Re: [RBW] Re: Custom bike report

[Toshi Takeuchi]

Hi all,

Thanks for the weight-saving tips and kind compliments.  I usually use
padded bike shorts or bibs for rides over 50 miles long.  For shorter rides
I'll usually use the MUSA shorts and knickers.  I did rides in the rain and
the fender coverage was excellent and I didn't notice spray going around
the sides or near the fender flap.  It was never an issue on my 650b
Rambouillet either...

Best,
Toshi


On Sat, Aug 11, 2018 at 4:14 PM RichS  wrote:

> Nice to see your bike again Toshi. It’s stunning. Well done on the long
> rides too!
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
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[RBW] Re: Custom bike report

[RichS]

Nice to see your bike again Toshi. It’s stunning. Well done on the long rides 
too!

Best,
Rich in ATL

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[RBW] Re: Custom bike report

[John Hawrylak]

Toshi

Very good report and great looking bike.  1 question

Do you get a lot of water spray from the front fender in the area of the 
lower stay or rubber flap.   I get a noticeable water coming outin this 
area when I go above 15 mph in a steady rain

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

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[RBW] Re: Custom bike report

[Tony DeFilippo]

Congrats on all those long rides!  All the more gratifying doing it on a bike 
that performs so well and that you had so much to do with spec-ing out.

Thanks for sharing!

Tony

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Re: [RBW] Re: Custom bike

[Toshi Takeuchi]

Good eye Dave, it's 69 cm.

Toshi


On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 5:16 AM, David Johnston  wrote:

> Oh well too small for me after all :p
>
> I'm curious about your Saddle height though for the bike. It looks
> perfect in the pics so 68.5cm?
>
> -Dave J
>
> On 9/14/17, Toshi Takeuchi  wrote:
> > Ha! It is somewhere around 52.5 C-T. My 54 Hilsen is tight in terms of my
> > body parts and this custom has more room :).
> >
> > Toshi
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 7:43 PM Dave Johnston  wrote:
> >
> >> Toshi,
> >> I'm curious what size the frame is. When you go to sell it I think it
> >> will
> >> fit me! :p
> >>
> >> -Dave J
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[RBW] Re: Custom bike

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Absolutely gorgeous.  Congratulations on getting a truly fabulous bike.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Custom bike

[David Johnston]

Oh well too small for me after all :p

I'm curious about your Saddle height though for the bike. It looks
perfect in the pics so 68.5cm?

-Dave J

On 9/14/17, Toshi Takeuchi  wrote:
> Ha! It is somewhere around 52.5 C-T. My 54 Hilsen is tight in terms of my
> body parts and this custom has more room :).
>
> Toshi
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 7:43 PM Dave Johnston  wrote:
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>> Toshi,
>> I'm curious what size the frame is. When you go to sell it I think it
>> will
>> fit me! :p
>>
>> -Dave J
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Re: [RBW] Re: Custom bike

[R Shannon]

Toshi, it fits me as well! Ha!

Best,
Richard

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> On Sep 14, 2017, at 1:09 AM, Toshi Takeuchi  wrote:
> 
> Ha! It is somewhere around 52.5 C-T. My 54 Hilsen is tight in terms of my 
> body parts and this custom has more room :).
> 
> Toshi
> 
> 
>> On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 7:43 PM Dave Johnston  wrote:
>> Toshi,
>> I'm curious what size the frame is. When you go to sell it I think it will 
>> fit me! :p
>> 
>> -Dave J
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Re: [RBW] Re: Custom bike

[Toshi Takeuchi]

Ha! It is somewhere around 52.5 C-T. My 54 Hilsen is tight in terms of my
body parts and this custom has more room :).

Toshi


On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 7:43 PM Dave Johnston  wrote:

> Toshi,
> I'm curious what size the frame is. When you go to sell it I think it will
> fit me! :p
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> -Dave J
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Re: [RBW] Re: Custom bike

[Dave Johnston]

Toshi,
I'm curious what size the frame is. When you go to sell it I think it will 
fit me! :p

-Dave J

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Re: [RBW] Re: Custom bike

[Ryan Fleming]

Yours is a real classic too...colour looks more metallic than Toshi's 
though...just an observation

On Monday, September 11, 2017 at 5:59:57 PM UTC-5, reynoldslugs wrote:
>
> Toshi -
>
> That bike is stunning.  The green looks pretty close to my emerald green 
> 2003 custom:
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/albums/72157625808579123
>
> twins separated at birth?
>
> Enjoy that beautiful bike,
>
> Max Beach
> Santa Rosa CA
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Re: [RBW] Re: Custom bike

[Toshi Takeuchi]

Hi all,

The screw in the back is a recessed rack mount.  My chainstays are 49 cm
long from the center of the bb to the center of the rear dropout.  I have a
24-38-48 crank with 11-34 cassette.

