Re: [RBW] Re: Chevoit or Clem jr L

[JAS]

Leah,
Your Mom's new handle is outstanding.  You've got a creative kid!  Best 
wishes to your Mom and her new bike.  Love that color!

On Wednesday, May 1, 2019 at 3:51:36 PM UTC-7, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> Wise words from Kiley! You are spot on about step-through issue - I really 
> wish it was a lower bar on my Betty Foy. 
>
> Mom is getting a little light sage Cheviot in 2 weeks, maybe she will 
> weigh in, too. Over dinner on our vacation, we were trying to come up with 
> a name for her on this forum. We turned it over to my devastatingly clever 
> 10 year old boy, and he offered Grammy the most perfect handle EVER.
>
> The Granny Gear.
>
> Coming to a forum near you! 
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 1, 2019, at 10:37 AM, Kiley Demond > 
> wrote:
>
> Oh, oh! I rode both at Riv HQ and picked the Cheviot because I loved the 
> lugs and the shade of orange (which is my favorite color) a pinch more. 
> That choice cost me thousands of dollars over the next few years as I took 
> to swapping out this and that. The Clem standard components would have fit 
> me better initially and I ended up making my Chev more like Clem. The 
> Cheviot's step-thru clearance isn't as significant as I would have liked. 
> And I spent forever trying to get a front fender to work with 55 tires, 
> it's a snap with a Clem. Ultimately, my answer would be that for all day 
> riding and touring, the Cheviot is a better option. For most everything 
> else, Clem is a better option, and you can buy your wife lots of other 
> nifty things with the extra $$;-). (And years before this, I almost bought 
> a Betty Foy. If I had bought that instead of a Dutch bike, I probably 
> wouldn't be writing this at all.)
>
> On Monday, April 29, 2019 at 10:10:07 AM UTC-7, Justin Schoop wrote:
>>
>> My wife has finally shown interest in a nice frame that's more 
>> comfortable than her road bike and surly LHT. I recommended the Clem and 
>> Chevoit and she really likes the idea of the step-thru frames. 
>>
>> Hoping to get more insight into the two and what the major difference 
>> would be. Thanks!
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Chevoit or Clem jr L

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

She may have fallen off the bicycle writing, but she is still very much on 
the internet, blogging about her patterns and knitwear business based in 
Ireland. Accompanied by her stellar photography, of course. Almost makes me 
want to knit. But I think I'll just buy a pair of socks instead.


http://www.lbhandknits.com/

On Thursday, May 2, 2019 at 5:51:21 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> Also, I thought of one last thing to add about the Clementine. Lovely 
> Bicycle did a great review before she fell off of the internet. It’s 
> glowing, and anyone considering a Clem L should read it...
>
> http://lovelybike.blogspot.com/2016/09/clementine-belated-befuddled-bedazzled.html?m=1
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 1, 2019, at 10:37 AM, Kiley Demond > 
> wrote:
>
> Oh, oh! I rode both at Riv HQ and picked the Cheviot because I loved the 
> lugs and the shade of orange (which is my favorite color) a pinch more. 
> That choice cost me thousands of dollars over the next few years as I took 
> to swapping out this and that. The Clem standard components would have fit 
> me better initially and I ended up making my Chev more like Clem. The 
> Cheviot's step-thru clearance isn't as significant as I would have liked. 
> And I spent forever trying to get a front fender to work with 55 tires, 
> it's a snap with a Clem. Ultimately, my answer would be that for all day 
> riding and touring, the Cheviot is a better option. For most everything 
> else, Clem is a better option, and you can buy your wife lots of other 
> nifty things with the extra $$;-). (And years before this, I almost bought 
> a Betty Foy. If I had bought that instead of a Dutch bike, I probably 
> wouldn't be writing this at all.)
>
> On Monday, April 29, 2019 at 10:10:07 AM UTC-7, Justin Schoop wrote:
>>
>> My wife has finally shown interest in a nice frame that's more 
>> comfortable than her road bike and surly LHT. I recommended the Clem and 
>> Chevoit and she really likes the idea of the step-thru frames. 
>>
>> Hoping to get more insight into the two and what the major difference 
>> would be. Thanks!
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Re: [RBW] Re: Chevoit or Clem jr L

