Re: [RBW] Re: Do you leave it alone...or must you monkey?

[Todd G.]

I’m always adjusting or swapping stuff on a new bike until I get everything 
right where I want it. Sometimes it happens quickly, other times it takes a 
month, 2 months etc to get everything dialed in. I suppose it also depends 
on how much I’m riding and the particular use for the build on the bike.

Either way, your Atlantis looks amazing!

On Wednesday, September 30, 2020 at 9:27:15 AM UTC-7 bjmi...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> [image: atlantis.jpg]
>
> So. Very. Excited. Opening the box and putting it together was one of the 
> biggest thrills of my life. Using Mark's little tricks in the videos (using 
> grease/wax on bolts, washers, etc...) was also dorkily fun. Moving parts 
> (bell, rack, mirror, reflectors, etc...) Had a little frustration with 5mm 
> bolts being to small for the rack mounts and 6mm bolts being too big...but 
> as I'm sure you all know, the paint in the threads was keeping the 6 from 
> going in easily. 
>
> My biggest anxiety since placing the order was about the size of the bike. 
> I worried a little that there wouldn't be much of a difference in some 
> aspects of the geometry...my current bike is listed as having a 59cm seat 
> tube, so I figured my steatpost would be jacked up just as high and look 
> stupid. I also worried that maybe the 62cm Atlantis (which has been sold 
> out) would be a better fit. My PBH is just a hair over 93...not quite 93.5. 
> According to the sizing chart, I could ride a 59 or 62 with that PBH. 
> Standing over this bike, I am SO glad I got a 59. Vince said the Atlantis 
> rides a little bigger than it's size indicates, and he was right (of course 
> he was!). 
>
> I am glad I did a full build with Rivendell and let them worry about 
> components. I guess I approved them, but don't know Deore from Altus. The 
> bike just plain hums with everything working together. The only components 
> I would have insisted on had Vince not included them in the first email 
> would have been the cork grips, inboard thumb shifters, and Monarch pedals. 
> I was a little down that the derailer he picked was black...I had always 
> envisioned all shiny metal components. Then when I saw the bike in person I 
> was just a little sad that the QR skewers were also black. But looking at 
> the bike, I love how the derailer, skewers, and trim of the fenders are all 
> black and kind of set off the shinier stuff. It makes sense...and I think 
> I'd choose this kind of color scheme if I had the choice. 
>
> I really like the Choco bar. I have a fake Albatross on my old bike...love 
> the look of it and needed the rise on my too-small old bike (with a dirt 
> drop stem). Choco is perfect and has more hand positions. 
>
> There are only two things that weren't perfect. 
>
> The handlebars did not get taped. I emailed Vince a few days after I paid 
> and asked if it could be added and he got back to me a bit later and sent 
> me an invoice to pay for the tape. I'm not sending the bike back to get the 
> handle bar taped...and I'm too happy about the bike to really care about 
> the six bucks. I was mostly looking forward to having a Mark-twined 
> handlebar...but I did my own tape and twine on my old bike and it looks 
> great. No big deal. 
>
> There is no foot on the Pletscher kick stand...but that might be normal. I 
> know when you buy a stand separately, the foot doesn't come along with it. 
> Maybe I should have mentioned the foot when I placed the order. This one is 
> likely on me.
>
>
> So yeah! Couldn't be happier! Took a nice zippy ride yesterday evening 
> before fussing with the accessories to dial in some preferences and rode it 
> to work for the first time this morning. I've wanted a Riv FOREVER...a 
> college roommate had one...I've read everything I could get my eyes on 
> about the brand, reviews, the website, etc... I knew I'd like it, but I can 
> say without any hesitation now that I totally "get it" now. It's just a 
> bike, but wowWHAT a bike. 
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, September 24, 2020 at 12:36:01 PM UTC-5 Ben Mihovk wrote:
>
>> Doug,
>> Yes, I've seen the pack job! I've watched the video of Mark assembling a 
>> Homer maybe fifteen times now (love the video and the music).
>>
>> Good advice on riding for a while before tinkering. I'll definitely go 
>> that way.
>>
>> Ben
>>
>> On Thursday, September 24, 2020 at 12:28:45 PM UTC-5 dougP wrote:
>>
>>> Ben:
>>>
>>> You've probably seen photos on this forum of the epic packing job that 
>>> Rivendell does.  When I got my Atlantis, I was able to ride it within an 
>>> hour of delivery, and I think the saddle & the pedals were the only things 
>>> I had to install.  Like you, I went with their suggestion on parts & some 
>>> of the originals are still on there.  Ride it out of the box, then start 
>>> tinkering.  I think it took me a couple of weeks to find something to fuss 
>>> with.  
>>>
>>> dougP
>>>
>>> On Thursday, September 24, 2020 at 7:04:01 AM UTC-7, Ben Mihovk wrote:

 Got shipping 

Re: [RBW] Re: Do you leave it alone...or must you monkey?