See you,
Toshi


On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 2:13 PM, lum gim fong  wrote:

> Congrats on the new bike!
>
> What toothcounts are on the cassette and the  crankset?
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[RBW] Re: Custom bike

[lum gim fong]

Congrats on the new bike!

What toothcounts are on the cassette and the  crankset?

 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Custom bike

[David Johnston]

Very Cool! I've always wanted a green bike. Out of curiosity what did
the chainstays measure out as? Are the tires 650b Hetre?

-Dave

On 9/12/17, Ryan Fleming  wrote:
> Neat...that is a real custom
>
> What is the screw in the seat stay above the bridge to the left of your
> pump...I know it has a purpose...is it for a rack mount? So there is
> probably one on the other side I guess. How elegant is that?
>
> On Tuesday, September 12, 2017 at 10:56:41 AM UTC-5, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>>
>> I am so happy for you...your bike is a real stunner...built by the best!
>>
>> On Monday, September 11, 2017 at 10:10:53 PM UTC-5, ttoshi wrote:
>>>
>>> I definitely had fun with the Rasta Paul skewers, but the other key
>>> features are credited to Mark Abele who worked with Mark Nobilette to not
>>>
>>> only implement the ideas but make it a work of art.
>>>
>>> Check out the front fender which Mark kept in place under the rack to
>>> maintain a beautiful curve.
>>>
>>> The dynamo wiring is meticulously organized and the rear wiring is not
>>> shown in the blug  but has beautiful wire guides that are tastefully
>>> hidden
>>> from view when looking from the rear.
>>>
>>> Look at the rear cable stop in the last blug pic--wow that sure beats a
>>> cable hanger any day :)!
>>>
>>> Mark had the idea to put some extra braze-ons for the pump. I was a
>>> little skeptical because my frames tend to be a tight fit, but the pump
>>> fits beautifully. I should have had a flask holder too ;)!
>>>
>>> The paint is so beautiful I had to get a kickstand to protect it! I am
>>> definitely loving every minute with the bike!
>>>
>>> Toshi
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 5:01 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
 There's a bunch of amazing pics of this on the BLUG. I know this is the

 littlest thing in comparison to all the other amazing details, but I
 never
 would have picked multicolored Paul skewers on a green frame: It's so
 cool!
 My Cheviot-green Clem L is definitely getting those skewers.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Custom bike

[Ryan Fleming]

Neat...that is a real custom

What is the screw in the seat stay above the bridge to the left of your 
pump...I know it has a purpose...is it for a rack mount? So there is 
probably one on the other side I guess. How elegant is that?

On Tuesday, September 12, 2017 at 10:56:41 AM UTC-5, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>
> I am so happy for you...your bike is a real stunner...built by the best!
>
> On Monday, September 11, 2017 at 10:10:53 PM UTC-5, ttoshi wrote:
>>
>> I definitely had fun with the Rasta Paul skewers, but the other key 
>> features are credited to Mark Abele who worked with Mark Nobilette to not 
>> only implement the ideas but make it a work of art.
>>
>> Check out the front fender which Mark kept in place under the rack to 
>> maintain a beautiful curve. 
>>
>> The dynamo wiring is meticulously organized and the rear wiring is not 
>> shown in the blug  but has beautiful wire guides that are tastefully hidden 
>> from view when looking from the rear.
>>
>> Look at the rear cable stop in the last blug pic--wow that sure beats a 
>> cable hanger any day :)!
>>
>> Mark had the idea to put some extra braze-ons for the pump. I was a 
>> little skeptical because my frames tend to be a tight fit, but the pump 
>> fits beautifully. I should have had a flask holder too ;)!
>>
>> The paint is so beautiful I had to get a kickstand to protect it! I am 
>> definitely loving every minute with the bike!
>>
>> Toshi
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 5:01 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>>> There's a bunch of amazing pics of this on the BLUG. I know this is the 
>>> littlest thing in comparison to all the other amazing details, but I never 
>>> would have picked multicolored Paul skewers on a green frame: It's so cool! 
>>> My Cheviot-green Clem L is definitely getting those skewers.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Custom bike

[Ryan Fleming]

I am so happy for you...your bike is a real stunner...built by the best!

