[RBW] Re: GrandBois tires on sale at Grandbois
anything I've bought from Japan has been shipped express mail and arrives quickly. The only hitch I've ever had has been a week in customs for an XCD crank, but that is unusual On Monday, January 26, 2015 at 3:24:20 PM UTC-6, Minh wrote: yikes, these were put into the mail and arrives in less then 5 days from Japan to the east coast. even accounting for the 3 days of processing it was only a week from order to delivery for a reasonable shipping amount. i would definately order from them again! On Monday, January 19, 2015 at 6:40:32 PM UTC-5, Minh wrote: add me to the list of folks giving these a shot, i would've preferred the 700x30s but the 28s are a nice second choice. it's amazing that these guys will discount them so heavily only being 10% off on weight! they've could've called them 'leger' instead of 'extra leger'! shipping was very reasonable, all in it was ~$76 for two tires shipped to the east-coast, that's the regular price of one GB EL tire, i think that discount is worth the extra 10% weight penalty! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: GrandBois tires on sale at Grandbois
yikes, these were put into the mail and arrives in less then 5 days from Japan to the east coast. even accounting for the 3 days of processing it was only a week from order to delivery for a reasonable shipping amount. i would definately order from them again! On Monday, January 19, 2015 at 6:40:32 PM UTC-5, Minh wrote: add me to the list of folks giving these a shot, i would've preferred the 700x30s but the 28s are a nice second choice. it's amazing that these guys will discount them so heavily only being 10% off on weight! they've could've called them 'leger' instead of 'extra leger'! shipping was very reasonable, all in it was ~$76 for two tires shipped to the east-coast, that's the regular price of one GB EL tire, i think that discount is worth the extra 10% weight penalty! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: GrandBois tires on sale at Grandbois
+1. First rate service. Not only did my package arrive today, but I got timely emails informing me of the shipping status. Anton On Monday, January 26, 2015 at 4:24:20 PM UTC-5, Minh wrote: yikes, these were put into the mail and arrives in less then 5 days from Japan to the east coast. even accounting for the 3 days of processing it was only a week from order to delivery for a reasonable shipping amount. i would definately order from them again! On Monday, January 19, 2015 at 6:40:32 PM UTC-5, Minh wrote: add me to the list of folks giving these a shot, i would've preferred the 700x30s but the 28s are a nice second choice. it's amazing that these guys will discount them so heavily only being 10% off on weight! they've could've called them 'leger' instead of 'extra leger'! shipping was very reasonable, all in it was ~$76 for two tires shipped to the east-coast, that's the regular price of one GB EL tire, i think that discount is worth the extra 10% weight penalty! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: GrandBois tires on sale at Grandbois
thanks Jan, that's the answer I was looking for. On Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:19:15 PM UTC-6, Jan Heine wrote: It's a bit more complex than that. The Standard tires have a lower tpi casing, which improves their cut resistance. (Very fine threads are easier to cut.) The Extralights have a higher thread count, but not the highest TPI Panaracer can do, because spacing the threads further apart makes the casing more supple, rather than a super-dense weave. The blog post David referenced explains it in more detail. Jan Heine Compass Bicycles Ltd. www.compasscycle.com Follow our blog at http://janheine.wordpress.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: GrandBois tires on sale at Grandbois
is there a different thread count on the casing fabric between the standard carcasses and the extra legers? On Tuesday, January 20, 2015 at 1:08:28 PM UTC-6, Jan Heine wrote: On Monday, January 19, 2015 at 3:40:32 PM UTC-8, Minh wrote: It's amazing that these guys will discount them so heavily only being 10% off on weight! they've could've called them 'leger' instead of 'extra leger'! Grand Bois is getting a new shipment, and don't want to create confusion. Adding an SKU to the shop is a major administrative task, and if you have limited numbers, it's easier to just sell them at a discount and clear the shelves. I actually prefer the current tires, as the new ones will revert to the dry-feeling casing that the first Extra-Legers used. We had too many issues with them fraying, but perhaps we ride them harder than many Japanese cyclotourists... Jan Heine Compass Bicycles Ltd. www.compasscycle.com Follow our blog at http://janheine.wordpress.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: GrandBois tires on sale at Grandbois