[Ben Mihovk]

Doug,
Yes, I've seen the pack job! I've watched the video of Mark assembling a 
Homer maybe fifteen times now (love the video and the music).

Good advice on riding for a while before tinkering. I'll definitely go that 
way.

Ben

On Thursday, September 24, 2020 at 12:28:45 PM UTC-5 dougP wrote:

> Ben:
>
> You've probably seen photos on this forum of the epic packing job that 
> Rivendell does.  When I got my Atlantis, I was able to ride it within an 
> hour of delivery, and I think the saddle & the pedals were the only things 
> I had to install.  Like you, I went with their suggestion on parts & some 
> of the originals are still on there.  Ride it out of the box, then start 
> tinkering.  I think it took me a couple of weeks to find something to fuss 
> with.  
>
> dougP
>
> On Thursday, September 24, 2020 at 7:04:01 AM UTC-7, Ben Mihovk wrote:
>>
>> Got shipping notification for my Atlantis yesterday! I'm beyond excited. 
>>
>> I'll post a pic when it gets here...I'd do a full list of components now, 
>> but honestly I went with what Vince picked out and my only input was that I 
>> didn't need a saddle, I wanted the front of the Choco bar taped up, and 
>> that I wanted inboard thumb shifters. 
>>
>> Should be ready to pick up at UPS Customer Center on Tuesday after work. 
>> Cooler weather coming to Omaha should make for a lovely commute next 
>> Wednesday morning! 
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 16, 2020 at 8:58:59 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Either that or it shows that I'm dyslexic. I think I am a bit dyslexic: 
>>> do very well with words and concepts, but visual images and arrangements 
>>> confuse me.
>>>
>>> Patrick "which left, the right left or the left left?" Moore, who had to 
>>> transcribe Descarte's *Geometry* and Newton's *Principia* into words 
>>> before he could assimilate algebra and calculus.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 7:51 PM Jason Fuller  wrote:
>>>
 Patrick, just the fact you had to correct the typo of which Dura Ace RD 
 you were referring to, lest you suffer the embarrassment of referencing a 
 non-existent variant, illustrates your point very well I think.   :D :D ;) 
 ;) 





 On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 6:37 PM Patrick Moore  
 wrote:

> "7401" and not "7410."
>
> On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 7:34 PM Patrick Moore  
> wrote:
>
>> ...The 7410 shifts to the 42/25 *sometimes* and seems to work if you 
>> don't screw down the B screw. But on the 7401 there *is* no B screw. 
>> So I filed the stop on the Paragon hanger, and tomorrow will consider 
>> grinding off a wee bit of the integrated, non-adjustable "B stop" tab.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Do you leave it alone...or must you monkey?

[dougP]

Ben:

You've probably seen photos on this forum of the epic packing job that 
Rivendell does.  When I got my Atlantis, I was able to ride it within an 
hour of delivery, and I think the saddle & the pedals were the only things 
I had to install.  Like you, I went with their suggestion on parts & some 
of the originals are still on there.  Ride it out of the box, then start 
tinkering.  I think it took me a couple of weeks to find something to fuss 
with.  

dougP

On Thursday, September 24, 2020 at 7:04:01 AM UTC-7, Ben Mihovk wrote:
>
> Got shipping notification for my Atlantis yesterday! I'm beyond excited. 
>
> I'll post a pic when it gets here...I'd do a full list of components now, 
> but honestly I went with what Vince picked out and my only input was that I 
> didn't need a saddle, I wanted the front of the Choco bar taped up, and 
> that I wanted inboard thumb shifters. 
>
> Should be ready to pick up at UPS Customer Center on Tuesday after work. 
> Cooler weather coming to Omaha should make for a lovely commute next 
> Wednesday morning! 
>
>
> On Wednesday, September 16, 2020 at 8:58:59 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Either that or it shows that I'm dyslexic. I think I am a bit dyslexic: 
>> do very well with words and concepts, but visual images and arrangements 
>> confuse me.
>>
>> Patrick "which left, the right left or the left left?" Moore, who had to 
>> transcribe Descarte's *Geometry* and Newton's *Principia* into words 
>> before he could assimilate algebra and calculus.
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 7:51 PM Jason Fuller  wrote:
>>
>>> Patrick, just the fact you had to correct the typo of which Dura Ace RD 
>>> you were referring to, lest you suffer the embarrassment of referencing a 
>>> non-existent variant, illustrates your point very well I think.   :D :D ;) 
>>> ;) 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 6:37 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>>
 "7401" and not "7410."

 On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 7:34 PM Patrick Moore  
 wrote:

> ...The 7410 shifts to the 42/25 *sometimes* and seems to work if you 
> don't screw down the B screw. But on the 7401 there *is* no B screw. 
> So I filed the stop on the Paragon hanger, and tomorrow will consider 
> grinding off a wee bit of the integrated, non-adjustable "B stop" tab.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Do you leave it alone...or must you monkey?

[Ben Mihovk]

Got shipping notification for my Atlantis yesterday! I'm beyond excited. 