On Monday, September 11, 2017 at 10:10:53 PM UTC-5, ttoshi wrote:
>
> I definitely had fun with the Rasta Paul skewers, but the other key 
> features are credited to Mark Abele who worked with Mark Nobilette to not 
> only implement the ideas but make it a work of art.
>
> Check out the front fender which Mark kept in place under the rack to 
> maintain a beautiful curve. 
>
> The dynamo wiring is meticulously organized and the rear wiring is not 
> shown in the blug  but has beautiful wire guides that are tastefully hidden 
> from view when looking from the rear.
>
> Look at the rear cable stop in the last blug pic--wow that sure beats a 
> cable hanger any day :)!
>
> Mark had the idea to put some extra braze-ons for the pump. I was a little 
> skeptical because my frames tend to be a tight fit, but the pump fits 
> beautifully. I should have had a flask holder too ;)!
>
> The paint is so beautiful I had to get a kickstand to protect it! I am 
> definitely loving every minute with the bike!
>
> Toshi
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 5:01 PM Joe Bernard  > wrote:
>
>> There's a bunch of amazing pics of this on the BLUG. I know this is the 
>> littlest thing in comparison to all the other amazing details, but I never 
>> would have picked multicolored Paul skewers on a green frame: It's so cool! 
>> My Cheviot-green Clem L is definitely getting those skewers.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Custom bike

[Toshi Takeuchi]

I definitely had fun with the Rasta Paul skewers, but the other key
features are credited to Mark Abele who worked with Mark Nobilette to not
only implement the ideas but make it a work of art.

Check out the front fender which Mark kept in place under the rack to
maintain a beautiful curve.

The dynamo wiring is meticulously organized and the rear wiring is not
shown in the blug  but has beautiful wire guides that are tastefully hidden
from view when looking from the rear.

Look at the rear cable stop in the last blug pic--wow that sure beats a
cable hanger any day :)!

Mark had the idea to put some extra braze-ons for the pump. I was a little
skeptical because my frames tend to be a tight fit, but the pump fits
beautifully. I should have had a flask holder too ;)!

The paint is so beautiful I had to get a kickstand to protect it! I am
definitely loving every minute with the bike!

Toshi


On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 5:01 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> There's a bunch of amazing pics of this on the BLUG. I know this is the
> littlest thing in comparison to all the other amazing details, but I never
> would have picked multicolored Paul skewers on a green frame: It's so cool!
> My Cheviot-green Clem L is definitely getting those skewers.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Custom bike

[Toshi Takeuchi]

Hi Max--beautiful color! Hopefully the twins can ride together at a Riv
gathering!

Toshi


On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 4:00 PM reynoldslugs  wrote:

> Toshi -
>
> That bike is stunning.  The green looks pretty close to my emerald green
> 2003 custom:
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/albums/72157625808579123
>
> twins separated at birth?
>
> Enjoy that beautiful bike,
>
> Max Beach
> Santa Rosa CA
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Re: [RBW] Re: Custom bike

[reynoldslugs]

ok, one more comparison.  The mounting of the pump on the seat stays got me 
thinking - here's my vote in support of seat-stay brazeons (albeit for a 
slightly different use):

https://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/13677927445/in/album-72157643546486474/

and

https://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/13677921485/in/album-72157643546486474/

I actually like the idea of using that spot for a pump.  Well done, Toshi.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Custom bike

[Joe Bernard]

There's a bunch of amazing pics of this on the BLUG. I know this is the 
littlest thing in comparison to all the other amazing details, but I never 
would have picked multicolored Paul skewers on a green frame: It's so cool! My 
Cheviot-green Clem L is definitely getting those skewers. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Custom bike

[reynoldslugs]

Toshi -

That bike is stunning.  The green looks pretty close to my emerald green 
2003 custom:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/albums/72157625808579123

twins separated at birth?

Enjoy that beautiful bike,

Max Beach
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Re: [RBW] Re: Custom bike

[RichS]

Congratulations Toshi. That's a beauty.   Well done!