Jan wrote a blog post on this. If the GB EL's are the same as the Compass offerings, the EL's have a lower TPI than the standard. https://janheine.wordpress.com/2015/01/05/tpi-and-tire-performance/ On Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 10:58:51 AM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote: is there a different thread count on the casing fabric between the standard carcasses and the extra legers? On Tuesday, January 20, 2015 at 1:08:28 PM UTC-6, Jan Heine wrote: On Monday, January 19, 2015 at 3:40:32 PM UTC-8, Minh wrote: It's amazing that these guys will discount them so heavily only being 10% off on weight! they've could've called them 'leger' instead of 'extra leger'! Grand Bois is getting a new shipment, and don't want to create confusion. Adding an SKU to the shop is a major administrative task, and if you have limited numbers, it's easier to just sell them at a discount and clear the shelves. I actually prefer the current tires, as the new ones will revert to the dry-feeling casing that the first Extra-Legers used. We had too many issues with them fraying, but perhaps we ride them harder than many Japanese cyclotourists... Jan Heine Compass Bicycles Ltd. www.compasscycle.com Follow our blog at http://janheine.wordpress.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: GrandBois tires on sale at Grandbois
It's a bit more complex than that. The Standard tires have a lower tpi casing, which improves their cut resistance. (Very fine threads are easier to cut.) The Extralights have a higher thread count, but not the highest TPI Panaracer can do, because spacing the threads further apart makes the casing more supple, rather than a super-dense weave. The blog post David referenced explains it in more detail. Jan Heine Compass Bicycles Ltd. www.compasscycle.com Follow our blog at http://janheine.wordpress.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: GrandBois tires on sale at Grandbois
The ordering process was the same for me. I got my tires in less than 36 hours to receive, not bad service for free shipping. Another plus was the mailman came when my wife wasn't home. : ) They look nice, but i am going to wait till I need new tires to mount them. I bought them because I couldn't pass on the sale. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: GrandBois tires on sale at Grandbois
Mine weighed about 240 grams on my kitchen scale. The yen has really tanked compared to the dollar, so it is a good time to buy things from Japan now. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: GrandBois tires on sale at Grandbois
Just now, their website brings up a message that Google translates as: *Visit us, thank you.* *Currently, because of maintenance by the server providers,* *Not permitted access to temporary shops.* *Because it is a plan that can sometimes access 8 am,* *Although Excuse me, again, as you can visit us* *Thank you.* Looks like I'll need to try again later! David Lipsky Berkeley On Friday, January 16, 2015 at 8:39:44 PM UTC-8, frenchosa wrote: I just ordered GrandBois Extra Leger tires for for 32 each...about 1/2 price of what they are selling for in the States http://www.cyclesgrandbois.com/SHOP/T700_F28_EL.html I live in Japan, but it looks like they do international shipping. Michael Osaka, Japan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: GrandBois tires on sale at Grandbois
On Monday, January 19, 2015 at 3:40:32 PM UTC-8, Minh wrote: It's amazing that these guys will discount them so heavily only being 10% off on weight! they've could've called them 'leger' instead of 'extra leger'! Grand Bois is getting a new shipment, and don't want to create confusion. Adding an SKU to the shop is a major administrative task, and if you have limited numbers, it's easier to just sell them at a discount and clear the shelves. I actually prefer the current tires, as the new ones will revert to the dry-feeling casing that the first Extra-Legers used. We had too many issues with them fraying, but perhaps we ride them harder than many Japanese cyclotourists... Jan Heine Compass Bicycles Ltd. www.compasscycle.com Follow our blog at http://janheine.wordpress.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: GrandBois tires on sale at Grandbois
add me to the list of folks giving these a shot, i would've preferred the 700x30s but the 28s are a nice second choice. it's amazing that these guys will discount them so heavily only being 10% off on weight! they've could've called them 'leger' instead of 'extra leger'! shipping was very reasonable, all in it was ~$76 for two tires shipped to the east-coast, that's the regular price of one GB EL tire, i think that discount is worth the extra 10% weight penalty! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: GrandBois tires on sale at Grandbois
