Re: [RBW] Re: Front Rack ideas
Great pictures, Earl! The Nitto front rack on that Bombadil - that's the one I want. Same one that's on the lead Atlantis photo on Riv's site. The big front rack sold today at Riv, as installed in the site video, obscures the beautiful fork legs. I prefer the rack leg proud of the fork leg so they both stand out. Not planning to use front panniers, so not making the utility tradeoff. Anybody know the what and where on the earlier one? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Front Rack ideas
I bought a steering damper on a VO order, and it does not fit in the space available on my old bike with fenders. If anyone wants it, new - package opened - $10 will get it there by Priority Mail. http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/accessories/racks-decaleurs/vo-wheel-stabilizer.html (I ordered a Hebie from SJS, and am hoping it will be smaller) On Thursday, February 28, 2013 1:58:14 AM UTC-6, Earl Grey wrote: Agreed that 4 struts on a Mark's are key, which is why I am surprised that apparently no-one has thought of mounting the second set of struts to the inside of the hourglass brazeon on the fork (see related thread: 4 struts on a Mark's). Chris Chen thought of mounting the rear set of struts to the inside of the rack ( http://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/8506365178/in/photostream), but that doesn't solve the issue of stacking two struts onto one bolt at the fork, though it does provide some side-to-side triangulation. I have ordered bent and straight stays from Riv for my wife's Mark's and will report back on various mounting options of the second set of struts in a month or so when they arrive in Thailand. Regarding the problem of front wheel movement while parked with a front load, I have just installed a steering damper on my Sam with a big Wald basket on a Nitto Mini Front rack (as well as a stem-mounted child seat). As you can see, with about 13lbs the movement is limited to about 45 degrees (this can be fine-tuned with an adjustment screw): http://www.flickr.com/photos/gernothuber/ Steering is probably slowed a bit near the limit, but I think that handling is actually improved with a heavy front load, while I don't notice any difference during unloaded riding, though I haven't really tested that yet. I like the steering damper so much that I think that Riv should start providing a brazeon for it. Seems like the logical step after mid-fork rack mounts and kickstand plates. I thought I was kidding on this last comment, but apparently at least some Dutch bikes have such a brazeon: http://overthebarsinmilwaukee.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/steering-damper.jpg Gernot Thailand On Wednesday, February 27, 2013 2:12:24 AM UTC+7, William wrote: Edwin Sounds like a good list. The key to using the Mark's Rack with a true load is the second set of struts, as you can see in the staff bikes photos (Keven's Appaloosa, Grant's Homer). It's much more loadable with the second pair of struts. On Monday, February 25, 2013 5:36:47 PM UTC-8, Edwin W wrote: I am weighing (no pun intended!) a few of the helpful suggestions from the group. I think I am considering: CETMA strong and tough, ugly and expensive. Blackburn cheap and tough, ugly and not made for this bike. Marks elegant and made for the bike, expensive and wondering about weight limit, but I see on the staff bikes they appear to hold more than 4.4 pounds. Someone from the list has told me they might have one of these. Gamoj porter like on Sean's bike on the staff bikes page. As to my original post: I almost always carry 5-10 pounds in my work bag to and from work, and on rare occasion a 12 pack of beer and very rarely a case or other such groceries, but would love to have the option. And have it be better than the current situation with soma rack and p clamps. Thanks for all of the suggestions. Edwin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Front Rack ideas
I have the Hebie. I am not using the plastic cover for the spring, and the spring was dragging on the fender, scratching it (maybe that's why there is a cover?) :). But rotating the L bracket at the fork crown so the spring attaches above the brake bolt solved the problem. You can see the scratches and the position of the bracket in this photo: http://www.flickr.com/photos/gernothuber/8513927014/in/photostream Gernot On Thursday, February 28, 2013 9:26:50 PM UTC+7, Ron Mc wrote: I bought a steering damper on a VO order, and it does not fit in the space available on my old bike with fenders. If anyone wants it, new - package opened - $10 will get it there by Priority Mail. http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/accessories/racks-decaleurs/vo-wheel-stabilizer.html (I ordered a Hebie from SJS, and am hoping it will be smaller) On Thursday, February 28, 2013 1:58:14 AM UTC-6, Earl Grey wrote: Agreed that 4 struts on a Mark's are key, which is why I am surprised that apparently no-one has thought of mounting the second set of struts to the inside of the hourglass brazeon on the fork (see related thread: 4 struts on a Mark's). Chris Chen thought of mounting the rear set of struts to the inside of the rack ( http://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/8506365178/in/photostream), but that doesn't solve the issue of stacking two struts onto one bolt at the fork, though it does provide some side-to-side triangulation. I have ordered bent and straight stays from Riv for my wife's Mark's and will report back on various mounting options of the second set of struts in a month or so when they arrive in Thailand. Regarding the problem of front wheel movement while parked with a front load, I have just installed a steering damper on my Sam with a big Wald basket on a Nitto Mini Front rack (as well as a stem-mounted child seat). As you can see, with about 13lbs the movement is limited to about 45 degrees (this can be fine-tuned with an adjustment screw): http://www.flickr.com/photos/gernothuber/ Steering is probably slowed a bit near the limit, but I think that handling is actually improved with a heavy front load, while I don't notice any difference during unloaded riding, though I haven't really tested that yet. I like the steering damper so much that I think that Riv should start providing a brazeon for it. Seems like the logical step after mid-fork rack mounts and kickstand plates. I thought I was kidding on this last comment, but apparently at least some Dutch bikes have such a brazeon: http://overthebarsinmilwaukee.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/steering-damper.jpg Gernot Thailand On Wednesday, February 27, 2013 2:12:24 AM UTC+7, William wrote: Edwin Sounds like a good list. The key to using the Mark's Rack with a true load is the second set of struts, as you can see in the staff bikes photos (Keven's Appaloosa, Grant's Homer). It's much more loadable with the second pair of struts. On Monday, February 25, 2013 5:36:47 PM UTC-8, Edwin W wrote: I am weighing (no pun intended!) a few of the helpful suggestions from the group. I think I am considering: CETMA strong and tough, ugly and expensive. Blackburn cheap and tough, ugly and not made for this bike. Marks elegant and made for the bike, expensive and wondering about weight limit, but I see on the staff bikes they appear to hold more than 4.4 pounds. Someone from the list has told me they might have one of these. Gamoj porter like on Sean's bike on the staff bikes page. As to my original post: I almost always carry 5-10 pounds in my work bag to and from work, and on rare occasion a 12 pack of beer and very rarely a case or other such groceries, but would love to have the option. And have it be better than the current situation with soma rack and p clamps. Thanks for all of the suggestions. Edwin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Front Rack ideas
It has been suggested to me to stear clear of the Steco racks, so I will pass that on. Wouldn't want to crush a headtube. If you want the best rack for the heaviest of front loads on a non-cargo bike, you need the WorkCycles frame-fixed 'pickup' front rack. I have one, and it is fantastic. It is rated to 25kg. I have carried at least 60 pounds with it. The fact that it's frame-fixed means the load is much more balanced than a typical fork-fixed front rack. The rack, sans hardware, is also removable. http://www.workcycles.com/home-products/parts-accessories-books/pickup-frame-mounted-front-carrier I got mine from Adeline Adeline in NYC. It's not listed on their site, but you can call them. It was something like $130 shipped. Not the cheapest, but probably the sturdiest front cargo option short of a cycletruck or bakfiets. http://www.adelineadeline.com/ I would be hesitant to install it on something as lovely as a Sam. You may run into interference with the downtube cable bosses. On my Trek, they were not essential, and were removed. http://www.flickr.com/photos/fundenphoto/7578646820/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Front Rack ideas
