[RBW] Re: Fender for Gus Boots Willsen

[Mark Roland]

Oops, I just noticed the ebay links to Rhyno Lites, not Rhyno Lite XL, 
which is slightly wider. Apologies! I still think they would be fine. You 
can probably hunt down the specs at the manufacturer's site or on a good 
vendor site.

On Tuesday, February 2, 2021 at 9:36:59 PM UTC-5 Mark Roland wrote:

> If the unicycle angle doesn't work out, there is also bmx. I built my 
> Susie wheels using 700c  Rhyno Lite XL rims in white. Not sure of the width 
> but plenty wide for 2.6" knobbies.  Albes is sold out of all except the 
> colors red, blue, or gold. Or chrome for $$$. Black ones available for $35 
> on ebay, good deal for a good rim. I've purchased from this seller:
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Sun-Ringle-Rhyno-Lite-29-700c-rim-32-Hole-black-/402633453883?_trksid=p2385738.m4383.l4275.c10
> Mine:
> [image: IMG_20201023_082341940(2).jpg]
> [image: IMG_20201023_082257418.jpg]
>
>
> On Tuesday, February 2, 2021 at 8:19:07 PM UTC-5 Weston Hein wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the info- I never knew those existed. The lack of wider rim 
>> brake rims is really what kept me from jumping on a Gus/Susie. But these 
>> look like a good option, nice work finding them!
>>
>> So many great little details on this build!
>> On Monday, February 1, 2021 at 12:20:40 PM UTC-8 iamkeith wrote:
>>
>>> On Sunday, January 31, 2021 at 4:53:07 PM UTC-7 Weston Hein wrote:
>>>

 What rims are you running on the Susie? 

>>>
>>> Weston,  good question.
>>>
>>> I used Nimbus Dominator II rims.  They're unicycle rims.  On paper they 
>>> sound heavy at 900g but, in hand, they feel remarkably light for something 
>>> so stout.  42mm wide, eyeletted,  beefy thick brake track but not the 
>>> machined version.  I decided to try Tubolito tubes which are really light 
>>> and thus offset any extra rim weight anyway.  In theory, you're not 
>>> supposed to use these tubes on rim-brake wheels because they could melt 
>>> during something like a prolonged brake-riding descent.  I was willing to 
>>> take a chance because I can't see myself using the bike in such a manner, 
>>> regularly if ever, and because I figured the larger tire volume and 
>>> aluminum rim mass would dissipate heat better than a typical too-narrow 
>>> rim.  And becasue I clearly don't like to do things the way they're meant 
>>> to be done.  I haven't put them to the test yet, but will open it up and 
>>> see if the tube is sticking to the rim after some riding next summer.  In 
>>> the meantime, I'll say that they are holding air way better than any 
>>> light-weight butyl tube or, especially, tubless setup ever has for me.
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Fender for Gus Boots Willsen

[Weston Hein]

Thanks for the info- I never knew those existed. The lack of wider rim 
brake rims is really what kept me from jumping on a Gus/Susie. But these 
look like a good option, nice work finding them!

So many great little details on this build!
On Monday, February 1, 2021 at 12:20:40 PM UTC-8 iamkeith wrote:

> On Sunday, January 31, 2021 at 4:53:07 PM UTC-7 Weston Hein wrote:
>
>>
>> What rims are you running on the Susie? 
>>
>
> Weston,  good question.
>
> I used Nimbus Dominator II rims.  They're unicycle rims.  On paper they 
> sound heavy at 900g but, in hand, they feel remarkably light for something 
> so stout.  42mm wide, eyeletted,  beefy thick brake track but not the 
> machined version.  I decided to try Tubolito tubes which are really light 
> and thus offset any extra rim weight anyway.  In theory, you're not 
> supposed to use these tubes on rim-brake wheels because they could melt 
> during something like a prolonged brake-riding descent.  I was willing to 
> take a chance because I can't see myself using the bike in such a manner, 
> regularly if ever, and because I figured the larger tire volume and 
> aluminum rim mass would dissipate heat better than a typical too-narrow 
> rim.  And becasue I clearly don't like to do things the way they're meant 
> to be done.  I haven't put them to the test yet, but will open it up and 
> see if the tube is sticking to the rim after some riding next summer.  In 
> the meantime, I'll say that they are holding air way better than any 
> light-weight butyl tube or, especially, tubless setup ever has for me.
>

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[RBW] Re: Fender for Gus Boots Willsen

[iamkeith]

On Sunday, January 31, 2021 at 4:53:07 PM UTC-7 Weston Hein wrote:

>
> What rims are you running on the Susie? 
>

Weston,  good question.

I used Nimbus Dominator II rims.  They're unicycle rims.  On paper they 
sound heavy at 900g but, in hand, they feel remarkably light for something 
so stout.  42mm wide, eyeletted,  beefy thick brake track but not the 
machined version.  I decided to try Tubolito tubes which are really light 
and thus offset any extra rim weight anyway.  In theory, you're not 
supposed to use these tubes on rim-brake wheels because they could melt 
during something like a prolonged brake-riding descent.  I was willing to 
take a chance because I can't see myself using the bike in such a manner, 
regularly if ever, and because I figured the larger tire volume and 
aluminum rim mass would dissipate heat better than a typical too-narrow 
rim.  And becasue I clearly don't like to do things the way they're meant 
to be done.  I haven't put them to the test yet, but will open it up and 
see if the tube is sticking to the rim after some riding next summer.  In 
the meantime, I'll say that they are holding air way better than any 
light-weight butyl tube or, especially, tubless setup ever has for me.

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[RBW] Re: Fender for Gus Boots Willsen

[Jason Fuller]

Simworks/Honjo Flat 80's would definitely be my choice.  With a little stay 
bending, you can easily fit 2.8 or 3.0's under them and they'll look the 
part!  

