[RBW] Re: Rivs on the Great Divide, was Jamboree
Come on Doug it wasn't that consequential was it... ~Hugh On Thursday, August 1, 2013 5:10:59 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote: Isn't it called the Great Divide route because it closely follows the continental divide? As in, wayy up in the mountains? While I love my Atlantis, and have taken it some places it really wasn't meant to go, it seems this is a ride for which a purpose built MTB is more appropriate. I concur with Anne's comment about liking under-biking, but not that far under. Memories of gazing down the Abyss of Death on the Loch Leven ride are still fresh in mind. dougP On Thursday, August 1, 2013 1:29:21 PM UTC-7, Matt Beebe wrote: I have ridden the northern part of the divide, using 40mm tires fully loaded on a regular touring bike, and I would definitely not hesitate to do it on an Atlantis.Parts of it were gnarly, but they were not that long and were actually kind of fun.I found that those washboard roads go from nightmare to completely doable if you drop your tire pressure to juuust the right amount. It was really surprising what a difference it makes. On Thursday, August 1, 2013 12:21:33 PM UTC-4, Anne Paulson wrote: I've been thinking about riding the Great Divide. But I'd need a lot of persuading to know why I would want to use one of my Atlanti instead of a bike with a front suspension and disk brakes. I've heard a lot about washboards; would a big soft tire really be enough cushioning? On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Jim M. math...@gmail.com wrote: How about a Riv tour down the Great Divide bike route? Mixed terrain, self-supported, and a rider could choose a particular part or the whole route. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Rivs on the Great Divide, was Jamboree
Yes the Hungapillar would do nicely. ~Hugh On Thursday, August 1, 2013 5:14:09 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote: Quick afterthought: Jim's Hunqapillar is shod with 55 mm Big Bens looks to have some clearance. Maybe a Hunq w/ginormous knobbies? dougP On Thursday, August 1, 2013 5:10:59 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote: Isn't it called the Great Divide route because it closely follows the continental divide? As in, wayy up in the mountains? While I love my Atlantis, and have taken it some places it really wasn't meant to go, it seems this is a ride for which a purpose built MTB is more appropriate. I concur with Anne's comment about liking under-biking, but not that far under. Memories of gazing down the Abyss of Death on the Loch Leven ride are still fresh in mind. dougP On Thursday, August 1, 2013 1:29:21 PM UTC-7, Matt Beebe wrote: I have ridden the northern part of the divide, using 40mm tires fully loaded on a regular touring bike, and I would definitely not hesitate to do it on an Atlantis.Parts of it were gnarly, but they were not that long and were actually kind of fun.I found that those washboard roads go from nightmare to completely doable if you drop your tire pressure to juuust the right amount. It was really surprising what a difference it makes. On Thursday, August 1, 2013 12:21:33 PM UTC-4, Anne Paulson wrote: I've been thinking about riding the Great Divide. But I'd need a lot of persuading to know why I would want to use one of my Atlanti instead of a bike with a front suspension and disk brakes. I've heard a lot about washboards; would a big soft tire really be enough cushioning? On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Jim M. math...@gmail.com wrote: How about a Riv tour down the Great Divide bike route? Mixed terrain, self-supported, and a rider could choose a particular part or the whole route. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Rivs on the Great Divide, was Jamboree
Mike, That ECR looks interesting. You may have stumbled me into another bike, as I was thinking of building up my old Salsa or Trek 850 into a strictly bike-camping rig but knowing Surly it would probably be easier to just plunk down the cash for this beasty. ~Hugh -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Rivs on the Great Divide, was Jamboree
we all like to have a good time and be safe, but you chose your Roadeo over your Atlantis on the Sierra to the Sea ride because it was more appropriate for that ride. Call it what you want.. to me that was to improve your riding efficiency. it's about picking the right bike/tires/gear for a particular ride. You wouldn't pick your Roadeo to do the Great Divide as you would spend a lot of time pushing to be safe and probably not have a good time. ~mike On Thursday, August 1, 2013 10:06:31 PM UTC-7, Anne Paulson wrote: When I'm touring, I don't place a high value on improving efficiency. Actually, I don't place a high value on improving efficiency in any of my riding: I want to be comfortable and safe and have a good time. I like to beat people up to the top of the hill, but I like a lot of other things about riding too. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Rivs on the Great Divide, was Jamboree