I'll step up and throw my weight behind the Gamoh portuer rack. I've had it on my daily commuter for a few months and I really like it. i had a custom porteur bag made for it as well, and it's massive. I've had some issues w/ the legs matching up with multiple bikes and forks..and I'm about to switch it to another bike, but I might just bend the legs or buy some Nitto rack arms from Riv soon and customize the attachment points. The rack itself though is nice and not too expensive.. On Thursday, February 28, 2013 8:26:50 AM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote: I bought a steering damper on a VO order, and it does not fit in the space available on my old bike with fenders. If anyone wants it, new - package opened - $10 will get it there by Priority Mail. http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/accessories/racks-decaleurs/vo-wheel-stabilizer.html (I ordered a Hebie from SJS, and am hoping it will be smaller) On Thursday, February 28, 2013 1:58:14 AM UTC-6, Earl Grey wrote: Agreed that 4 struts on a Mark's are key, which is why I am surprised that apparently no-one has thought of mounting the second set of struts to the inside of the hourglass brazeon on the fork (see related thread: 4 struts on a Mark's). Chris Chen thought of mounting the rear set of struts to the inside of the rack ( http://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/8506365178/in/photostream), but that doesn't solve the issue of stacking two struts onto one bolt at the fork, though it does provide some side-to-side triangulation. I have ordered bent and straight stays from Riv for my wife's Mark's and will report back on various mounting options of the second set of struts in a month or so when they arrive in Thailand. Regarding the problem of front wheel movement while parked with a front load, I have just installed a steering damper on my Sam with a big Wald basket on a Nitto Mini Front rack (as well as a stem-mounted child seat). As you can see, with about 13lbs the movement is limited to about 45 degrees (this can be fine-tuned with an adjustment screw): http://www.flickr.com/photos/gernothuber/ Steering is probably slowed a bit near the limit, but I think that handling is actually improved with a heavy front load, while I don't notice any difference during unloaded riding, though I haven't really tested that yet. I like the steering damper so much that I think that Riv should start providing a brazeon for it. Seems like the logical step after mid-fork rack mounts and kickstand plates. I thought I was kidding on this last comment, but apparently at least some Dutch bikes have such a brazeon: http://overthebarsinmilwaukee.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/steering-damper.jpg Gernot Thailand On Wednesday, February 27, 2013 2:12:24 AM UTC+7, William wrote: Edwin Sounds like a good list. The key to using the Mark's Rack with a true load is the second set of struts, as you can see in the staff bikes photos (Keven's Appaloosa, Grant's Homer). It's much more loadable with the second pair of struts. On Monday, February 25, 2013 5:36:47 PM UTC-8, Edwin W wrote: I am weighing (no pun intended!) a few of the helpful suggestions from the group. I think I am considering: CETMA strong and tough, ugly and expensive. Blackburn cheap and tough, ugly and not made for this bike. Marks elegant and made for the bike, expensive and wondering about weight limit, but I see on the staff bikes they appear to hold more than 4.4 pounds. Someone from the list has told me they might have one of these. Gamoj porter like on Sean's bike on the staff bikes page. As to my original post: I almost always carry 5-10 pounds in my work bag to and from work, and on rare occasion a 12 pack of beer and very rarely a case or other such groceries, but would love to have the option. And have it be better than the current situation with soma rack and p clamps. Thanks for all of the suggestions. Edwin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Front Rack ideas
strap to the bar is a good idea. It's also the reason I like the Bertoud decaleur design with a boxy bag - load sharing with the bar/stem. On Tuesday, February 26, 2013 9:14:23 PM UTC-6, Shoji Takahashi wrote: For added peace of mind, take an Irish strap or two and loop it between the handlebars and the basket. Presumably, it'll take some weight off the rack and onto the handlebars, which can support a lot of weight. I think Keven's Appaloosa has straps in the pic. On Tuesday, February 26, 2013 2:12:24 PM UTC-5, William wrote: Edwin Sounds like a good list. The key to using the Mark's Rack with a true load is the second set of struts, as you can see in the staff bikes photos (Keven's Appaloosa, Grant's Homer). It's much more loadable with the second pair of struts. On Monday, February 25, 2013 5:36:47 PM UTC-8, Edwin W wrote: I am weighing (no pun intended!) a few of the helpful suggestions from the group. I think I am considering: CETMA strong and tough, ugly and expensive. Blackburn cheap and tough, ugly and not made for this bike. Marks elegant and made for the bike, expensive and wondering about weight limit, but I see on the staff bikes they appear to hold more than 4.4 pounds. Someone from the list has told me they might have one of these. Gamoj porter like on Sean's bike on the staff bikes page. As to my original post: I almost always carry 5-10 pounds in my work bag to and from work, and on rare occasion a 12 pack of beer and very rarely a case or other such groceries, but would love to have the option. And have it be better than the current situation with soma rack and p clamps. Thanks for all of the suggestions. Edwin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Front Rack ideas
Agreed that 4 struts on a Mark's are key, which is why I am surprised that apparently no-one has thought of mounting the second set of struts to the inside of the hourglass brazeon on the fork (see related thread: 4 struts on a Mark's). Chris Chen thought of mounting the rear set of struts to the inside of the rack (http://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/8506365178/in/photostream), but that doesn't solve the issue of stacking two struts onto one bolt at the fork, though it does provide some side-to-side triangulation. I have ordered bent and straight stays from Riv for my wife's Mark's and will report back on various mounting options of the second set of struts in a month or so when they arrive in Thailand. Regarding the problem of front wheel movement while parked with a front load, I have just installed a steering damper on my Sam with a big Wald basket on a Nitto Mini Front rack (as well as a stem-mounted child seat). As you can see, with about 13lbs the movement is limited to about 45 degrees (this can be fine-tuned with an adjustment screw): http://www.flickr.com/photos/gernothuber/ Steering is probably slowed a bit near the limit, but I think that handling is actually improved with a heavy front load, while I don't notice any difference during unloaded riding, though I haven't really tested that yet. I like the steering damper so much that I think that Riv should start providing a brazeon for it. Seems like the logical step after mid-fork rack mounts and kickstand plates. I thought I was kidding on this last comment, but apparently at least some Dutch bikes have such a brazeon: http://overthebarsinmilwaukee.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/steering-damper.jpg Gernot Thailand On Wednesday, February 27, 2013 2:12:24 AM UTC+7, William wrote: Edwin Sounds like a good list. The key to using the Mark's Rack with a true load is the second set of struts, as you can see in the staff bikes photos (Keven's Appaloosa, Grant's Homer). It's much more loadable with the second pair of struts. On Monday, February 25, 2013 5:36:47 PM UTC-8, Edwin W wrote: I am weighing (no pun intended!) a few of the helpful suggestions from the group. I think I am considering: CETMA strong and tough, ugly and expensive. Blackburn cheap and tough, ugly and not made for this bike. Marks elegant and made for the bike, expensive and wondering about weight limit, but I see on the staff bikes they appear to hold more than 4.4 pounds. Someone from the list has told me they might have one of these. Gamoj porter like on Sean's bike on the staff bikes page. As to my original post: I almost always carry 5-10 pounds in my work bag to and from work, and on rare occasion a 12 pack of beer and very rarely a case or other such groceries, but would love to have the option. And have it be better than the current situation with soma rack and p clamps. Thanks for all of the suggestions. Edwin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Front Rack ideas
I am weighing (no pun intended!) a few of the helpful suggestions from the group. I think I am considering: CETMA strong and tough, ugly and expensive. Blackburn cheap and tough, ugly and not made for this bike. Marks elegant and made for the bike, expensive and wondering about weight limit, but I see on the staff bikes they appear to hold more than 4.4 pounds. Someone from the list has told me they might have one of these. Gamoj porter like on Sean's bike on the staff bikes page. As to my original post: I almost always carry 5-10 pounds in my work bag to and from work, and on rare occasion a 12 pack of beer and very rarely a case or other such groceries, but would love to have the option. And have it be better than the current situation with soma rack and p clamps. Thanks for all of the suggestions. Edwin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Front Rack ideas