On Monday, 1 February 2021 at 08:17:44 UTC-8 Mark Roland wrote:

> Speaking of instagram, my favorite bike related poster right now is 
> niigata0252 . Lots of pics 
> from vintage Japanese mags. Recent post shows a guy riding a drop bar 
> Cunningham, apparently #7.
>
> On Sunday, January 31, 2021 at 9:47:17 PM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:
>
>> Speaking of orange/black, this showed up on Blue Lug's instagram today!
>>
>> https://www.instagram.com/p/CKquVcajH9G/?igshid=r3iwfj240rur
>>
>> On Sunday, January 31, 2021 at 7:29:20 PM UTC-7 Mark Roland wrote:
>>
>>> Ed--I don't think you overlooked them. I think Riv got in a bunch, 
>>> advertised it in the newsletter, and sold out. I got a pair to eventually 
>>> put on my Hubbuhubbuh, because the fenders on that one should come up 
>>> closer to the frame, but can't clear the v-brake cable. However, while I do 
>>> not hate black parts per se, I definitely do not like them on a bright 
>>> orange frame.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, January 31, 2021 at 3:45:34 AM UTC-5 Ed Fausto wrote:
>>>
 Hi Mark,
 Thanks for recommending the Origin8 X-tra Pro V-brakes.  I have 
 overlooked this brake set from Riv.
 Will try to check other suppliers.
 Ed

 On Wednesday, January 27, 2021 at 9:37:43 PM UTC+8 Mark Roland wrote:

> The Dia Compe 980 is a wide profile cantilever, so raising the 
> straddle cable should not degrade the brake performance.
>
> Last week Rivendell had Origin8 X-tra Pro V-brakes for sale. These 
> have 110mm arms, like the Tektro 849a, which are no longer available (you 
> can get them in a couple of places overseas). This should give you enough 
> clearance for fenders. Unfortunately, Riv is sold out. You can get them 
> from other vendors.
>
> For my Clem L, I originally was running Thunder Burts in 2.2 and 
> wanted extra clearance, so I got the biggest 700c fenders from Velo 
> Orange 
> (63mm fluted) and re-radiused them for 650B. This should give you some 
> additional clearance for your 27.5 Gus. VO has instructions on its blog 
> on 
> how to do this, fairly straightforward.
>
> My Susie with Teravail Honcho 2.6" tires, like your Gus, has tons of 
> room in the rear but it is getting close under the fork crown. Still 
> doable, but if I were running fenders I would switch to the file tread of 
> Rene Herse Antelope Hill ( 700 x 55/2.2"). Also, fenders would run afoul 
> of 
> the current v-brakes. Luckily, I have my Clem L if I need to ride in bad 
> weather.
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 1:55:44 PM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:
>
>> Ed,  I have 2.8 tires on wide (34i) rims on my 56/700c Susie and am 
>> trying to figure out fenders too.   I just tried a set of SKS Bluemel 
>> 75s 
>> in case this experience helps:
>>
>> There is plenty of frame clearance, even with a good gap to the 
>> tire.  As seems to be the case with many Rivendells, the tightest spot 
>> was 
>> at the bottom of the fork crown - not at the seat tube or chainstays or 
>> braces, as you'd expect with other bikes.   I don't think I would have 
>> even 
>> needed to notch the rear for chain clearance, but that's a function of 
>> bottom bracket spindle length so YMMV.  However, I did have interference 
>> at 
>> the cantilever straddle wire.   (I used cantis instead of v brakes 
>> specifically because I wanted to run big tires and fenders, which 
>> wouldn't 
>> fit under V-brakes.)  
>>
>> I could solve this and make these fenders work by raising the 
>> straddle wire a tiny bit, but I'm reluctant to becasue I think I have 
>> them 
>> adjusted pretty well for power.  Or I could notch the edge of the fender 
>> to 
>> allow the cable to cut through, but that seems dangerous.   A different 
>> canti arm profile might help too.  (I'm using the Dia Compe 980.) I was 
>> going to try an extra-wide straddle-wire hanger - which would proably 
>> solve 
>> it - but I kind of decided that the black fenders don't look so good on 
>> the 
>> bike.   If you have a different color scheme than me though and don't 
>> mind 
>> black, this may be a pretty good solution.  They're nice looking and 
>> nicely-made fenders - just not like the silver SKS that I'm accustomed 
>> to.
>>
>> My next step is going to be to try the Simworks/Honjo Flat 80 fender, 
>> but they're super expensive so I need to make as many measurements as 
>> possible first.  The advantage of using aluminum will be that I can 
>> deform 
>> them to fit the fork crown better than plastic ones, where the critical 
>> 

[RBW] Re: Fender for Gus Boots Willsen

[Mark Roland]

Speaking of instagram, my favorite bike related poster right now is 
niigata0252 . Lots of pics 
from vintage Japanese mags. Recent post shows a guy riding a drop bar 
Cunningham, apparently #7.

On Sunday, January 31, 2021 at 9:47:17 PM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:

> Speaking of orange/black, this showed up on Blue Lug's instagram today!
>
> https://www.instagram.com/p/CKquVcajH9G/?igshid=r3iwfj240rur
>
> On Sunday, January 31, 2021 at 7:29:20 PM UTC-7 Mark Roland wrote:
>
>> Ed--I don't think you overlooked them. I think Riv got in a bunch, 
>> advertised it in the newsletter, and sold out. I got a pair to eventually 
>> put on my Hubbuhubbuh, because the fenders on that one should come up 
>> closer to the frame, but can't clear the v-brake cable. However, while I do 
>> not hate black parts per se, I definitely do not like them on a bright 
>> orange frame.
>>
>> On Sunday, January 31, 2021 at 3:45:34 AM UTC-5 Ed Fausto wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Mark,
>>> Thanks for recommending the Origin8 X-tra Pro V-brakes.  I have 
>>> overlooked this brake set from Riv.
>>> Will try to check other suppliers.
>>> Ed
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 27, 2021 at 9:37:43 PM UTC+8 Mark Roland wrote:
>>>
 The Dia Compe 980 is a wide profile cantilever, so raising the straddle 
 cable should not degrade the brake performance.

 Last week Rivendell had Origin8 X-tra Pro V-brakes for sale. These have 
 110mm arms, like the Tektro 849a, which are no longer available (you can 
 get them in a couple of places overseas). This should give you enough 
 clearance for fenders. Unfortunately, Riv is sold out. You can get them 
 from other vendors.

 For my Clem L, I originally was running Thunder Burts in 2.2 and wanted 
 extra clearance, so I got the biggest 700c fenders from Velo Orange (63mm 
 fluted) and re-radiused them for 650B. This should give you some 
 additional 
 clearance for your 27.5 Gus. VO has instructions on its blog on how to do 
 this, fairly straightforward.

 My Susie with Teravail Honcho 2.6" tires, like your Gus, has tons of 
 room in the rear but it is getting close under the fork crown. Still 
 doable, but if I were running fenders I would switch to the file tread of 
 Rene Herse Antelope Hill ( 700 x 55/2.2"). Also, fenders would run afoul 
 of 
 the current v-brakes. Luckily, I have my Clem L if I need to ride in bad 
 weather.