I'll post a pic when it gets here...I'd do a full list of components now, 
but honestly I went with what Vince picked out and my only input was that I 
didn't need a saddle, I wanted the front of the Choco bar taped up, and 
that I wanted inboard thumb shifters. 

Should be ready to pick up at UPS Customer Center on Tuesday after work. 
Cooler weather coming to Omaha should make for a lovely commute next 
Wednesday morning! 


On Wednesday, September 16, 2020 at 8:58:59 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Either that or it shows that I'm dyslexic. I think I am a bit dyslexic: do 
> very well with words and concepts, but visual images and arrangements 
> confuse me.
>
> Patrick "which left, the right left or the left left?" Moore, who had to 
> transcribe Descarte's *Geometry* and Newton's *Principia* into words 
> before he could assimilate algebra and calculus.
>
> On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 7:51 PM Jason Fuller  wrote:
>
>> Patrick, just the fact you had to correct the typo of which Dura Ace RD 
>> you were referring to, lest you suffer the embarrassment of referencing a 
>> non-existent variant, illustrates your point very well I think.   :D :D ;) 
>> ;) 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 6:37 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>>> "7401" and not "7410."
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 7:34 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>>
 ...The 7410 shifts to the 42/25 *sometimes* and seems to work if you 
 don't screw down the B screw. But on the 7401 there *is* no B screw. 
 So I filed the stop on the Paragon hanger, and tomorrow will consider 
 grinding off a wee bit of the integrated, non-adjustable "B stop" tab.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Do you leave it alone...or must you monkey?

[Patrick Moore]

Either that or it shows that I'm dyslexic. I think I am a bit dyslexic: do
very well with words and concepts, but visual images and arrangements
confuse me.

Patrick "which left, the right left or the left left?" Moore, who had to
transcribe Descarte's *Geometry* and Newton's *Principia* into words before
he could assimilate algebra and calculus.

On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 7:51 PM Jason Fuller  wrote:

> Patrick, just the fact you had to correct the typo of which Dura Ace RD
> you were referring to, lest you suffer the embarrassment of referencing a
> non-existent variant, illustrates your point very well I think.   :D :D ;)
> ;)
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 6:37 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> "7401" and not "7410."
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 7:34 PM Patrick Moore 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> ...The 7410 shifts to the 42/25 *sometimes* and seems to work if you
>>> don't screw down the B screw. But on the 7401 there *is* no B screw. So
>>> I filed the stop on the Paragon hanger, and tomorrow will consider grinding
>>> off a wee bit of the integrated, non-adjustable "B stop" tab.
>>>
>> ---
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Re: [RBW] Re: Do you leave it alone...or must you monkey?

[Jason Fuller]

Patrick, just the fact you had to correct the typo of which Dura Ace RD you
were referring to, lest you suffer the embarrassment of referencing a
non-existent variant, illustrates your point very well I think.   :D :D ;)
;)





On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 6:37 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> "7401" and not "7410."
>
> On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 7:34 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> ...The 7410 shifts to the 42/25 *sometimes* and seems to work if you
>> don't screw down the B screw. But on the 7401 there *is* no B screw. So
>> I filed the stop on the Paragon hanger, and tomorrow will consider grinding
>> off a wee bit of the integrated, non-adjustable "B stop" tab.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Do you leave it alone...or must you monkey?

[Patrick Moore]

"7401" and not "7410."

On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 7:34 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> ...The 7410 shifts to the 42/25 *sometimes* and seems to work if you
> don't screw down the B screw. But on the 7401 there *is* no B screw. So I
> filed the stop on the Paragon hanger, and tomorrow will consider grinding
> off a wee bit of the integrated, non-adjustable "B stop" tab.
>
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[RBW] Re: Do you leave it alone...or must you monkey?

[Jason Fuller]

I'm a big-time tinkerer.  I also agonize every component and mess around 
with different setups and possibilities. I like bikes as machines as much 
as I like riding them (and they led me to my career as a machine designer) 
and that's a big part of the hobby for me.  I also love a well-used, 
practical bike with a lot of miles on it and that does tend to be at odds 
with my tinkering sometimes. 



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[RBW] Re: Do you leave it alone...or must you monkey?

['WilletM' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Having just finished my first Rivendell project earlier this summer (a 
Protovelo/Bombadil), and after completing it ONLY after 4-5 months of 
(happily) sweating every nut and bolt and fitting every part to the frame 
one after another to see how the fit and function was affected by the mixed 
group and funky geometry-- after ALL THAT, I would heartily recommend that 
you do precisely the same (even if to a lesser degree) and thoroughly make 
it your own from bumper to bumper.

I've spec'd out and built a ton of bikes over the last 25 years (thank you, 
ebay!), and none has been more rewarding than the Protovelo.  It was a lot 
like sorting thru a jumble of dinosaur bones from an archaeological dig, 
then piecing them together and never knowing if it was 20 bones from one 
animal or one bone from 20 different animals.  But oh my, when that last 
jawbone clicks into place (which for me was cobbling together the right 
combination of hardware to attach the front porteur rack to the fork 
crown), it truly makes the end result uniquely and forever yours.