Edwin Sounds like a good list. The key to using the Mark's Rack with a true load is the second set of struts, as you can see in the staff bikes photos (Keven's Appaloosa, Grant's Homer). It's much more loadable with the second pair of struts. On Monday, February 25, 2013 5:36:47 PM UTC-8, Edwin W wrote: I am weighing (no pun intended!) a few of the helpful suggestions from the group. I think I am considering: CETMA strong and tough, ugly and expensive. Blackburn cheap and tough, ugly and not made for this bike. Marks elegant and made for the bike, expensive and wondering about weight limit, but I see on the staff bikes they appear to hold more than 4.4 pounds. Someone from the list has told me they might have one of these. Gamoj porter like on Sean's bike on the staff bikes page. As to my original post: I almost always carry 5-10 pounds in my work bag to and from work, and on rare occasion a 12 pack of beer and very rarely a case or other such groceries, but would love to have the option. And have it be better than the current situation with soma rack and p clamps. Thanks for all of the suggestions. Edwin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Front Rack ideas
For added peace of mind, take an Irish strap or two and loop it between the handlebars and the basket. Presumably, it'll take some weight off the rack and onto the handlebars, which can support a lot of weight. I think Keven's Appaloosa has straps in the pic. On Tuesday, February 26, 2013 2:12:24 PM UTC-5, William wrote: Edwin Sounds like a good list. The key to using the Mark's Rack with a true load is the second set of struts, as you can see in the staff bikes photos (Keven's Appaloosa, Grant's Homer). It's much more loadable with the second pair of struts. On Monday, February 25, 2013 5:36:47 PM UTC-8, Edwin W wrote: I am weighing (no pun intended!) a few of the helpful suggestions from the group. I think I am considering: CETMA strong and tough, ugly and expensive. Blackburn cheap and tough, ugly and not made for this bike. Marks elegant and made for the bike, expensive and wondering about weight limit, but I see on the staff bikes they appear to hold more than 4.4 pounds. Someone from the list has told me they might have one of these. Gamoj porter like on Sean's bike on the staff bikes page. As to my original post: I almost always carry 5-10 pounds in my work bag to and from work, and on rare occasion a 12 pack of beer and very rarely a case or other such groceries, but would love to have the option. And have it be better than the current situation with soma rack and p clamps. Thanks for all of the suggestions. Edwin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Front Rack ideas
Pass Stow Rack meets every criteria save price - even price is fine if you consider quality, utility and durability. On Friday, February 22, 2013 12:07:36 PM UTC-6, Edwin W wrote: I am working on a Sam Hillborne build. I got a used 60cm single top tube sidepull brake edition (thanks Jim M!). I am trying to keep this build on a strict budget, which is tough. I wanted to hear from your ideas to solve the following problems: 1. I have a Soma mini front rackhttp://store.somafab.com/somialfrra.html, with a Wald 139 zip tied on, but it is too short to clear 38mm tires and fenders. I have it p-clambed to my current bike and that works ok, but feels more wobbly than if it were bolted on, I think. Is there a way to extend the legs? I was thinking of a connector between the rack and eyelet, but I think a joint there would be prone to flex with weight. 2. The Mark's rack would be great in theory, but expensive and only is expected to take 4.4 pounds. 3. Anyone had any experience with this dutch rackhttp://www.dutchbikebits.com/index.php?route=product/productpath=38product_id=187? They sell it in the US herehttp://rollingorangebikes.com/front-carrier-steco/. Shipping/importing makes it pricey. Pros - sturdy as heck. Cons - a bit overbuilt? Damage to headtube? 4. I looked at these racks from Racktimehttp://www.ebikestop.com/racktime_topit_universal_front_mount_rack_silver-RK7206.php?PARTNER=GOOGPSgclid=CMz2mIe8yrUCFQ7NnAodaWcAhA. Never heard of that seller. All the pictureshttp://www.flickr.com/photos/geiranders/5134857957/in/photostream/I have seen set them pretty high. Anybody used one on a Sam? How are the Sam mid-fork braze-ons in terms of height compared to other manufacturers? Thishttp://twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/2010/10/top-racks-and-mid-fork-bosses/review of racks says Rivendell's are higher than others. True? 5. Reading that review made me look at this Blackburnhttp://www.blackburndesign.com/racks/front-racks/mtf-1-front.html. Anybody used that with Riv mid forks? 6. I looked at Jenny's Hilsen on the staff bikes page and she said she used this Sun-Lite QR rackhttp://sunlitecycling.com/product_detail.php?short_code=QR-TEC+Front+Rackcl1=RACKS+FOR+BIKES- I'd rather bolt it than use up the quick release, as it would then no longer release, quickly! 7. General considerations 1. Price 2. Weight (not of the rack, but capability - I usually throw my work bag in there and sometimes up to a case of beer - 20-30lb) 3. Can I attach a front headlight? I am loving the BM IQ fly RT from Peter White. 4. And of course quality and longevity, but I have had basic cheap racks last a long time in my daily commute needs. 8. I think the new Sam's have two eyelets on each side up front, which would probably have solved everything! Other suggestions? Herehttp://www.flickr.com/photos/90785999@N06/8497462361/in/photostreamis a picture of where I am, mid-build. Thanks in advance. Edwin building a Sam on a tight budget Nashville, TN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Front Rack ideas
I have really enjoyed the links and references on this thread. Throwing out a usage consideration, though. It's entirely possible to live two weeks out of a 25-lb. pack. So, messengers notwithstanding, what is a real-world capacity requirement for a front rack? For me, a min-sized front rack, 11-liter rando bag with Bertoud decaleur covers all my foreseen needs. Certainly not the biggest bang for the buck, but convenient, and even classy. On Monday, February 25, 2013 8:28:40 AM UTC-6, Matthew J wrote: Pass Stow Rack meets every criteria save price - even price is fine if you consider quality, utility and durability. On Friday, February 22, 2013 12:07:36 PM UTC-6, Edwin W wrote: I am working on a Sam Hillborne build. I got a used 60cm single top tube sidepull brake edition (thanks Jim M!). I am trying to keep this build on a strict budget, which is tough. I wanted to hear from your ideas to solve the following problems: 1. I have a Soma mini front rackhttp://store.somafab.com/somialfrra.html, with a Wald 139 zip tied on, but it is too short to clear 38mm tires and fenders. I have it p-clambed to my current bike and that works ok, but feels more wobbly than if it were bolted on, I think. Is there a way to extend the legs? I was thinking of a connector between the rack and eyelet, but I think a joint there would be prone to flex with weight. 2. The Mark's rack would be great in theory, but expensive and only is expected to take 4.4 pounds. 3. Anyone had any experience with this dutch rackhttp://www.dutchbikebits.com/index.php?route=product/productpath=38product_id=187? They sell it in the US herehttp://rollingorangebikes.com/front-carrier-steco/. Shipping/importing makes it pricey. Pros - sturdy as heck. Cons - a bit overbuilt? Damage to headtube? 4. I looked at these racks from Racktimehttp://www.ebikestop.com/racktime_topit_universal_front_mount_rack_silver-RK7206.php?PARTNER=GOOGPSgclid=CMz2mIe8yrUCFQ7NnAodaWcAhA. Never heard of that seller. All the pictureshttp://www.flickr.com/photos/geiranders/5134857957/in/photostream/I have seen set them pretty high. Anybody used one on a Sam? How are the Sam mid-fork braze-ons in terms of height compared to other manufacturers? Thishttp://twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/2010/10/top-racks-and-mid-fork-bosses/review of racks says Rivendell's are higher than others. True? 5. Reading that review made me look at this Blackburnhttp://www.blackburndesign.com/racks/front-racks/mtf-1-front.html. Anybody used that with Riv mid forks? 6. I looked at Jenny's Hilsen on the staff bikes page and she said she used this Sun-Lite QR rackhttp://sunlitecycling.com/product_detail.php?short_code=QR-TEC+Front+Rackcl1=RACKS+FOR+BIKES- I'd rather bolt it than use up the quick release, as it would then no longer release, quickly! 7. General considerations 1. Price 2. Weight (not of the rack, but capability - I usually throw my work bag in there and sometimes up to a case of beer - 20-30lb) 3. Can I attach a front headlight? I am loving the BM IQ fly RT from Peter White. 4. And of course quality and longevity, but I have had basic cheap racks last a long time in my daily commute needs. 8. I think the new Sam's have two eyelets on each side up front, which would probably have solved everything! Other suggestions? Herehttp://www.flickr.com/photos/90785999@N06/8497462361/in/photostreamis a picture of where I am, mid-build. Thanks in advance. Edwin building a Sam on a tight budget Nashville, TN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Front Rack ideas
