[RBW] Re: Comments on 1x12'd MIT Atlanti Or Other Riv's?

[tc]

Thanks, Adam!  Sounds like a keeper of a system.  I ordered the kit you 
recommended, but have an Eagle X01 rear derailleur already, so will be 
selling the brand new GX Eagle rear derailleur that comes with the set.

Now if I had a suitable bike to put this on...

Tom

On Tuesday, April 16, 2019 at 6:20:13 PM UTC-4, Adam Leibow wrote:
>
> Tom, the 12s GX eagle setup is great. The shifts are virtually 
> instantaneous and the group feels very reliable, shifting wise. Despite not 
> adding a narrow-wide/1x specific chainring yet, there have been no problems 
> using the Silver chainring. This being said I'll probably swap it to a 
> narrow wide chainring soon, maybe add a pop of color. do recommend...
>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Comments on 1x12'd MIT Atlanti Or Other Riv's?

[Adam Leibow]

Tom, the 12s GX eagle setup is great. The shifts are virtually 
instantaneous and the group feels very reliable, shifting wise. Despite not 
adding a narrow-wide/1x specific chainring yet, there have been no problems 
using the Silver chainring. This being said I'll probably swap it to a 
narrow wide chainring soon, maybe add a pop of color. do recommend

On Tuesday, April 16, 2019 at 12:21:29 PM UTC-7, tc wrote:
>
> Adam, it's been a couple of months - would really like to know how this is 
> working out for you.  Any additional hints, tips, suggestions, regrets?
>
> Thanks!
> Tom
>
> On Wednesday, February 13, 2019 at 1:06:01 AM UTC-5, Adam Leibow wrote:
>>
>> hi bill, sunrace makes the 11-50 twelve speed cassette that fits on a 
>> standard 10/11s sram/shimano freehub body. this is what i have. you can 
>> find the mini-group on ebay for just under $300 for the shifter, derailer, 
>> chain, & sunrace cassette package. i try not to buy new bicycle components 
>> from ebay, but i caved for this deal. this is the cheapest i could find it: 
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Sram-GX-Eagle-Group-SunRace-11-50-Cassette-12-Speed-Kit-Trigger-Derailleur-Chain/291089084796?hash=item43c642f17c:g:Uo8AAOSwOhda82Bq:rk:3:pf:0
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Comments on 1x12'd MIT Atlanti Or Other Riv's?

[tc]

Adam, it's been a couple of months - would really like to know how this is 
working out for you.  Any additional hints, tips, suggestions, regrets?

Thanks!
Tom

On Wednesday, February 13, 2019 at 1:06:01 AM UTC-5, Adam Leibow wrote:
>
> hi bill, sunrace makes the 11-50 twelve speed cassette that fits on a 
> standard 10/11s sram/shimano freehub body. this is what i have. you can 
> find the mini-group on ebay for just under $300 for the shifter, derailer, 
> chain, & sunrace cassette package. i try not to buy new bicycle components 
> from ebay, but i caved for this deal. this is the cheapest i could find it: 
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Sram-GX-Eagle-Group-SunRace-11-50-Cassette-12-Speed-Kit-Trigger-Derailleur-Chain/291089084796?hash=item43c642f17c:g:Uo8AAOSwOhda82Bq:rk:3:pf:0
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Re: [RBW] Re: Comments on 1x12'd MIT Atlanti Or Other Riv's?

[Justin, Oakland]

I emailed Bill but Chris King has this hub coming out in March. R45, no disc, 
XDR driver. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Comments on 1x12'd MIT Atlanti Or Other Riv's?

[Victor Hanson]

I believe DT Swiss can custom configure that hub.  QR, 10mm assumed, xd
driver, 135 old.