Enjoy your journey!

Willet
Carbondale, CO

On Tuesday, September 15, 2020 at 6:50:51 AM UTC-6 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:

> As I wait for my first Rivendell (sort of) patiently, I can't help but 
> prowl their website and this group and stare at components and accessories 
> that I think I'd like to try. But...the only bike I've ever monkeyed with 
> is my current one that came with a fantastic Shimano RD...and that's about 
> it as far as solid components go. So I'm always playing with the idea of 
> getting a different crank, different brakes, different this or that. 
>
> My question (finally) is this - of those of you who have done an a la 
> carte build through Rivendell, who just leaves everything they picked out 
> and who is constantly trying different components? 
>
> I didn't spring for any Paul components or a set of Rich's wheels, but 
> everything that's coming on this bike is nicer than I need it to be...so 
> the plan is to never change anything except bar tape. But...there is a lot 
> of buying and selling of components here and elswhere.
>
> So yeah...do you tinker with a Riv build, or do you let it be? 
>
> -Ben
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[RBW] Re: Do you leave it alone...or must you monkey?

[Joel]

I buy frames and agonize every part. I scan eBay for NOS components, I buy 
nitto handlebars, seatpost, stem.  I don’t change much but I so tinker with 
bar height, angle, seat position.  Once I get it right I leave it.  

Have fun, this will be your first  of many.  



On Tuesday, September 15, 2020 at 8:50:51 AM UTC-4, Ben Mihovk wrote:
>
> As I wait for my first Rivendell (sort of) patiently, I can't help but 
> prowl their website and this group and stare at components and accessories 
> that I think I'd like to try. But...the only bike I've ever monkeyed with 
> is my current one that came with a fantastic Shimano RD...and that's about 
> it as far as solid components go. So I'm always playing with the idea of 
> getting a different crank, different brakes, different this or that. 
>
> My question (finally) is this - of those of you who have done an a la 
> carte build through Rivendell, who just leaves everything they picked out 
> and who is constantly trying different components? 
>
> I didn't spring for any Paul components or a set of Rich's wheels, but 
> everything that's coming on this bike is nicer than I need it to be...so 
> the plan is to never change anything except bar tape. But...there is a lot 
> of buying and selling of components here and elswhere.
>
> So yeah...do you tinker with a Riv build, or do you let it be? 
>
> -Ben
>

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[RBW] Re: Do you leave it alone...or must you monkey?

[Ben Mihovk]

Hey Eric! Thanks for the reply. I'm thinking about a different seat post 
before my bike even ships from Rivendell :) My weight is really close to 
the recommended weight for the S83. We talked about my weight and I'm 
assuming that Vince would have recommended the S83 instead of whatever the 
bike comes with (do the frames come with Nitto S65 standard, or something 
else?). 

I like making little changes that make the bike "mine," too. I opted for no 
saddle as I just bought a B17 in July that I'm loving and I'll just put 
that on there. I went with inboard thumbies that you mentioned...my current 
bike is a 1x7 and I swapped out the trigger shifter for a Sunrace thumbie 
(bought the right side shifter and use it on my left handlebar). Now that I 
think about it, I kind of wish I would have asked for the left shifter to 
control the RD and the right shifter to control the FD...maybe that's 
something I can do to make it my own!
On Tuesday, September 15, 2020 at 5:54:14 PM UTC-5 EricP wrote:

> Gotta do something to make it "mine". On the Clem have swapped the 
> seatpost, binder bolt, nut and rear shifter. The first two because of my 
> weight. The latter because I wanted to try the inside bar "reverse" shifter 
> idea that's been mentioned over the last couple years. Had a spare front 
> Shimano bar con and a Paul Thumbie. Easy to do as I have a stand and 
> numerous tools. And if that doesn't work out, have a 9 speed thumb shifter 
> sitting on a shelf in the garage. 
>
> The only bike from Rivendell that didn't get changed was the SimpleOne. 
> Well, now that I typed that, pretty sure the freewheel got changed to a 
> dual gear and two different gears on the other side (no fixed). 
>
> The current Hillborne has had a couple of wheel swaps, different cranks, 
> numerous bars. It's also the bike I've owned the longest. And was purchased 
> as a frame/fork. 
>
> FWIW, do the same with instruments. All my acoustic guitars and mandolins 
> (save one) have had strap buttons installed and or other little changes. 
>
> Eric Platt
> St. Paul, MN
>
> On Tuesday, September 15, 2020 at 3:09:03 PM UTC-5 Scott G. wrote:
>
>> Engineers speak of "creeping elegance", in bike terms, if you are ever 
>> foolish 
>> enough to buy a built bike.  A Pukka Bob, will have replaced 87% of parts 
>> within
>> 16 months of purchase.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 15, 2020 at 3:35:59 PM UTC-4 dougP wrote:
>>
>>> I bought my Atlantis in 2003 & had Rivendell set it up in their standard 
>>> touring spec.  It met my needs for tours but inevitably I just HAD to mess 
>>> with it.  It's just too tempting.  Since then, I've changed brakes a couple 
>>> of times, gone from drops to upright bars, smaller chainrings, wider range 
>>> cassette, wider tires (in those days 35 mm was wide), and probably a few 
>>> other things I've forgotten.  
>>>
>>> Heck yea, tinkering, eh, improving is half the fun.  One of the bearties 
>>> of Rivendells is that they are so versatile you can change the bike as your 
>>> needs change.  Don't be shy.
>>>
>>> dougP
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, September 15, 2020 at 5:50:51 AM UTC-7, Ben Mihovk wrote:

 As I wait for my first Rivendell (sort of) patiently, I can't help but 
 prowl their website and this group and stare at components and accessories 
 that I think I'd like to try. But...the only bike I've ever monkeyed with 
 is my current one that came with a fantastic Shimano RD...and that's about 
 it as far as solid components go. So I'm always playing with the idea of 
 getting a different crank, different brakes, different this or that. 

 My question (finally) is this - of those of you who have done an a la 
 carte build through Rivendell, who just leaves everything they picked out 
 and who is constantly trying different components? 

 I didn't spring for any Paul components or a set of Rich's wheels, but 
 everything that's coming on this bike is nicer than I need it to be...so 
 the plan is to never change anything except bar tape. But...there is a lot 
 of buying and selling of components here and elswhere.

 So yeah...do you tinker with a Riv build, or do you let it be? 

 -Ben

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Do you leave it alone...or must you monkey?

[EricP]

Gotta do something to make it "mine". On the Clem have swapped the 
seatpost, binder bolt, nut and rear shifter. The first two because of my 
weight. The latter because I wanted to try the inside bar "reverse" shifter 
idea that's been mentioned over the last couple years. Had a spare front 
Shimano bar con and a Paul Thumbie. Easy to do as I have a stand and 
numerous tools. And if that doesn't work out, have a 9 speed thumb shifter 
sitting on a shelf in the garage. 

The only bike from Rivendell that didn't get changed was the SimpleOne. 
Well, now that I typed that, pretty sure the freewheel got changed to a 
dual gear and two different gears on the other side (no fixed). 

The current Hillborne has had a couple of wheel swaps, different cranks, 
numerous bars. It's also the bike I've owned the longest. And was purchased 
as a frame/fork. 

FWIW, do the same with instruments. All my acoustic guitars and mandolins 
(save one) have had strap buttons installed and or other little changes. 

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Tuesday, September 15, 2020 at 3:09:03 PM UTC-5 Scott G. wrote:

> Engineers speak of "creeping elegance", in bike terms, if you are ever 
> foolish 
> enough to buy a built bike.  A Pukka Bob, will have replaced 87% of parts 
> within
> 16 months of purchase.
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, September 15, 2020 at 3:35:59 PM UTC-4 dougP wrote:
>
>> I bought my Atlantis in 2003 & had Rivendell set it up in their standard 
>> touring spec.  It met my needs for tours but inevitably I just HAD to mess 
>> with it.  It's just too tempting.  Since then, I've changed brakes a couple 
>> of times, gone from drops to upright bars, smaller chainrings, wider range 
>> cassette, wider tires (in those days 35 mm was wide), and probably a few 
>> other things I've forgotten.  
>>
>> Heck yea, tinkering, eh, improving is half the fun.  One of the bearties 
>> of Rivendells is that they are so versatile you can change the bike as your 
>> needs change.  Don't be shy.
>>
>> dougP
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 15, 2020 at 5:50:51 AM UTC-7, Ben Mihovk wrote:
>>>
>>> As I wait for my first Rivendell (sort of) patiently, I can't help but 
>>> prowl their website and this group and stare at components and accessories 
>>> that I think I'd like to try. But...the only bike I've ever monkeyed with 
>>> is my current one that came with a fantastic Shimano RD...and that's about 
>>> it as far as solid components go. So I'm always playing with the idea of 
>>> getting a different crank, different brakes, different this or that. 
>>>
>>> My question (finally) is this - of those of you who have done an a la 
>>> carte build through Rivendell, who just leaves everything they picked out 
>>> and who is constantly trying different components? 
>>>
>>> I didn't spring for any Paul components or a set of Rich's wheels, but 
>>> everything that's coming on this bike is nicer than I need it to be...so 
>>> the plan is to never change anything except bar tape. But...there is a lot 
>>> of buying and selling of components here and elswhere.
>>>
>>> So yeah...do you tinker with a Riv build, or do you let it be? 
>>>
>>> -Ben
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Do you leave it alone...or must you monkey?

[Scott G.]

Engineers speak of "creeping elegance", in bike terms, if you are ever 
foolish 
enough to buy a built bike.  A Pukka Bob, will have replaced 87% of parts 
within
16 months of purchase.



