Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis on Tahoe singletrack

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Ha! For that level of technical climbing, I use LCG. Lowest common gear. 
The gear every bike comes with. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, August 3, 2020 at 1:19:02 PM UTC-6, Clark Fitzgerald wrote:
>
> Patrick, I believe you're right, it's a matter of experience. For the 
> first few rides descending fast, rough dirt roads it felt strange and 
> unfamiliar to have the rear end moving around so far behind me. It felt 
> like it was jumping around. Now I don't even notice that, but I do notice 
> the smoothness and tracking from the long wheelbase.
>
> It's the technical climbing that gets me- where you have to trackstand, 
> bounce sideways, thread the needle through some rocks, hop up ledges, and 
> so on. I can't ride that terrain well on any bike, so the wheelbase 
> probably isn't at fault. 
>
> On Sun, Aug 2, 2020 at 1:03 PM 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> "Except for the shorter wheelbase, the Gus/Susie is the bike you 
>> describe."
>>
>> And a brilliant ride. My experience with Gus is the long wheelbase is 
>> rarely to never a detriment, and always an asset. Smooth, better climbing, 
>> better flow. Experience teaches the taking of slightly different curves in 
>> the technical areas, but generally speaking point the front one where you 
>> want to go and the rear follows smoothly, even if it goes over a bit more. 
>> Need proof? Search YouTube for "downhill tandem MTB" and realize: oh. None 
>> issue. Grin.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> On Sunday, August 2, 2020 at 1:44:58 PM UTC-6, S wrote:
>>>
>>> On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 9:16:43 PM UTC-7 Clark Fitzgerald wrote:
>>>
 If I could ride here regularly I'd prefer a rigid mountain bike. In 
 particular, I'd like a bike with wider, knobby tires, much lower standover 
 for when I have to hop off, a higher bottom bracket for less pedal strike, 
 higher handlebars for descending, and a tighter wheelbase to thread 
 through 
 the granite boulders. 

>>>
>>> Thanks for sharing the photos.
>>>
>>> Except for the shorter wheelbase, the Gus/Susie is the bike you 
>>> describe. 
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis on Tahoe singletrack

[Clark Fitzgerald]

Patrick, I believe you're right, it's a matter of experience. For the first
few rides descending fast, rough dirt roads it felt strange and unfamiliar
to have the rear end moving around so far behind me. It felt like it was
jumping around. Now I don't even notice that, but I do notice the
smoothness and tracking from the long wheelbase.

It's the technical climbing that gets me- where you have to trackstand,
bounce sideways, thread the needle through some rocks, hop up ledges, and
so on. I can't ride that terrain well on any bike, so the wheelbase
probably isn't at fault. 

On Sun, Aug 2, 2020 at 1:03 PM 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> "Except for the shorter wheelbase, the Gus/Susie is the bike you describe."
>
> And a brilliant ride. My experience with Gus is the long wheelbase is
> rarely to never a detriment, and always an asset. Smooth, better climbing,
> better flow. Experience teaches the taking of slightly different curves in
> the technical areas, but generally speaking point the front one where you
> want to go and the rear follows smoothly, even if it goes over a bit more.
> Need proof? Search YouTube for "downhill tandem MTB" and realize: oh. None
> issue. Grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Sunday, August 2, 2020 at 1:44:58 PM UTC-6, S wrote:
>>
>> On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 9:16:43 PM UTC-7 Clark Fitzgerald wrote:
>>
>>> If I could ride here regularly I'd prefer a rigid mountain bike. In
>>> particular, I'd like a bike with wider, knobby tires, much lower standover
>>> for when I have to hop off, a higher bottom bracket for less pedal strike,
>>> higher handlebars for descending, and a tighter wheelbase to thread through
>>> the granite boulders.
>>>
>>
>> Thanks for sharing the photos.
>>
>> Except for the shorter wheelbase, the Gus/Susie is the bike you describe.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis on Tahoe singletrack

[S]

Yeah, I can understand that. I, too, would love to own a Susie/Gus, but I 
don't do enough trail riding to justify the purchase. 

