Re: [RBW] Re: More jewelry from Nitto

2014-06-06 Thread Evan Baird
Speaking of self promotion, have y'all heard of these? http://www.bgcycles.com/rock-n-road-tire.html On Thursday, June 5, 2014 4:34:07 PM UTC-7, ken.m...@gmail.com wrote: Hey guys this kind of talk is supposed to happen in February. On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 3:27 PM, Steve Palincsar

Re: [RBW] Re: More jewelry from Nitto

2014-06-05 Thread Matthew J
The problem with nylon, or using the King / Nitto without straps as a fancy half clip, is the rider can flatten rather than get the foot into them when accelerating from a stand still such as from a traffic signal. The BG half clips especially paired with White platforms but also on such

Re: [RBW] Re: More jewelry from Nitto

2014-06-05 Thread Jim Bronson
On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 8:51 AM, Matthew J matthewj...@gmail.com wrote: The problem with nylon, or using the King / Nitto without straps as a fancy half clip, is the rider can flatten rather than get the foot into them when accelerating from a stand still such as from a traffic signal. I rode

Re: [RBW] Re: More jewelry from Nitto

2014-06-05 Thread Matthew J
I rode toeclips for 15+ years and I don't have problems with flattening the cage. So I think it's a matter of what you are accustomed to and proficient with. I see people struggling to get into clip-ins all the time, so I don't think it's that different. My reference above is to using

Re: [RBW] Re: More jewelry from Nitto

2014-06-05 Thread Christopher Murray
Umm, are you fucking kidding me? Is this really appropriate? One of the reasons I follow this group is the respect that posters show other posters. I just don't see a need for this (never mind you are talking to Bruce Gordon who love him or hate him is an important person in American

Re: [RBW] Re: More jewelry from Nitto

2014-06-05 Thread Evan Baird
Maybe I just don't get how capitalism works, but the way I understand it is if you make a commodity and supply is outpaced by demand then other suppliers enter the market and stimulate competition. You can either increase production and compete on volume or raise your prices and hope that your

Re: [RBW] Re: More jewelry from Nitto

2014-06-05 Thread Peter Morgano
I dunno, this seems personal now. Maybe take this issue off-list. On Jun 5, 2014 11:24 AM, Evan Baird vanster...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe I just don't get how capitalism works, but the way I understand it is if you make a commodity and supply is outpaced by demand then other suppliers enter the

Re: [RBW] Re: More jewelry from Nitto

2014-06-05 Thread Joe Bunik
Wait, is this about toe cages or something else? Has Ron/King Cage not been able to keep pace with market demand? He (KC) is an admirable source for very specific, handmade USA accessories and is just the sort of small business I hate to see undermined (even by Nitto)... not that it hasn't

Re: [RBW] Re: More jewelry from Nitto

2014-06-05 Thread Joe Bernard
Evan wins the coveted I was mean to Bruce Gordon button. On Thursday, June 5, 2014 8:42:50 AM UTC-7, jbu...@gmail.com wrote: Wait, is this about toe cages or something else? Has Ron/King Cage not been able to keep pace with market demand? He (KC) is an admirable source for very specific,

Re: [RBW] Re: More jewelry from Nitto

2014-06-05 Thread Matthew J
Wait, is this about toe cages or something else? Has Ron/King Cage not been able to keep pace with market demand? He (KC) is an admirable source for very specific, handmade USA accessories and is just the sort of small business I hate to see undermined (even by Nitto)... not that it

Re: [RBW] Re: More jewelry from Nitto

2014-06-05 Thread Evan Baird
All my hopes dreams are fulfilled! On Thursday, June 5, 2014 9:56:53 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote: Evan wins the coveted I was mean to Bruce Gordon button. On Thursday, June 5, 2014 8:42:50 AM UTC-7, jbu...@gmail.com wrote: Wait, is this about toe cages or something else? Has Ron/King Cage

Re: [RBW] Re: More jewelry from Nitto

2014-06-05 Thread Peter Morgano
How small and sad a victory. On Jun 5, 2014 1:06 PM, Evan Baird vanster...@gmail.com wrote: All my hopes dreams are fulfilled! On Thursday, June 5, 2014 9:56:53 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote: Evan wins the coveted I was mean to Bruce Gordon button. On Thursday, June 5, 2014 8:42:50 AM UTC-7,

Re: [RBW] Re: More jewelry from Nitto

2014-06-05 Thread Evan Baird
Being this cranky requires years of dedication and practice. I'm still new at it. On Thursday, June 5, 2014 10:07:22 AM UTC-7, Peter M wrote: How small and sad a victory. On Jun 5, 2014 1:06 PM, Evan Baird vanst...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: All my hopes dreams are fulfilled! On

Re: [RBW] Re: More jewelry from Nitto

2014-06-05 Thread Bruce Gordon
Dear Evan and All Who have been following this thread, You said being cranky requires years of dedication and practice, and that you are new at it. I'd say you are pretty good at it already. My question for you is do you work in the bike biz??? Who do you work for??? Regards, Bruce Gordon

Re: [RBW] Re: More jewelry from Nitto

2014-06-05 Thread Evan Baird
That is quite an endorsement. http://about.me/evanbaird/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To

Re: [RBW] Re: More jewelry from Nitto

2014-06-05 Thread Matthew J
My question for you is do you work in the bike biz??? I do not work in the bike business. But having bought four steel and one Ti Bruce Gordon half clips over the years I think I am qualified to say they are very good! On Thursday, June 5, 2014 1:13:46 PM UTC-5, bgcycles wrote: Dear Evan