Patrick, of course it will improve your climbing speed to take a few pounds off your wheels. The fatter tires might be a little more fun going down though. You have to pick the right tire for the whole route. The Furious Fred's are super light... 360gms for a 29er tire!. Kinda like Challenge Paris-Roubaix's. Unless your paycheck was dependent on winning, I'd go with something a little heavier and more durable. The Racing Ralphs are a great tire and a little more durable still with supple sidewalls. On Thursday, August 1, 2013 10:16:59 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote: Mike: an aside: after grunting my 35 lb Fargo with hugely heavy (800 gr rims and tires) up 17 miles of gravel climb last week, I have decided to equip the much lighter Rhyno Lite wheelset with sub 600 gram knobbies and save the other set for local sand. From your experience, will taking, say, a pound off the circumference of each wheel (rims and tires and tubes) make a noticeable difference in climbing effort? I know that my brother, with remarkably light 26 wheels on hisery light v ti rigid 26er (quite possibly they were lighter than the road wheels for the same bike, with Performance 35s and less exalted rims) just left me standing on the climb, and I'd like to know that it wasn't simply climbing ability. I am very, very tempted by those 450 gram Schwalbes -- Furious Freds? -- that someone remarked available from a British supplier for about $100 shipped, but I am waiting to hear from someone about a trade for something possibly suitable, if not as light. On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 10:26 PM, Mike Schiller mikey...@rocketmail.comjavascript: wrote: There are a lot of long dirt road sections, so improving efficiency is more about completing your planned route than overall speed. While I'm not suggesting adopting a racing focus, optimizing your bike and gear to increase how much fun you have along the way. But... we all have different skill levels. I raced mountain bikes for many years so that drives my opinions. Then again I'm seriously thinking about getting the new Surly ECR. A backpacking/touring rig using 29 x 3.0 tires. ~mike On Thursday, August 1, 2013 8:31:03 PM UTC-7, Anne Paulson wrote: Wait... am I on the Riv list? Am I seeing an appeal to what racers use? Am I seeing claims that a certain tire would slow me down? I'll tell you what would slow me down. Crashing and breaking a bone out in the middle of nowhere, that's what. On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 6:58 PM, Mike Schiller mikey...@rocketmail.com wrote: Hey Doug, most of the guys/gals who race it ( GD race) use fairly skinny knobbies for MTB's The most common tires WTB's Nano raptor and the Conti Race Kings only measure about 50mm wide. Sure a big fat knobby would help but it does slow you down a bit, even for unracers. ~mike On Thursday, August 1, 2013 5:14:09 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote: Quick afterthought: Jim's Hunqapillar is shod with 55 mm Big Bens looks to have some clearance. Maybe a Hunq w/ginormous knobbies? dougP On Thursday, August 1, 2013 5:10:59 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote: Isn't it called the Great Divide route because it closely follows the continental divide? As in, wayy up in the mountains? While I love my Atlantis, and have taken it some places it really wasn't meant to go, it seems this is a ride for which a purpose built MTB is more appropriate. I concur with Anne's comment about liking under-biking, but not that far under. Memories of gazing down the Abyss of Death on the Loch Leven ride are still fresh in mind. dougP On Thursday, August 1, 2013 1:29:21 PM UTC-7, Matt Beebe wrote: I have ridden the northern part of the divide, using 40mm tires fully loaded on a regular touring bike, and I would definitely not hesitate to do it on an Atlantis.Parts of it were gnarly, but they were not that long and were actually kind of fun.I found that those washboard roads go from nightmare to completely doable if you drop your tire pressure to juuust the right amount. It was really surprising what a difference it makes. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@**googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.**com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/**group/rbw-owners-bunchhttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/**groups/opt_outhttps://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To
[RBW] Re: Rivs on the Great Divide, was Jamboree
The need for tech on any trail is greatly exaggerated. My under biked Hunqapillar (50mm duremes w/ fenders) and loaded for 10 days (no stopping to get food, but we pruified water) handled 99% of what others on the latest/greatest MTBs with fat knobbies and no load could ride. They had to LCG (lowest common gear, aka hike-a-bike) in the babyhead loose dirtbike stuff too. That was 2 sections of the CT, including what I've since learned is the worst section for loose babyhead (5 miles, 70% uphill). Can the tires absorb all the bumps? Absolutely not. That's why God gave you elbows and knees. You'll learn to pedal uphill standing as the bike bounces beneath you and your knees and elbows absorb 18 of travel on demand (same for downhill, but it's easy since you just have to brake, not pedal). There is a rhythm to it. Most washboard is avoidable/minimized by simply picking your line well. The GDMBT is mostly fairly remote dirt road. I personally think knobbies are overkill (I've ridden the Southern half of the Colorado portion of the trail.). The Colorado Trail was much more demanding and I still rode most of what anyone else did (riders of the whole thing say 1/3 of it is LCG). You and your Atlantis will do just fine and have a wondrous trip. With abandon, Patrick On Thursday, August 1, 2013 10:21:33 AM UTC-6, Anne Paulson wrote: I've been thinking about riding the Great Divide. But I'd need a lot of persuading to know why I would want to use one of my Atlanti instead of a bike with a front suspension and disk brakes. I've heard a lot about washboards; would a big soft tire really be enough cushioning? On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Jim M. math...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: How about a Riv tour down the Great Divide bike route? Mixed terrain, self-supported, and a rider could choose a particular part or the whole route. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Rivs on the Great Divide, was Jamboree
From what I hear, in the New Mexico portions of the trail, washboarding can't be avoided by picking a good line. At least, people riding the New Mexico section, people who were tired of day after day of washboard and had every incentive to avoid washboards, report they were unable to do so. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Rivs on the Great Divide, was Jamboree
