[RBW] Re: Help me buy a Riv

[Roberta]

I replied to your other thread asking about a zippy bike and gave my full 
endorsement to the Homer.  I just love riding that bike.

For around town though, when it's an on/off/on/off/stop at 
light/start/stop...oh, pothole,  I much prefer my Platy.  I built it up 
light-sh with great tires, rims, a 1x and Dyno lighting.  That bike goes 
with me on about every other long ride, sharing duties with Homer.  Platy 
is my commuter ride.  As Johnny said, much of it is with the build.

If I'd have to keep one bike, I'd be happy with either.

Roberta

On Tuesday, March 29, 2022 at 3:56:17 PM UTC-4 Emily Guise wrote:

> Hands down, IMO, get a Platypus! Honestly SO good for riding around town, 
> it's super comfortable and stable. Climbs like a dream, fast on the flats 
> to speed through those yellow lights, easy step through frame for hopping 
> on and off. Looks gorgeous and you will receive many compliments, but it 
> can definitely handle all-too-frequent potholes and unpaved gravel sections 
> of streets (maybe that's just in Portland?). I have a basket up front and a 
> rear rack for carrying stuff and they don't weigh the bike down at all, and 
> they're fantastic for errands. 
>
> On Tuesday, March 29, 2022 at 4:56:10 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> Having a proto Gallop (designed to be a zippier road bike) and now a Clem 
>> (designed to be a do all modern mountain bike) I can say that the overall 
>> opinion that the Clem is not as sprite as other models comes down to builds 
>> more than frame. I can easily say that if I threw heavier commuter tires on 
>> the Gallop and added some racks and a Dynamo wheel and then on the flip 
>> side gave the Clem some light components and nice light/supple tires that 
>> the Clem would feel much zippier than the Gallop. I would argue that there 
>> isn't a bike in the lineup that couldnt do what you want to do and be a 
>> whole lot of fun to ride while you are doing it.  Maybe not the Roadeo but 
>> that's about it.  
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 29, 2022 at 7:30:40 AM UTC-4 Rusty Click wrote:
>>
>>> Graham,
>>> I live in Pittsburgh, PA and if your travels take you anywhere 
>>> near...say somewhere between CLE and IAD, I'd bring you my 60 Sam to ride. 
>>>  I also have a MUSA 62 Atlantis that's set up as a tourer if you'd like to 
>>> try it.  I use the Sam very much like you plan to do and love the ride. 
>>>  I've even had racks on it and used it for weeklong touring (before 
>>> Atlantis), and it held up fine even if a little out of its wheelhouse.
>>>
>>> Rusty
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, February 11, 2020 at 9:58:33 AM UTC-5 Graham McCall wrote:
>>>
 I’m currently trying to decide what Riv to buy for a general around 
 town city build. Plan would be upright bars, front rack and dynamo build. 

 I’d like something that isn’t specifically designed around carrying a 
 ton of stuff. I’d prefer something fun to ride then be built to carry the 
 kitchen sink. 

 What frames have people built up this way that feel great? 

 I was thinking a Joe, Homer, etc. I also love the Clem, but haven’t 
 ridden any Riv. 

 Thanks!
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Help me buy a Riv

[Emily Guise]

Hands down, IMO, get a Platypus! Honestly SO good for riding around town, 
it's super comfortable and stable. Climbs like a dream, fast on the flats 
to speed through those yellow lights, easy step through frame for hopping 
on and off. Looks gorgeous and you will receive many compliments, but it 
can definitely handle all-too-frequent potholes and unpaved gravel sections 
of streets (maybe that's just in Portland?). I have a basket up front and a 
rear rack for carrying stuff and they don't weigh the bike down at all, and 
they're fantastic for errands. 