Not sure how the 25lb pack thing is relevant. The OP said he wanted to carry a case of beer on his front rack. On Monday, February 25, 2013 10:02:55 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote: I have really enjoyed the links and references on this thread. Throwing out a usage consideration, though. It's entirely possible to live two weeks out of a 25-lb. pack. So, messengers notwithstanding, what is a real-world capacity requirement for a front rack? For me, a min-sized front rack, 11-liter rando bag with Bertoud decaleur covers all my foreseen needs. Certainly not the biggest bang for the buck, but convenient, and even classy. On Monday, February 25, 2013 8:28:40 AM UTC-6, Matthew J wrote: Pass Stow Rack meets every criteria save price - even price is fine if you consider quality, utility and durability. On Friday, February 22, 2013 12:07:36 PM UTC-6, Edwin W wrote: I am working on a Sam Hillborne build. I got a used 60cm single top tube sidepull brake edition (thanks Jim M!). I am trying to keep this build on a strict budget, which is tough. I wanted to hear from your ideas to solve the following problems: 1. I have a Soma mini front rackhttp://store.somafab.com/somialfrra.html, with a Wald 139 zip tied on, but it is too short to clear 38mm tires and fenders. I have it p-clambed to my current bike and that works ok, but feels more wobbly than if it were bolted on, I think. Is there a way to extend the legs? I was thinking of a connector between the rack and eyelet, but I think a joint there would be prone to flex with weight. 2. The Mark's rack would be great in theory, but expensive and only is expected to take 4.4 pounds. 3. Anyone had any experience with this dutch rackhttp://www.dutchbikebits.com/index.php?route=product/productpath=38product_id=187? They sell it in the US herehttp://rollingorangebikes.com/front-carrier-steco/. Shipping/importing makes it pricey. Pros - sturdy as heck. Cons - a bit overbuilt? Damage to headtube? 4. I looked at these racks from Racktimehttp://www.ebikestop.com/racktime_topit_universal_front_mount_rack_silver-RK7206.php?PARTNER=GOOGPSgclid=CMz2mIe8yrUCFQ7NnAodaWcAhA. Never heard of that seller. All the pictureshttp://www.flickr.com/photos/geiranders/5134857957/in/photostream/I have seen set them pretty high. Anybody used one on a Sam? How are the Sam mid-fork braze-ons in terms of height compared to other manufacturers? Thishttp://twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/2010/10/top-racks-and-mid-fork-bosses/review of racks says Rivendell's are higher than others. True? 5. Reading that review made me look at this Blackburnhttp://www.blackburndesign.com/racks/front-racks/mtf-1-front.html. Anybody used that with Riv mid forks? 6. I looked at Jenny's Hilsen on the staff bikes page and she said she used this Sun-Lite QR rackhttp://sunlitecycling.com/product_detail.php?short_code=QR-TEC+Front+Rackcl1=RACKS+FOR+BIKES- I'd rather bolt it than use up the quick release, as it would then no longer release, quickly! 7. General considerations 1. Price 2. Weight (not of the rack, but capability - I usually throw my work bag in there and sometimes up to a case of beer - 20-30lb) 3. Can I attach a front headlight? I am loving the BM IQ fly RT from Peter White. 4. And of course quality and longevity, but I have had basic cheap racks last a long time in my daily commute needs. 8. I think the new Sam's have two eyelets on each side up front, which would probably have solved everything! Other suggestions? Herehttp://www.flickr.com/photos/90785999@N06/8497462361/in/photostreamis a picture of where I am, mid-build. Thanks in advance. Edwin building a Sam on a tight budget Nashville, TN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Front Rack ideas
Peter P. He mentions in the original post 20-30lbs (not sure how a case of beer equates 20-30lbs but he did mention it). I think this is a great thread to illustrate all the options for a front rack, but i question the motivation of cheap and strong and good looking. I read a mixed set of motivations here, you can find an affordable option like the blackburn, but if you're the type of person to think what-if down the road, i suggest just going with the pass stow, the paul's etc to settle that lingering doubt. if deep down you want one of those go for it. PS. have you actually carried 20-30lbs on the front of your bike that high? i have a nitto big front and don't even try to carry that much! On Friday, February 22, 2013 1:07:36 PM UTC-5, Edwin W wrote: I am working on a Sam Hillborne build. I got a used 60cm single top tube sidepull brake edition (thanks Jim M!). I am trying to keep this build on a strict budget, which is tough. I wanted to hear from your ideas to solve the following problems: 1. I have a Soma mini front rackhttp://store.somafab.com/somialfrra.html, with a Wald 139 zip tied on, but it is too short to clear 38mm tires and fenders. I have it p-clambed to my current bike and that works ok, but feels more wobbly than if it were bolted on, I think. Is there a way to extend the legs? I was thinking of a connector between the rack and eyelet, but I think a joint there would be prone to flex with weight. 2. The Mark's rack would be great in theory, but expensive and only is expected to take 4.4 pounds. 3. Anyone had any experience with this dutch rackhttp://www.dutchbikebits.com/index.php?route=product/productpath=38product_id=187? They sell it in the US herehttp://rollingorangebikes.com/front-carrier-steco/. Shipping/importing makes it pricey. Pros - sturdy as heck. Cons - a bit overbuilt? Damage to headtube? 4. I looked at these racks from Racktimehttp://www.ebikestop.com/racktime_topit_universal_front_mount_rack_silver-RK7206.php?PARTNER=GOOGPSgclid=CMz2mIe8yrUCFQ7NnAodaWcAhA. Never heard of that seller. All the pictureshttp://www.flickr.com/photos/geiranders/5134857957/in/photostream/I have seen set them pretty high. Anybody used one on a Sam? How are the Sam mid-fork braze-ons in terms of height compared to other manufacturers? Thishttp://twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/2010/10/top-racks-and-mid-fork-bosses/review of racks says Rivendell's are higher than others. True? 5. Reading that review made me look at this Blackburnhttp://www.blackburndesign.com/racks/front-racks/mtf-1-front.html. Anybody used that with Riv mid forks? 6. I looked at Jenny's Hilsen on the staff bikes page and she said she used this Sun-Lite QR rackhttp://sunlitecycling.com/product_detail.php?short_code=QR-TEC+Front+Rackcl1=RACKS+FOR+BIKES- I'd rather bolt it than use up the quick release, as it would then no longer release, quickly! 7. General considerations 1. Price 2. Weight (not of the rack, but capability - I usually throw my work bag in there and sometimes up to a case of beer - 20-30lb) 3. Can I attach a front headlight? I am loving the BM IQ fly RT from Peter White. 4. And of course quality and longevity, but I have had basic cheap racks last a long time in my daily commute needs. 8. I think the new Sam's have two eyelets on each side up front, which would probably have solved everything! Other suggestions? Herehttp://www.flickr.com/photos/90785999@N06/8497462361/in/photostreamis a picture of where I am, mid-build. Thanks in advance. Edwin building a Sam on a tight budget Nashville, TN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Front Rack ideas
