[RBW] Re: Crowd sourcing ideas for vintage parts for a new randonneuring rig (semi sort of WTB)

[Garth]

Some short drop/reach handlebars  I'm assuming you'd want a 38 or 40 
width.  The Dajia at least suggests a removable face plate stem because it 
may be difficult to maneuver the bends. 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NITTO-M106NAS-Silver-Road-Racing-Drop-Bar-380-mm-M106NAS-W380-/322570363742?hash=item4b1ab1235e:g:wMgAAOSw-vlVlj8q

https://www.modernbike.com/dimension-40cm-short-drop-26.0-handlebar-silver

https://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/components/handlebars/dajia-cycleworks-short-and-shallow-handlebar.html


For brake lever, I gotta say classic non aero ones like Campy NR/SR to me 
were good for small hands as I always found them too small !  Tektro makes 
a aero smaller lever RL341, but the body appears out of place as it regular 
length, so kinda goofy. A aero Shimano BL-R400 may work for you as the body 
is kinda small compared with many today with a regular size lever. 

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[RBW] Re: Crowd sourcing ideas for vintage parts for a new randonneuring rig (semi sort of WTB)

[Garth]

Just the rivvy ones John, they were special made fro Riv. The regular Touring 
fw hubs are solid flanges. PW would have to be contacted as to their 
availability. 

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[RBW] Re: Crowd sourcing ideas for vintage parts for a new randonneuring rig (semi sort of WTB)

[John Hawrylak]

Apparently RBW has bought up all the Phil F/W hubs, newsletter link below

http://mailchi.mp/rivbike/newsletter-nz6t1m9ada?e=dac36dd191

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ


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[RBW] Re: Crowd sourcing ideas for vintage parts for a new randonneuring rig (semi sort of WTB)

[Philip Kim]

I have SUNXCD rear derailleur, shifts to 34t. Silver and nice and 
lightweight. A bit pricey, I think microshift also makes a good rear 
derialleur as well.

One of the best purchases I've made is the Rene Herse crank sold by 
Compass. Expensive, but durable and light!

On Wednesday, July 19, 2017 at 5:47:48 PM UTC-4, Lesli Larson wrote:
>
> It's been awhile since I sourced parts for a new bike. I haven't done this 
> since I ordered my custom Riv ages ago.
>
> Use: randonneuring
>
> Question: what's the current wisdom regarding classic long cage 
> derailleurs, front derailleurs, rear hubs (freewheel or cassette), 
> seatposts and shifts?
>
> Have things gotten crazy expensive or is vintage still a viable 
> alternative to new stuff.
>
> I'm sorry I missed out on the Riv Phil hub (what I have on my older road 
> bike). 
>
> I already have Mafac racers, a TA crank, and a set of Campy brake levers 
> in hand.
>
> I'm a female with smallish hands and shortish stature. I'm going to set 
> the bike up as a compact double with either bar-ends or downtube shifters.
>
> Wondering whether folks recommend in the way of classic, duable, stylish, 
> lightweight parts? New or old.
>
>
> Let me know if you have anything for sale that might match my shopping 
> list!
>
> Regards,
>
> Lesli Larson
> Eugene, OR
>

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[RBW] Re: Crowd sourcing ideas for vintage parts for a new randonneuring rig (semi sort of WTB)

[Doug Bloch]

On Thursday, July 20, 2017 at 6:58:48 AM UTC-7, Ron Mc wrote:
> a long-cage Jubilee is a tough acquisition, though
> 
> On Thursday, July 20, 2017 at 8:53:48 AM UTC-5, GAJett wrote:Nice to see I'm 
> not the only one running a Jubilie on a wide range front setup (49/46/26). 
> Actually will be going BACK on as it shifts much better than a new Shimano 
> CX70!
> CHEERS!

Yes I am selling a 1976 Motobecane Grand Jubilé with the long cage and everyone 
wants me to part it out. 

Not to hijack the thread though, so as to the topic I second the vote for 
Suntour derailleurs. I run the Cyclone on my bike with Simplex Retrofriction 
shifter in a 1x6 setup.

 I have VGT Luxe long cage RD, FD, and downtube shifters I'd let go for a 
reasonable price.

