If Grant responded easily to vogue pressure, we would have never heard of
him.
On Friday, July 28, 2017 at 7:49:57 PM UTC-4, Eamon Nordquist wrote:
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That was kind of my point. A well designed bike can made across a spectrum
of parameters, and a good designer designs for particular ride qualities.
Grant obviously has a signature feel to his bikes, and a certain amount of
trail is a part of that. Great bikes can obviously be made with high,
Between these two threads, i think the group might be zeroing in on what grant
is talking about, but i'm guessing that distribution of weight to the
handlebars is the bigger issue, and that front center measurement is only one
part of that equation... and that it is too simplistic to be the
I think the X-Sauce is front-center, too.
Grant has written several times about how you can't eliminate TCO on bikes
without affecting the handling. Basically, if you want the Riv ride, you
will have TCO in some size/tire/fender/feet situations. If you can't handle
TCO, you can't have the Riv
So as a Portland resident, what is this talk of moving to Silverton? On a
personal level I would love to be able to drive to the headquarters but there
is something to Rivendell and the Bay Area golden hills.
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I don't know what Riv's word is, but I think what's been suggested so far are
probably all aspects of a comprehensive X factor. Longer chain stays and lower
BBs have long been signature features of Riv frame geometry, and probably in
the service of whatever GP is hinting at. The whole "in the
There may be a lot of different ways, but I've owned/ridden a lot of bikes,
including 5 or 6 Rivendells, and there's something different/special about Riv
handling. Smooth, stable, yet still quick to turn..I don't know how Grant does
it, but it works.
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I would bet he is talking about chainstay length, or possibly it's
relationship to overall wheelbase along with front center. Chainstay length
is nearly as controversial with some people as trail.
Me, I think a good bike is a good bike. Some have more or less of one
parameter or another, but
Customs, IIRC, 57 but with upsloping tts. I may have lost a good
opportunity to keep a well fitting bike. But there were other things I
didn't like about the Sam, so, all in all, not a real loss to me. (If the
samecould have taken 50s with fenders, it would have been dreamy ...)
On Wed, Jul 26,
Since your Sam had a reach that was within a couple mm of your customs,
it's odd that you couldn't get it to fit, but water under the bridge. I
think your customs have a 56.5cm TT with a 73 degree STA. Your Sam had a
59cm TT, but with a 71.5 degree STA, you should have had your saddle an
Bill: Interesting; I'd like to hear more about f-c and how it affects
handling, if anyone has something to add.
About saddle position, top tube length, bar height, and, generally,
optimizing riding position on my erstwhile 56 cm Sam: I have long since
codified my
Patrick asked what parameter GP was referring to, over trail:
I suspect Grant may be referring to front center. I don't know for sure.
It's just a guess
Patrick, how did you position your saddle on the rails of your Hillborne?
Your Hillborne had a far slacker seat tube angle than any of
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