The Pass and Stow rack is very nice, but I question the wizdom of carrying such big loads on a high trail bike like the Sam Hill. Even on my low trail Herse, putting 25 lb on the Pass and Stow made handling awkward. Patrick God decreed that heavy loads go on the rear Moore who recently carried 54 lb front and rear but mostly in the rear on his Fargo in ABQ, NM, USA. On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Minh mgiangs...@gmail.com wrote: Peter P. He mentions in the original post 20-30lbs (not sure how a case of beer equates 20-30lbs but he did mention it). I think this is a great thread to illustrate all the options for a front rack, but i question the motivation of cheap and strong and good looking. I read a mixed set of motivations here, you can find an affordable option like the blackburn, but if you're the type of person to think what-if down the road, i suggest just going with the pass stow, the paul's etc to settle that lingering doubt. if deep down you want one of those go for it. PS. have you actually carried 20-30lbs on the front of your bike that high? i have a nitto big front and don't even try to carry that much! On Friday, February 22, 2013 1:07:36 PM UTC-5, Edwin W wrote: I am working on a Sam Hillborne build. I got a used 60cm single top tube sidepull brake edition (thanks Jim M!). I am trying to keep this build on a strict budget, which is tough. I wanted to hear from your ideas to solve the following problems: 1. I have a Soma mini front rackhttp://store.somafab.com/somialfrra.html, with a Wald 139 zip tied on, but it is too short to clear 38mm tires and fenders. I have it p-clambed to my current bike and that works ok, but feels more wobbly than if it were bolted on, I think. Is there a way to extend the legs? I was thinking of a connector between the rack and eyelet, but I think a joint there would be prone to flex with weight. 2. The Mark's rack would be great in theory, but expensive and only is expected to take 4.4 pounds. 3. Anyone had any experience with this dutch rackhttp://www.dutchbikebits.com/index.php?route=product/productpath=38product_id=187? They sell it in the US herehttp://rollingorangebikes.com/front-carrier-steco/. Shipping/importing makes it pricey. Pros - sturdy as heck. Cons - a bit overbuilt? Damage to headtube? 4. I looked at these racks from Racktimehttp://www.ebikestop.com/racktime_topit_universal_front_mount_rack_silver-RK7206.php?PARTNER=GOOGPSgclid=CMz2mIe8yrUCFQ7NnAodaWcAhA. Never heard of that seller. All the pictureshttp://www.flickr.com/photos/geiranders/5134857957/in/photostream/I have seen set them pretty high. Anybody used one on a Sam? How are the Sam mid-fork braze-ons in terms of height compared to other manufacturers? Thishttp://twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/2010/10/top-racks-and-mid-fork-bosses/review of racks says Rivendell's are higher than others. True? 5. Reading that review made me look at this Blackburnhttp://www.blackburndesign.com/racks/front-racks/mtf-1-front.html. Anybody used that with Riv mid forks? 6. I looked at Jenny's Hilsen on the staff bikes page and she said she used this Sun-Lite QR rackhttp://sunlitecycling.com/product_detail.php?short_code=QR-TEC+Front+Rackcl1=RACKS+FOR+BIKES- I'd rather bolt it than use up the quick release, as it would then no longer release, quickly! 7. General considerations 1. Price 2. Weight (not of the rack, but capability - I usually throw my work bag in there and sometimes up to a case of beer - 20-30lb) 3. Can I attach a front headlight? I am loving the BM IQ fly RT from Peter White. 4. And of course quality and longevity, but I have had basic cheap racks last a long time in my daily commute needs. 8. I think the new Sam's have two eyelets on each side up front, which would probably have solved everything! Other suggestions? Herehttp://www.flickr.com/photos/90785999@N06/8497462361/in/photostreamis a picture of where I am, mid-build. Thanks in advance. Edwin building a Sam on a tight budget Nashville, TN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- - Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM, USA For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails
[RBW] Re: Front Rack ideas
Minh, I personally don't really like front loads, perhaps because I've never tried it on a bike optimized for it. I've tried baskets. rando bags. even the platrack/slickersack combo, but I particularly dislike the way the front wheel flops over as soon as you put a load on it. The only thing of substance I carry in front any more is my dog, in a wald basket strapped to a CETMA rack. Since he's small enough to fit in the basket, he's also small enough to lift up after I've straddled my bike and stabilized the bars to load him in. It's a pain, but I don't have to do it that often. -Pete in CT On Monday, February 25, 2013 12:23:34 PM UTC-5, Minh wrote: Peter P. He mentions in the original post 20-30lbs (not sure how a case of beer equates 20-30lbs but he did mention it). I think this is a great thread to illustrate all the options for a front rack, but i question the motivation of cheap and strong and good looking. I read a mixed set of motivations here, you can find an affordable option like the blackburn, but if you're the type of person to think what-if down the road, i suggest just going with the pass stow, the paul's etc to settle that lingering doubt. if deep down you want one of those go for it. PS. have you actually carried 20-30lbs on the front of your bike that high? i have a nitto big front and don't even try to carry that much! On Friday, February 22, 2013 1:07:36 PM UTC-5, Edwin W wrote: I am working on a Sam Hillborne build. I got a used 60cm single top tube sidepull brake edition (thanks Jim M!). I am trying to keep this build on a strict budget, which is tough. I wanted to hear from your ideas to solve the following problems: 1. I have a Soma mini front rackhttp://store.somafab.com/somialfrra.html, with a Wald 139 zip tied on, but it is too short to clear 38mm tires and fenders. I have it p-clambed to my current bike and that works ok, but feels more wobbly than if it were bolted on, I think. Is there a way to extend the legs? I was thinking of a connector between the rack and eyelet, but I think a joint there would be prone to flex with weight. 2. The Mark's rack would be great in theory, but expensive and only is expected to take 4.4 pounds. 3. Anyone had any experience with this dutch rackhttp://www.dutchbikebits.com/index.php?route=product/productpath=38product_id=187? They sell it in the US herehttp://rollingorangebikes.com/front-carrier-steco/. Shipping/importing makes it pricey. Pros - sturdy as heck. Cons - a bit overbuilt? Damage to headtube? 4. I looked at these racks from Racktimehttp://www.ebikestop.com/racktime_topit_universal_front_mount_rack_silver-RK7206.php?PARTNER=GOOGPSgclid=CMz2mIe8yrUCFQ7NnAodaWcAhA. Never heard of that seller. All the pictureshttp://www.flickr.com/photos/geiranders/5134857957/in/photostream/I have seen set them pretty high. Anybody used one on a Sam? How are the Sam mid-fork braze-ons in terms of height compared to other manufacturers? Thishttp://twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/2010/10/top-racks-and-mid-fork-bosses/review of racks says Rivendell's are higher than others. True? 5. Reading that review made me look at this Blackburnhttp://www.blackburndesign.com/racks/front-racks/mtf-1-front.html. Anybody used that with Riv mid forks? 6. I looked at Jenny's Hilsen on the staff bikes page and she said she used this Sun-Lite QR rackhttp://sunlitecycling.com/product_detail.php?short_code=QR-TEC+Front+Rackcl1=RACKS+FOR+BIKES- I'd rather bolt it than use up the quick release, as it would then no longer release, quickly! 7. General considerations 1. Price 2. Weight (not of the rack, but capability - I usually throw my work bag in there and sometimes up to a case of beer - 20-30lb) 3. Can I attach a front headlight? I am loving the BM IQ fly RT from Peter White. 4. And of course quality and longevity, but I have had basic cheap racks last a long time in my daily commute needs. 8. I think the new Sam's have two eyelets on each side up front, which would probably have solved everything! Other suggestions? Herehttp://www.flickr.com/photos/90785999@N06/8497462361/in/photostreamis a picture of where I am, mid-build. Thanks in advance. Edwin building a Sam on a tight budget Nashville, TN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Front Rack ideas
The Pass and Stow rack is very nice, but I question the wizdom of carrying such big loads on a high trail bike like the Sam Hill. Even on my low trail Herse, putting 25 lb on the Pass and Stow made handling awkward. Good point. My Pass Stow experience is on a bike designed for it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Front Rack ideas
Give Lane at CETMA a call. For messenger-tested, load-ready racks, his stuff is awesome. http://cetmacargo.com - J -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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I second CETMA. Solid stuff. I have one on my commuter. Pete in CT -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Front Rack ideas