Doug

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Re: [RBW] Re: Crowd sourcing ideas for vintage parts for a new randonneuring rig (semi sort of WTB)

[Mike Godwin]

I use first generation XTR  M900 hubs and cyclone rd/fd. The hubs have the same 
shape and finish (pretty close) as campy low flange hubs, but all the modern 
conveniences.

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[RBW] Re: Crowd sourcing ideas for vintage parts for a new randonneuring rig (semi sort of WTB)

[GAJett]

Yeah, the CX has two problems I should have anticipated. 
1. My chain is an NOS Siedisport designed for 5/6-speed clusters, so is 
extremely sensitive to adjustments. 
2. The depth of the inner cage plate, although much less than a MTB front, is 
too deep for the three-inch difference on my half-step. 
In the description for the CX70 on the Riv website it states it's been made to 
work with some wierd half-step setups. I guess mine is just wierder. 
Before I had Riv build my AHH with a similar half-step, they used an old 
low-end Shimmy they had lying around. Besides not working well for my "wierd" 
application, it was incredibly fugly!  Pulled the Superb II off the old bike 
and works perfectly on the AHH. So the original Jubilee's going back on the 
old. 
Cheers!

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[RBW] Re: Crowd sourcing ideas for vintage parts for a new randonneuring rig (semi sort of WTB)

[GAJett]

The short cage Jubilee was long ago replaced with a Duopar. It's the front 
Jubilee that's going back on.
Cheers!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Crowd sourcing ideas for vintage parts for a new randonneuring rig (semi sort of WTB)

[Jim Bronson]

The Grand Bois spec is interesting.  As with them, I use the Microshift
rear derailers and Microshift bar-ends, they work good and the bar ends are
half the cost of Shimano units.  The RD-47S is the short cage, the long
cage is RD-47 with no S on the end.  It's available in shiny silver and is
very pretty!

http://www.microshift.com.tw/RD-R47S_r10.html

It says it will only do 28T but I'm using it with 30 now, no issues.

If you sweat a lot like me the Microsoft bar ends are actually better than
the Shimano equivalents, I find the Shimano units gum up more easily.

As for the main point of this thread, not at all into vintage parts for my
rando bike.  Not on the bleeding edge either.  I find that mainstream parts
9/10 speed are "better" by my standards for defining better:  cheap, easily
available, functional and reliable.  You can buy a 9 speed chain at many
Walmarts.  Great if you are having chain problems on a long brevet.  That
said I'm not a big supporter of Walmart but if you need a chain and there
is one nearby with the chain you need in stock, it really helps.

On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 6:42 AM, Ron Mc  wrote:

> Might want to take a look at how Grand Bois is building their current rando
>
> 
>
> ◆ ER frame 540 mm ◆ Tangeheddo small RB661C ◆ Tange bottom bracket LN7922
> ◆ San Exceed × TA Cheng wheel 44 × 28 ◆ hub (F) Shimano DH-2N35QR dynamo
> (R) Guranboa SFQR ◆ Guranbo Alim scarab ◆ Grand Bois tire Villiers 650 ×
> 36B ◆ Micro shift derailleur (F) FD-R52S (R) RD-R47S ◆ Shimano change lever
> SL-R400 ◆ Shimano chain CN-HG40 ◆ Shimano cassette CH-HG50-8-W ◆ MKS prime
> Sylvan touring ◆ die competition brake lever Guido net / hand Rest ◆ Gran
> bore vintage brake outer ◆ Honjo mudguard H50 ◆ Brooks saddle B17 champion
> Standard ◆ Gran grayed seat pillar ◆ Grand Bois France type touring bicycle
> bar ◆ Gran bore aluminum stem ◆ Gran bore front carrier TypeER ◆ Nitto
> career R13 ◆ Guranbo ABAC supporters ◆ Sanyo head Lai Bullet-shaped ◆
> beautiful tail light LP200 ◆ VIVA cotton handlebar tape ◆ Nitto bottle cage
> 500ml ◆ Universal bell brass ◆
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[RBW] Re: Crowd sourcing ideas for vintage parts for a new randonneuring rig (semi sort of WTB)

[Ron Mc]

In defense of the Ultegra CX70 FD, the cage is designed for a max ring size 
of 48T, and it works great on a wide compact double with narrow (9s) chain. 
 