[Leah Peterson]

Also, I thought of one last thing to add about the Clementine. Lovely Bicycle 
did a great review before she fell off of the internet. It’s glowing, and 
anyone considering a Clem L should read it...
http://lovelybike.blogspot.com/2016/09/clementine-belated-befuddled-bedazzled.html?m=1

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 1, 2019, at 10:37 AM, Kiley Demond  wrote:
> 
> Oh, oh! I rode both at Riv HQ and picked the Cheviot because I loved the lugs 
> and the shade of orange (which is my favorite color) a pinch more. That 
> choice cost me thousands of dollars over the next few years as I took to 
> swapping out this and that. The Clem standard components would have fit me 
> better initially and I ended up making my Chev more like Clem. The Cheviot's 
> step-thru clearance isn't as significant as I would have liked. And I spent 
> forever trying to get a front fender to work with 55 tires, it's a snap with 
> a Clem. Ultimately, my answer would be that for all day riding and touring, 
> the Cheviot is a better option. For most everything else, Clem is a better 
> option, and you can buy your wife lots of other nifty things with the extra 
> $$;-). (And years before this, I almost bought a Betty Foy. If I had bought 
> that instead of a Dutch bike, I probably wouldn't be writing this at all.)
> 
>> On Monday, April 29, 2019 at 10:10:07 AM UTC-7, Justin Schoop wrote:
>> My wife has finally shown interest in a nice frame that's more comfortable 
>> than her road bike and surly LHT. I recommended the Clem and Chevoit and she 
>> really likes the idea of the step-thru frames. 
>> 
>> Hoping to get more insight into the two and what the major difference would 
>> be. Thanks!
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Re: [RBW] Re: Chevoit or Clem jr L

[Leah Peterson]

Wise words from Kiley! You are spot on about step-through issue - I really wish 
it was a lower bar on my Betty Foy. 

Mom is getting a little light sage Cheviot in 2 weeks, maybe she will weigh in, 
too. Over dinner on our vacation, we were trying to come up with a name for her 
on this forum. We turned it over to my devastatingly clever 10 year old boy, 
and he offered Grammy the most perfect handle EVER.

The Granny Gear.

Coming to a forum near you! 


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> On May 1, 2019, at 10:37 AM, Kiley Demond  wrote:
> 
> Oh, oh! I rode both at Riv HQ and picked the Cheviot because I loved the lugs 
> and the shade of orange (which is my favorite color) a pinch more. That 
> choice cost me thousands of dollars over the next few years as I took to 
> swapping out this and that. The Clem standard components would have fit me 
> better initially and I ended up making my Chev more like Clem. The Cheviot's 
> step-thru clearance isn't as significant as I would have liked. And I spent 
> forever trying to get a front fender to work with 55 tires, it's a snap with 
> a Clem. Ultimately, my answer would be that for all day riding and touring, 
> the Cheviot is a better option. For most everything else, Clem is a better 
> option, and you can buy your wife lots of other nifty things with the extra 
> $$;-). (And years before this, I almost bought a Betty Foy. If I had bought 
> that instead of a Dutch bike, I probably wouldn't be writing this at all.)
> 
>> On Monday, April 29, 2019 at 10:10:07 AM UTC-7, Justin Schoop wrote:
>> My wife has finally shown interest in a nice frame that's more comfortable 
>> than her road bike and surly LHT. I recommended the Clem and Chevoit and she 
>> really likes the idea of the step-thru frames. 
>> 
>> Hoping to get more insight into the two and what the major difference would 
>> be. Thanks!
> 
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[RBW] Re: Chevoit or Clem jr L

[Kiley Demond]

Oh, oh! I rode both at Riv HQ and picked the Cheviot because I loved the 
lugs and the shade of orange (which is my favorite color) a pinch more. 
That choice cost me thousands of dollars over the next few years as I took 
to swapping out this and that. The Clem standard components would have fit 
me better initially and I ended up making my Chev more like Clem. The 
Cheviot's step-thru clearance isn't as significant as I would have liked. 
And I spent forever trying to get a front fender to work with 55 tires, 
it's a snap with a Clem. Ultimately, my answer would be that for all day 
riding and touring, the Cheviot is a better option. For most everything 
else, Clem is a better option, and you can buy your wife lots of other 
nifty things with the extra $$;-). (And years before this, I almost bought 
a Betty Foy. If I had bought that instead of a Dutch bike, I probably 
wouldn't be writing this at all.)