FWIW I'm happy with the Racktime on my all-round bike: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=445253478878705set=a.391356014268452.89486.11821707336type=3theater Didn't like it so much on my Romulus: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=364928680244519set=a.341739692563418.73780.11821707336type=3theater It may sit too high for you, but I found it to be a good value in a mid priced rack. Rated at 10 kilos. BTW: Racktime is a sister company to Taubus - they are both owned by the same parent. Nick W On Friday, February 22, 2013 10:07:36 AM UTC-8, Edwin W wrote: I am working on a Sam Hillborne build. I got a used 60cm single top tube sidepull brake edition (thanks Jim M!). I am trying to keep this build on a strict budget, which is tough. I wanted to hear from your ideas to solve the following problems: 1. I have a Soma mini front rackhttp://store.somafab.com/somialfrra.html, with a Wald 139 zip tied on, but it is too short to clear 38mm tires and fenders. I have it p-clambed to my current bike and that works ok, but feels more wobbly than if it were bolted on, I think. Is there a way to extend the legs? I was thinking of a connector between the rack and eyelet, but I think a joint there would be prone to flex with weight. 2. The Mark's rack would be great in theory, but expensive and only is expected to take 4.4 pounds. 3. Anyone had any experience with this dutch rackhttp://www.dutchbikebits.com/index.php?route=product/productpath=38product_id=187? They sell it in the US herehttp://rollingorangebikes.com/front-carrier-steco/. Shipping/importing makes it pricey. Pros - sturdy as heck. Cons - a bit overbuilt? Damage to headtube? 4. I looked at these racks from Racktimehttp://www.ebikestop.com/racktime_topit_universal_front_mount_rack_silver-RK7206.php?PARTNER=GOOGPSgclid=CMz2mIe8yrUCFQ7NnAodaWcAhA. Never heard of that seller. All the pictureshttp://www.flickr.com/photos/geiranders/5134857957/in/photostream/I have seen set them pretty high. Anybody used one on a Sam? How are the Sam mid-fork braze-ons in terms of height compared to other manufacturers? Thishttp://twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/2010/10/top-racks-and-mid-fork-bosses/review of racks says Rivendell's are higher than others. True? 5. Reading that review made me look at this Blackburnhttp://www.blackburndesign.com/racks/front-racks/mtf-1-front.html. Anybody used that with Riv mid forks? 6. I looked at Jenny's Hilsen on the staff bikes page and she said she used this Sun-Lite QR rackhttp://sunlitecycling.com/product_detail.php?short_code=QR-TEC+Front+Rackcl1=RACKS+FOR+BIKES- I'd rather bolt it than use up the quick release, as it would then no longer release, quickly! 7. General considerations 1. Price 2. Weight (not of the rack, but capability - I usually throw my work bag in there and sometimes up to a case of beer - 20-30lb) 3. Can I attach a front headlight? I am loving the BM IQ fly RT from Peter White. 4. And of course quality and longevity, but I have had basic cheap racks last a long time in my daily commute needs. 8. I think the new Sam's have two eyelets on each side up front, which would probably have solved everything! Other suggestions? Herehttp://www.flickr.com/photos/90785999@N06/8497462361/in/photostreamis a picture of where I am, mid-build. Thanks in advance. Edwin building a Sam on a tight budget Nashville, TN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Front Rack ideas
For max basket support consider the Soma Porteur as well. It has a strong bolted connection to your front dropouts, can bolt to your fender as well as the VO and a Wald 139 zip ties on just fine. It also comes in painted, chrome and stainless depending on your needs and budget. Rob oceanaircycles.com Ventura, Ca On Friday, February 22, 2013 10:07:36 AM UTC-8, Edwin W wrote: I am working on a Sam Hillborne build. I got a used 60cm single top tube sidepull brake edition (thanks Jim M!). I am trying to keep this build on a strict budget, which is tough. I wanted to hear from your ideas to solve the following problems: 1. I have a Soma mini front rackhttp://store.somafab.com/somialfrra.html, with a Wald 139 zip tied on, but it is too short to clear 38mm tires and fenders. I have it p-clambed to my current bike and that works ok, but feels more wobbly than if it were bolted on, I think. Is there a way to extend the legs? I was thinking of a connector between the rack and eyelet, but I think a joint there would be prone to flex with weight. 2. The Mark's rack would be great in theory, but expensive and only is expected to take 4.4 pounds. 3. Anyone had any experience with this dutch rackhttp://www.dutchbikebits.com/index.php?route=product/productpath=38product_id=187? They sell it in the US herehttp://rollingorangebikes.com/front-carrier-steco/. Shipping/importing makes it pricey. Pros - sturdy as heck. Cons - a bit overbuilt? Damage to headtube? 4. I looked at these racks from Racktimehttp://www.ebikestop.com/racktime_topit_universal_front_mount_rack_silver-RK7206.php?PARTNER=GOOGPSgclid=CMz2mIe8yrUCFQ7NnAodaWcAhA. Never heard of that seller. All the pictureshttp://www.flickr.com/photos/geiranders/5134857957/in/photostream/I have seen set them pretty high. Anybody used one on a Sam? How are the Sam mid-fork braze-ons in terms of height compared to other manufacturers? Thishttp://twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/2010/10/top-racks-and-mid-fork-bosses/review of racks says Rivendell's are higher than others. True? 5. Reading that review made me look at this Blackburnhttp://www.blackburndesign.com/racks/front-racks/mtf-1-front.html. Anybody used that with Riv mid forks? 6. I looked at Jenny's Hilsen on the staff bikes page and she said she used this Sun-Lite QR rackhttp://sunlitecycling.com/product_detail.php?short_code=QR-TEC+Front+Rackcl1=RACKS+FOR+BIKES- I'd rather bolt it than use up the quick release, as it would then no longer release, quickly! 7. General considerations 1. Price 2. Weight (not of the rack, but capability - I usually throw my work bag in there and sometimes up to a case of beer - 20-30lb) 3. Can I attach a front headlight? I am loving the BM IQ fly RT from Peter White. 4. And of course quality and longevity, but I have had basic cheap racks last a long time in my daily commute needs. 8. I think the new Sam's have two eyelets on each side up front, which would probably have solved everything! Other suggestions? Herehttp://www.flickr.com/photos/90785999@N06/8497462361/in/photostreamis a picture of where I am, mid-build. Thanks in advance. Edwin building a Sam on a tight budget Nashville, TN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Front Rack ideas
I JUST finished installing a Blackburn MTF rack up front on my bro's bike. The installation required some tweaking with the mid-fork braze-ons (to get the rack level), but overall I think it looks like a decent rack. It attaches only at the mid-fork and lower eyelets, and I'm not sure how suitable it would be for heavier loads (Blackburn claims it carries 25 lb, so maybe no more than 35 lbs?). This rack was inexpensive enough ($35-$40) to take a chance (and even repaint it kelly green)... Link to photohttp://www.flickr.com/photos/16461051@N04/8503972004/ Good luck. On Friday, February 22, 2013 1:07:36 PM UTC-5, Edwin W wrote: I am working on a Sam Hillborne build. I got a used 60cm single top tube sidepull brake edition (thanks Jim M!). I am trying to keep this build on a strict budget, which is tough. I wanted to hear from your ideas to solve the following problems: 1. I have a Soma mini front rackhttp://store.somafab.com/somialfrra.html, with a Wald 139 zip tied on, but it is too short to clear 38mm tires and fenders. I have it p-clambed to my current bike and that works ok, but feels more wobbly than if it were bolted on, I think. Is there a way to extend the legs? I was thinking of a connector between the rack and eyelet, but I think a joint there would be prone to flex with weight. 2. The Mark's rack would be great in theory, but expensive and only is expected to take 4.4 pounds. 3. Anyone had any experience with this dutch rackhttp://www.dutchbikebits.com/index.php?route=product/productpath=38product_id=187? They sell it in the US herehttp://rollingorangebikes.com/front-carrier-steco/. Shipping/importing makes it pricey. Pros - sturdy as heck. Cons - a bit overbuilt? Damage to headtube? 4. I looked at these racks from Racktimehttp://www.ebikestop.com/racktime_topit_universal_front_mount_rack_silver-RK7206.php?PARTNER=GOOGPSgclid=CMz2mIe8yrUCFQ7NnAodaWcAhA. Never heard of that seller. All the pictureshttp://www.flickr.com/photos/geiranders/5134857957/in/photostream/I have seen set them pretty high. Anybody used one on a Sam? How are the Sam mid-fork braze-ons in terms of height compared to other manufacturers? Thishttp://twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/2010/10/top-racks-and-mid-fork-bosses/review of racks says Rivendell's are higher than others. True? 5. Reading that review made me look at this Blackburnhttp://www.blackburndesign.com/racks/front-racks/mtf-1-front.html. Anybody used that with Riv mid forks? 6. I looked at Jenny's Hilsen on the staff bikes page and she said she used this Sun-Lite QR rackhttp://sunlitecycling.com/product_detail.php?short_code=QR-TEC+Front+Rackcl1=RACKS+FOR+BIKES- I'd rather bolt it than use up the quick release, as it would then no longer release, quickly! 7. General considerations 1. Price 2. Weight (not of the rack, but capability - I usually throw my work bag in there and sometimes up to a case of beer - 20-30lb) 3. Can I attach a front headlight? I am loving the BM IQ fly RT from Peter White. 4. And of course quality and longevity, but I have had basic cheap racks last a long time in my daily commute needs. 8. I think the new Sam's have two eyelets on each side up front, which would probably have solved everything! Other suggestions? Herehttp://www.flickr.com/photos/90785999@N06/8497462361/in/photostreamis a picture of where I am, mid-build. Thanks in advance. Edwin building a Sam on a tight budget Nashville, TN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Front rack ideas
I just installed a Jandd Extreme rack, which required a special
hack... a bracket mod to make it fit the mid-fork mounts and still
remain level. It's a beautiful rack, (similar to the Surly Nice
Rack)... I'll have to see how it performs, but so far I like the way
it sits on my bike ('86 Schwinn Cimarron).