 On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 1:55:44 PM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:

> Ed,  I have 2.8 tires on wide (34i) rims on my 56/700c Susie and am 
> trying to figure out fenders too.   I just tried a set of SKS Bluemel 75s 
> in case this experience helps:
>
> There is plenty of frame clearance, even with a good gap to the tire.  
> As seems to be the case with many Rivendells, the tightest spot was at 
> the 
> bottom of the fork crown - not at the seat tube or chainstays or braces, 
> as 
> you'd expect with other bikes.   I don't think I would have even needed 
> to 
> notch the rear for chain clearance, but that's a function of bottom 
> bracket 
> spindle length so YMMV.  However, I did have interference at the 
> cantilever 
> straddle wire.   (I used cantis instead of v brakes specifically because 
> I 
> wanted to run big tires and fenders, which wouldn't fit under V-brakes.)  
>
> I could solve this and make these fenders work by raising the straddle 
> wire a tiny bit, but I'm reluctant to becasue I think I have them 
> adjusted 
> pretty well for power.  Or I could notch the edge of the fender to allow 
> the cable to cut through, but that seems dangerous.   A different canti 
> arm 
> profile might help too.  (I'm using the Dia Compe 980.) I was going to 
> try 
> an extra-wide straddle-wire hanger - which would proably solve it - but I 
> kind of decided that the black fenders don't look so good on the bike.   
> If 
> you have a different color scheme than me though and don't mind black, 
> this 
> may be a pretty good solution.  They're nice looking and nicely-made 
> fenders - just not like the silver SKS that I'm accustomed to.
>
> My next step is going to be to try the Simworks/Honjo Flat 80 fender, 
> but they're super expensive so I need to make as many measurements as 
> possible first.  The advantage of using aluminum will be that I can 
> deform 
> them to fit the fork crown better than plastic ones, where the critical 
> clearance point would otherwise be as noted above.
>
> Last option will be to use some Planet Bike 60mm fenders, even though 
> those wouldn't provide full coverage.
>
> Boils down to a lot of trial and error unfortunately, but I can at 
> least confirm that it will be possible in one way or another.   I'm going 
> to 

[RBW] Re: Fender for Gus Boots Willsen

[Mark Roland]

Yeah I saw that. It is an attractive build, but, you know, Blue Lug. They 
can do the black bling. But also,  the Susie orange is deeper and richer 
than the Hubbuh orange, and that makes a big difference. I can certainly 
admire bikes built with orange and black, just not my thing!

On Sunday, January 31, 2021 at 9:47:17 PM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:

> Speaking of orange/black, this showed up on Blue Lug's instagram today!
>
> https://www.instagram.com/p/CKquVcajH9G/?igshid=r3iwfj240rur
>
> On Sunday, January 31, 2021 at 7:29:20 PM UTC-7 Mark Roland wrote:
>
>> Ed--I don't think you overlooked them. I think Riv got in a bunch, 
>> advertised it in the newsletter, and sold out. I got a pair to eventually 
>> put on my Hubbuhubbuh, because the fenders on that one should come up 
>> closer to the frame, but can't clear the v-brake cable. However, while I do 
>> not hate black parts per se, I definitely do not like them on a bright 
>> orange frame.
>>
>> On Sunday, January 31, 2021 at 3:45:34 AM UTC-5 Ed Fausto wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Mark,
>>> Thanks for recommending the Origin8 X-tra Pro V-brakes.  I have 
>>> overlooked this brake set from Riv.
>>> Will try to check other suppliers.
>>> Ed
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 27, 2021 at 9:37:43 PM UTC+8 Mark Roland wrote:
>>>
 The Dia Compe 980 is a wide profile cantilever, so raising the straddle 
 cable should not degrade the brake performance.

 Last week Rivendell had Origin8 X-tra Pro V-brakes for sale. These have 
 110mm arms, like the Tektro 849a, which are no longer available (you can 
 get them in a couple of places overseas). This should give you enough 
 clearance for fenders. Unfortunately, Riv is sold out. You can get them 
 from other vendors.

 For my Clem L, I originally was running Thunder Burts in 2.2 and wanted 
 extra clearance, so I got the biggest 700c fenders from Velo Orange (63mm 
 fluted) and re-radiused them for 650B. This should give you some 
 additional 
 clearance for your 27.5 Gus. VO has instructions on its blog on how to do 
 this, fairly straightforward.

 My Susie with Teravail Honcho 2.6" tires, like your Gus, has tons of 
 room in the rear but it is getting close under the fork crown. Still 
 doable, but if I were running fenders I would switch to the file tread of 
 Rene Herse Antelope Hill ( 700 x 55/2.2"). Also, fenders would run afoul 
 of 
 the current v-brakes. Luckily, I have my Clem L if I need to ride in bad 
 weather.



 On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 1:55:44 PM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:

> Ed,  I have 2.8 tires on wide (34i) rims on my 56/700c Susie and am 
> trying to figure out fenders too.   I just tried a set of SKS Bluemel 75s 
> in case this experience helps:
>
> There is plenty of frame clearance, even with a good gap to the tire.  
> As seems to be the case with many Rivendells, the tightest spot was at 
> the 
> bottom of the fork crown - not at the seat tube or chainstays or braces, 
> as 
> you'd expect with other bikes.   I don't think I would have even needed 
> to 
> notch the rear for chain clearance, but that's a function of bottom 
> bracket 
> spindle length so YMMV.  However, I did have interference at the 
> cantilever 
> straddle wire.   (I used cantis instead of v brakes specifically because 
> I 
> wanted to run big tires and fenders, which wouldn't fit under V-brakes.)  
>
> I could solve this and make these fenders work by raising the straddle 
> wire a tiny bit, but I'm reluctant to becasue I think I have them 
> adjusted 
> pretty well for power.  Or I could notch the edge of the fender to allow 
> the cable to cut through, but that seems dangerous.   A different canti 
> arm 
> profile might help too.  (I'm using the Dia Compe 980.) I was going to 
> try 
> an extra-wide straddle-wire hanger - which would proably solve it - but I 
> kind of decided that the black fenders don't look so good on the bike.   
> If 
> you have a different color scheme than me though and don't mind black, 
> this 
> may be a pretty good solution.  They're nice looking and nicely-made 
> fenders - just not like the silver SKS that I'm accustomed to.
>
> My next step is going to be to try the Simworks/Honjo Flat 80 fender, 
> but they're super expensive so I need to make as many measurements as 
> possible first.  The advantage of using aluminum will be that I can 
> deform 
> them to fit the fork crown better than plastic ones, where the critical 
> clearance point would otherwise be as noted above.
>
> Last option will be to use some Planet Bike 60mm fenders, even though 
> those wouldn't provide full coverage.
>
> Boils down to a lot of trial and error unfortunately, but I can at 
> least confirm that it will be possible in 

[RBW] Re: Fender for Gus Boots Willsen

[Ed Fausto]

Yup, definitely very slick build.
Now I understand why I cannot find that same brass pulley with the barrel 
adjuster :-)

On Monday, February 1, 2021 at 2:38:57 AM UTC+8 iamkeith wrote:

> Ed, 
>
> Cable hanger is an old Dia Compe for mixtes.  Readily available on ebay.  
> I had to add the barrel adjuster and spread it out a bit wider to fit.  I 
> also drilled out the rivet and replaced the chrome pulley with a brass one, 
> just because I had it.  All in all, about 1/2 hour's effort, but SO much 
> more attractive than the unwieldy loop of cable you'd get with a normal 
> canti hanger ( in my opinion).
>
> While I'm at it, here's another piece I fabricated  to keep the rear 
> derailleur cable from rubbing on the kickstand plate and gain a little tire 
> and fender clearance.  I don't know that this was actually necessary, but 
> it was a fun way to appease my ocd.
>
> Tires are V Tire (V Rubber) Speedster 29x2.8.  I'm not sure they make them 
> in a 650bx2.8 that isn't a heavy eBike version, but the tire you want is 
> the Schwalbe SuperMoto 2.8.  Better AND cheaper!  I had the 29x2.5 on my 
> Clem and loved them.  Other than a couple of rim strikes, they were 
> adequate for any trail conditions required of them.  (For dedicated 
> mountain rides, I usually use a different bike.)
>
> On Sunday, January 31, 2021 at 1:47:42 AM UTC-7 Ed Fausto wrote:
>
>> Hi iamkeith,
>> Two questions...
>> 1. What brand/make and where did you get those rear brake cable hanger?
>> 2. What specific model and size are your tires?
>> TIA
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 27, 2021 at 8:51:48 AM UTC+8 iamkeith wrote:
>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Fender for Gus Boots Willsen

[iamkeith]

Speaking of orange/black, this showed up on Blue Lug's instagram today!

https://www.instagram.com/p/CKquVcajH9G/?igshid=r3iwfj240rur

On Sunday, January 31, 2021 at 7:29:20 PM UTC-7 Mark Roland wrote:

> Ed--I don't think you overlooked them. I think Riv got in a bunch, 
> advertised it in the newsletter, and sold out. I got a pair to eventually 
> put on my Hubbuhubbuh, because the fenders on that one should come up 
> closer to the frame, but can't clear the v-brake cable. However, while I do 
> not hate black parts per se, I definitely do not like them on a bright 
> orange frame.
>
> On Sunday, January 31, 2021 at 3:45:34 AM UTC-5 Ed Fausto wrote:
>
>> Hi Mark,
>> Thanks for recommending the Origin8 X-tra Pro V-brakes.  I have 
>> overlooked this brake set from Riv.
>> Will try to check other suppliers.
>> Ed
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 27, 2021 at 9:37:43 PM UTC+8 Mark Roland wrote:
>>
>>> The Dia Compe 980 is a wide profile cantilever, so raising the straddle 
>>> cable should not degrade the brake performance.
>>>
>>> Last week Rivendell had Origin8 X-tra Pro V-brakes for sale. These have 
>>> 110mm arms, like the Tektro 849a, which are no longer available (you can 
>>> get them in a couple of places overseas). This should give you enough 
>>> clearance for fenders. Unfortunately, Riv is sold out. You can get them 
>>> from other vendors.
>>>
>>> For my Clem L, I originally was running Thunder Burts in 2.2 and wanted 
>>> extra clearance, so I got the biggest 700c fenders from Velo Orange (63mm 
>>> fluted) and re-radiused them for 650B. This should give you some additional 
>>> clearance for your 27.5 Gus. VO has instructions on its blog on how to do 
>>> this, fairly straightforward.
>>>
>>> My Susie with Teravail Honcho 2.6" tires, like your Gus, has tons of 
>>> room in the rear but it is getting close under the fork crown. Still 
>>> doable, but if I were running fenders I would switch to the file tread of 
>>> Rene Herse Antelope Hill ( 700 x 55/2.2"). Also, fenders would run afoul of 
>>> the current v-brakes. Luckily, I have my Clem L if I need to ride in bad 
>>> weather.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 1:55:44 PM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:
>>>
 Ed,  I have 2.8 tires on wide (34i) rims on my 56/700c Susie and am 
 trying to figure out fenders too.   I just tried a set of SKS Bluemel 75s 
 in case this experience helps:

 There is plenty of frame clearance, even with a good gap to the tire.  
 As seems to be the case with many Rivendells, the tightest spot was at the 
 bottom of the fork crown - not at the seat tube or chainstays or braces, 
 as 
 you'd expect with other bikes.   I don't think I would have even needed to 
 notch the rear for chain clearance, but that's a function of bottom 
 bracket 
 spindle length so YMMV.  However, I did have interference at the 
 cantilever 
 straddle wire.   (I used cantis instead of v brakes specifically because I 
 wanted to run big tires and fenders, which wouldn't fit under V-brakes.)  

 I could solve this and make these fenders work by raising the straddle 
 wire a tiny bit, but I'm reluctant to becasue I think I have them adjusted 
 pretty well for power.  Or I could notch the edge of the fender to allow 
 the cable to cut through, but that seems dangerous.   A different canti 
 arm 
 profile might help too.  (I'm using the Dia Compe 980.) I was going to try 
 an extra-wide straddle-wire hanger - which would proably solve it - but I 
 kind of decided that the black fenders don't look so good on the bike.   
 If 
 you have a different color scheme than me though and don't mind black, 
 this 
 may be a pretty good solution.  They're nice looking and nicely-made 
 fenders - just not like the silver SKS that I'm accustomed to.

 My next step is going to be to try the Simworks/Honjo Flat 80 fender, 
 but they're super expensive so I need to make as many measurements as 
 possible first.  The advantage of using aluminum will be that I can deform 
 them to fit the fork crown better than plastic ones, where the critical 
 clearance point would otherwise be as noted above.

 Last option will be to use some Planet Bike 60mm fenders, even though 
 those wouldn't provide full coverage.

 Boils down to a lot of trial and error unfortunately, but I can at 
 least confirm that it will be possible in one way or another.   I'm going 
 to put the Bluemel 75 fenders on another bike soon but haven't yet, in 
 case 
 you'd like me to take some photos of it mocked up.

 On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 2:45:11 AM UTC-7 Ed Fausto wrote:

> Hi Joe,
> Looks like its a choice between a 27.5 plus tire versus fender with 
> smaller tires.
> I will first try the half-fender you suggested.
> Thanks.
>
> On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 4:46:49 PM UTC+8 

[RBW] Re: Fender for Gus Boots Willsen

[Mark Roland]

Ed--I don't think you overlooked them. I think Riv got in a bunch, 
advertised it in the newsletter, and sold out. I got a pair to eventually 
put on my Hubbuhubbuh, because the fenders on that one should come up 
closer to the frame, but can't clear the v-brake cable. However, while I do 
not hate black parts per se, I definitely do not like them on a bright 
orange frame.