On Tuesday, March 29, 2022 at 4:56:10 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:

> Having a proto Gallop (designed to be a zippier road bike) and now a Clem 
> (designed to be a do all modern mountain bike) I can say that the overall 
> opinion that the Clem is not as sprite as other models comes down to builds 
> more than frame. I can easily say that if I threw heavier commuter tires on 
> the Gallop and added some racks and a Dynamo wheel and then on the flip 
> side gave the Clem some light components and nice light/supple tires that 
> the Clem would feel much zippier than the Gallop. I would argue that there 
> isn't a bike in the lineup that couldnt do what you want to do and be a 
> whole lot of fun to ride while you are doing it.  Maybe not the Roadeo but 
> that's about it.  
>
> On Tuesday, March 29, 2022 at 7:30:40 AM UTC-4 Rusty Click wrote:
>
>> Graham,
>> I live in Pittsburgh, PA and if your travels take you anywhere near...say 
>> somewhere between CLE and IAD, I'd bring you my 60 Sam to ride.  I also 
>> have a MUSA 62 Atlantis that's set up as a tourer if you'd like to try it. 
>>  I use the Sam very much like you plan to do and love the ride.  I've even 
>> had racks on it and used it for weeklong touring (before Atlantis), and it 
>> held up fine even if a little out of its wheelhouse.
>>
>> Rusty
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 11, 2020 at 9:58:33 AM UTC-5 Graham McCall wrote:
>>
>>> I’m currently trying to decide what Riv to buy for a general around town 
>>> city build. Plan would be upright bars, front rack and dynamo build. 
>>>
>>> I’d like something that isn’t specifically designed around carrying a 
>>> ton of stuff. I’d prefer something fun to ride then be built to carry the 
>>> kitchen sink. 
>>>
>>> What frames have people built up this way that feel great? 
>>>
>>> I was thinking a Joe, Homer, etc. I also love the Clem, but haven’t 
>>> ridden any Riv. 
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Help me buy a Riv

[Johnny Alien]

Having a proto Gallop (designed to be a zippier road bike) and now a Clem 
(designed to be a do all modern mountain bike) I can say that the overall 
opinion that the Clem is not as sprite as other models comes down to builds 
more than frame. I can easily say that if I threw heavier commuter tires on 
the Gallop and added some racks and a Dynamo wheel and then on the flip 
side gave the Clem some light components and nice light/supple tires that 
the Clem would feel much zippier than the Gallop. I would argue that there 
isn't a bike in the lineup that couldnt do what you want to do and be a 
whole lot of fun to ride while you are doing it.  Maybe not the Roadeo but 
that's about it.  

On Tuesday, March 29, 2022 at 7:30:40 AM UTC-4 Rusty Click wrote:

> Graham,
> I live in Pittsburgh, PA and if your travels take you anywhere near...say 
> somewhere between CLE and IAD, I'd bring you my 60 Sam to ride.  I also 
> have a MUSA 62 Atlantis that's set up as a tourer if you'd like to try it. 
>  I use the Sam very much like you plan to do and love the ride.  I've even 
> had racks on it and used it for weeklong touring (before Atlantis), and it 
> held up fine even if a little out of its wheelhouse.
>
> Rusty
>
> On Tuesday, February 11, 2020 at 9:58:33 AM UTC-5 Graham McCall wrote:
>
>> I’m currently trying to decide what Riv to buy for a general around town 
>> city build. Plan would be upright bars, front rack and dynamo build. 
>>
>> I’d like something that isn’t specifically designed around carrying a ton 
>> of stuff. I’d prefer something fun to ride then be built to carry the 
>> kitchen sink. 
>>
>> What frames have people built up this way that feel great? 
>>
>> I was thinking a Joe, Homer, etc. I also love the Clem, but haven’t 
>> ridden any Riv. 
>>
>> Thanks!
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Help me buy a Riv

[Rusty Click]

Graham,
I live in Pittsburgh, PA and if your travels take you anywhere near...say 
somewhere between CLE and IAD, I'd bring you my 60 Sam to ride.  I also 
have a MUSA 62 Atlantis that's set up as a tourer if you'd like to try it. 
 I use the Sam very much like you plan to do and love the ride.  I've even 
had racks on it and used it for weeklong touring (before Atlantis), and it 
held up fine even if a little out of its wheelhouse.