BB
On Feb 17, 3:30 pm, johnb jbust...@gmail.com wrote:
I have a 52cm frame and it being tax return time, money is not the deciding
factor. I had an acorn bag — great bag as an aside — and with drops, it was
quite cramped. My stature poses problems with most large bags. I had the
medium saddle sack and it would have rubbed the wheel without a fender/rack
supporting it.
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[RBW] Re: Front rack ideas
Pass Stow is a very well built rack. Swift bags are very well made. Had the combination on my Retrotec commuter. Very practical around town. For longer trips you can attach Arkel or Ortlieb panniers underneath with your sleeping bag and what not on top. On Feb 15, 3:18 pm, johnb jbust...@gmail.com wrote: Last year I got a new Atlantis for my 50th birthday. Originally, I outfitted it with a mini front rack with a small trunk sack and a Tubus Cargo on the back end. I bike commute to work 2-3 days/week. My ride to and from work involves 1 or 2 — depending on the route — 18% grades (one way with a cemetery conveniently located at the top of the steepest part). Having no weight on the front leaves the front a bit jumpy. My thinking is that if I put my clothes etc in the front, it will be less jumpy. I have some serious lust in my heart for a Pass and Stow rack for both its touring capabilities (in theory at least) and its hauling capabilities. Anyone with PS/Swift Industries/Freight Baggage bag combination experience I would be *really *interested in your thoughts. That said, any experiences good or bad with either the Pass and Stow or other bigger front rack/bag combinations would be greatly appreciated! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Front rack ideas
I have a 52cm frame and it being tax return time, money is not the deciding factor. I had an acorn bag — great bag as an aside — and with drops, it was quite cramped. My stature poses problems with most large bags. I had the medium saddle sack and it would have rubbed the wheel without a fender/rack supporting it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/kNVdv7-CENoJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Front rack ideas
Right now, the weight is on my back in a terrific Tom Bihn Synapse but that won't cut Baltimore summers. I have also used one of my Swift Industries panniers. Both work but the pannier is 10% full and seems like overkill and the Synapse is very full and will be too hot in the summer. To say I was going up the hills slowly would be generous to me. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/ESNEPLcxbMEJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Front rack ideas
On Thu, 2012-02-16 at 05:32 -0800, johnb wrote: Right now, the weight is on my back in a terrific Tom Bihn Synapse but that won't cut Baltimore summers. I have also used one of my Swift Industries panniers. Both work but the pannier is 10% full and seems like overkill and the Synapse is very full and will be too hot in the summer. Have you considered a seat bag like a Carradice? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Front rack ideas
I had a large SaddleSack that I tried. I found that its attachment to the bike a detriment for commuting. I had to put a bag inside the bag to get my stuff into the building where I have access to a shower. What I really like about the pannier and the Synapse are their ability to easily come inside with me. I also hated the idea of leaving my laptop in the bag if I had to run an errand on the way home. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/5QrR_h9rMgEJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] Re: Front rack ideas
I have the answer to your prayers: the Nitto Saddlebag Quick Release Grip. And in stock at Riv: http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/r13.htm This little device makes on/off for a saddlebag the work of an instant. It also stiffens the connection between bike and bag, so that there's less sway. And the piece that releases when you take the bag off functions as a handle for the bag while it's off the bike. A great little device. From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of johnb Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 9:50 AM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Front rack ideas I had a large SaddleSack that I tried. I found that its attachment to the bike a detriment for commuting. I had to put a bag inside the bag to get my stuff into the building where I have access to a shower. What I really like about the pannier and the Synapse are their ability to easily come inside with me. I also hated the idea of leaving my laptop in the bag if I had to run an errand on the way home. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/5QrR_h9rMgEJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- To ensure compliance with Treasury Department regulations, we advise you that, unless otherwise expressly indicated, any federal tax advice contained in this message was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding tax-related penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or applicable state or local tax law provisions or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any tax-related matters addressed herein. This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) 735-3000 and permanently delete the original email (and any copy of any email) and any printout thereof. Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners and their professional qualifications will be provided upon request. == -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Front rack ideas
I second Doug's suggestion. I use a big Wald on a Nitto mini front for commuting and grocery-shopping, and have had over 30lbs in there on a Sam Hillborne. Not ideal, but it works. A Bombadil-riding buddy of mine had a pass and stow and sold it. I think front racks that attach at the drop outs tend to stiffen the fork too much. I'd go with the basket, or maybe a Platrack if you can find one. The great thing about the basket plus bungie net is that you can throw pretty much anything in there, from loose groceries to a messenger bag when you get too hot. The only thing it doesn't work for well is yoga mats, which are too long. :) Gernot On Feb 16, 5:38 am, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote: John: Congrats on getting an Atlantis for a milestone b'day. Mine is coming up on 9 years old now it's still my go-to bike for everything. On your commute, are you carrying weight on the back and not much up front? On an 18% grade, that would be twitchy. I'm not familiar with the specific rack'n'bag combination you mention for the front but I can attest that my Atlantis (58 cm w/40mm tires) handles better with weight up front rather than at the rear, especially on steep grades where speeds are low. An easy, economical experiment would be to zip tie a basket to your mini-rack and carry your commute gear there in a stuff sack or similar cheap bag, just to see how you liked the handling. dougP On Feb 15, 1:18 pm, johnb jbust...@gmail.com wrote: Last year I got a new Atlantis for my 50th birthday. Originally, I outfitted it with a mini front rack with a small trunk sack and a Tubus Cargo on the back end. I bike commute to work 2-3 days/week. My ride to and from work involves 1 or 2 — depending on the route — 18% grades (one way with a cemetery conveniently located at the top of the steepest part). Having no weight on the front leaves the front a bit jumpy. My thinking is that if I put my clothes etc in the front, it will be less jumpy. I have some serious lust in my heart for a Pass and Stow rack for both its touring capabilities (in theory at least) and its hauling capabilities. Anyone with PS/Swift Industries/Freight Baggage bag combination experience I would be *really *interested in your thoughts. That said, any experiences good or bad with either the Pass and Stow or other bigger front rack/bag combinations would be greatly appreciated! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Front rack ideas
Ah the search for the perfect commuting set up! I have no experience with the Pass and stow rack, but they look very nice on the web site. After much trial and discovery I decided that I did not like panniers for commuting. About a third of my commute 30 mile commute was over dirt roads and I found it didn't take much wet weather to get the panniers pretty grimmy. I did use a carradice office bag if I absolutely had to carry the macbook, but otherwise tried to keep everything above the fenders. The Carradice SQR system with a barley bag is still my go to combination. No other system cam match it for easy on off the bike. But you want to front load. You didn't mention the size of you bike, or your budget, but either the Acorn bag, which also comes on off the bike quickly, or the biggest Bertoud bag might give you the added front weight you need. Commuting on dirt roads I found the only hill problem ( and I had about 6 miles of 7%+ grade every day) I had was standing up and loosing traction on the rear wheel. Perhaps on pavement you might be better off standing up and leaning forward to weight the front wheel? michael -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/Y_rvGypKsaUJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Front rack ideas