VTW

On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 2:53 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> Justin
>
> White Industries doesn't have any model listed on their site that is
> 135mm, QR, with an XD driver.  I called White and left a message asking
> exactly that.  I assume it would be the MI5 that would need to take a XD
> driver.  If they can sell that, that's probably the one I would buy
>
> I don't see any DT Swiss model that's 135mm QR with an XD driver.  That
> would be a decent fallback if White Industries didn't offer something.
>
> Bill
>
> On Wednesday, February 13, 2019 at 2:15:29 PM UTC-8, Justin, Oakland wrote:
>>
>> Bill-
>> There are many rear hubs spaces at 135 that can take an XD driver. White
>> Industries t11 is 130 and reputedly has an XD driver.
>> https://www.whiteind.com/t11
>> Or any number of DTSwiss: (centerlock makes a decent rim braked hub)
>> https://www.dtswiss.com/en/products/hubs-rws/hubs/
>>
>> Any reason those options won’t work?
>> -J
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[RBW] Re: Comments on 1x12'd MIT Atlanti Or Other Riv's?

[tc]

Jeremy, I hear you.  Do we know that the Atlantis fork, albeit narrower, is 
not as stout?  Good point about the chain line; will have to ask Riv what 
their thoughts were when they set up that 1x12 Atlantis.

The 59 Clem feels too big & long on the single track I ride.  On my first 
Clem H, I felt like I was driving a moving van through the trees -- and I 
sold it for this reason, and also because I just couldn't deal without a 
squishy fork.  I got a second Clem because I re-imagined using it as a 
knock-around road/path/greenway bike, I love the green, and it's great.

Comparing the 59 Clem H to the 59 Atlantis, the Atlantis has:

   - 1cm more standover  (I can aim for 1cm taller roots ...)
   - 3.5cm shorter top tube (
   - A double top tube (looks cool, but also hunq stout, I'm thinking)
   - 3.5cm shorter front-center (I'm good)
   - 5mm less tire clearance (I'm good)

Unsure about the total length, but it's gotta be a bit shorter.

Ima talk to Will and see what he thinks to get his thoughts on handling of 
Clem vs Atlantis, as well as stoutness of those 2 vs Hunq.  

Still noodling...

Tom

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[RBW] Re: Comments on 1x12'd MIT Atlanti Or Other Riv's?

[Justin, Oakland]

Bill-
Checking their conversion pages: 
https://www.dtswiss.com/en/support/conversion-charts/end-cap-solution-mtb-rear/
it's evident that nearly all of their MTB hubs are convertible to 5mm QR 
and that includes their XD driver hubs. You just need to find the right 
parts (which is fairly easy actually).

Basically any 142 spaced hub that can be converted via endcaps that also 
has an XD driver can be used in a 135 frame since 142 and 135 are the 
different axle analogs to each other in terms of width. I have a DT Swiss 
350 hub that I have converted from QR to 142 TA and currently have the kit 
to convert it to XD just in case. It is 6 bolt disc however.

White stocks their XD conversion kit here: 
http://www.whiteind.com/xd-driver-conversion

I hope you can get them to sell you a non-disc hub with that stock so you 
don't have to pay extra. Or you could get their CLD hub here: 
https://www.whiteind.com/cld for centerlock, 135 QR and XD driver 
compatibility.

-J

On Wednesday, February 13, 2019 at 2:53:24 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Justin
>
> White Industries doesn't have any model listed on their site that is 
> 135mm, QR, with an XD driver.  I called White and left a message asking 
> exactly that.  I assume it would be the MI5 that would need to take a XD 
> driver.  If they can sell that, that's probably the one I would buy
>
> I don't see any DT Swiss model that's 135mm QR with an XD driver.  That 
> would be a decent fallback if White Industries didn't offer something.  
>
> Bill
>
> On Wednesday, February 13, 2019 at 2:15:29 PM UTC-8, Justin, Oakland wrote:
>>
>> Bill- 
>> There are many rear hubs spaces at 135 that can take an XD driver. White 
>> Industries t11 is 130 and reputedly has an XD driver. 
>> https://www.whiteind.com/t11 
>> Or any number of DTSwiss: (centerlock makes a decent rim braked hub) 
>> https://www.dtswiss.com/en/products/hubs-rws/hubs/ 
>>
>> Any reason those options won’t work? 
>> -J 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Comments on 1x12'd MIT Atlanti Or Other Riv's?

[Bill Lindsay]

I looked on ebay and I see some QR rear hubs with XD drivers.  Here's a $60 
one:  EBAY Link 


They definitely exist.  

