[RBW] Re: Cleaning a Winter Drivetrain

2010-02-02 Thread Ethan
As others have said it depends on the conditions. I personally won't
ride my Riv in New England until the spring rains have washed away
most of the salt as that stuff will simply eat a steel frame, and
corrode the hell out of everything else. I have a beater mountain bike
that I used to commute on during the winter. But right now I have a
mixed mode commute and use a Bike Friday folder so I can take it on
public transit as needed. In terms of lube, something that'll stay on
your drivetrain. How often? As often as possible. You really want to
get the grit and more importantly the salt off the bike ASAP. I have a
friend who would truck his bike into his shower and just rinse it down
every time he got home (he was riding @15 miles each way year round at
the time so there was a LOT of muck on the bike).

Enjoy!

Ethan

On Jan 30, 8:44 pm, Mark Hall onmybikem...@gmail.com wrote:
 Got me 63 AHH all fendered up and out on the wet and dirty roads now.
 First time I have ever really done much winter riding. Need some
 recommendations about how often and best method to keep the bike -
 drivetrain, derailleurs, etc - clean.
 Been thoroughly enjoying riding in the wet and with dark clouds above.

 mark

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[RBW] Re: Cleaning a Winter Drivetrain

2010-02-02 Thread JoelMatthews
If you live in a northern city that uses salt it can be a chore.  A
couple years ago someone - I believe on this list - suggested going to
a self car wash and rinse the drive train down using the low pressure
pre-wash cycle only.

I use this to get the encrusted stuff off, then take the bike home and
finish the job with my regular cleaner and park brush.

If you go this route be very careful not to use the high pressure
function on the wash wand.  Also be prepared for snide remarks from
car owners who frequently seem to think bike cleaners' money is not as
good as theirs.
On Jan 30, 7:44 pm, Mark Hall onmybikem...@gmail.com wrote:
 Got me 63 AHH all fendered up and out on the wet and dirty roads now.
 First time I have ever really done much winter riding. Need some
 recommendations about how often and best method to keep the bike -
 drivetrain, derailleurs, etc - clean.
 Been thoroughly enjoying riding in the wet and with dark clouds above.

 mark

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[RBW] Re: Cleaning a Winter Drivetrain

2010-02-02 Thread Rick Smith
I've spent a number of winters with steel frames encased in salt. I do
clean them regularly, but all the same, rust does form. Isn't it a
protective seal against further corrosion, though? I've convinced
myself that it's all largely cosmetic and that any steel frame can
withstand salt thrown at it for three months of the year.

On Feb 1, 1:15 pm, geezer bair.m...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi Mark,

 You don't mention whether they salt in your area or not.  I live in
 northern Michigan where they salt with a vengeance.

 I can't ride anything nice in the winter here because of the salt.
 Even when things clear up a bit, any puddles on the road are
 corrosive.  Kiss bare aluminum good-bye, cosmetically.  Tiny paint
 chips on a steel frame become rust spots in minutes.  Its awfully
 disheartening.

 The only solution I have found is to ride a craigslist beater in the
 winter.  Old non-suspension mountain bikes work best.  (We call them
 DUI-cycles around here!)  Clean them periodically at the quarter-wash
 and use a non-sticky lube on the chain.  I look for a bike with fender
 eyelets, decent chainrings and cassettes and a smooth bottom-bracket,
 then give them a tune-up in the fall.  Don't fall in love with them,
 because they're disposable!  It amazes me sometimes how much of a
 licking those old 6 and 7 speed bikes will take and keep on ticking.

 Mike

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Re: [RBW] Re: Cleaning a Winter Drivetrain

2010-02-02 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Tue, 2010-02-02 at 09:18 -0800, Rick Smith wrote:
 I've spent a number of winters with steel frames encased in salt. I do
 clean them regularly, but all the same, rust does form. Isn't it a
 protective seal against further corrosion, though? 

no

some forms of aluminum corrosion do act that way, but not rust on steel



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[RBW] Re: Cleaning a Winter Drivetrain

2010-02-01 Thread geezer
Hi Mark,

You don't mention whether they salt in your area or not.  I live in
northern Michigan where they salt with a vengeance.

I can't ride anything nice in the winter here because of the salt.
Even when things clear up a bit, any puddles on the road are
corrosive.  Kiss bare aluminum good-bye, cosmetically.  Tiny paint
chips on a steel frame become rust spots in minutes.  Its awfully
disheartening.

The only solution I have found is to ride a craigslist beater in the
winter.  Old non-suspension mountain bikes work best.  (We call them
DUI-cycles around here!)  Clean them periodically at the quarter-wash
and use a non-sticky lube on the chain.  I look for a bike with fender
eyelets, decent chainrings and cassettes and a smooth bottom-bracket,
then give them a tune-up in the fall.  Don't fall in love with them,
because they're disposable!  It amazes me sometimes how much of a
licking those old 6 and 7 speed bikes will take and keep on ticking.

Mike

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[RBW] Re: Cleaning a Winter Drivetrain

2010-01-31 Thread MichaelH
I take the lazy man's out.  I avoid riding when the temps are just
above freezing - just too much snow, salt and slush to battle with.
At 10 - 20 degrees I can ride with much less muck.  A couple of years
ago I rode to work with temps in the mid thirties.  By the time I
arrived, the bike, right down to all 72 spokes, was covered in frozen
slush and the (indexed) FR was...toast.

I spent last spring and early summer recovering from foot surgery; in
late summer I developed a severe back strain, which developed into a
frozen shoulder so now spend more time in PT than on the bike.  I'm
hoping to get through 2010 without having my nose out of joint, and
pointed into the wind!

Michael

On Jan 30, 8:44 pm, Mark Hall onmybikem...@gmail.com wrote:
 Got me 63 AHH all fendered up and out on the wet and dirty roads now.
 First time I have ever really done much winter riding. Need some
 recommendations about how often and best method to keep the bike -
 drivetrain, derailleurs, etc - clean.
 Been thoroughly enjoying riding in the wet and with dark clouds above.

 mark

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Re: [RBW] Re: Cleaning a Winter Drivetrain

2010-01-31 Thread Bill Gibson
Clean early and often, doesn't matter much how. Convenience and
available time regulate your technique. Relube, too. Keep high
pressure away from bearings, modern lubes are better, marginally, than
gear oil, or Sturmey Archer Cycle Oil, which are amazing magnets for
grit. Less lube is more, usually. Have fun experimenting for your
conditions!

On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 11:58 AM, MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com wrote:
 I take the lazy man's out.  I avoid riding when the temps are just
 above freezing - just too much snow, salt and slush to battle with.
 At 10 - 20 degrees I can ride with much less muck.  A couple of years
 ago I rode to work with temps in the mid thirties.  By the time I
 arrived, the bike, right down to all 72 spokes, was covered in frozen
 slush and the (indexed) FR was...toast.

 I spent last spring and early summer recovering from foot surgery; in
 late summer I developed a severe back strain, which developed into a
 frozen shoulder so now spend more time in PT than on the bike.  I'm
 hoping to get through 2010 without having my nose out of joint, and
 pointed into the wind!

 Michael

 On Jan 30, 8:44 pm, Mark Hall onmybikem...@gmail.com wrote:
 Got me 63 AHH all fendered up and out on the wet and dirty roads now.
 First time I have ever really done much winter riding. Need some
 recommendations about how often and best method to keep the bike -
 drivetrain, derailleurs, etc - clean.
 Been thoroughly enjoying riding in the wet and with dark clouds above.

 mark

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