Best,
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Re: [RBW] Re: Custom bike

[Ron Mc]

It's time to quit Toshi - building another bike after this one would be 
pointless - she's perfect.  

On Monday, September 11, 2017 at 12:19:01 AM UTC-5, ttoshi wrote:
>
> I picked up the custom on Saturday, and it is really perfect for me.  It 
> feels fast in handling, extremely responsive to weight shifts, but feels 
> stable.  The top tube is about the same length as the Roadeo, so the drops 
> feel extremely comfortable, and the bars are set up high so I will feel 
> really comfortable on long distance rides. 
>
> I am greatly honored by all of the work that Mark put into building up the 
> bike.  It has many thoughtful features that I hope to highlight later in 
> pictures, and the dynamo wiring was a nightmare that he fully tamed and 
> organized on the bike.  I feel extremely fortunate and lucky to have 
> received the kind of effort and attention along every step of the way that 
> was necessary to receive this bike.  
>
> --I offer this first photo of the custom quickly taken with my phone.  I 
> promise more pictures and closeups at a later date.
>
> Toshi
>
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Custom bike

[Ryan Fleming]

that is a beauty

On Monday, September 11, 2017 at 12:19:01 AM UTC-5, ttoshi wrote:
>
> I picked up the custom on Saturday, and it is really perfect for me.  It 
> feels fast in handling, extremely responsive to weight shifts, but feels 
> stable.  The top tube is about the same length as the Roadeo, so the drops 
> feel extremely comfortable, and the bars are set up high so I will feel 
> really comfortable on long distance rides. 
>
> I am greatly honored by all of the work that Mark put into building up the 
> bike.  It has many thoughtful features that I hope to highlight later in 
> pictures, and the dynamo wiring was a nightmare that he fully tamed and 
> organized on the bike.  I feel extremely fortunate and lucky to have 
> received the kind of effort and attention along every step of the way that 
> was necessary to receive this bike.  
>
> --I offer this first photo of the custom quickly taken with my phone.  I 
> promise more pictures and closeups at a later date.
>
> Toshi
>
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Custom bike

[Toshi Takeuchi]

On Sun, Sep 3, 2017 at 6:22 PM Dave Johnston  wrote:

> Any more build pictures?
>
> Eagerly awaiting the full build!,
> Dave
>

Picking up the built up custom tomorrow. Gonna take it for a spin
home--will try to post some pics soon.

Toshi


> On Friday, August 18, 2017 at 1:33:52 PM UTC-4, ttoshi wrote:
>>
>> Hi all, I've gotten several questions about the custom up on Instagram,
>> so I thought I would tell you about the bike.
>>
>> I plan to use the 650b bike for randonneuring.  It has the dropout that
>> allows a wireless connection to a Schmidt dynamo.  I'm planning to ride
>> with 42mm Hetre/BSP tires.  The 42s likely wouldn't clear the Paul Racers
>> without deflation, so I opted to get the Compass Centerpulls.  There is
>> internal wire routing as well as some thoughtful braze-ons for wiring of
>> the taillight in the rear.
>>
>> While Grant was designing the bike, he had me ride the Blue Rosco Road.
>> The long chainstays gave the Rosco Road a fantastic stability in the ride,
>> but the bike felt really nimble when I shifted my weight.  I know that I am
>> going to love the ride with the long chainstays.
>>
>> Can't wait till it's built up!
>>
>> Toshi
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Re: [RBW] Re: Custom bike

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Are those fenders or umbrellas?

On Friday, September 8, 2017 at 12:34:45 AM UTC-4, Brewster Fong wrote:
>
>
>
> On Thursday, September 7, 2017 at 8:07:58 PM UTC-7, Fullylugged wrote:
>>
>> And don't forget the Sauron MTB ;)
>
>
> You mean this one?
>
> 
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Custom bike

[Ron Mc]

Beautiful frame.  

On Friday, August 18, 2017 at 12:48:23 PM UTC-5, ttoshi wrote:
>
> I don't have an instagram account either, but you can look at the riv 
> instagram pictures through a link in the Blug.  Here is the link to my 
> picture: https://www.instagram.com/p/BX6vQ-gl7WQ/
>
> Toshi
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Custom bike

[Bruce]

The very one!