Rusty

On Tuesday, February 11, 2020 at 9:58:33 AM UTC-5 Graham McCall wrote:

> I’m currently trying to decide what Riv to buy for a general around town 
> city build. Plan would be upright bars, front rack and dynamo build.
>
> I’d like something that isn’t specifically designed around carrying a ton 
> of stuff. I’d prefer something fun to ride then be built to carry the 
> kitchen sink.
>
> What frames have people built up this way that feel great?
>
> I was thinking a Joe, Homer, etc. I also love the Clem, but haven’t ridden 
> any Riv.
>
> Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: Help me buy a Riv

[Pam Bikes]

If you're going to be near Charlotte, NC you can come try out a Cheviot.  I 
have a 47, 50, 55, 60 cm.

On Monday, March 28, 2022 at 2:43:39 PM UTC-4 Sean Steinle wrote:

> I absolutely loved my 58 650b Hilsen. It was setup with Albatross and was 
> a total joy to ride. At the same time I had a Nobilette custom rando with 
> lightweight standard diameter tubing, so an extremely lively frame. 
> Switching back and forth, the Nobilette was noticeably more springy, but I 
> never once felt like the Hilsen was sluggish. All smiles everytime I rode 
> it. 
>
> On Tuesday, February 11, 2020 at 8:58:33 AM UTC-6 Graham McCall wrote:
>
>> I’m currently trying to decide what Riv to buy for a general around town 
>> city build. Plan would be upright bars, front rack and dynamo build. 
>>
>> I’d like something that isn’t specifically designed around carrying a ton 
>> of stuff. I’d prefer something fun to ride then be built to carry the 
>> kitchen sink. 
>>
>> What frames have people built up this way that feel great? 
>>
>> I was thinking a Joe, Homer, etc. I also love the Clem, but haven’t 
>> ridden any Riv. 
>>
>> Thanks!
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Help me buy a Riv

[Sean Steinle]

I absolutely loved my 58 650b Hilsen. It was setup with Albatross and was a 
total joy to ride. At the same time I had a Nobilette custom rando with 
lightweight standard diameter tubing, so an extremely lively frame. 
Switching back and forth, the Nobilette was noticeably more springy, but I 
never once felt like the Hilsen was sluggish. All smiles everytime I rode 
it. 

On Tuesday, February 11, 2020 at 8:58:33 AM UTC-6 Graham McCall wrote:

> I’m currently trying to decide what Riv to buy for a general around town 
> city build. Plan would be upright bars, front rack and dynamo build.
>
> I’d like something that isn’t specifically designed around carrying a ton 
> of stuff. I’d prefer something fun to ride then be built to carry the 
> kitchen sink.
>
> What frames have people built up this way that feel great?
>
> I was thinking a Joe, Homer, etc. I also love the Clem, but haven’t ridden 
> any Riv.
>
> Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: Help me buy a Riv

[Eric Marth]

I think your initial take is on the right track and you'd do well with a 
Hillborne/Homer or Appaloosa/Atlantis. I grouped the bikes because they're 
functional clones in terms of geo. Split hairs with the brakes on the Homer!

You might find the 2018 Rivendell frames catalog 
 
helpful, lots of good info there. 

I have an Appaloosa with front and rear racks, 54mm tires and a dynamo. 
This is my all-around, camping, groceries, rides on unpaved stuff in the 
mountains rig. 

I also have a Hillborne with 44mm tires, drop bars and a small handlebar 
bag (Baggins Boxy) that I use for road rides on pavement and also riding 
unpaved stuff in the mountains. Use it a fair bit around town, too, when I 
don't need to carry much. I could definitely see using it for city riding 
with upright bars and a front rack and basket. 

Further afield a Platypus could be great and meet your requirements.

To be sure there are lots of beautiful, useful, comfortable options at 
Rivendell. 