On Sunday, January 31, 2021 at 3:45:34 AM UTC-5 Ed Fausto wrote:

> Hi Mark,
> Thanks for recommending the Origin8 X-tra Pro V-brakes.  I have overlooked 
> this brake set from Riv.
> Will try to check other suppliers.
> Ed
>
> On Wednesday, January 27, 2021 at 9:37:43 PM UTC+8 Mark Roland wrote:
>
>> The Dia Compe 980 is a wide profile cantilever, so raising the straddle 
>> cable should not degrade the brake performance.
>>
>> Last week Rivendell had Origin8 X-tra Pro V-brakes for sale. These have 
>> 110mm arms, like the Tektro 849a, which are no longer available (you can 
>> get them in a couple of places overseas). This should give you enough 
>> clearance for fenders. Unfortunately, Riv is sold out. You can get them 
>> from other vendors.
>>
>> For my Clem L, I originally was running Thunder Burts in 2.2 and wanted 
>> extra clearance, so I got the biggest 700c fenders from Velo Orange (63mm 
>> fluted) and re-radiused them for 650B. This should give you some additional 
>> clearance for your 27.5 Gus. VO has instructions on its blog on how to do 
>> this, fairly straightforward.
>>
>> My Susie with Teravail Honcho 2.6" tires, like your Gus, has tons of room 
>> in the rear but it is getting close under the fork crown. Still doable, but 
>> if I were running fenders I would switch to the file tread of Rene Herse 
>> Antelope Hill ( 700 x 55/2.2"). Also, fenders would run afoul of the 
>> current v-brakes. Luckily, I have my Clem L if I need to ride in bad 
>> weather.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 1:55:44 PM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:
>>
>>> Ed,  I have 2.8 tires on wide (34i) rims on my 56/700c Susie and am 
>>> trying to figure out fenders too.   I just tried a set of SKS Bluemel 75s 
>>> in case this experience helps:
>>>
>>> There is plenty of frame clearance, even with a good gap to the tire.  
>>> As seems to be the case with many Rivendells, the tightest spot was at the 
>>> bottom of the fork crown - not at the seat tube or chainstays or braces, as 
>>> you'd expect with other bikes.   I don't think I would have even needed to 
>>> notch the rear for chain clearance, but that's a function of bottom bracket 
>>> spindle length so YMMV.  However, I did have interference at the cantilever 
>>> straddle wire.   (I used cantis instead of v brakes specifically because I 
>>> wanted to run big tires and fenders, which wouldn't fit under V-brakes.)  
>>>
>>> I could solve this and make these fenders work by raising the straddle 
>>> wire a tiny bit, but I'm reluctant to becasue I think I have them adjusted 
>>> pretty well for power.  Or I could notch the edge of the fender to allow 
>>> the cable to cut through, but that seems dangerous.   A different canti arm 
>>> profile might help too.  (I'm using the Dia Compe 980.) I was going to try 
>>> an extra-wide straddle-wire hanger - which would proably solve it - but I 
>>> kind of decided that the black fenders don't look so good on the bike.   If 
>>> you have a different color scheme than me though and don't mind black, this 
>>> may be a pretty good solution.  They're nice looking and nicely-made 
>>> fenders - just not like the silver SKS that I'm accustomed to.
>>>
>>> My next step is going to be to try the Simworks/Honjo Flat 80 fender, 
>>> but they're super expensive so I need to make as many measurements as 
>>> possible first.  The advantage of using aluminum will be that I can deform 
>>> them to fit the fork crown better than plastic ones, where the critical 
>>> clearance point would otherwise be as noted above.
>>>
>>> Last option will be to use some Planet Bike 60mm fenders, even though 
>>> those wouldn't provide full coverage.
>>>
>>> Boils down to a lot of trial and error unfortunately, but I can at least 
>>> confirm that it will be possible in one way or another.   I'm going to put 
>>> the Bluemel 75 fenders on another bike soon but haven't yet, in case you'd 
>>> like me to take some photos of it mocked up.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 2:45:11 AM UTC-7 Ed Fausto wrote:
>>>
 Hi Joe,
 Looks like its a choice between a 27.5 plus tire versus fender with 
 smaller tires.
 I will first try the half-fender you suggested.
 Thanks.

 On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 4:46:49 PM UTC+8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I have a Susie/Wolbis with 27.5 x 2.25 Thunder Burts. I have SKS P65 
> fenders which I have test-fitted but not mounted and it looks like it'll 
> work but it's close. The max tire for these frames is 2.8 and 
> unfortunately 
> I think you're going to have to drop down closer to what I'm using 

[RBW] Re: Fender for Gus Boots Willsen

[Weston Hein]

Beautiful build Keith! That rear cable hanger is so good with the brass 
pulley :)

What rims are you running on the Susie? 

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> On Sunday, January 31, 2021 at 11:43:06 AM UTC-7 iamkeith wrote:
>
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[RBW] Re: Fender for Gus Boots Willsen

[Jared Wilson]

Very slick Keith, I'll post when I get around to making a similar piece.
On Sunday, January 31, 2021 at 3:11:35 PM UTC-8 iamkeith wrote:

> Jared,  it's just a scrap of HDPE board, like they make modern playground 
> equipment out of.  As noted, I made it myself, with a few minutes effort 
> with a chopsaw, hand drill and sandpaper.  (I found some joker selling 
> scraps on ebay for cheap, calling them "cutting boards."  I did NOT sneak 
> into a playground late at night with a hand saw.)  If you open the photo on 
> your cell phone, hold the phone flat, and sight down the cable, you can see 
> how it kicks out with a slight angled routing, to improve tire and 
> (eventually) fender clearance.
>
>
> On Sunday, January 31, 2021 at 12:52:34 PM UTC-7 duh...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Keith,
>>
>> Who makes the blue RD cable guide that's on your kickstand plate?
>>
>> -Jared
>>
>> On Sunday, January 31, 2021 at 10:45:03 AM UTC-8 iamkeith wrote:
>>
>>> On Sunday, January 31, 2021 at 11:43:06 AM UTC-7 iamkeith wrote:
>>>


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[RBW] Re: Fender for Gus Boots Willsen

[iamkeith]

Jared,  it's just a scrap of HDPE board, like they make modern playground 
equipment out of.  As noted, I made it myself, with a few minutes effort 
with a chopsaw, hand drill and sandpaper.  (I found some joker selling 
scraps on ebay for cheap, calling them "cutting boards."  I did NOT sneak 
into a playground late at night with a hand saw.)  If you open the photo on 
your cell phone, hold the phone flat, and sight down the cable, you can see 
how it kicks out with a slight angled routing, to improve tire and 
(eventually) fender clearance.