On Tuesday, September 15, 2020 at 3:35:59 PM UTC-4 dougP wrote:

> I bought my Atlantis in 2003 & had Rivendell set it up in their standard 
> touring spec.  It met my needs for tours but inevitably I just HAD to mess 
> with it.  It's just too tempting.  Since then, I've changed brakes a couple 
> of times, gone from drops to upright bars, smaller chainrings, wider range 
> cassette, wider tires (in those days 35 mm was wide), and probably a few 
> other things I've forgotten.  
>
> Heck yea, tinkering, eh, improving is half the fun.  One of the bearties 
> of Rivendells is that they are so versatile you can change the bike as your 
> needs change.  Don't be shy.
>
> dougP
>
> On Tuesday, September 15, 2020 at 5:50:51 AM UTC-7, Ben Mihovk wrote:
>>
>> As I wait for my first Rivendell (sort of) patiently, I can't help but 
>> prowl their website and this group and stare at components and accessories 
>> that I think I'd like to try. But...the only bike I've ever monkeyed with 
>> is my current one that came with a fantastic Shimano RD...and that's about 
>> it as far as solid components go. So I'm always playing with the idea of 
>> getting a different crank, different brakes, different this or that. 
>>
>> My question (finally) is this - of those of you who have done an a la 
>> carte build through Rivendell, who just leaves everything they picked out 
>> and who is constantly trying different components? 
>>
>> I didn't spring for any Paul components or a set of Rich's wheels, but 
>> everything that's coming on this bike is nicer than I need it to be...so 
>> the plan is to never change anything except bar tape. But...there is a lot 
>> of buying and selling of components here and elswhere.
>>
>> So yeah...do you tinker with a Riv build, or do you let it be? 
>>
>> -Ben
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Do you leave it alone...or must you monkey?

[dougP]

I bought my Atlantis in 2003 & had Rivendell set it up in their standard 
touring spec.  It met my needs for tours but inevitably I just HAD to mess 
with it.  It's just too tempting.  Since then, I've changed brakes a couple 
of times, gone from drops to upright bars, smaller chainrings, wider range 
cassette, wider tires (in those days 35 mm was wide), and probably a few 
other things I've forgotten.  

Heck yea, tinkering, eh, improving is half the fun.  One of the bearties of 
Rivendells is that they are so versatile you can change the bike as your 
needs change.  Don't be shy.

dougP

On Tuesday, September 15, 2020 at 5:50:51 AM UTC-7, Ben Mihovk wrote:
>
> As I wait for my first Rivendell (sort of) patiently, I can't help but 
> prowl their website and this group and stare at components and accessories 
> that I think I'd like to try. But...the only bike I've ever monkeyed with 
> is my current one that came with a fantastic Shimano RD...and that's about 
> it as far as solid components go. So I'm always playing with the idea of 
> getting a different crank, different brakes, different this or that. 
>
> My question (finally) is this - of those of you who have done an a la 
> carte build through Rivendell, who just leaves everything they picked out 
> and who is constantly trying different components? 
>
> I didn't spring for any Paul components or a set of Rich's wheels, but 
> everything that's coming on this bike is nicer than I need it to be...so 
> the plan is to never change anything except bar tape. But...there is a lot 
> of buying and selling of components here and elswhere.
>
> So yeah...do you tinker with a Riv build, or do you let it be? 
>
> -Ben
>

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[RBW] Re: Do you leave it alone...or must you monkey?

[Brian Campbell]

I bought both of my Riv's(AHH & Legolas) as frames only. I like swapping 
things around and trying different configurations. I have the Legolas 
dialed in pretty much and am now on to finishing a stem/brake lever/fender 
adjustment on the AHH which will have it set for a while. 

That said the AHH I have had since 2011 and have built it up many different 
ways. Its part of the joy of owning a Riv. They have a lot more flexibility 
when it comes to configuration than many other bikes.



On Tuesday, September 15, 2020 at 8:50:51 AM UTC-4 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:

> As I wait for my first Rivendell (sort of) patiently, I can't help but 
> prowl their website and this group and stare at components and accessories 
> that I think I'd like to try. But...the only bike I've ever monkeyed with 
> is my current one that came with a fantastic Shimano RD...and that's about 
> it as far as solid components go. So I'm always playing with the idea of 
> getting a different crank, different brakes, different this or that. 
>
> My question (finally) is this - of those of you who have done an a la 
> carte build through Rivendell, who just leaves everything they picked out 
> and who is constantly trying different components? 
>
> I didn't spring for any Paul components or a set of Rich's wheels, but 
> everything that's coming on this bike is nicer than I need it to be...so 
> the plan is to never change anything except bar tape. But...there is a lot 
> of buying and selling of components here and elswhere.
>
> So yeah...do you tinker with a Riv build, or do you let it be? 
>
> -Ben
>

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[RBW] Re: Do you leave it alone...or must you monkey?

[Ben Mihovk]

Steve,
I can only speak for myself...but I would not be bored by reading about 
changes you (or others) have made to their bikes. 