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On Thursday, September 7, 2017 at 8:07:58 PM UTC-7, Fullylugged wrote:
And don't forget the Sauron MTB ;)

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Re: [RBW] Re: Custom bike

[Brewster Fong]

On Thursday, September 7, 2017 at 8:07:58 PM UTC-7, Fullylugged wrote:
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> And don't forget the Sauron MTB ;)


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Re: [RBW] Re: Custom bike

[Fullylugged]

And don't forget the Sauron MTB ;)

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[RBW] Re: Custom bike

[Dave Johnston]

Any more build pictures? 

Eagerly awaiting the full build!,
Dave


On Friday, August 18, 2017 at 1:33:52 PM UTC-4, ttoshi wrote:
>
> Hi all, I've gotten several questions about the custom up on Instagram, so 
> I thought I would tell you about the bike.
>
> I plan to use the 650b bike for randonneuring.  It has the dropout that 
> allows a wireless connection to a Schmidt dynamo.  I'm planning to ride 
> with 42mm Hetre/BSP tires.  The 42s likely wouldn't clear the Paul Racers 
> without deflation, so I opted to get the Compass Centerpulls.  There is 
> internal wire routing as well as some thoughtful braze-ons for wiring of 
> the taillight in the rear.
>
> While Grant was designing the bike, he had me ride the Blue Rosco Road.  
> The long chainstays gave the Rosco Road a fantastic stability in the ride, 
> but the bike felt really nimble when I shifted my weight.  I know that I am 
> going to love the ride with the long chainstays.  
>
> Can't wait till it's built up!
>
> Toshi
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Custom bike

[Patrick Moore]

Ah, and Quickbeam.

On Sun, Aug 27, 2017 at 1:25 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Legolas and Bombadil.
>
> On Sat, Aug 26, 2017 at 3:52 PM, John Hawrylak 
> wrote:
>
>> I'm confused on the Tolkien discussion.   Patrick brought up the
>> mountaineering company which I remember GP stating.  The only Tolkien names
>> I recall is the Baggins Bags.  The Bike names did not seem particularly
>> Tolkien, Atlantis is a well know lost continent, not Middle Earth.
>>
>> Anyhow, how did it get mentioned on Toshi's custom??
>>
>> John Hawrylak
>> Woodstown NJ
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Re: [RBW] Re: Custom bike

[Patrick Moore]

Legolas and Bombadil.

On Sat, Aug 26, 2017 at 3:52 PM, John Hawrylak 
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> I'm confused on the Tolkien discussion.   Patrick brought up the
> mountaineering company which I remember GP stating.  The only Tolkien names
> I recall is the Baggins Bags.  The Bike names did not seem particularly
> Tolkien, Atlantis is a well know lost continent, not Middle Earth.
>
> Anyhow, how did it get mentioned on Toshi's custom??
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[RBW] Re: Custom bike

[lconley]

Bombadil - in the books, didn't make the movies.

On Saturday, August 26, 2017 at 6:53:13 PM UTC-4, Christopher Murray wrote:
>
> Legolas, Quickbeam, Baggins (a line of bags), and possibly a few others 
> are Tolkien names. Someone mentioned that Rivendell doesn't put Rivendell 
> on the downtube of non-customs and suggested it was tied to the Tolkien 
> name issue. 
>
> Along with Tolkien, Rivendell was also an outdoor gear company Grant 
> admired. 
>
> A bit off topic/ thread hijack for sure!
>
> cm
>
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[RBW] Re: Custom bike

[Christopher Murray]

Legolas, Quickbeam, Baggins (a line of bags), and possibly a few others are 
Tolkien names. Someone mentioned that Rivendell doesn't put Rivendell on the 
downtube of non-customs and suggested it was tied to the Tolkien name issue. 

Along with Tolkien, Rivendell was also an outdoor gear company Grant admired. 

A bit off topic/ thread hijack for sure!

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[RBW] Re: Custom bike

[John Hawrylak]

I'm confused on the Tolkien discussion.   Patrick brought up the 
mountaineering company which I remember GP stating.  The only Tolkien names 
I recall is the Baggins Bags.  The Bike names did not seem particularly 
Tolkien, Atlantis is a well know lost continent, not Middle Earth.

Anyhow, how did it get mentioned on Toshi's custom??

John Hawrylak
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Re: [RBW] Re: Custom bike

[Patrick Moore]

I think there is a complication. If I remember correctly, Grant actually
named his company after a '70s, US manufacturer of camping gear --
Rivendell Mountain Works? Whether or not it was they, they have a current
web presence.*

*And isn't that a sinister phrase? (Whooo! A web presence!)