On Sunday, August 2, 2020 at 1:18:26 PM UTC-7 Clark Fitzgerald wrote:

> Yes, I test rode a Susie and loved it, so I ordered one back in December. 
> But I couldn't bear to wait, so I ended up with the Atlantis, which is a 
> much better fit for the riding I do on a daily basis.
>
> On Sun, Aug 2, 2020 at 12:45 PM S  wrote:
>
>> On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 9:16:43 PM UTC-7 Clark Fitzgerald wrote:
>>
>>> If I could ride here regularly I'd prefer a rigid mountain bike. In 
>>> particular, I'd like a bike with wider, knobby tires, much lower standover 
>>> for when I have to hop off, a higher bottom bracket for less pedal strike, 
>>> higher handlebars for descending, and a tighter wheelbase to thread through 
>>> the granite boulders. 
>>>
>>
>> Thanks for sharing the photos.
>>
>> Except for the shorter wheelbase, the Gus/Susie is the bike you describe. 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis on Tahoe singletrack

[Clark Fitzgerald]

Yes, I test rode a Susie and loved it, so I ordered one back in December.
But I couldn't bear to wait, so I ended up with the Atlantis, which is a
much better fit for the riding I do on a daily basis.

On Sun, Aug 2, 2020 at 12:45 PM S  wrote:

> On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 9:16:43 PM UTC-7 Clark Fitzgerald wrote:
>
>> If I could ride here regularly I'd prefer a rigid mountain bike. In
>> particular, I'd like a bike with wider, knobby tires, much lower standover
>> for when I have to hop off, a higher bottom bracket for less pedal strike,
>> higher handlebars for descending, and a tighter wheelbase to thread through
>> the granite boulders.
>>
>
> Thanks for sharing the photos.
>
> Except for the shorter wheelbase, the Gus/Susie is the bike you describe.
>
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[RBW] Re: Atlantis on Tahoe singletrack

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

"Except for the shorter wheelbase, the Gus/Susie is the bike you describe."

And a brilliant ride. My experience with Gus is the long wheelbase is 
rarely to never a detriment, and always an asset. Smooth, better climbing, 
better flow. Experience teaches the taking of slightly different curves in 
the technical areas, but generally speaking point the front one where you 
want to go and the rear follows smoothly, even if it goes over a bit more. 
Need proof? Search YouTube for "downhill tandem MTB" and realize: oh. None 
issue. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Sunday, August 2, 2020 at 1:44:58 PM UTC-6, S wrote:
>
> On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 9:16:43 PM UTC-7 Clark Fitzgerald wrote:
>
>> If I could ride here regularly I'd prefer a rigid mountain bike. In 
>> particular, I'd like a bike with wider, knobby tires, much lower standover 
>> for when I have to hop off, a higher bottom bracket for less pedal strike, 
>> higher handlebars for descending, and a tighter wheelbase to thread through 
>> the granite boulders. 
>>
>
> Thanks for sharing the photos.
>
> Except for the shorter wheelbase, the Gus/Susie is the bike you describe. 
>

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[RBW] Re: Atlantis on Tahoe singletrack

[S]

On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 9:16:43 PM UTC-7 Clark Fitzgerald wrote:

> If I could ride here regularly I'd prefer a rigid mountain bike. In 
> particular, I'd like a bike with wider, knobby tires, much lower standover 
> for when I have to hop off, a higher bottom bracket for less pedal strike, 
> higher handlebars for descending, and a tighter wheelbase to thread through 
> the granite boulders. 
>

Thanks for sharing the photos.

Except for the shorter wheelbase, the Gus/Susie is the bike you describe. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis on Tahoe singletrack

[James Warren]

Awesome!

I saw a grey and kidney bean Hunqapillar there 2 weeks ago. It was underneath 
me the whole time.

I went up Western States Trail and up The Wall from Squaw Valley to get to the 
Rim Trail. Someone on the trail, also on a mountain bike, said to me, “You’re 
doing great on that bike.”