On Thursday, July 20, 2017 at 8:53:48 AM UTC-5, GAJett wrote:
>
> Nice to see I'm not the only one running a Jubilie on a wide range front 
> setup (49/46/26). Actually will be going BACK on as it shifts much better 
> than a new Shimano CX70!
> CHEERS!

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[RBW] Re: Crowd sourcing ideas for vintage parts for a new randonneuring rig (semi sort of WTB)

[Ron Mc]

a long-cage Jubilee is a tough acquisition, though

On Thursday, July 20, 2017 at 8:53:48 AM UTC-5, GAJett wrote:
>
> Nice to see I'm not the only one running a Jubilie on a wide range front 
> setup (49/46/26). Actually will be going BACK on as it shifts much better 
> than a new Shimano CX70!
> CHEERS!

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[RBW] Re: Crowd sourcing ideas for vintage parts for a new randonneuring rig (semi sort of WTB)

[GAJett]

Nice to see I'm not the only one running a Jubilie on a wide range front setup 
(49/46/26). Actually will be going BACK on as it shifts much better than a new 
Shimano CX70!
CHEERS!

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[RBW] Re: Crowd sourcing ideas for vintage parts for a new randonneuring rig (semi sort of WTB)

[Ron Mc]

Might want to take a look at how Grand Bois is building their current rando

  

◆ ER frame 540 mm ◆ Tangeheddo small RB661C ◆ Tange bottom bracket LN7922 ◆ 
San Exceed × TA Cheng wheel 44 × 28 ◆ hub (F) Shimano DH-2N35QR dynamo (R) 
Guranboa SFQR ◆ Guranbo Alim scarab ◆ Grand Bois tire Villiers 650 × 36B ◆ 
Micro shift derailleur (F) FD-R52S (R) RD-R47S ◆ Shimano change lever 
SL-R400 ◆ Shimano chain CN-HG40 ◆ Shimano cassette CH-HG50-8-W ◆ MKS prime 
Sylvan touring ◆ die competition brake lever Guido net / hand Rest ◆ Gran 
bore vintage brake outer ◆ Honjo mudguard H50 ◆ Brooks saddle B17 champion 
Standard ◆ Gran grayed seat pillar ◆ Grand Bois France type touring bicycle 
bar ◆ Gran bore aluminum stem ◆ Gran bore front carrier TypeER ◆ Nitto 
career R13 ◆ Guranbo ABAC supporters ◆ Sanyo head Lai Bullet-shaped ◆ 
beautiful tail light LP200 ◆ VIVA cotton handlebar tape ◆ Nitto bottle cage 
500ml ◆ Universal bell brass ◆

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Re: [RBW] Re: Crowd sourcing ideas for vintage parts for a new randonneuring rig (semi sort of WTB)

[franklyn]

Lesli,

I still build basically with 8-, or 9-speed parts and friction shifters, 
although new Shimano road RD (105, Ultegra) can shift up to 32T now. I have 
several spare 9-speed LX/XT RD (standard or reverse pull) and a Suntour XC 
Pro FD if you need them. 

You can still find 9-speed Ultegra or D/A hubs on eBay, though I haven't 
looked for a front hub for a while as all my bikes have dynamo wheels now.

Franklyn

On Wednesday, July 19, 2017 at 8:24:08 PM UTC-7, Orc wrote:
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, July 19, 2017 at 4:17:31 PM UTC-7, Eric Norris wrote:
>>
>> “... annoying brake cables”?  I could not disagree more. I think they’re 
>> beautiful!
>>
>
>They aren't a very user-friendly design; those elegant arcs go right 
> over the top of a rando bag, which I could imagine would be pretty annoying 
> at 2am after the first 700k of a nice weekend ride.
>
>
>-david parsons
>  
>
>>
>> https://instagram.com/p/BWqXDxQgPc8/ 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Crowd sourcing ideas for vintage parts for a new randonneuring rig (semi sort of WTB)

[Orc]

On Wednesday, July 19, 2017 at 4:17:31 PM UTC-7, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> “... annoying brake cables”?  I could not disagree more. I think they’re 
> beautiful!
>

   They aren't a very user-friendly design; those elegant arcs go right 
over the top of a rando bag, which I could imagine would be pretty annoying 
at 2am after the first 700k of a nice weekend ride.