On Monday, March 28, 2022 at 1:52:53 PM UTC-4 vince.a...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey Graham, 
>
> I am in Falcon Heights and have an older Joe. Its a double top tub 58. I 
> am guessing it will ride similar to the newer models however. Let me know 
> if you want to give it a spin. 
>
> Thanks, 
> Vince
>
> On Monday, March 28, 2022 at 10:19:48 AM UTC-5 Graham McCall wrote:
>
>> I'm located in Minneapolis MN.
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 12, 2020 at 2:21:25 PM UTC-6 mrg...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Graham
>>>
>>> Where are you located? Maybe someone on the list has some you can test 
>>> ride.
>>>
>>> In any case, Homer all the way. It's the sprightly-est. I've owned 
>>> several Rivs and I'm keeping my Homer w/Albatross forever.
>>>
>>> Mike in Austin 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, February 11, 2020 at 8:58:33 AM UTC-6, Graham McCall wrote:

 I’m currently trying to decide what Riv to buy for a general around 
 town city build. Plan would be upright bars, front rack and dynamo build. 

 I’d like something that isn’t specifically designed around carrying a 
 ton of stuff. I’d prefer something fun to ride then be built to carry the 
 kitchen sink. 

 What frames have people built up this way that feel great? 

 I was thinking a Joe, Homer, etc. I also love the Clem, but haven’t 
 ridden any Riv. 

 Thanks!
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Help me buy a Riv

[Vince Allmaras]

Hey Graham, 

I am in Falcon Heights and have an older Joe. Its a double top tub 58. I am 
guessing it will ride similar to the newer models however. Let me know if 
you want to give it a spin. 

Thanks, 
Vince

On Monday, March 28, 2022 at 10:19:48 AM UTC-5 Graham McCall wrote:

> I'm located in Minneapolis MN.
>
>
> On Wednesday, February 12, 2020 at 2:21:25 PM UTC-6 mrg...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Graham
>>
>> Where are you located? Maybe someone on the list has some you can test 
>> ride.
>>
>> In any case, Homer all the way. It's the sprightly-est. I've owned 
>> several Rivs and I'm keeping my Homer w/Albatross forever.
>>
>> Mike in Austin 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 11, 2020 at 8:58:33 AM UTC-6, Graham McCall wrote:
>>>
>>> I’m currently trying to decide what Riv to buy for a general around town 
>>> city build. Plan would be upright bars, front rack and dynamo build. 
>>>
>>> I’d like something that isn’t specifically designed around carrying a 
>>> ton of stuff. I’d prefer something fun to ride then be built to carry the 
>>> kitchen sink. 
>>>
>>> What frames have people built up this way that feel great? 
>>>
>>> I was thinking a Joe, Homer, etc. I also love the Clem, but haven’t 
>>> ridden any Riv. 
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Help me buy a Riv

[Graham McCall]

I'm located in Minneapolis MN.


On Wednesday, February 12, 2020 at 2:21:25 PM UTC-6 mrg...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi Graham
>
> Where are you located? Maybe someone on the list has some you can test 
> ride.
>
> In any case, Homer all the way. It's the sprightly-est. I've owned several 
> Rivs and I'm keeping my Homer w/Albatross forever.
>
> Mike in Austin 
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, February 11, 2020 at 8:58:33 AM UTC-6, Graham McCall wrote:
>>
>> I’m currently trying to decide what Riv to buy for a general around town 
>> city build. Plan would be upright bars, front rack and dynamo build. 
>>
>> I’d like something that isn’t specifically designed around carrying a ton 
>> of stuff. I’d prefer something fun to ride then be built to carry the 
>> kitchen sink. 
>>
>> What frames have people built up this way that feel great? 
>>
>> I was thinking a Joe, Homer, etc. I also love the Clem, but haven’t 
>> ridden any Riv. 
>>
>> Thanks!
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Help me buy a Riv

[Adam Leibow]

if you are prioritizing a city build, i'd go with the Homer or Sam. You 
don't need the meaty tires of the Atlantis/Cheviot/Joe, and if you do 
decide to do some offroad, the Homer & Sam are still great at it. The 
bigger-clearance'd, stouter-tubed Rivendells might become annoying if you 
are trying to zip through the city all the time. That said, they'd still be 
pretty darn fun. 