I have a Nitto Platrack that fits over my Nitto Mini, to which I have zip-tied a Wald basket, in which I carry any one of several bags of choice... While I think this config definitely extends the capacity of the basket option, one can still run a basket without the Platrack, as long as the size and weight on the rack don't overwhelm. Having said that, a Pass Stow rack up front would be my first choice. I also REALLY love my Zimbale (Carradice-like) saddlebag for tools and stuff, and were it not for having my trusty Wald basket up front, I'd have one of those quick-release saddlebag doo-dads that Tom describes and carry more stuff in my saddlebag. Lots of options... On Feb 15, 5:38 pm, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote: John: Congrats on getting an Atlantis for a milestone b'day. Mine is coming up on 9 years old now it's still my go-to bike for everything. On your commute, are you carrying weight on the back and not much up front? On an 18% grade, that would be twitchy. I'm not familiar with the specific rack'n'bag combination you mention for the front but I can attest that my Atlantis (58 cm w/40mm tires) handles better with weight up front rather than at the rear, especially on steep grades where speeds are low. An easy, economical experiment would be to zip tie a basket to your mini-rack and carry your commute gear there in a stuff sack or similar cheap bag, just to see how you liked the handling. dougP On Feb 15, 1:18 pm, johnb jbust...@gmail.com wrote: Last year I got a new Atlantis for my 50th birthday. Originally, I outfitted it with a mini front rack with a small trunk sack and a Tubus Cargo on the back end. I bike commute to work 2-3 days/week. My ride to and from work involves 1 or 2 — depending on the route — 18% grades (one way with a cemetery conveniently located at the top of the steepest part). Having no weight on the front leaves the front a bit jumpy. My thinking is that if I put my clothes etc in the front, it will be less jumpy. I have some serious lust in my heart for a Pass and Stow rack for both its touring capabilities (in theory at least) and its hauling capabilities. Anyone with PS/Swift Industries/Freight Baggage bag combination experience I would be *really *interested in your thoughts. That said, any experiences good or bad with either the Pass and Stow or other bigger front rack/bag combinations would be greatly appreciated! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Front rack ideas
John, I'm not sure that my Sam handles the way your Atlantis does, especially when considering big climbs. I do know that having some books and clothes up front is quite doable even with an 18% grade. Both, Pass and Stow and Swift Industries, have really good products that are very durable. From experience, having a lot of weight up front on long climbs is no problem so I'd definitely recommend the setup that you're looking into. And I definitely agree with dougP in that you should get a basket to try it out. While you have your heart set on a new rack and bag setup, the Wald baskets are super cheap and convenient. You can easily stuff all of your clothing in the smaller Wald basketI can only imagine what you could fit in the bigger one. On Feb 15, 2:38 pm, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote: John: Congrats on getting an Atlantis for a milestone b'day. Mine is coming up on 9 years old now it's still my go-to bike for everything. On your commute, are you carrying weight on the back and not much up front? On an 18% grade, that would be twitchy. I'm not familiar with the specific rack'n'bag combination you mention for the front but I can attest that my Atlantis (58 cm w/40mm tires) handles better with weight up front rather than at the rear, especially on steep grades where speeds are low. An easy, economical experiment would be to zip tie a basket to your mini-rack and carry your commute gear there in a stuff sack or similar cheap bag, just to see how you liked the handling. dougP On Feb 15, 1:18 pm, johnb jbust...@gmail.com wrote: Last year I got a new Atlantis for my 50th birthday. Originally, I outfitted it with a mini front rack with a small trunk sack and a Tubus Cargo on the back end. I bike commute to work 2-3 days/week. My ride to and from work involves 1 or 2 — depending on the route — 18% grades (one way with a cemetery conveniently located at the top of the steepest part). Having no weight on the front leaves the front a bit jumpy. My thinking is that if I put my clothes etc in the front, it will be less jumpy. I have some serious lust in my heart for a Pass and Stow rack for both its touring capabilities (in theory at least) and its hauling capabilities. Anyone with PS/Swift Industries/Freight Baggage bag combination experience I would be *really *interested in your thoughts. That said, any experiences good or bad with either the Pass and Stow or other bigger front rack/bag combinations would be greatly appreciated! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Front rack ideas
I've been commuting with an ortleib travel biker for two years. It's not a very tweedy solution but it's large (holds a suit, shirt, shoes, extra gear, etc, is completely waterproof, and clips on/off the top of a rear rack in 5 seconds. Only issue is the weight is a bit high but think the other advantages offset that. On Feb 16, 9:31 am, Tony Lockhart tony.lockh...@hotmail.com wrote: John, I'm not sure that my Sam handles the way your Atlantis does, especially when considering big climbs. I do know that having some books and clothes up front is quite doable even with an 18% grade. Both, Pass and Stow and Swift Industries, have really good products that are very durable. From experience, having a lot of weight up front on long climbs is no problem so I'd definitely recommend the setup that you're looking into. And I definitely agree with dougP in that you should get a basket to try it out. While you have your heart set on a new rack and bag setup, the Wald baskets are super cheap and convenient. You can easily stuff all of your clothing in the smaller Wald basketI can only imagine what you could fit in the bigger one. On Feb 15, 2:38 pm, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote: John: Congrats on getting an Atlantis for a milestone b'day. Mine is coming up on 9 years old now it's still my go-to bike for everything. On your commute, are you carrying weight on the back and not much up front? On an 18% grade, that would be twitchy. I'm not familiar with the specific rack'n'bag combination you mention for the front but I can attest that my Atlantis (58 cm w/40mm tires) handles better with weight up front rather than at the rear, especially on steep grades where speeds are low. An easy, economical experiment would be to zip tie a basket to your mini-rack and carry your commute gear there in a stuff sack or similar cheap bag, just to see how you liked the handling. dougP On Feb 15, 1:18 pm, johnb jbust...@gmail.com wrote: Last year I got a new Atlantis for my 50th birthday. Originally, I outfitted it with a mini front rack with a small trunk sack and a Tubus Cargo on the back end. I bike commute to work 2-3 days/week. My ride to and from work involves 1 or 2 — depending on the route — 18% grades (one way with a cemetery conveniently located at the top of the steepest part). Having no weight on the front leaves the front a bit jumpy. My thinking is that if I put my clothes etc in the front, it will be less jumpy. I have some serious lust in my heart for a Pass and Stow rack for both its touring capabilities (in theory at least) and its hauling capabilities. Anyone with PS/Swift Industries/Freight Baggage bag combination experience I would be *really *interested in your thoughts. That said, any experiences good or bad with either the Pass and Stow or other bigger front rack/bag combinations would be greatly appreciated! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Front rack ideas
John: Congrats on getting an Atlantis for a milestone b'day. Mine is coming up on 9 years old now it's still my go-to bike for everything. On your commute, are you carrying weight on the back and not much up front? On an 18% grade, that would be twitchy. I'm not familiar with the specific rack'n'bag combination you mention for the front but I can attest that my Atlantis (58 cm w/40mm tires) handles better with weight up front rather than at the rear, especially on steep grades where speeds are low. An easy, economical experiment would be to zip tie a basket to your mini-rack and carry your commute gear there in a stuff sack or similar cheap bag, just to see how you liked the handling. dougP On Feb 15, 1:18 pm, johnb jbust...@gmail.com wrote: Last year I got a new Atlantis for my 50th birthday. Originally, I outfitted it with a mini front rack with a small trunk sack and a Tubus Cargo on the back end. I bike commute to work 2-3 days/week. My ride to and from work involves 1 or 2 — depending on the route — 18% grades (one way with a cemetery conveniently located at the top of the steepest part). Having no weight on the front leaves the front a bit jumpy. My thinking is that if I put my clothes etc in the front, it will be less jumpy. I have some serious lust in my heart for a Pass and Stow rack for both its touring capabilities (in theory at least) and its hauling capabilities. Anyone with PS/Swift Industries/Freight Baggage bag combination experience I would be *really *interested in your thoughts. That said, any experiences good or bad with either the Pass and Stow or other bigger front rack/bag combinations would be greatly appreciated! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