On Sunday, January 31, 2021 at 12:52:34 PM UTC-7 duh...@gmail.com wrote:

> Keith,
>
> Who makes the blue RD cable guide that's on your kickstand plate?
>
> -Jared
>
> On Sunday, January 31, 2021 at 10:45:03 AM UTC-8 iamkeith wrote:
>
>> On Sunday, January 31, 2021 at 11:43:06 AM UTC-7 iamkeith wrote:
>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Fender for Gus Boots Willsen

[Jared Wilson]

Keith,

Who makes the blue RD cable guide that's on your kickstand plate?

-Jared

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> On Sunday, January 31, 2021 at 11:43:06 AM UTC-7 iamkeith wrote:
>
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[RBW] Re: Fender for Gus Boots Willsen

[Ed Fausto]

Hi iamkeith,
Two questions...
1. What brand/make and where did you get those rear brake cable hanger?
2. What specific model and size are your tires?
TIA

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[RBW] Re: Fender for Gus Boots Willsen

[Ed Fausto]

Hi Mark,
Thanks for recommending the Origin8 X-tra Pro V-brakes.  I have overlooked 
this brake set from Riv.
Will try to check other suppliers.
Ed

On Wednesday, January 27, 2021 at 9:37:43 PM UTC+8 Mark Roland wrote:

> The Dia Compe 980 is a wide profile cantilever, so raising the straddle 
> cable should not degrade the brake performance.
>
> Last week Rivendell had Origin8 X-tra Pro V-brakes for sale. These have 
> 110mm arms, like the Tektro 849a, which are no longer available (you can 
> get them in a couple of places overseas). This should give you enough 
> clearance for fenders. Unfortunately, Riv is sold out. You can get them 
> from other vendors.
>
> For my Clem L, I originally was running Thunder Burts in 2.2 and wanted 
> extra clearance, so I got the biggest 700c fenders from Velo Orange (63mm 
> fluted) and re-radiused them for 650B. This should give you some additional 
> clearance for your 27.5 Gus. VO has instructions on its blog on how to do 
> this, fairly straightforward.
>
> My Susie with Teravail Honcho 2.6" tires, like your Gus, has tons of room 
> in the rear but it is getting close under the fork crown. Still doable, but 
> if I were running fenders I would switch to the file tread of Rene Herse 
> Antelope Hill ( 700 x 55/2.2"). Also, fenders would run afoul of the 
> current v-brakes. Luckily, I have my Clem L if I need to ride in bad 
> weather.
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 1:55:44 PM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:
>
>> Ed,  I have 2.8 tires on wide (34i) rims on my 56/700c Susie and am 
>> trying to figure out fenders too.   I just tried a set of SKS Bluemel 75s 
>> in case this experience helps:
>>
>> There is plenty of frame clearance, even with a good gap to the tire.  As 
>> seems to be the case with many Rivendells, the tightest spot was at the 
>> bottom of the fork crown - not at the seat tube or chainstays or braces, as 
>> you'd expect with other bikes.   I don't think I would have even needed to 
>> notch the rear for chain clearance, but that's a function of bottom bracket 
>> spindle length so YMMV.  However, I did have interference at the cantilever 
>> straddle wire.   (I used cantis instead of v brakes specifically because I 
>> wanted to run big tires and fenders, which wouldn't fit under V-brakes.)  
>>
>> I could solve this and make these fenders work by raising the straddle 
>> wire a tiny bit, but I'm reluctant to becasue I think I have them adjusted 
>> pretty well for power.  Or I could notch the edge of the fender to allow 
>> the cable to cut through, but that seems dangerous.   A different canti arm 
>> profile might help too.  (I'm using the Dia Compe 980.) I was going to try 
>> an extra-wide straddle-wire hanger - which would proably solve it - but I 
>> kind of decided that the black fenders don't look so good on the bike.   If 
>> you have a different color scheme than me though and don't mind black, this 
>> may be a pretty good solution.  They're nice looking and nicely-made 
>> fenders - just not like the silver SKS that I'm accustomed to.
>>
>> My next step is going to be to try the Simworks/Honjo Flat 80 fender, but 
>> they're super expensive so I need to make as many measurements as possible 
>> first.  The advantage of using aluminum will be that I can deform them to 
>> fit the fork crown better than plastic ones, where the critical clearance 
>> point would otherwise be as noted above.
>>
>> Last option will be to use some Planet Bike 60mm fenders, even though 
>> those wouldn't provide full coverage.
>>
>> Boils down to a lot of trial and error unfortunately, but I can at least 
>> confirm that it will be possible in one way or another.   I'm going to put 
>> the Bluemel 75 fenders on another bike soon but haven't yet, in case you'd 
>> like me to take some photos of it mocked up.
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 2:45:11 AM UTC-7 Ed Fausto wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Joe,
>>> Looks like its a choice between a 27.5 plus tire versus fender with 
>>> smaller tires.
>>> I will first try the half-fender you suggested.
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 4:46:49 PM UTC+8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 I have a Susie/Wolbis with 27.5 x 2.25 Thunder Burts. I have SKS P65 
 fenders which I have test-fitted but not mounted and it looks like it'll 
 work but it's close. The max tire for these frames is 2.8 and 
 unfortunately 
 I think you're going to have to drop down closer to what I'm using to get 
 full fenders in that space, too. Another option is to get those 
 half-fender 
 things that mountain bikers use, PDW has some options there. 

 Joe Bernard

 On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 12:14:58 AM UTC-8 Ed Fausto wrote:

> After a long wait, I finally received my GBW with 27.5 x 2.6" 
> Bontrager XR2 tires.
> Ever since I became a fan of Rivendell, I have been a fender convert 
> mostly using SKS fenders.
>
> Looking at the tire clearances of my GBW, it seems I 

[RBW] Re: Fender for Gus Boots Willsen

[Mark Roland]

The Dia Compe 980 is a wide profile cantilever, so raising the straddle 
cable should not degrade the brake performance.

Last week Rivendell had Origin8 X-tra Pro V-brakes for sale. These have 
110mm arms, like the Tektro 849a, which are no longer available (you can 
get them in a couple of places overseas). This should give you enough 
clearance for fenders. Unfortunately, Riv is sold out. You can get them 
from other vendors.

For my Clem L, I originally was running Thunder Burts in 2.2 and wanted 
extra clearance, so I got the biggest 700c fenders from Velo Orange (63mm 
fluted) and re-radiused them for 650B. This should give you some additional 
clearance for your 27.5 Gus. VO has instructions on its blog on how to do 
this, fairly straightforward.

My Susie with Teravail Honcho 2.6" tires, like your Gus, has tons of room 
in the rear but it is getting close under the fork crown. Still doable, but 
if I were running fenders I would switch to the file tread of Rene Herse 
Antelope Hill ( 700 x 55/2.2"). Also, fenders would run afoul of the 
current v-brakes. Luckily, I have my Clem L if I need to ride in bad 
weather.