>From the RMW "web presence":

The Back Story

Rivendell Mountain Works was the brainchild of Larry Horton back in 1971.
The flagship products were both based on designs created by the late Don
Jensen, who was a climber active with the Harvard Mountaineering Club, in
the 1960’s. Larry had a keen sense of how to manufacture these products to
a high standard and a design philosophy of adhering to a theme of
simplicity. In the 1977 catalog, Larry wrote “In spite of our choice to
remain a cottage industry-or, perhaps, because of it-we have managed to
continue an innovative influence on the world of equipment for backpackers,
climbers and skiers.”

One thing that RMW gear came to represent, in the 1970’s, was gear that was
reliable and had great longevity. Packs and tents are certainly two of the
most important items that you need to be able to trust implicitly. Even now
the Jensen Pack™ is built to be far more durable than many packs on the
market today. For longevity and during extreme use, it is just not going to
come apart on you. These packs are overbuilt to the nines.

On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 6:31 PM, Bill M.  wrote:

> This may have to do with some dealings with the Tolkien estate.  IIRC
> Grant agreed to stop using middle-Earthian related names for any new
> products but was allowed to keep the company name.  So, customs under the
> Rivendell name and the Legolas are grandfathered, but new products get
> names like Clem and Homer.
>
> Bill
> Stockton, CA
>
> On Sunday, August 20, 2017 at 5:29:21 AM UTC-7, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>>
>>
>> Riv is the only bike company I know where the stock bike model names get
>> first billing on the down tube.
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[RBW] Re: Custom bike

[Joe Bernard]

The last part is definitely correct. When the Heron project happened the 
original Rivendell-labeled frames became customs, and it was ever thus through 
Atlantis, Rambouillet and onward. The model names took a turn to avoid Tolkein 
references  later, but that was not the issue with the Rivendell name.   

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[RBW] Re: Custom bike

[Christopher Murray]

The Tolkien names thing was a story in several chapters. IIRC, it was 
originally stated that Riv was contacted by the movie people and told to stop 
using the Tolkien names that came after the production of the movies. A few 
years later Riv said that they had agreed to stop using the names voluntarily 
when they were contacted by the movie people. Next, Grant said that they were 
contacted by the movie people and Riv agreed to stop using the names 
voluntarily but the movie people really had no real legal recourse. Then Riv 
said they had agreed to not put the names on the website or advertisements but 
could still make the bikes and that it was all probably moot anyway because the 
movie people couldn't really stop them if they wanted to put them on the site 
but that it just wasn't worth the hassle and Riv went in another direction 
naming wise. I think that's where it currently stands.

I think the Rivendell/ no Rivendell downtube is just Grant's preference and 
possibly tied to the historical trajectory started with the multi-party Heron 
bikes. 

Cheers!
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[RBW] Re: Custom bike

[Bill M.]

This may have to do with some dealings with the Tolkien estate.  IIRC Grant 
agreed to stop using middle-Earthian related names for any new products but 
was allowed to keep the company name.  So, customs under the Rivendell name 
and the Legolas are grandfathered, but new products get names like Clem and 
Homer.  

Bill
Stockton, CA

On Sunday, August 20, 2017 at 5:29:21 AM UTC-7, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>
>
> Riv is the only bike company I know where the stock bike model names get 
> first billing on the down tube. 
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[RBW] Re: Custom bike

[Tony DeFilippo]

Gorgeous frame, and I'd wondered about the details having seen it on Rivs feed 
so thank you!  I love the idea of the son for connector for a no wires Dyno.  
That really seems like the ultimate indulgence in rando-frame options to me.  
That green and the Rivendell on the down tube is also superb.

Riv is the only bike company I know where the stock bike model names get first 
billing on the down tube. Really interesting because you have to be familiar 
with the frames to know it's a Riv.  And then the cost of entry for a bike 
without the Riv logo on your down tube is 1.5-2x...  I do think my Saluki would 
be 1.5-2x faster and sexier with Rivendell on the down tube.  But other than a 
son connector fork and a touch more tire clearance I don't think I'd change 
anything.

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[RBW] Re: Custom bike

['Ann L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Toshi:

The frame is beautiful.  I would love to see how the build turns out.

