Re: [RBW] Re: Lower trail fork for Ram?

2014-10-30 Thread Don Compton
Patrick, If your customs are 73 sta, your Ram has a shallower sta. Have you tried moving the seat forward a little on the Ram? That could improve your feel on your Ram. Just a thought. Don On Tuesday, October 28, 2014 6:20:01 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote: Interesting thoughts. I can't answer

Re: [RBW] Re: Lower trail fork for Ram?

2014-10-30 Thread Patrick Moore
Saddle setback is a constant; it's the same on all my bikes. On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 7:15 PM, Don Compton dpco...@gmail.com wrote: Patrick, If your customs are 73 sta, your Ram has a shallower sta. Have you tried moving the seat forward a little on the Ram? That could improve your feel on

Re: [RBW] Re: Lower trail fork for Ram?

2014-10-30 Thread Patrick Moore
I meant to say that the Ram has a *shallower* st angle. On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 7:15 PM, Don Compton dpco...@gmail.com wrote: Patrick, If your customs are 73 sta, your Ram has a shallower sta. Have you tried moving the seat forward a little on the Ram? That could improve your feel on your

Re: [RBW] Re: Lower trail fork for Ram?

2014-10-29 Thread Patrick Moore
Joe (I think that's right): Thanks. I worry that while a fork with more rake will solve the wandering problem, it will also affect the turn in feeling that I like so much about the Rivendells I've ridden. I know that I didn't like the turn in feeling of the Kogswell Porteur I rode; as for the

[RBW] Re: Lower trail fork for Ram?

2014-10-28 Thread iamkeith
Could it be possible that the Ram wandering has more to do with a relatively short top tube length, than it does the fork rake/trail numbers? I found myself fighting the geometry a bit when I was getting mine dialed in. The short top tube, combined with a relaxed seat tube angle, *seems* to

Re: [RBW] Re: Lower trail fork for Ram?

2014-10-28 Thread Patrick Moore
Interesting thoughts. I can't answer your question, merely return my own thoughts. My Ram doesn't have a short tt; it's 57 c-c on a 58 c-c st (if memory serves). I have a 9 cm stem holding a 42 cm Noodle; the Noodle sweeps back, so the setup is much like the 8 cm stems on the other Rivs holding

Re: [RBW] Re: Lower trail fork for Ram?

2014-10-28 Thread Patrick Moore
Forgot to add one tidbit: that the Ram's saddle is pushed back to the same extent as on all my bikes, about 3 behind bb centerline. On a 73* bike, this is indeed slamming the Flite; but on the 72 Ram there is room to spare, though the saddle position is indeed rearward. On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at

Re: [RBW] Re: Lower trail fork for Ram?

2014-10-28 Thread 'Mojo' via RBW Owners Bunch
Patrick The handling symptoms you describe were what I was experiencing with a couple of high trail bikes that I use to carry loads, a Surly LHT (that is geometrically very similar to an Atlantis), and a Legolas. The LHT is my truck for camping, grocery shopping, and the like. The Legolas is

Re: [RBW] Re: Lower trail fork for Ram?

2014-10-28 Thread cyclotourist
What are his forks going for? On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 7:38 PM, 'Mojo' via RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com wrote: Patrick The handling symptoms you describe were what I was experiencing with a couple of high trail bikes that I use to carry loads, a Surly LHT (that is

Re: [RBW] Re: Lower trail fork for Ram?

2014-10-28 Thread 'Mojo' via RBW Owners Bunch
Pictures of the new forks LHT: https://www.flickr.com/photos/79695460@N00/11805914224/ Legolas: https://www.flickr.com/photos/79695460@N00/10828931806/ On Tuesday, October 28, 2014 8:38:46 PM UTC-6, Mojo wrote: Patrick The handling symptoms you describe were what I was experiencing with a

Re: [RBW] Re: Lower trail fork for Ram?

2014-10-28 Thread justinaugust
I emailed him - he said he's not making forks only right now. The RCOG just did a special batch order from Jeff Lyon for replacement forms from Jeff Lyon. You can see the pricing over there. -J -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch

Re: [RBW] Re: Lower trail fork for Ram?

2014-10-28 Thread cyclotourist
RCOG? On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 7:52 PM, justinaug...@gmail.com wrote: I emailed him - he said he's not making forks only right now. The RCOG just did a special batch order from Jeff Lyon for replacement forms from Jeff Lyon. You can see the pricing over there. -J -- You received this

Re: [RBW] Re: Lower trail fork for Ram?

2014-10-28 Thread Kieran J
The Rawland group On Tuesday, October 28, 2014 10:53:02 PM UTC-4, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: RCOG? On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 7:52 PM, justin...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: I emailed him - he said he's not making forks only right now. The RCOG just did a special batch order from Jeff

Re: [RBW] Re: Lower trail fork for Ram?

2014-10-28 Thread cyclotourist
O, that group... :-) I asked as I wouldn't mind putting a LT fork on my Quickbeam. It's employed as my errand/townie bike, and carries a front load most of the time during said duties. LT would probably be pretty nice on it, but I've survived the stock geometry so far :-) On Tue, Oct 28,

Re: [RBW] Re: Lower trail fork for Ram?

2014-10-28 Thread dougP
Mojo has nicely summed up my experience. I also had Tom Matchak make a fork for my Atlantis. My situation was the same: bit of wandering with front load but that's where I like my stuff. Wandering gone. I rode the bike for 6-7 years before changing the fork, so it wasn't a significant

Re: [RBW] Re: Lower trail fork for Ram?

2014-10-28 Thread James Warren
I'll only approve it if the paint match is PERFECT. (I hope this isn't referring to the orange one.) -Original Message- From: cyclotourist <cyclotour...@gmail.com>Sent: Oct 28, 2014 8:55 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch <RBW-OWNERS-BUNCH@GOOGLEGROUPS.COM>Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Lowe

Re: [RBW] Re: Lower trail fork for Ram?

2014-10-28 Thread cyclotourist
- From: cyclotourist Sent: Oct 28, 2014 8:55 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Lower trail fork for Ram? O, that group... :-) I asked as I wouldn't mind putting a LT fork on my Quickbeam. It's employed as my errand/townie bike, and carries a front load most of the time