Bill


On Wednesday, February 13, 2019 at 2:53:24 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Justin
>
> White Industries doesn't have any model listed on their site that is 
> 135mm, QR, with an XD driver.  I called White and left a message asking 
> exactly that.  I assume it would be the MI5 that would need to take a XD 
> driver.  If they can sell that, that's probably the one I would buy
>
> I don't see any DT Swiss model that's 135mm QR with an XD driver.  That 
> would be a decent fallback if White Industries didn't offer something.  
>
> Bill
>
> On Wednesday, February 13, 2019 at 2:15:29 PM UTC-8, Justin, Oakland wrote:
>>
>> Bill- 
>> There are many rear hubs spaces at 135 that can take an XD driver. White 
>> Industries t11 is 130 and reputedly has an XD driver. 
>> https://www.whiteind.com/t11 
>> Or any number of DTSwiss: (centerlock makes a decent rim braked hub) 
>> https://www.dtswiss.com/en/products/hubs-rws/hubs/ 
>>
>> Any reason those options won’t work? 
>> -J 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Comments on 1x12'd MIT Atlanti Or Other Riv's?

[Bill Lindsay]

Justin

White Industries doesn't have any model listed on their site that is 135mm, 
QR, with an XD driver.  I called White and left a message asking exactly 
that.  I assume it would be the MI5 that would need to take a XD driver.  
If they can sell that, that's probably the one I would buy

I don't see any DT Swiss model that's 135mm QR with an XD driver.  That 
would be a decent fallback if White Industries didn't offer something.  

Bill

On Wednesday, February 13, 2019 at 2:15:29 PM UTC-8, Justin, Oakland wrote:
>
> Bill- 
> There are many rear hubs spaces at 135 that can take an XD driver. White 
> Industries t11 is 130 and reputedly has an XD driver. 
> https://www.whiteind.com/t11 
> Or any number of DTSwiss: (centerlock makes a decent rim braked hub) 
> https://www.dtswiss.com/en/products/hubs-rws/hubs/ 
>
> Any reason those options won’t work? 
> -J 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Comments on 1x12'd MIT Atlanti Or Other Riv's?

[Justin, Oakland]

Bill-
There are many rear hubs spaces at 135 that can take an XD driver. White 
Industries t11 is 130 and reputedly has an XD driver. 
https://www.whiteind.com/t11
Or any number of DTSwiss: (centerlock makes a decent rim braked hub)
https://www.dtswiss.com/en/products/hubs-rws/hubs/

Any reason those options won’t work?
-J

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[RBW] Re: Comments on 1x12'd MIT Atlanti Or Other Riv's?

[Bill Lindsay]

Thanks for the reply Adam, but I was asking a different question.  I'll ask 
it again:

Is there a rear hub with: 135mm OLD spacing + a Quick Release axle + 
non-disc brakes + SRAM XD driver ?

If that rear hub exists, then one could run a 10-50 cassette on an 
Atlantis.  If no such hub exists, then you are stuck with an 11-50.  

Bill

On Tuesday, February 12, 2019 at 10:06:01 PM UTC-8, Adam Leibow wrote:
>
> hi bill, sunrace makes the 11-50 twelve speed cassette that fits on a 
> standard 10/11s sram/shimano freehub body. this is what i have. you can 
> find the mini-group on ebay for just under $300 for the shifter, derailer, 
> chain, & sunrace cassette package. i try not to buy new bicycle components 
> from ebay, but i caved for this deal. this is the cheapest i could find it: 
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Sram-GX-Eagle-Group-SunRace-11-50-Cassette-12-Speed-Kit-Trigger-Derailleur-Chain/291089084796?hash=item43c642f17c:g:Uo8AAOSwOhda82Bq:rk:3:pf:0
>
> On Tuesday, February 12, 2019 at 8:51:19 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> Adam Leibow indicates he will run GX Eagle on his Clem 
>>
>> In order to run the 10-50 cassette you need the XD driver on the rear 
>> hub. Is that driver available on a 135mm we rear hub?  Is it available on a 
>> 135mm QR non-disc rear hub?  Or will you be running a Shimano compatible 
>> 11-50 eagle cassette?   
>>
>> 礪 
>>
>> Bill Lindsay 
>> El Cerrito Ca
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Comments on 1x12'd MIT Atlanti Or Other Riv's?