   -david parsons
 

>
> https://instagram.com/p/BWqXDxQgPc8/ 
>
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[RBW] Re: Crowd sourcing ideas for vintage parts for a new randonneuring rig (semi sort of WTB)

[Orc]

With a bit of lurking, it's possible to find old White 'tincan' hubs for 
about the same price as midrange modern Shimano; cheaper if they're sold as 
"for parts" (I picked up a couple of tincans for ~$25/ea and was able to 
rebuild them with another ~$15 in parts.)

If you're looking for old downtube shifters, ping me -- I've a pair from a 
mid-80s Trek that I'll never use and I'd be happy to pass on to you for 
free.

-david parsons

On Wednesday, July 19, 2017 at 2:47:48 PM UTC-7, Lesli Larson wrote:
>
> It's been awhile since I sourced parts for a new bike. I haven't done this 
> since I ordered my custom Riv ages ago.
>
> Use: randonneuring
>
> Question: what's the current wisdom regarding classic long cage 
> derailleurs, front derailleurs, rear hubs (freewheel or cassette), 
> seatposts and shifts?
>
> Have things gotten crazy expensive or is vintage still a viable 
> alternative to new stuff.
>
> I'm sorry I missed out on the Riv Phil hub (what I have on my older road 
> bike). 
>
> I already have Mafac racers, a TA crank, and a set of Campy brake levers 
> in hand.
>
> I'm a female with smallish hands and shortish stature. I'm going to set 
> the bike up as a compact double with either bar-ends or downtube shifters.
>
> Wondering whether folks recommend in the way of classic, duable, stylish, 
> lightweight parts? New or old.
>
>
> Let me know if you have anything for sale that might match my shopping 
> list!
>
> Regards,
>
> Lesli Larson
> Eugene, OR
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Crowd sourcing ideas for vintage parts for a new randonneuring rig (semi sort of WTB)

[Eric Norris]

“... annoying brake cables”?  I could not disagree more. I think they’re 
beautiful!

https://instagram.com/p/BWqXDxQgPc8/ 

--Eric N
www.CampyOnly.com
CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com
Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy

> On Jul 19, 2017, at 4:03 PM, John Hawrylak  wrote:
> 
> For a long cage RD, I suggest a Deore M591, 9 spd with ample chain wrap and 
> less than $40.  RD are very inexpensive compared to 20, 30 years ago, so why 
> use old mechs when you can get technically superior RDs now that a 
> inexpensive.
> 
> I agree with the beauty of high flange hubs, but VO is the only thing close 
> to the Phil or the Shimano 333's that came on my 75 Voyaguer II.
> 
> Campy levers are nice, but aero levers get rid of the annoying brake cables 
> starring you I the face.  I suggest function over form, especially the 
> Tektro's RL341's (aero with the QR button, good for canti's to open them up) 
> which have a SHORT REACH/Womens option for small hands.
> 
> I have a pair of Suntour ratcheting bar end shifters, if you are interested.  
>  Of course the RBW Silvers are a stylish with finer ratcheting movement which 
> has advantages if you are friction shifting the rear
> 
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
> 
> 
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[RBW] Re: Crowd sourcing ideas for vintage parts for a new randonneuring rig (semi sort of WTB)

[John Hawrylak]

For a long cage RD, I suggest a Deore M591, 9 spd with ample chain wrap and 
less than $40.  RD are very inexpensive compared to 20, 30 years ago, so 
why use old mechs when you can get technically superior RDs now that a 
inexpensive.

I agree with the beauty of high flange hubs, but VO is the only thing close 
to the Phil or the Shimano 333's that came on my 75 Voyaguer II.

Campy levers are nice, but aero levers get rid of the annoying brake cables 
starring you I the face.  I suggest function over form, especially the 
Tektro's RL341's (aero with the QR button, good for canti's to open them 
up) which have a SHORT REACH/Womens option for small hands.

I have a pair of Suntour ratcheting bar end shifters, if you are 
interested.   Of course the RBW Silvers are a stylish with finer ratcheting 
movement which has advantages if you are friction shifting the rear

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ



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