On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 1:55:44 PM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:

> Ed,  I have 2.8 tires on wide (34i) rims on my 56/700c Susie and am trying 
> to figure out fenders too.   I just tried a set of SKS Bluemel 75s in case 
> this experience helps:
>
> There is plenty of frame clearance, even with a good gap to the tire.  As 
> seems to be the case with many Rivendells, the tightest spot was at the 
> bottom of the fork crown - not at the seat tube or chainstays or braces, as 
> you'd expect with other bikes.   I don't think I would have even needed to 
> notch the rear for chain clearance, but that's a function of bottom bracket 
> spindle length so YMMV.  However, I did have interference at the cantilever 
> straddle wire.   (I used cantis instead of v brakes specifically because I 
> wanted to run big tires and fenders, which wouldn't fit under V-brakes.)  
>
> I could solve this and make these fenders work by raising the straddle 
> wire a tiny bit, but I'm reluctant to becasue I think I have them adjusted 
> pretty well for power.  Or I could notch the edge of the fender to allow 
> the cable to cut through, but that seems dangerous.   A different canti arm 
> profile might help too.  (I'm using the Dia Compe 980.) I was going to try 
> an extra-wide straddle-wire hanger - which would proably solve it - but I 
> kind of decided that the black fenders don't look so good on the bike.   If 
> you have a different color scheme than me though and don't mind black, this 
> may be a pretty good solution.  They're nice looking and nicely-made 
> fenders - just not like the silver SKS that I'm accustomed to.
>
> My next step is going to be to try the Simworks/Honjo Flat 80 fender, but 
> they're super expensive so I need to make as many measurements as possible 
> first.  The advantage of using aluminum will be that I can deform them to 
> fit the fork crown better than plastic ones, where the critical clearance 
> point would otherwise be as noted above.
>
> Last option will be to use some Planet Bike 60mm fenders, even though 
> those wouldn't provide full coverage.
>
> Boils down to a lot of trial and error unfortunately, but I can at least 
> confirm that it will be possible in one way or another.   I'm going to put 
> the Bluemel 75 fenders on another bike soon but haven't yet, in case you'd 
> like me to take some photos of it mocked up.
>
> On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 2:45:11 AM UTC-7 Ed Fausto wrote:
>
>> Hi Joe,
>> Looks like its a choice between a 27.5 plus tire versus fender with 
>> smaller tires.
>> I will first try the half-fender you suggested.
>> Thanks.
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 4:46:49 PM UTC+8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> I have a Susie/Wolbis with 27.5 x 2.25 Thunder Burts. I have SKS P65 
>>> fenders which I have test-fitted but not mounted and it looks like it'll 
>>> work but it's close. The max tire for these frames is 2.8 and unfortunately 
>>> I think you're going to have to drop down closer to what I'm using to get 
>>> full fenders in that space, too. Another option is to get those half-fender 
>>> things that mountain bikers use, PDW has some options there. 
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 12:14:58 AM UTC-8 Ed Fausto wrote:
>>>
 After a long wait, I finally received my GBW with 27.5 x 2.6" Bontrager 
 XR2 tires.
 Ever since I became a fan of Rivendell, I have been a fender convert 
 mostly using SKS fenders.

 Looking at the tire clearances of my GBW, it seems I do not have enough 
 space to install fenders.

 Anyone who has installed fenders with these hilly bikes?



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[RBW] Re: Fender for Gus Boots Willsen

[Ed Fausto]

Dear iamkeith,

Thanks for providing those pictures :-)
Looks like your Susie fork has better tire clearance than my 51 GUS.  :-(
I will try to get some measurement when I get home tonight but based on my 
visual estimate, the fork of my 51 GUS has only around 5-8mm clearance from 
the top of the tire.
Looks like the Susie forks has more clearance than Gus forks unless my 27.5 
x 2.6 tires are unusually taller compared to other 27.5 plus tires.

Regards,
Ed Fausto

On Wednesday, January 27, 2021 at 8:56:23 AM UTC+8 iamkeith wrote:

> On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 5:54:08 PM UTC-7 iamkeith wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 5:51:48 PM UTC-7 iamkeith wrote:
>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Fender for Gus Boots Willsen

[Joe Bernard]

Interesting. Based on what I see on my Susie this shouldn't work, but my 
tires are knobbier so that will make a difference. Nice job!



On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 4:56:23 PM UTC-8 iamkeith wrote:

> On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 5:54:08 PM UTC-7 iamkeith wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 5:51:48 PM UTC-7 iamkeith wrote:
>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Fender for Gus Boots Willsen

[Ed Fausto]

Hi iamkeith!
Please do take some photos and keep us updated on your fender experiments.
Yes, you are correct.  The fork crown has the tightest clearance.  When I 
had my Gus built by Rivendell I did not anticipated the potential fender 
issue and had V brakes installed with its straddle wire close to the tires.

With the Dia Compe 980, do you have to deflate your tires a lot to remove 
the wheel set?
On Wednesday, January 27, 2021 at 2:55:44 AM UTC+8 iamkeith wrote:

> Ed,  I have 2.8 tires on wide (34i) rims on my 56/700c Susie and am trying 
> to figure out fenders too.   I just tried a set of SKS Bluemel 75s in case 
> this experience helps:
>
> There is plenty of frame clearance, even with a good gap to the tire.  As 
> seems to be the case with many Rivendells, the tightest spot was at the 
> bottom of the fork crown - not at the seat tube or chainstays or braces, as 
> you'd expect with other bikes.   I don't think I would have even needed to 
> notch the rear for chain clearance, but that's a function of bottom bracket 
> spindle length so YMMV.  However, I did have interference at the cantilever 
> straddle wire.   (I used cantis instead of v brakes specifically because I 
> wanted to run big tires and fenders, which wouldn't fit under V-brakes.)  
>
> I could solve this and make these fenders work by raising the straddle 
> wire a tiny bit, but I'm reluctant to becasue I think I have them adjusted 
> pretty well for power.  Or I could notch the edge of the fender to allow 
> the cable to cut through, but that seems dangerous.   A different canti arm 
> profile might help too.  (I'm using the Dia Compe 980.) I was going to try 
> an extra-wide straddle-wire hanger - which would proably solve it - but I 
> kind of decided that the black fenders don't look so good on the bike.   If 
> you have a different color scheme than me though and don't mind black, this 
> may be a pretty good solution.  They're nice looking and nicely-made 
> fenders - just not like the silver SKS that I'm accustomed to.
>
> My next step is going to be to try the Simworks/Honjo Flat 80 fender, but 
> they're super expensive so I need to make as many measurements as possible 
> first.  The advantage of using aluminum will be that I can deform them to 
> fit the fork crown better than plastic ones, where the critical clearance 
> point would otherwise be as noted above.
>
> Last option will be to use some Planet Bike 60mm fenders, even though 
> those wouldn't provide full coverage.
>
> Boils down to a lot of trial and error unfortunately, but I can at least 
> confirm that it will be possible in one way or another.   I'm going to put 
> the Bluemel 75 fenders on another bike soon but haven't yet, in case you'd 
> like me to take some photos of it mocked up.
>
> On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 2:45:11 AM UTC-7 Ed Fausto wrote:
>
>> Hi Joe,
>> Looks like its a choice between a 27.5 plus tire versus fender with 
>> smaller tires.
>> I will first try the half-fender you suggested.
>> Thanks.
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 4:46:49 PM UTC+8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> I have a Susie/Wolbis with 27.5 x 2.25 Thunder Burts. I have SKS P65 
>>> fenders which I have test-fitted but not mounted and it looks like it'll 
>>> work but it's close. The max tire for these frames is 2.8 and unfortunately 
>>> I think you're going to have to drop down closer to what I'm using to get 
>>> full fenders in that space, too. Another option is to get those half-fender 
>>> things that mountain bikers use, PDW has some options there. 
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 12:14:58 AM UTC-8 Ed Fausto wrote:
>>>
 After a long wait, I finally received my GBW with 27.5 x 2.6" Bontrager 
 XR2 tires.
 Ever since I became a fan of Rivendell, I have been a fender convert 
 mostly using SKS fenders.