> On Aug 2, 2020, at 8:08 AM, Brendan Willard  wrote:
> 
> Great shot!  I was just up there with my rigid Ti motobecane 29er on 2.55s 
> and it was great fun, but I was standing still next to the squish crowd (I 
> blame acclimatization ;)). I rode some of the Truckee River Bike Path and 
> Tahoe Rim Trail.  
> 
> 
> 
> Speaking in Thumbs 
> 
>>> On Aug 2, 2020, at 4:56 AM, Ryan M.  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> Looks like fun riding; the Atlantis looks like it is in its element out 
>> there. It is such a great, versatile bike.
>> 
>> Rigid mtbs are fun and I've found a nice cushy set of grips helps a lot to 
>> smooth out the ride especially when riding over the smaller bumps like roots 
>> and rougher gravel. I have a Niner Sir9 setup as a rigid single speed mtb 
>> and I just love riding it even though I generally go slower and tend to ride 
>> not as far compared to a full suspension rig. 
>> 
>> Man, that place looks familiar even though I've never been but I just 
>> realized I follow a guy on youtube who does a bunch of dual sporting in that 
>> area and I'm sure that he has videos where he is riding the same stuff on 
>> his motorcycle. 
>>> On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 11:16:43 PM UTC-5 Clark Fitzgerald wrote:
>>> Last week I stretched the limits of what I could do on my Atlantis on some 
>>> trails around Tahoe. The dirt roads were pure bliss, the steep chunky 4x4 
>>> roads were OK, the singletrack was a hoot, and the motorcycle trails were 
>>> impossibly steep. It eventually got too steep to ride, so I stashed the 
>>> bike in the bushes and hiked up to a lake near the Pacific Crest Trail for 
>>> a dip. The hiking was a nice change of pace.
>>> 
>>> I'm not an experienced mountain biker, but I have rented the latest and 
>>> greatest MTB's for a couple day trips in this terrain. You can just point 
>>> those machines downhill, stay loose, and let it rip. In comparison, on the 
>>> Rivendell you really have to pick the right line, like for any rigid bike.
>>> 
>>> If I could ride here regularly I'd prefer a rigid mountain bike. In 
>>> particular, I'd like a bike with wider, knobby tires, much lower standover 
>>> for when I have to hop off, a higher bottom bracket for less pedal strike, 
>>> higher handlebars for descending, and a tighter wheelbase to thread through 
>>> the granite boulders. Even though my big Atlantis lacks all these things, I 
>>> was fine riding it, as long as I stayed within my comfort zone.
>>> 
>>> I thoroughly enjoyed the solitude and lack of technical challenge on the 
>>> dirt roads like this one.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I'm sure there are some heroes out there who could ride the boulders this 
>>> trail heads into. 
>>> 
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[RBW] Re: Atlantis on Tahoe singletrack

[Ryan M.]

Looks like fun riding; the Atlantis looks like it is in its element out 
there. It is such a great, versatile bike.

Rigid mtbs are fun and I've found a nice cushy set of grips helps a lot to 
smooth out the ride especially when riding over the smaller bumps like 
roots and rougher gravel. I have a Niner Sir9 setup as a rigid single speed 
mtb and I just love riding it even though I generally go slower and tend to 
ride not as far compared to a full suspension rig. 

Man, that place looks familiar even though I've never been but I just 
realized I follow a guy on youtube who does a bunch of dual sporting in 
that area and I'm sure that he has videos where he is riding the same stuff 
on his motorcycle. 
On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 11:16:43 PM UTC-5 Clark Fitzgerald wrote:

> Last week I stretched the limits of what I could do on my Atlantis on some 
> trails around Tahoe. The dirt roads were pure bliss, the steep chunky 4x4 
> roads were OK, the singletrack was a hoot, and the motorcycle trails were 
> impossibly steep. It eventually got too steep to ride, so I stashed the 
> bike in the bushes and hiked up to a lake near the Pacific Crest Trail for 
> a dip. The hiking was a nice change of pace.
>
> I'm not an experienced mountain biker, but I have rented the latest and 
> greatest MTB's for a couple day trips in this terrain. You can just point 
> those machines downhill, stay loose, and let it rip. In comparison, on the 
> Rivendell you really have to pick the right line, like for any rigid bike.
>
> If I could ride here regularly I'd prefer a rigid mountain bike. In 
> particular, I'd like a bike with wider, knobby tires, much lower standover 
> for when I have to hop off, a higher bottom bracket for less pedal strike, 
> higher handlebars for descending, and a tighter wheelbase to thread through 
> the granite boulders. Even though my big Atlantis lacks all these things, I 
> was fine riding it, as long as I stayed within my comfort zone.
>
> I thoroughly enjoyed the solitude and lack of technical challenge on the 
> dirt roads like this one.
> [image: tumblr_0ee28e40c2cf3c7f075e7a08b94e845a_3f2ec907_1280.jpg]
>
> I'm sure there are some heroes out there who could ride the boulders this 
> trail heads into. 
> [image: tumblr_01dd3d9657e0164fa92b5ecd1721ad92_783bdc2b_1280.jpg]
>

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