[RBW] Re: Brooks B17 Pre-aged vs. standard
I have two pre-aged saddles, both are Champion Flyer's, one is an S model. Both saddles have around 4000 to 5000 miles on them with no apparent ill-effect. They are both tied in the middle to keep the middle from sagging too much, which makes a person tend to slide forward. On Mar 29, 6:02 pm, Christopher Paul zdree...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Rene, I got a pre-aged brooks on a Raliegh One- Way bike. I had tried unsuccessfully to break in a conventional b-17. I was skeptical of that the pre-aged version would make a difference. However, it was instantly comfortable. I don't know how it will hold up. I have a lot of bikes, so I don't know whether I will ride this frequently enough to really test it. Most of my road bikes have the terry liberator saddle, which is ok for both upright riding, and for going into the drops. Cheers! Chris On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 12:00 AM, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: Does anyone know why the B17 pre-aged looks to have a flat top on catalog pictures but all the other variations of the B17 have the curved top that forces the nose to be pointed upwards so the rear is flat and level and one doesn't slide forward? Is it any better or more comfortable? Longer lasting or not? I've managed to set my B17 saddles so I no longer slide forward, but the nose up prevents me from bending forward too much. Not generally an issue as I'm riding more upright with my Rivendell bikes, but I'm curious about the flat top of the pre-aged version. Would it be as comfortable and avoid the nose up configuration? Any feedback will be appreciated! René -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Brooks B17 Pre-aged vs. standard
I have two B-17 standards. One in honey and one in black. They are the only two Brooks saddles I have ever owned. The honey one I bought in December for my Hillborne. The black one I just put on my new Bombadil. Both of them cam our of the box, off of the card and straight on to my bike. I've never obenauf'ed either one. After one roll late at night up and down the sidewalk on the Bomba, I am already shocked at the difference between the two. The honey one was like sitting in a firm hammock. It had a fair bit of give. I even have given the tighten up nut a half turn. The black one is very firm. Hard as a rock as some may say. I won't get that hyperbolic, but it is noticeably harder. Also, the black one is super slick, like patent leather. The honey one is easy to reposition on, but has a little bit of grip, like a baseball glove. Does every Brooks saddle have it's own personality? It is living beast parts after all. Is black always firmer than honey when brand new? Or have I already softened up the honey one, and have merely forgotten the break in? On Mar 30, 9:15 am, NickBull nick.bike.b...@gmail.com wrote: I have two pre-aged saddles, both are Champion Flyer's, one is an S model. Both saddles have around 4000 to 5000 miles on them with no apparent ill-effect. They are both tied in the middle to keep the middle from sagging too much, which makes a person tend to slide forward. On Mar 29, 6:02 pm, Christopher Paul zdree...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Rene, I got a pre-aged brooks on a Raliegh One- Way bike. I had tried unsuccessfully to break in a conventional b-17. I was skeptical of that the pre-aged version would make a difference. However, it was instantly comfortable. I don't know how it will hold up. I have a lot of bikes, so I don't know whether I will ride this frequently enough to really test it. Most of my road bikes have the terry liberator saddle, which is ok for both upright riding, and for going into the drops. Cheers! Chris On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 12:00 AM, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: Does anyone know why the B17 pre-aged looks to have a flat top on catalog pictures but all the other variations of the B17 have the curved top that forces the nose to be pointed upwards so the rear is flat and level and one doesn't slide forward? Is it any better or more comfortable? Longer lasting or not? I've managed to set my B17 saddles so I no longer slide forward, but the nose up prevents me from bending forward too much. Not generally an issue as I'm riding more upright with my Rivendell bikes, but I'm curious about the flat top of the pre-aged version. Would it be as comfortable and avoid the nose up configuration? Any feedback will be appreciated! René -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Brooks B17 Pre-aged vs. standard
In my experience of a dozen or so, the black Brooks saddles have been harder than the honey ones ‹ sometimes objectionably so. -- Jon ³Papa² Grant Illustration + Information Graphics Austin, Texas jgr...@papagrant.com 512-284-9599 Drawings ‹ all sorts -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Brooks B17 Pre-aged vs. standard