On Monday, April 29, 2019 at 10:10:07 AM UTC-7, Justin Schoop wrote:
>
> My wife has finally shown interest in a nice frame that's more comfortable 
> than her road bike and surly LHT. I recommended the Clem and Chevoit and 
> she really likes the idea of the step-thru frames. 
>
> Hoping to get more insight into the two and what the major difference 
> would be. Thanks!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Chevoit or Clem jr L

[Joe Bernard]

"I'm riding it like I stole it."

Literally! 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Chevoit or Clem jr L

[Leah Peterson]

Yeah, guys, don’t try to keep up with my speed racer - I’m riding it like I 
stole it! 


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> On May 1, 2019, at 4:17 AM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
> 
> I was comparing a 52 Clementine with a 55 Cheviut. I recall in the original 
> literature, the 59 Clementine was advertised as having a tad more "wiggle" 
> under load. But as I say, and you say, both bikes in any size are capable of 
> just about anything one would want a bike to do, other than try to beat M. 
> van der Poel (or BBDD's speed racer).
> 
>> On Tuesday, April 30, 2019 at 4:54:24 PM UTC-4, Adam Leibow wrote:
>> I have both (60cm Cheviot & 59cm Clem L) and disagree that the cheviot is 
>> faster/sportier. To me the cheviot rides stouter/stiffer and the clem L 
>> feels flexier and "planes" if you believe in that. I prefer the Cheviot for 
>> carrying a substantial load (clem L flexes too much) and the Clem L for 
>> lighter loads & faster rides. I use the Clem L on group rides to keep up 
>> with my local MTB & CX group ride friends. They're amazed that my "commuter" 
>> can keep up. 
>> 
>>> On Monday, April 29, 2019 at 10:10:07 AM UTC-7, Justin Schoop wrote:
>>> My wife has finally shown interest in a nice frame that's more comfortable 
>>> than her road bike and surly LHT. I recommended the Clem and Chevoit and 
>>> she really likes the idea of the step-thru frames. 
>>> 
>>> Hoping to get more insight into the two and what the major difference would 
>>> be. Thanks!
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[RBW] Re: Chevoit or Clem jr L

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I was comparing a 52 Clementine with a 55 Cheviut. I recall in the original 
literature, the 59 Clementine was advertised as having a tad more "wiggle" 
under load. But as I say, and you say, both bikes in any size are capable 
of just about anything one would want a bike to do, other than try to beat 
M. van der Poel (or BBDD's speed racer).

On Tuesday, April 30, 2019 at 4:54:24 PM UTC-4, Adam Leibow wrote:
>
> I have both (60cm Cheviot & 59cm Clem L) and disagree that the cheviot is 
> faster/sportier. To me the cheviot rides stouter/stiffer and the clem L 
> feels flexier and "planes" if you believe in that. I prefer the Cheviot for 
> carrying a substantial load (clem L flexes too much) and the Clem L for 
> lighter loads & faster rides. I use the Clem L on group rides to keep up 
> with my local MTB & CX group ride friends. They're amazed that my 
> "commuter" can keep up. 
>
> On Monday, April 29, 2019 at 10:10:07 AM UTC-7, Justin Schoop wrote:
>>
>> My wife has finally shown interest in a nice frame that's more 
>> comfortable than her road bike and surly LHT. I recommended the Clem and 
>> Chevoit and she really likes the idea of the step-thru frames. 
>>
>> Hoping to get more insight into the two and what the major difference 
>> would be. Thanks!
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Chevoit or Clem jr L

[tc]

Hey Leah, it's not "your husband's cast-off Clem" anymore.  It's "my 
Clem"...

Dang it, all this Clem talk got me to changin' my Clem tires to Snoq Passes 
and ordering VO fluted fenders tonightso I can get that  
Julian's
 
Clem 
 
look :).  
Tell me that isn't a smart-lookin bike.  Thanks for the inspiration, Julian!