[Jeremy Till]

Not to derail (hah!) this thread, but I had also briefly considered an MIT 
Atlantis as something to work towards as a replacement for my current 
CleMTB. I was at Riv HQ a couple of weekends ago and got a chance to look 
more closely at the demo bike that's built up pretty closely to my Clem, as 
pictured here: 

https://www.instagram.com/p/BtFHpw8jt5s/

The Atlantis is definitely a dirt-capable allrounder and I wouldn't 
hesitate to take if off-roading. However, comparing it to my Clem (which 
uses a Hunqapillar fork, and I assume has similar clearance to the Hunqs, 
at least the later ones), the Atlantis doesn't have quite as much tire 
clearance for big knobbies or mud, if either of those things are important 
to your off-roading experience. The demo pictured above has 2.2 Continental 
Race Kings on relatively narrow rims (Atlases, if I remember correctly), 
and they are close to the seat stays and fork crown. My Clem takes 2.2's on 
wider rims (Cliffhangers) with a lot more clearance. The Hunqapillar fork 
crown is definitely wider than the Atlantis one, and at least on my 
first-gen Clem with the fixed-angle seat lug, the stays are wider set. I 
love my Clem setup and definitely wouldn't want to go any narrower, either 
on the rim or the tire, so I think I'll be sticking with it for now as my 
MTB.  

No comment on the 12 speed stuff specifically but I will note that any 
chainline issues are made less severe by long chainstays. I run a mountain 
double (36/22) setup on my Clem with no front derailleur and a wide bottom 
bracket to help the chain clear the tire in the granny gear. That puts the 
bigger ring pretty far out and I expect it would be problematic, especially 
in the big x big combinations, on a bike with shorter chainstays. As it is 
I have no problems with derailment, even using a ramped and pinned 
chainring (i.e. not narrow-wide or even SS specific) while bouncing around 
off road. 

On Wednesday, February 13, 2019 at 7:20:21 AM UTC-8, tc wrote:
>
> Bill, Colin, Adam - all great info!  Thank you. I was also thinking of 
> raiding my Clem drivetrain, if I go forward with an Atlantipillar ... but 
> this 12-spd Gx setup is so intriguing, and not as expensive as I thought it 
> was. 
>
> Tom
>

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[RBW] Re: Comments on 1x12'd MIT Atlanti Or Other Riv's?

[tc]

Good to know, Adam. Makes sense. And you experienced this groupset already and 
had no issues. 

I noticed the article Colin referenced recommended swapping out the GX 
derailleur for the X01. If you didn’t have issues then likely not worth it, 
unless a sig bunch of folks noticed alignment probs too early on. 

Tom

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[RBW] Re: Comments on 1x12'd MIT Atlanti Or Other Riv's?

[Drw]

yeah that makes sense. maybe ill try putting an index shifter on. 

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[RBW] Re: Comments on 1x12'd MIT Atlanti Or Other Riv's?

[Justin, Oakland]

I have the 11-50 12 so Sunrace cassette sitting unused. I doubt I’m going to 
use it so if anyone wants to buy...

-J

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[RBW] Re: Comments on 1x12'd MIT Atlanti Or Other Riv's?

[Adam Leibow]

more than likely it's the *friction* silver shifter mated to the 10s setup. 
some people have noted success with 10speed friction, but mostly what i 
hear is that because the cable pull is so minute between gears on the 10s 
and 11s cassettes, friction shifting is very sensitive and ghost shifting 
is much more pronounced. 

i'm just going to use the GX eagle 12s indexed trigger shifter that came 
with the group, as is surely what's done on the atlantis in the OP. 
Microshift also makes a 12s indexed compatible bar end shifter. 

On Wednesday, February 13, 2019 at 8:38:06 AM UTC-8, Drw wrote:
>
> I'd be interested to hear how that sunrace sram setup works. I have 1x10 
> on my bubbe step through. sunrace big cassette, IRD mjolnir crank, silver 
> friction on thumb shifter mount, xt derailler with wolftooth. I get tons of 
> ghost shifting/slipping around on the three smallest gears and don't know 
> which component is the culprit. 
>

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[RBW] Re: Comments on 1x12'd MIT Atlanti Or Other Riv's?