Hmmm...I'll keep that in mind. Thanks for the perspective. On Mar 30, 10:34 am, Jon Grant jgr...@papagrant.com wrote: In my experience of a dozen or so, the black Brooks saddles have been harder than the honey ones ‹ sometimes objectionably so. -- Jon ³Papa² Grant Illustration + Information Graphics Austin, Texas jgr...@papagrant.com 512-284-9599 Drawings ‹ all sorts -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Brooks B17 Pre-aged vs. standard
I've had the same experience with the honey / black. Fortunately the last black B-17 I acquired had been pre-aged by a previous owner. :) My honey saddle is like heaven since new. (after the ~10th ride) I've a green B-17 (ti) that I've had to struggle to break in. I'd say the stiffness was similar to what I have experienced with black saddles. Since backing off the tensioner and applying obenaufer's - and riding it, it's getting to feel much more comfortable. Don't be shy about moving the saddle fore and aft as well as angling the nose. It's all quite dependent on your handlebar height/reach as well. Phil B On Mar 30, 11:29 am, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: Hmmm...I'll keep that in mind. Thanks for the perspective. On Mar 30, 10:34 am, Jon Grant jgr...@papagrant.com wrote: In my experience of a dozen or so, the black Brooks saddles have been harder than the honey ones ‹ sometimes objectionably so. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Brooks B17 Pre-aged vs. standard
On Mar 29, 1:00 am, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: the B17 have the curved top that forces the nose to be pointed upwards so the rear is flat and level and one doesn't slide forward? I never pay attention to the back of a saddle. You don't sit on the back of a saddle; you sit on the middle of the saddle. So I try to line up my saddle so the middle is flat. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Brooks B17 Pre-aged vs. standard
It won't stay flat, the curve will develop as the saddle breaks in. My experience is the same as yours, I can't bend too far forward when using a B17. It suits a semi-upright position best. I have cut out slots in oth my B17 and my Champion Flyer a la the Imperial to relieve some of the pressure of the nose. Comfort is improved, but longevity is still a question. Bill On Mar 29, 12:00 am, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: Does anyone know why the B17 pre-aged looks to have a flat top on catalog pictures but all the other variations of the B17 have the curved top that forces the nose to be pointed upwards so the rear is flat and level and one doesn't slide forward? Is it any better or more comfortable? Longer lasting or not? I've managed to set my B17 saddles so I no longer slide forward, but the nose up prevents me from bending forward too much. Not generally an issue as I'm riding more upright with my Rivendell bikes, but I'm curious about the flat top of the pre-aged version. Would it be as comfortable and avoid the nose up configuration? Any feedback will be appreciated! René -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Brooks B17 Pre-aged vs. standard
Does anyone else ride on the middle of the saddle? I thought the whole idea of a Brooks is to put your weight onto your sitbones so that no weight is on the soft tissue of your perineum. Sitting on the middle of the saddle would seem to make that impossible so that your weight is always on soft tissue. On Mar 29, 4:56 am, happyriding happyrid...@yahoo.com wrote: On Mar 29, 1:00 am, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: the B17 have the curved top that forces the nose to be pointed upwards so the rear is flat and level and one doesn't slide forward? I never pay attention to the back of a saddle. You don't sit on the back of a saddle; you sit on the middle of the saddle. So I try to line up my saddle so the middle is flat. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Brooks B17 Pre-aged vs. standard
Not I. Have always gone with the sitbones on top of the rear. Or at the most, right before in front. Been doing it that way since about 1984 or so. (Give or take the 15 plus years I was off the bike getting fat). Same reason. Sitting further just ain't comfortable. The pre-aged Brooks saddle I tried was really bad in that regard. Way too mushy for my excess weight. (240 to 250 at the time). Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Mar 29, 1:03 pm, NickBull nick.bike.b...@gmail.com wrote: Does anyone else ride on the middle of the saddle? I thought the whole idea of a Brooks is to put your weight onto your sitbones so that no weight is on the soft tissue of your perineum. Sitting on the middle of the saddle would seem to make that impossible so that your weight is always on soft tissue. On Mar 29, 4:56 am, happyriding happyrid...@yahoo.com wrote: On Mar 29, 1:00 am, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: the B17 have the curved top that forces the nose to be pointed upwards so the rear is flat and level and one doesn't slide forward? I never pay attention to the back of a saddle. You don't sit on the back of a saddle; you sit on the middle of the saddle. So I try to line up my saddle so the middle is flat.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Brooks B17 Pre-aged vs. standard