It's so cool that the Clem (L or H) can be as *007* dapper as Julian's, or 
as lumberjack rugged as the  @bienslado 
'spulling
 
off both equally well.  And the ride is as good as the looks.  I can't 
believe you get all that for the price...it's crazy, really.  All you who 
have resisted the Clem, it's time to give in to the force.  It would be so 
fun to see the *real *bike nerds on this forum get a Clem and do some crazy 
builds!

Tom

On Tuesday, April 30, 2019 at 9:06:29 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> Well, I will say this. The Clem is faster than the Foy (the Cheviot’s 
> forerunner)
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Chevoit or Clem jr L

[Leah Peterson]

Well, I will say this. The Clem is faster than the Foy (the Cheviot’s 
forerunner).

My son rode his electric scooter to basketball practice today, and I decided to 
meet him halfway on his way home. I was on my husband’s cast-off Clem and when 
my son came into view, he was on the opposite side of the road, on the 
sidewalk. He was looking straight ahead and never saw me. I did an about face 
and tried to chase him down (going uphill); I was giving it everything I had. I 
never did catch him, but I tell you what...I am never able to go that fast on 
my Betty Foy. No idea why, and it’s not weight - that Clem is heavier, I’m 
sure. So nobody better dare say the Clem is a clunker! 

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> On Apr 30, 2019, at 4:46 PM, tc  wrote:
> 
> Ahem ... er ... uh  Rubenesque?  Or, maybe we just leave it as "there's a 
> little more to hold on to" :-)  Whatevah ... the Clem's a beaut! 
> 
> Here is an example of a more slender variety of Clem L from Blue Lug.
> 
> Tom
> 
>> On Tuesday, April 30, 2019 at 12:21:36 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
> 
>> Hey, Tom! What are you saying about our "big boned" Clementines? Huh? Huh? 
>> Grin.
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>> 
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[RBW] Re: Chevoit or Clem jr L

[tc]

Ahem ... er ... uh  *Rubenesque?  *Or, maybe we just leave it as 
"there's a little more to hold on to" :-)  Whatevah ... the Clem's a beaut! 

Here is an example of  a more 
slender variety of Clem L  
from Blue Lug.

Tom

On Tuesday, April 30, 2019 at 12:21:36 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:

> Hey, Tom! What are you saying about our "big boned" Clementines? Huh? Huh? 
> Grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>

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[RBW] Re: Chevoit or Clem jr L

[Joe Bernard]

That's a good point I had forgotten, Adam: The Clem L does indeed have a 
smidgen of flex through the frame. Cheviot has closer to a triangle-like 
bracing from its taller toptube.  

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[RBW] Re: Chevoit or Clem jr L

[Adam Leibow]

^as a counterpoint to my own claim, both are amazing bikes and can really 
do it all. I used to take my Cheviot on the same allrounder group rides and 
it did great. you can't go wrong. Buy the one that pulls your heart strings 
most. 

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>
> My wife has finally shown interest in a nice frame that's more comfortable 
> than her road bike and surly LHT. I recommended the Clem and Chevoit and 
> she really likes the idea of the step-thru frames. 
>
> Hoping to get more insight into the two and what the major difference 
> would be. Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: Chevoit or Clem jr L

[Adam Leibow]

I have both (60cm Cheviot & 59cm Clem L) and disagree that the cheviot is 
faster/sportier. To me the cheviot rides stouter/stiffer and the clem L 
feels flexier and "planes" if you believe in that. I prefer the Cheviot for 
carrying a substantial load (clem L flexes too much) and the Clem L for 
lighter loads & faster rides. I use the Clem L on group rides to keep up 
with my local MTB & CX group ride friends. They're amazed that my 
"commuter" can keep up. 

On Monday, April 29, 2019 at 10:10:07 AM UTC-7, Justin Schoop wrote:
>
> My wife has finally shown interest in a nice frame that's more comfortable 
> than her road bike and surly LHT. I recommended the Clem and Chevoit and 
> she really likes the idea of the step-thru frames. 
>
> Hoping to get more insight into the two and what the major difference 
> would be. Thanks!

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