Count me in too. I ordered a set of 28s (agreed, wanted 30s but were sold out) and two of those nifty Cateye solar battery fender taillights for $15 a pop. Total with shipping came to $112 after paypal currency conversion fee. I could have gone crazy with scope creep after clicking on all their stuff, and blown $1000. Had to empty most things out of the cart and take a deep breath. A. Anton On Monday, January 19, 2015 at 6:40:32 PM UTC-5, Minh wrote: add me to the list of folks giving these a shot, i would've preferred the 700x30s but the 28s are a nice second choice. it's amazing that these guys will discount them so heavily only being 10% off on weight! they've could've called them 'leger' instead of 'extra leger'! shipping was very reasonable, all in it was ~$76 for two tires shipped to the east-coast, that's the regular price of one GB EL tire, i think that discount is worth the extra 10% weight penalty! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: GrandBois tires on sale at Grandbois
Thanks for the heads up Michael, I received an invoice for a pr Shipping to the States is fairly reasonable ~$10. The note said that the tires are about 10% heavier than claimed thus the discount. I have been riding the regular Cerf's and Cypress and thought they're already pretty nice, especially if you paired them up with latex tubes, either Vittoria or Challenge. Can't wait to try the extra leger. I wonder if these work as tubeless? On Friday, January 16, 2015 at 8:39:44 PM UTC-8, frenchosa wrote: I just ordered GrandBois Extra Leger tires for for 32 each...about 1/2 price of what they are selling for in the States http://www.cyclesgrandbois.com/SHOP/T700_F28_EL.html I live in Japan, but it looks like they do international shipping. Michael Osaka, Japan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: GrandBois tires on sale at Grandbois
Nice find - thanks for sharing with the list. Any thoughts on how these tires compare to the new Compass line of tires (at 28mm Chinook Pass)? Sean EA, NY On Friday, January 16, 2015 at 11:39:44 PM UTC-5, frenchosa wrote: I just ordered GrandBois Extra Leger tires for for 32 each...about 1/2 price of what they are selling for in the States http://www.cyclesgrandbois.com/SHOP/T700_F28_EL.html I live in Japan, but it looks like they do international shipping. Michael Osaka, Japan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: GrandBois tires on sale at Grandbois
Sean, I can't make a direct comparison since I haven't owned tires of either brand in that exact size, but I can tell you that the new Compass Pass 42mm tires do surpass the ride quality of the Grand Bois version they set out to improve upon, so my guess is that the Compass will be superior when comparing the other sizes as well. But if the Grand Bois tires can be had for around half the price of a Compass with about 95% of the ride quality, sounds like a good choice to me! Anton On Sunday, January 18, 2015 at 10:48:47 AM UTC-5, SeanMac wrote: Nice find - thanks for sharing with the list. Any thoughts on how these tires compare to the new Compass line of tires (at 28mm Chinook Pass)? Sean EA, NY On Friday, January 16, 2015 at 11:39:44 PM UTC-5, frenchosa wrote: I just ordered GrandBois Extra Leger tires for for 32 each...about 1/2 price of what they are selling for in the States http://www.cyclesgrandbois.com/SHOP/T700_F28_EL.html I live in Japan, but it looks like they do international shipping. Michael Osaka, Japan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: GrandBois tires on sale at Grandbois
Anton, I appreciate your response. Using pretty much the same logic as you - I decided to order a pair of the tires. The ordering process, unfortunately, is a bit complicated. Basically, after placing my order, I received a confirmation email from Grand Bois. If I understand things correctly, I will (at some point) receive a second email telling me what my final cost will be - specifically adding shipping charges (which were not given in my initial order) and subtracting Japanese sales tax. After receiving this information, I will be invited to finalize the transaction by paying with my Pay Pal account. The process does make me a bit nervous. However, it does seem that I can back out if the shipping charges are too high for my liking. The transaction is a bit complicated, but the deal is pretty darn good. Sean On Sunday, January 18, 2015 at 2:02:26 PM UTC-5, Anton Tutter wrote: Sean, I can't make a direct comparison since I haven't owned tires of either brand in that exact size, but I can tell you that the new Compass Pass 42mm tires do surpass the ride quality of the Grand Bois version they set out to improve upon, so my guess is that the Compass will be superior when comparing the other sizes as well. But if the Grand Bois tires can be had for around half the price of a Compass with about 95% of the ride quality, sounds like a good choice to me! Anton On Sunday, January 18, 2015 at 10:48:47 AM UTC-5, SeanMac wrote: Nice find - thanks for sharing with the list. Any thoughts on how these tires compare to the new Compass line of tires (at 28mm Chinook Pass)? Sean EA, NY On Friday, January 16, 2015 at 11:39:44 PM UTC-5, frenchosa wrote: I just ordered GrandBois Extra Leger tires for for 32 each...about 1/2 price of what they are selling for in the States http://www.cyclesgrandbois.com/SHOP/T700_F28_EL.html I live in Japan, but it looks like they do international shipping. Michael Osaka, Japan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