[Drw]

I'd be interested to hear how that sunrace sram setup works. I have 1x10 on 
my bubbe step through. sunrace big cassette, IRD mjolnir crank, silver 
friction on thumb shifter mount, xt derailler with wolftooth. I get tons of 
ghost shifting/slipping around on the three smallest gears and don't know 
which component is the culprit. 

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[RBW] Re: Comments on 1x12'd MIT Atlanti Or Other Riv's?

[Adam Leibow]

hi bill, sunrace makes the 11-50 twelve speed cassette that fits on a 
standard 10/11s sram/shimano freehub body. this is what i have. you can 
find the mini-group on ebay for just under $300 for the shifter, derailer, 
chain, & sunrace cassette package. i try not to buy new bicycle components 
from ebay, but i caved for this deal. this is the cheapest i could find it: 
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Sram-GX-Eagle-Group-SunRace-11-50-Cassette-12-Speed-Kit-Trigger-Derailleur-Chain/291089084796?hash=item43c642f17c:g:Uo8AAOSwOhda82Bq:rk:3:pf:0

On Tuesday, February 12, 2019 at 8:51:19 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Adam Leibow indicates he will run GX Eagle on his Clem 
>
> In order to run the 10-50 cassette you need the XD driver on the rear hub. 
> Is that driver available on a 135mm we rear hub?  Is it available on a 
> 135mm QR non-disc rear hub?  Or will you be running a Shimano compatible 
> 11-50 eagle cassette?   
>
> 礪 
>
> Bill Lindsay 
> El Cerrito Ca

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[RBW] Re: Comments on 1x12'd MIT Atlanti Or Other Riv's?

[Bill Lindsay]

Adam Leibow indicates he will run GX Eagle on his Clem

In order to run the 10-50 cassette you need the XD driver on the rear hub. Is 
that driver available on a 135mm we rear hub?  Is it available on a 135mm QR 
non-disc rear hub?  Or will you be running a Shimano compatible 11-50 eagle 
cassette?  

礪 

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito Ca

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[RBW] Re: Comments on 1x12'd MIT Atlanti Or Other Riv's?

[Collin A]

Bikepacking.com did a good write-up/review of the GX vs. X01 groupset and I 
think the recommendations they provide in terms of mix-n-match would be 
worth thinking about...

http://www.bikepacking.com/gear/sram-eagle-review/

On Monday, February 11, 2019 at 7:25:03 PM UTC-8, tc wrote:
>
> Thanks Bill.  It looks like the GX Eagle 12-spd groupset (which seems to 
> be far better liked than NX) is now as 'inexpensive' as the NX stuff was 
> last year.  I would certainly expect the cross-chain effects as you point 
> out; but surprisingly, complaints are hard to find..I *have *seen reviews 
> with Shimano 1x11-spd setups dropping chains, not shifting as nice as the 
> SRAM.  Anyway, it's amazing stuff.
>
> That you think the 2TT Atlantis is absolutely a Hunq replacement is quite 
> an endorsement.  It certainly looks as though it could be, but I don't 
> recall ever seeing Riv come out and say it before.  Maybe they should, it 
> might increase their market instantly!
>
> Pondering
>
> Tom
>

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[RBW] Re: Comments on 1x12'd MIT Atlanti Or Other Riv's?

[tc]

Thanks Bill.  It looks like the GX Eagle 12-spd groupset (which seems to be 
far better liked than NX) is now as 'inexpensive' as the NX stuff was last 
year.  I would certainly expect the cross-chain effects as you point out; 
but surprisingly, complaints are hard to find..I *have *seen reviews with 
Shimano 1x11-spd setups dropping chains, not shifting as nice as the SRAM.  
Anyway, it's amazing stuff.

That you think the 2TT Atlantis is absolutely a Hunq replacement is quite 
an endorsement.  It certainly looks as though it could be, but I don't 
recall ever seeing Riv come out and say it before.  Maybe they should, it 
might increase their market instantly!

Pondering

Tom

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