I always use the rear shelf to ride on. Riding in the middle of the saddle causes that discomforting feeling I t'aint going to talk about... :) Btw, makes no difference if it's Brooks or Selle Anatomoica, with/without the cut out. The bones are always aft on the landing pad. From: NickBull nick.bike.b...@gmail.com To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, March 29, 2010 1:03:38 PM Subject: [RBW] Re: Brooks B17 Pre-aged vs. standard Does anyone else ride on the middle of the saddle? I thought the whole idea of a Brooks is to put your weight onto your sitbones so that no weight is on the soft tissue of your perineum. Sitting on the middle of the saddle would seem to make that impossible so that your weight is always on soft tissue. On Mar 29, 4:56 am, happyriding happyrid...@yahoo.com wrote: I never pay attention to the back of a saddle. You don't sit on the back of a saddle; you sit on the middle of the saddle. So I try to line up my saddle so the middle is flat. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Brooks B17 Pre-aged vs. standard
My pre-aged is not flat. It looks pretty much the same as my brother's b17. I have the flyer. It's fantastically comfortable plus I enjoy the more natural color of the leather. I am thinking about a springless b17 and i'd go with the pre-aged again. On Mar 29, 3:00 am, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: Does anyone know why the B17 pre-aged looks to have a flat top on catalog pictures but all the other variations of the B17 have the curved top that forces the nose to be pointed upwards so the rear is flat and level and one doesn't slide forward? Is it any better or more comfortable? Longer lasting or not? I've managed to set my B17 saddles so I no longer slide forward, but the nose up prevents me from bending forward too much. Not generally an issue as I'm riding more upright with my Rivendell bikes, but I'm curious about the flat top of the pre-aged version. Would it be as comfortable and avoid the nose up configuration? Any feedback will be appreciated! René -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Brooks B17 Pre-aged vs. standard
My sitbones are towards the back of the saddle. On Mar 29, 11:03 am, NickBull nick.bike.b...@gmail.com wrote: Does anyone else ride on the middle of the saddle? I thought the whole idea of a Brooks is to put your weight onto your sitbones so that no weight is on the soft tissue of your perineum. Sitting on the middle of the saddle would seem to make that impossible so that your weight is always on soft tissue. On Mar 29, 4:56 am, happyriding happyrid...@yahoo.com wrote: On Mar 29, 1:00 am, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: the B17 have the curved top that forces the nose to be pointed upwards so the rear is flat and level and one doesn't slide forward? I never pay attention to the back of a saddle. You don't sit on the back of a saddle; you sit on the middle of the saddle. So I try to line up my saddle so the middle is flat.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Brooks B17 Pre-aged vs. standard
Yeah, that's the way it is for me too. There are small indentations in the saddle where my sit bones land. If I were to try a different saddle, I'd measure the distance between those: it's probably useful information. On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote: I always use the rear shelf to ride on. Riding in the middle of the saddle causes that discomforting feeling I t'aint going to talk about... :) Btw, makes no difference if it's Brooks or Selle Anatomoica, with/without the cut out. The bones are always aft on the landing pad. -- *From:* NickBull nick.bike.b...@gmail.com *To:* RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Mon, March 29, 2010 1:03:38 PM *Subject:* [RBW] Re: Brooks B17 Pre-aged vs. standard Does anyone else ride on the middle of the saddle? I thought the whole idea of a Brooks is to put your weight onto your sitbones so that no weight is on the soft tissue of your perineum. Sitting on the middle of the saddle would seem to make that impossible so that your weight is always on soft tissue. On Mar 29, 4:56 am, happyriding happyrid...@yahoo.com wrote: I never pay attention to the back of a saddle. You don't sit on the back of a saddle; you sit on the middle of the saddle. So I try to line up my saddle so the middle is flat. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