Ann

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Re: [RBW] Re: Custom bike

[Ryan Fleming]

For me it was 3500 for the frame with braze-ons for Paul centerpulls. + 
parts and labour and I got pretty fancy with the parts (Paul,Phil ,Chris 
King,  WI , lots of Nitto, Rich l-built wheels,yada,yada,yada. Fenders but 
no racks or bags)

On Friday, August 18, 2017 at 2:47:33 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> That's a beauty. Yes, lots of photos when it's built, please.
>
> What is a custom going for now?
>
> Lee: Toshi will speak for himself, but what I've noticed in all the Rivs 
> I've ridden is an absence of twitchiness when you are going straight at 
> speed, but also an absence of any hesitation or sluggishness when you 
> initiate a turn. It seems to be a Rivendell quality. 
>
> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 11:48 AM, Toshi Takeuchi  > wrote:
>
>> I don't have an instagram account either, but you can look at the riv 
>> instagram pictures through a link in the Blug.  Here is the link to my 
>> picture: https://www.instagram.com/p/BX6vQ-gl7WQ/
>>
>> Toshi
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 10:38 AM, 'Dave Small' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>>
>>> For those of us without an Instagram account, it'd be nice if you could 
>>> post pictures of the bike you're describing.  
>>>
>>> Dave
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Re: [RBW] Re: Custom bike

[Toshi Takeuchi]

Hi Lee,

Yes Patrick is right, the stability is a feeling of being in control of the
bike with the absence of any jittery feeling or twitchiness.  I had a
similar epiphany when I converted my Ram from 700c to 650b and went from 32
mm 700c tires to 42 mm 650b tires.  The wide supple tires gave a strikingly
greater feeling of control and balance on my bike.

--Not sure how long the chainstays are--I didn't see the final geometry on
paper...

Toshi


On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 12:37 PM, Lee Legrand  wrote:

> Hi Toshi,
>
> What do you mean by stable? Do you mean the rear does not wag when you
> climb out of the seat? (That what happens on my old bike)
>
> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 2:17 PM, Ryan Fleming <
> ryanmalloryflem...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Wownice...can't wait to see it all built up
>>
>>
>> On Friday, August 18, 2017 at 12:33:52 PM UTC-5, ttoshi wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all, I've gotten several questions about the custom up on Instagram,
>>> so I thought I would tell you about the bike.
>>>
>>> I plan to use the 650b bike for randonneuring.  It has the dropout that
>>> allows a wireless connection to a Schmidt dynamo.  I'm planning to ride
>>> with 42mm Hetre/BSP tires.  The 42s likely wouldn't clear the Paul Racers
>>> without deflation, so I opted to get the Compass Centerpulls.  There is
>>> internal wire routing as well as some thoughtful braze-ons for wiring of
>>> the taillight in the rear.
>>>
>>> While Grant was designing the bike, he had me ride the Blue Rosco Road.
>>> The long chainstays gave the Rosco Road a fantastic stability in the ride,
>>> but the bike felt really nimble when I shifted my weight.  I know that I am
>>> going to love the ride with the long chainstays.
>>>
>>> Can't wait till it's built up!
>>>
>>> Toshi
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Custom bike

[Patrick Moore]

Toshi: how long are those chainstays? >45 cm?

On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 1:47 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> That's a beauty. Yes, lots of photos when it's built, please.
>
> What is a custom going for now?
>
> Lee: Toshi will speak for himself, but what I've noticed in all the Rivs
> I've ridden is an absence of twitchiness when you are going straight at
> speed, but also an absence of any hesitation or sluggishness when you
> initiate a turn. It seems to be a Rivendell quality.
>
> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 11:48 AM, Toshi Takeuchi  wrote:
>
>> I don't have an instagram account either, but you can look at the riv
>> instagram pictures through a link in the Blug.  Here is the link to my
>> picture: https://www.instagram.com/p/BX6vQ-gl7WQ/
>>
>> Toshi
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 10:38 AM, 'Dave Small' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
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>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Custom bike

[Patrick Moore]

That's a beauty. Yes, lots of photos when it's built, please.

What is a custom going for now?

Lee: Toshi will speak for himself, but what I've noticed in all the Rivs
I've ridden is an absence of twitchiness when you are going straight at
speed, but also an absence of any hesitation or sluggishness when you
initiate a turn. It seems to be a Rivendell quality.