On Tuesday, February 11, 2020 at 6:58:33 AM UTC-8, Graham McCall wrote:
>
> I’m currently trying to decide what Riv to buy for a general around town 
> city build. Plan would be upright bars, front rack and dynamo build. 
>
> I’d like something that isn’t specifically designed around carrying a ton 
> of stuff. I’d prefer something fun to ride then be built to carry the 
> kitchen sink. 
>
> What frames have people built up this way that feel great? 
>
> I was thinking a Joe, Homer, etc. I also love the Clem, but haven’t ridden 
> any Riv. 
>
> Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: Help me buy a Riv

[Jason Fuller]

There was a Hillborne replacement hinted at a while ago on the Blahg (if I read 
into it right), still waiting for the unveiling of that bike but I'm betting it 
would be a great candidate depending on your patience 

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[RBW] Re: Help me buy a Riv

[Joe Bernard]

Hehe, Bike Snob has been to RBW and ridden some bikes. I know because he 
dropped me like a stone on a dirt trail at Mt. Diablo 

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[RBW] Re: Help me buy a Riv

[Mark Roland]

Wait. Is thisBike Snob incognito?

On Tuesday, February 11, 2020 at 9:58:33 AM UTC-5, Graham McCall wrote:
>
> I’m currently trying to decide what Riv to buy for a general around town 
> city build. Plan would be upright bars, front rack and dynamo build. 
>
> I’d like something that isn’t specifically designed around carrying a ton 
> of stuff. I’d prefer something fun to ride then be built to carry the 
> kitchen sink. 
>
> What frames have people built up this way that feel great? 
>
> I was thinking a Joe, Homer, etc. I also love the Clem, but haven’t ridden 
> any Riv. 
>
> Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: Help me buy a Riv

[Mike Packard]

Hi Graham

Where are you located? Maybe someone on the list has some you can test ride.

In any case, Homer all the way. It's the sprightly-est. I've owned several 
Rivs and I'm keeping my Homer w/Albatross forever.

Mike in Austin 



On Tuesday, February 11, 2020 at 8:58:33 AM UTC-6, Graham McCall wrote:
>
> I’m currently trying to decide what Riv to buy for a general around town 
> city build. Plan would be upright bars, front rack and dynamo build. 
>
> I’d like something that isn’t specifically designed around carrying a ton 
> of stuff. I’d prefer something fun to ride then be built to carry the 
> kitchen sink. 
>
> What frames have people built up this way that feel great? 
>
> I was thinking a Joe, Homer, etc. I also love the Clem, but haven’t ridden 
> any Riv. 
>
> Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: Help me buy a Riv

[Ed Carolipio]

A front rack with upright bars to me implies Appaloosa or Clem due to the 
sturdier front fork and longer reach. (I've owned both.) Prudent component 
selection will allow you to maintain that "fun" factor. Pick a Clem H if 
price is a driver; a Clem L if you want to experience the joy of step 
thrus; and the Joe if you want the beauty of a fully lugged frame.

--Ed C.

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[RBW] Re: Help me buy a Riv

[Roberta]

Also...

Testing the bikes help me decide on the Joe A.  So, if you can go to 
Rivendell or a dealer that has some built up, it'll be worth the trip, as 
masmojo suggested.  I drove to the dealer, planning on buying the Sam H., 
but after one lap around the parking log, I realized Joe A was the bike for 
me.  I had never ridden a Riv prior to trying them at the dealership.