Re: [RBW] Re: More jewelry from Nitto

2014-06-05 Thread Evan Baird
No question about it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to

Re: [RBW] Re: More jewelry from Nitto

2014-06-05 Thread Peter Morgano
So you work at Merry sales and Interloc, then this is some personal thing and doesn't belong on the group feed, IMO. On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 2:57 PM, Matthew J matthewj...@gmail.com wrote: My question for you is do you work in the bike biz??? I do not work in the bike business. But having

Re: [RBW] Re: More jewelry from Nitto

2014-06-05 Thread Evan Baird
I agree. Keep your personal gripes to yourself. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this

Re: [RBW] Re: More jewelry from Nitto

2014-06-05 Thread Peter Morgano
Nice attitude, luckily how you act doesn't reflect on your brand, oh wait. On Jun 5, 2014 3:14 PM, Evan Baird vanster...@gmail.com wrote: I agree. Keep your personal gripes to yourself. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To

Re: [RBW] Re: More jewelry from Nitto

2014-06-05 Thread David Yu Greenblatt
Obviously Evan is campaigning to win Soma/Merry Sales a coveted SOPWAMTOS Golden Toidy Award. Grant of Rivendell won one in 2005, so this thread remains On Topic. On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 12:24 PM, Peter Morgano uscpeter11...@gmail.com wrote: Nice attitude, luckily how you act doesn't reflect on

Re: [RBW] Re: More jewelry from Nitto

2014-06-05 Thread Christopher Murray
I may or may not work in the bike industry- I hardly see how that is relevant here. My point was that we should be respectful. I don't think that is unreasonable. Cheers! Chris -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To

Re: [RBW] Re: More jewelry from Nitto

2014-06-05 Thread Evan Baird
Just for the record, I only ride Gripkings. Toe clips are strictly for suckers who want to break their ankles. On Thursday, June 5, 2014 12:39:03 PM UTC-7, David G wrote: Obviously Evan is campaigning to win Soma/Merry Sales a coveted SOPWAMTOS Golden Toidy Award. Grant of Rivendell won

Re: [RBW] Re: More jewelry from Nitto

2014-06-05 Thread Matthew J
That is quite an endorsement. http://about.me/evanbaird/ http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fabout.me%2Fevanbaird%2Fsa=Dsntz=1usg=AFQjCNFDbpDUNN6SlVPC1tYOuGvAV22XSw Based on my experience with IRD freewheels, not sure I would claim an association with them as bicycle props. -- You

Re: [RBW] Re: More jewelry from Nitto

2014-06-05 Thread Evan Baird
Haha fair point. I meant this part. You said being cranky requires years of dedication and practice, and that you are new at it. I’d say you are pretty good at it already. On Thursday, June 5, 2014 1:41:38 PM UTC-7, Matthew J wrote: That is quite an endorsement. http://about.me/evanbaird/

Re: [RBW] Re: More jewelry from Nitto

2014-06-05 Thread Joe Bernard
Haha BG's original point is that Nitto's product is a direct copy of one from a small US shop which is still in production. He's right. On Thursday, June 5, 2014 1:44:49 PM UTC-7, Evan Baird wrote: Haha fair point. I meant this part. You said being cranky requires years of dedication and

Re: [RBW] Re: More jewelry from Nitto

2014-06-05 Thread Evan Baird
http://www.artofthestate.co.uk/photos/banksy_museum_picasso.jpg On Thursday, June 5, 2014 2:21:57 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote: Haha BG's original point is that Nitto's product is a direct copy of one from a small US shop which is still in production. He's right. On Thursday, June 5, 2014

Re: [RBW] Re: More jewelry from Nitto

2014-06-05 Thread Steve Palincsar
On 06/05/2014 02:55 PM, Evan Baird wrote: That is quite an endorsement. http://about.me/evanbaird/ or, as someone on this list used to say, Shameless self promotion? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from

Re: [RBW] Re: More jewelry from Nitto

2014-06-05 Thread Ken Mattina
Hey guys this kind of talk is supposed to happen in February. On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 3:27 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On 06/05/2014 02:55 PM, Evan Baird wrote: That is quite an endorsement. http://about.me/evanbaird/ or, as someone on this list used to say, Shameless

[RBW] Re: More jewelry from Nitto

2014-06-04 Thread Mike Schiller
... for most of the cycling world the toe clip is long dead. Either ride flats or clip in. Now that tire ... one of the best designs ever and still used by a wide variety of riders. ( not just retro-grouches) ~mike Carlsbad Ca. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to

[RBW] Re: More jewelry from Nitto

2014-06-04 Thread Matthew J
Either ride flats or clip in. Says you. I am a huge fan of Bruce Gordon half clips. They are on all of my bikes. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send

Re: [RBW] Re: More jewelry from Nitto

2014-06-04 Thread Dan McNamara
I love my BG half toe clips on White Industries pedals. On Jun 4, 2014, at 6:50 PM, Matthew J matthewj...@gmail.com wrote: Either ride flats or clip in. Says you. I am a huge fan of Bruce Gordon half clips. They are on all of my bikes. -- You received this message

Re: [RBW] Re: More jewelry from Nitto

2014-06-04 Thread Ron Mc
I think the BG half-clips really look fine, but my daughter rides half-clips on one bike and hers are nylon, we both ride Ale's on our go-fast bikes, and I ride Grip Kings on my utility bike. Maybe one day I'll have the bike for them. On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 9:10:40 PM UTC-5, danmc