On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 11:48 AM, Toshi Takeuchi  wrote:

> I don't have an instagram account either, but you can look at the riv
> instagram pictures through a link in the Blug.  Here is the link to my
> picture: https://www.instagram.com/p/BX6vQ-gl7WQ/
>
> Toshi
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 10:38 AM, 'Dave Small' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:
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>> post pictures of the bike you're describing.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Custom bike

[Lee Legrand]

Hi Toshi,

What do you mean by stable? Do you mean the rear does not wag when you
climb out of the seat? (That what happens on my old bike)

On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 2:17 PM, Ryan Fleming 
wrote:

> Wownice...can't wait to see it all built up
>
>
> On Friday, August 18, 2017 at 12:33:52 PM UTC-5, ttoshi wrote:
>>
>> Hi all, I've gotten several questions about the custom up on Instagram,
>> so I thought I would tell you about the bike.
>>
>> I plan to use the 650b bike for randonneuring.  It has the dropout that
>> allows a wireless connection to a Schmidt dynamo.  I'm planning to ride
>> with 42mm Hetre/BSP tires.  The 42s likely wouldn't clear the Paul Racers
>> without deflation, so I opted to get the Compass Centerpulls.  There is
>> internal wire routing as well as some thoughtful braze-ons for wiring of
>> the taillight in the rear.
>>
>> While Grant was designing the bike, he had me ride the Blue Rosco Road.
>> The long chainstays gave the Rosco Road a fantastic stability in the ride,
>> but the bike felt really nimble when I shifted my weight.  I know that I am
>> going to love the ride with the long chainstays.
>>
>> Can't wait till it's built up!
>>
>> Toshi
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[RBW] Re: Custom bike

[Ryan Fleming]

Wownice...can't wait to see it all built up

On Friday, August 18, 2017 at 12:33:52 PM UTC-5, ttoshi wrote:
>
> Hi all, I've gotten several questions about the custom up on Instagram, so 
> I thought I would tell you about the bike.
>
> I plan to use the 650b bike for randonneuring.  It has the dropout that 
> allows a wireless connection to a Schmidt dynamo.  I'm planning to ride 
> with 42mm Hetre/BSP tires.  The 42s likely wouldn't clear the Paul Racers 
> without deflation, so I opted to get the Compass Centerpulls.  There is 
> internal wire routing as well as some thoughtful braze-ons for wiring of 
> the taillight in the rear.
>
> While Grant was designing the bike, he had me ride the Blue Rosco Road.  
> The long chainstays gave the Rosco Road a fantastic stability in the ride, 
> but the bike felt really nimble when I shifted my weight.  I know that I am 
> going to love the ride with the long chainstays.  
>
> Can't wait till it's built up!
>
> Toshi
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Custom bike

[Bill Lindsay]

Toshi, it looks spectacular.  I can't wait to see it built up.  I love that 
you went with the long chainstays.  

BL in EC

On Friday, August 18, 2017 at 10:33:52 AM UTC-7, ttoshi wrote:
>
> Hi all, I've gotten several questions about the custom up on Instagram, so 
> I thought I would tell you about the bike.
>
> I plan to use the 650b bike for randonneuring.  It has the dropout that 
> allows a wireless connection to a Schmidt dynamo.  I'm planning to ride 
> with 42mm Hetre/BSP tires.  The 42s likely wouldn't clear the Paul Racers 
> without deflation, so I opted to get the Compass Centerpulls.  There is 
> internal wire routing as well as some thoughtful braze-ons for wiring of 
> the taillight in the rear.
>
> While Grant was designing the bike, he had me ride the Blue Rosco Road.  
> The long chainstays gave the Rosco Road a fantastic stability in the ride, 
> but the bike felt really nimble when I shifted my weight.  I know that I am 
> going to love the ride with the long chainstays.  
>
> Can't wait till it's built up!
>
> Toshi
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Custom bike

[Toshi Takeuchi]

I don't have an instagram account either, but you can look at the riv
instagram pictures through a link in the Blug.  Here is the link to my
picture: https://www.instagram.com/p/BX6vQ-gl7WQ/

Toshi


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[RBW] Re: Custom bike

['Dave Small' via RBW Owners Bunch]

For those of us without an Instagram account, it'd be nice if you could 
post pictures of the bike you're describing.  

Dave

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