Roberta

On Tuesday, February 11, 2020 at 7:59:36 PM UTC-5, Roberta wrote:
>
> I have a 51 cm Joe Appaloosa (2 3/4 years) and a 54.5 A Homer Hilsen (8 
> months).  83 PBH and they both fit me great.  
>
> Joe is my in city love--wider tires, great ride.  I don't worry while 
> riding in the poorly maintained potholed streets or hitting cracks in the 
> MUP pavements.  I ride the A Home Hilsen mostly on paved paths, but that's 
> because of the different locations each bike resides.   AHH is in the 
> suburbs.   There is a bit more stand over room on the Joe A, so if they 
> both lived at home and I were to ride in the city, that would be the one 
> I'd pick--better for quick jump off's, too.
>
> The Joe ride is plush and calming, but it can go fast.  The A Homer Hilsen 
> is spritely and more spirited. And, much lighter.I've ridden a Clem H 
> and it's closer to the Joe A in ride feel, if you want to save some $$.
>
> However, if I were to buy a bike today and if it would be primarily for 
> "general around town city build", I'd look at a Cheviot.  With a Chev, 
> you'd get a lighter bike than the Clem L, and the practical-ness of a step 
> through.  If you like pretty, there's a Betty Foy on the board for sale, 
> the forerunner of the Chev.
>
> Here's the good news:  there are no bad decisions.  They are all great 
> bikes.
>
> Roberta
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, February 11, 2020 at 9:58:33 AM UTC-5, Graham McCall wrote:
>>
>> I’m currently trying to decide what Riv to buy for a general around town 
>> city build. Plan would be upright bars, front rack and dynamo build. 
>>
>> I’d like something that isn’t specifically designed around carrying a ton 
>> of stuff. I’d prefer something fun to ride then be built to carry the 
>> kitchen sink. 
>>
>> What frames have people built up this way that feel great? 
>>
>> I was thinking a Joe, Homer, etc. I also love the Clem, but haven’t 
>> ridden any Riv. 
>>
>> Thanks!
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Help me buy a Riv

[Roberta]

I have a 51 cm Joe Appaloosa (2 3/4 years) and a 54.5 A Homer Hilsen (8 
months).  83 PBH and they both fit me great.  

Joe is my in city love--wider tires, great ride.  I don't worry while 
riding in the poorly maintained potholed streets or hitting cracks in the 
MUP pavements.  I ride the A Home Hilsen mostly on paved paths, but that's 
because of the different locations each bike resides.   AHH is in the 
suburbs.   There is a bit more stand over room on the Joe A, so if they 
both lived at home and I were to ride in the city, that would be the one 
I'd pick--better for quick jump off's, too.

The Joe ride is plush and calming, but it can go fast.  The A Homer Hilsen 
is spritely and more spirited. And, much lighter.I've ridden a Clem H 
and it's closer to the Joe A in ride feel, if you want to save some $$.

However, if I were to buy a bike today and if it would be primarily for 
"general around town city build", I'd look at a Cheviot.  With a Chev, 
you'd get a lighter bike than the Clem L, and the practical-ness of a step 
through.  If you like pretty, there's a Betty Foy on the board for sale, 
the forerunner of the Chev.

Here's the good news:  there are no bad decisions.  They are all great 
bikes.

Roberta



On Tuesday, February 11, 2020 at 9:58:33 AM UTC-5, Graham McCall wrote:
>
> I’m currently trying to decide what Riv to buy for a general around town 
> city build. Plan would be upright bars, front rack and dynamo build. 
>
> I’d like something that isn’t specifically designed around carrying a ton 
> of stuff. I’d prefer something fun to ride then be built to carry the 
> kitchen sink. 
>
> What frames have people built up this way that feel great? 
>
> I was thinking a Joe, Homer, etc. I also love the Clem, but haven’t ridden 
> any Riv. 
>
> Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: Help me buy a Riv

[j.schwartz]

sounds like you're describing a Hilsen or a Hillborne 

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[RBW] Re: Help me buy a Riv

[Shoji Takahashi]

Hi Graham,
I'd also consider the A. Homer Hilsen. I've had it set up in many different 
ways: Albatross, Moustache/Albastache, drop bars... presently wearing 
bullmoose. 

I have dynamo lights (rear secula on the chainstay; front IQ-X) and Mark's 
rack on front w/basket. It's a versatile bike, and great for general riding 
around. It's not as heavily built as and is faster than the Hunqapillar. 

Good luck!
shoji





On Tuesday, February 11, 2020 at 9:58:33 AM UTC-5, Graham McCall wrote:
>
> I’m currently trying to decide what Riv to buy for a general around town 
> city build. Plan would be upright bars, front rack and dynamo build. 
>
> I’d like something that isn’t specifically designed around carrying a ton 
> of stuff. I’d prefer something fun to ride then be built to carry the 
> kitchen sink. 
>
> What frames have people built up this way that feel great? 
>
> I was thinking a Joe, Homer, etc. I also love the Clem, but haven’t ridden 
> any Riv. 
>
> Thanks!

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