could get a wooden fold out clothes dryer to hang your 
clothes on.  That way when your electric dryer goes kaput, you'll still 
have dry clothes AND a smile on your face from the Appaloosa.

Roberta (owns 3 wooden fold out clothes dryers and rarely uses the electric 
one, except for towels)

On Sunday, January 26, 2020 at 2:04:09 PM UTC-5, Bill F wrote:
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> Appaloosa presale is up today.   
>
> I pulled the trigger on a blue 60 cm for my first Rivendell.

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Presale

[Ken Yokanovich]

I had been saving and shopping for a replacement clothes dryer. Read the 
notice of the presale, hesitated for a brief moment, then made the 
decision. 

I think I’ll get by for a little longer WITHOUT the reliability of a new 
appliance. I’d much rather have a new bike. :D

On Sunday, January 26, 2020 at 1:04:09 PM UTC-6, Bill F wrote:
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> Appaloosa presale is up today.   
>
> I pulled the trigger on a blue 60 cm for my first Rivendell.

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