On Tuesday, September 15, 2020 at 10:30:42 AM UTC-5 Steve Cole wrote:

> Ben,
>
> I'm an inveterate tinkerer.  That said, I won't bore you are anyone with 
> the details of the changes I've made to my Rivendell bikes, with one 
> exception.  I traded out the brakes for Paul brakes.  I found the Shimano 
> brakes too squishy for me.  I want to know that the bike is stopping when I 
> squeeze the lever and don't want to feel like the lever has not fully 
> engaged the brakes.  I've had each kind of Paul rim brakes -- centerpull, 
> cantilever, and V-brakes.  All have worked flawlessly giving me the 
> confidence I like to have.
>
> Steve Cole
> Arlington, VA
>
>
> On Tuesday, September 15, 2020 at 8:50:51 AM UTC-4, Ben Mihovk wrote:
>>
>> As I wait for my first Rivendell (sort of) patiently, I can't help but 
>> prowl their website and this group and stare at components and accessories 
>> that I think I'd like to try. But...the only bike I've ever monkeyed with 
>> is my current one that came with a fantastic Shimano RD...and that's about 
>> it as far as solid components go. So I'm always playing with the idea of 
>> getting a different crank, different brakes, different this or that. 
>>
>> My question (finally) is this - of those of you who have done an a la 
>> carte build through Rivendell, who just leaves everything they picked out 
>> and who is constantly trying different components? 
>>
>> I didn't spring for any Paul components or a set of Rich's wheels, but 
>> everything that's coming on this bike is nicer than I need it to be...so 
>> the plan is to never change anything except bar tape. But...there is a lot 
>> of buying and selling of components here and elswhere.
>>
>> So yeah...do you tinker with a Riv build, or do you let it be? 
>>
>> -Ben
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Do you leave it alone...or must you monkey?

[Steve Cole]

Ben,

I'm an inveterate tinkerer.  That said, I won't bore you are anyone with 
the details of the changes I've made to my Rivendell bikes, with one 
exception.  I traded out the brakes for Paul brakes.  I found the Shimano 
brakes too squishy for me.  I want to know that the bike is stopping when I 
squeeze the lever and don't want to feel like the lever has not fully 
engaged the brakes.  I've had each kind of Paul rim brakes -- centerpull, 
cantilever, and V-brakes.  All have worked flawlessly giving me the 
confidence I like to have.

Steve Cole
Arlington, VA

On Tuesday, September 15, 2020 at 8:50:51 AM UTC-4, Ben Mihovk wrote:
>
> As I wait for my first Rivendell (sort of) patiently, I can't help but 
> prowl their website and this group and stare at components and accessories 
> that I think I'd like to try. But...the only bike I've ever monkeyed with 
> is my current one that came with a fantastic Shimano RD...and that's about 
> it as far as solid components go. So I'm always playing with the idea of 
> getting a different crank, different brakes, different this or that. 
>
> My question (finally) is this - of those of you who have done an a la 
> carte build through Rivendell, who just leaves everything they picked out 
> and who is constantly trying different components? 
>
> I didn't spring for any Paul components or a set of Rich's wheels, but 
> everything that's coming on this bike is nicer than I need it to be...so 
> the plan is to never change anything except bar tape. But...there is a lot 
> of buying and selling of components here and elswhere.
>
> So yeah...do you tinker with a Riv build, or do you let it be? 
>
> -Ben
>

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[RBW] Re: Do you leave it alone...or must you monkey?

[Dorothy C]

“Stare at components and accessories I’d like to try”
That’s pretty much why I have ended up with four Rivendells - Appaloosa, 
Cheviot, Roadini, Clem L :)

On Tuesday, September 15, 2020 at 7:36:13 AM UTC-7 Lefebeaver wrote:

> I started building my Atlantis a bit under two years ago; other than 
> wheels (new, fm Rich) I started with used parts and gradually have been 
> upgrading as I go. I've gone through 3 different front racks, different 
> tire sizes and added fenders; eventually bought dyno lights. I recently 
> decided it was 'done' - but by that I mean I've got it to a good place that 
> makes me happy. I've already squirreled away some cork handgrips, and have 
> been haunting the FS listings, knowing eventually I'll want to put some 
> upright bars on it... I got it so it could evolve, and that's what it will 
> continue to do. Part of the fun of these bikes is how versatile they are! 
>
> On Tuesday, September 15, 2020 at 8:50:51 AM UTC-4 bjmi...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> As I wait for my first Rivendell (sort of) patiently, I can't help but 
>> prowl their website and this group and stare at components and accessories 
>> that I think I'd like to try. But...the only bike I've ever monkeyed with 
>> is my current one that came with a fantastic Shimano RD...and that's about 
>> it as far as solid components go. So I'm always playing with the idea of 
>> getting a different crank, different brakes, different this or that. 
>>
>> My question (finally) is this - of those of you who have done an a la 
>> carte build through Rivendell, who just leaves everything they picked out 
>> and who is constantly trying different components? 
>>
>> I didn't spring for any Paul components or a set of Rich's wheels, but 
>> everything that's coming on this bike is nicer than I need it to be...so 
>> the plan is to never change anything except bar tape. But...there is a lot 
>> of buying and selling of components here and elswhere.
>>
>> So yeah...do you tinker with a Riv build, or do you let it be? 
>>
>> -Ben
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Do you leave it alone...or must you monkey?