 Looking at the tire clearances of my GBW, it seems I do not have enough 
 space to install fenders.

 Anyone who has installed fenders with these hilly bikes?



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[RBW] Re: Fender for Gus Boots Willsen

[iamkeith]

Ed,  I have 2.8 tires on wide (34i) rims on my 56/700c Susie and am trying 
to figure out fenders too.   I just tried a set of SKS Bluemel 75s in case 
this experience helps:

There is plenty of frame clearance, even with a good gap to the tire.  As 
seems to be the case with many Rivendells, the tightest spot was at the 
bottom of the fork crown - not at the seat tube or chainstays or braces, as 
you'd expect with other bikes.   I don't think I would have even needed to 
notch the rear for chain clearance, but that's a function of bottom bracket 
spindle length so YMMV.  However, I did have interference at the cantilever 
straddle wire.   (I used cantis instead of v brakes specifically because I 
wanted to run big tires and fenders, which wouldn't fit under V-brakes.)  

I could solve this and make these fenders work by raising the straddle wire 
a tiny bit, but I'm reluctant to becasue I think I have them adjusted 
pretty well for power.  Or I could notch the edge of the fender to allow 
the cable to cut through, but that seems dangerous.   A different canti arm 
profile might help too.  (I'm using the Dia Compe 980.) I was going to try 
an extra-wide straddle-wire hanger - which would proably solve it - but I 
kind of decided that the black fenders don't look so good on the bike.   If 
you have a different color scheme than me though and don't mind black, this 
may be a pretty good solution.  They're nice looking and nicely-made 
fenders - just not like the silver SKS that I'm accustomed to.

My next step is going to be to try the Simworks/Honjo Flat 80 fender, but 
they're super expensive so I need to make as many measurements as possible 
first.  The advantage of using aluminum will be that I can deform them to 
fit the fork crown better than plastic ones, where the critical clearance 
point would otherwise be as noted above.

Last option will be to use some Planet Bike 60mm fenders, even though those 
wouldn't provide full coverage.

Boils down to a lot of trial and error unfortunately, but I can at least 
confirm that it will be possible in one way or another.   I'm going to put 
the Bluemel 75 fenders on another bike soon but haven't yet, in case you'd 
like me to take some photos of it mocked up.

On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 2:45:11 AM UTC-7 Ed Fausto wrote:

> Hi Joe,
> Looks like its a choice between a 27.5 plus tire versus fender with 
> smaller tires.
> I will first try the half-fender you suggested.
> Thanks.
>
> On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 4:46:49 PM UTC+8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> I have a Susie/Wolbis with 27.5 x 2.25 Thunder Burts. I have SKS P65 
>> fenders which I have test-fitted but not mounted and it looks like it'll 
>> work but it's close. The max tire for these frames is 2.8 and unfortunately 
>> I think you're going to have to drop down closer to what I'm using to get 
>> full fenders in that space, too. Another option is to get those half-fender 
>> things that mountain bikers use, PDW has some options there. 
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 12:14:58 AM UTC-8 Ed Fausto wrote:
>>
>>> After a long wait, I finally received my GBW with 27.5 x 2.6" Bontrager 
>>> XR2 tires.
>>> Ever since I became a fan of Rivendell, I have been a fender convert 
>>> mostly using SKS fenders.
>>>
>>> Looking at the tire clearances of my GBW, it seems I do not have enough 
>>> space to install fenders.
>>>
>>> Anyone who has installed fenders with these hilly bikes?
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Fender for Gus Boots Willsen

[Ed Fausto]

Hi Joe,
Looks like its a choice between a 27.5 plus tire versus fender with smaller 
tires.
I will first try the half-fender you suggested.
Thanks.

On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 4:46:49 PM UTC+8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I have a Susie/Wolbis with 27.5 x 2.25 Thunder Burts. I have SKS P65 
> fenders which I have test-fitted but not mounted and it looks like it'll 
> work but it's close. The max tire for these frames is 2.8 and unfortunately 
> I think you're going to have to drop down closer to what I'm using to get 
> full fenders in that space, too. Another option is to get those half-fender 
> things that mountain bikers use, PDW has some options there. 
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 12:14:58 AM UTC-8 Ed Fausto wrote:
>
>> After a long wait, I finally received my GBW with 27.5 x 2.6" Bontrager 
>> XR2 tires.
>> Ever since I became a fan of Rivendell, I have been a fender convert 
>> mostly using SKS fenders.
>>
>> Looking at the tire clearances of my GBW, it seems I do not have enough 
>> space to install fenders.
>>
>> Anyone who has installed fenders with these hilly bikes?
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Fender for Gus Boots Willsen

[Joe Bernard]

I have a Susie/Wolbis with 27.5 x 2.25 Thunder Burts. I have SKS P65 
fenders which I have test-fitted but not mounted and it looks like it'll 
work but it's close. The max tire for these frames is 2.8 and unfortunately 
I think you're going to have to drop down closer to what I'm using to get 
full fenders in that space, too. Another option is to get those half-fender 
things that mountain bikers use, PDW has some options there. 

Joe Bernard

On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 12:14:58 AM UTC-8 Ed Fausto wrote:

> After a long wait, I finally received my GBW with 27.5 x 2.6" Bontrager 
> XR2 tires.
> Ever since I became a fan of Rivendell, I have been a fender convert 
> mostly using SKS fenders.
>
> Looking at the tire clearances of my GBW, it seems I do not have enough 
> space to install fenders.
>
> Anyone who has installed fenders with these hilly bikes?
>
>

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