[Lefebeaver]

I started building my Atlantis a bit under two years ago; other than wheels 
(new, fm Rich) I started with used parts and gradually have been upgrading 
as I go. I've gone through 3 different front racks, different tire sizes 
and added fenders; eventually bought dyno lights. I recently decided it was 
'done' - but by that I mean I've got it to a good place that makes me 
happy. I've already squirreled away some cork handgrips, and have been 
haunting the FS listings, knowing eventually I'll want to put some upright 
bars on it... I got it so it could evolve, and that's what it will continue 
to do. Part of the fun of these bikes is how versatile they are! 

On Tuesday, September 15, 2020 at 8:50:51 AM UTC-4 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:

> As I wait for my first Rivendell (sort of) patiently, I can't help but 
> prowl their website and this group and stare at components and accessories 
> that I think I'd like to try. But...the only bike I've ever monkeyed with 
> is my current one that came with a fantastic Shimano RD...and that's about 
> it as far as solid components go. So I'm always playing with the idea of 
> getting a different crank, different brakes, different this or that. 
>
> My question (finally) is this - of those of you who have done an a la 
> carte build through Rivendell, who just leaves everything they picked out 
> and who is constantly trying different components? 
>
> I didn't spring for any Paul components or a set of Rich's wheels, but 
> everything that's coming on this bike is nicer than I need it to be...so 
> the plan is to never change anything except bar tape. But...there is a lot 
> of buying and selling of components here and elswhere.
>
> So yeah...do you tinker with a Riv build, or do you let it be? 
>
> -Ben
>

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[RBW] Re: Do you leave it alone...or must you monkey?

[Surlyprof]

My Hillborne came with Albatross bars, Paul levers (which I love) and Rich 
wheels.  However, I swapped the handlebars out a set of Albastache with TRP 
levers and Brooks tape for a little more aggressive position.  I still have 
the Albatross set up in case I want to ride more upright later in life 
(since I will NEVER part with my pearlescent orange Hillborne).  Once I 
added a Brooks Flyer Special, that's the last tinkering I've done.  I had 
thought to change out my XT derailleur for an Altus I bought for $5 at 
Riv's garage sale a few years back but didn't want to mess with success.  
The bike has been so dialed to me that it is a treat every time I get to 
ride it.  I'm not convinced that anyone could even build a custom that fits 
me as comfortably.  Recently, my MTB set up (and Analog's IG) has had me 
thinking of switching to a 1x9 set up but I just don't know if it's worth 
the time and money for a simpler drivetrain and, maybe, a few less grams of 
weight.  Once it's dialed, it's hard to justify change.  Maybe paint?  

John "who occasionally dreams of a purple Hillborne"
Niles, CA

On Tuesday, September 15, 2020 at 5:50:51 AM UTC-7 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:

> As I wait for my first Rivendell (sort of) patiently, I can't help but 
> prowl their website and this group and stare at components and accessories 
> that I think I'd like to try. But...the only bike I've ever monkeyed with 
> is my current one that came with a fantastic Shimano RD...and that's about 
> it as far as solid components go. So I'm always playing with the idea of 
> getting a different crank, different brakes, different this or that. 
>
> My question (finally) is this - of those of you who have done an a la 
> carte build through Rivendell, who just leaves everything they picked out 
> and who is constantly trying different components? 
>
> I didn't spring for any Paul components or a set of Rich's wheels, but 
> everything that's coming on this bike is nicer than I need it to be...so 
> the plan is to never change anything except bar tape. But...there is a lot 
> of buying and selling of components here and elswhere.
>
> So yeah...do you tinker with a Riv build, or do you let it be? 
>
> -Ben
>

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[RBW] Re: Do you leave it alone...or must you monkey?

[Marc Irwin]

It ain't brokeI gotta fix it!

On Tuesday, September 15, 2020 at 8:50:51 AM UTC-4 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:

> As I wait for my first Rivendell (sort of) patiently, I can't help but 
> prowl their website and this group and stare at components and accessories 
> that I think I'd like to try. But...the only bike I've ever monkeyed with 
> is my current one that came with a fantastic Shimano RD...and that's about 
> it as far as solid components go. So I'm always playing with the idea of 
> getting a different crank, different brakes, different this or that. 
>
> My question (finally) is this - of those of you who have done an a la 
> carte build through Rivendell, who just leaves everything they picked out 
> and who is constantly trying different components? 
>
> I didn't spring for any Paul components or a set of Rich's wheels, but 
> everything that's coming on this bike is nicer than I need it to be...so 
> the plan is to never change anything except bar tape. But...there is a lot 
> of buying and selling of components here and elswhere.
>
> So yeah...do you tinker with a Riv build, or do you let it be? 
>
> -Ben
>

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