Absolutely. Sorry, didn't mean to give the impression that worked on the whole route. But that's a relatively small section of the route as well, and the travel of most shocks is 3-4. That ain't gonna help much and you're still gonna have to stand. That's my take on it. With abandon, Patrick On Friday, August 2, 2013 11:50:43 AM UTC-6, Anne Paulson wrote: From what I hear, in the New Mexico portions of the trail, washboarding can't be avoided by picking a good line. At least, people riding the New Mexico section, people who were tired of day after day of washboard and had every incentive to avoid washboards, report they were unable to do so. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Rivs on the Great Divide, was Jamboree
An Adventure Cycling staff member said during one of the nightly map meetings last year that the Great Divide route stays within 50 miles of the Continental Divide. The actual Continental Divide is mostly wilderness where bikes are not allowed. The Montana piece we rode varied in elevation 3,000 - 4,570 feet. Here's a 18 sec video I took ~Tony http://www.flickr.com/photos/51959000@N08/7635357482/ Where the rivers change direction, across the Great Divide. _Kate Wolf On Thursday, August 1, 2013 5:10:59 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote: Isn't it called the Great Divide route because it closely follows the continental divide? As in, wayy up in the mountains? While I love my Atlantis, and have taken it some places it really wasn't meant to go, it seems this is a ride for which a purpose built MTB is more appropriate. I concur with Anne's comment about liking under-biking, but not that far under. Memories of gazing down the Abyss of Death on the Loch Leven ride are still fresh in mind. dougP On Thursday, August 1, 2013 1:29:21 PM UTC-7, Matt Beebe wrote: I have ridden the northern part of the divide, using 40mm tires fully loaded on a regular touring bike, and I would definitely not hesitate to do it on an Atlantis.Parts of it were gnarly, but they were not that long and were actually kind of fun.I found that those washboard roads go from nightmare to completely doable if you drop your tire pressure to juuust the right amount. It was really surprising what a difference it makes. On Thursday, August 1, 2013 12:21:33 PM UTC-4, Anne Paulson wrote: I've been thinking about riding the Great Divide. But I'd need a lot of persuading to know why I would want to use one of my Atlanti instead of a bike with a front suspension and disk brakes. I've heard a lot about washboards; would a big soft tire really be enough cushioning? On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Jim M. math...@gmail.com wrote: How about a Riv tour down the Great Divide bike route? Mixed terrain, self-supported, and a rider could choose a particular part or the whole route. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Rivs on the Great Divide, was Jamboree
I rode Banff to Whitefish on the Great Divide last year. Beautiful territory with some steep hills! I rode my Bridgestone XO-3 with 1.7 inch knobbies and had no problems. And V-brakes were fine. I even think my touring bike with 37's would have been fine for 98% of the trail. That said, I'll probably go with my 29er next time. Ray in CT -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Rivs on the Great Divide, was Jamboree
Exactly. The Great Divide MTB Trail criss-crosses the Continental Divide as it zippers it's way down it. The highest point is around 12,700, with most point rather below that. It's an arduous trail, but as near as I can tell from my own experience, the requirement for suspension is the same as the requirement for synthetic clothing, racing bikes with minimal tire clearances, spandex anything, etc. With abandon, Patrick On Friday, August 2, 2013 3:57:19 PM UTC-6, Tony wrote: An Adventure Cycling staff member said during one of the nightly map meetings last year that the Great Divide route stays within 50 miles of the Continental Divide. The actual Continental Divide is mostly wilderness where bikes are not allowed. The Montana piece we rode varied in elevation 3,000 - 4,570 feet. Here's a 18 sec video I took ~Tony http://www.flickr.com/photos/51959000@N08/7635357482/ Where the rivers change direction, across the Great Divide. _Kate Wolf On Thursday, August 1, 2013 5:10:59 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote: Isn't it called the Great Divide route because it closely follows the continental divide? As in, wayy up in the mountains? While I love my Atlantis, and have taken it some places it really wasn't meant to go, it seems this is a ride for which a purpose built MTB is more appropriate. I concur with Anne's comment about liking under-biking, but not that far under. Memories of gazing down the Abyss of Death on the Loch Leven ride are still fresh in mind. dougP On Thursday, August 1, 2013 1:29:21 PM UTC-7, Matt Beebe wrote: I have ridden the northern part of the divide, using 40mm tires fully loaded on a regular touring bike, and I would definitely not hesitate to do it on an Atlantis.Parts of it were gnarly, but they were not that long and were actually kind of fun.I found that those washboard roads go from nightmare to completely doable if you drop your tire pressure to juuust the right amount. It was really surprising what a difference it makes. On Thursday, August 1, 2013 12:21:33 PM UTC-4, Anne Paulson wrote: I've been thinking about riding the Great Divide. But I'd need a lot of persuading to know why I would want to use one of my Atlanti instead of a bike with a front suspension and disk brakes. I've heard a lot about washboards; would a big soft tire really be enough cushioning? On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Jim M. math...@gmail.com wrote: How about a Riv tour down the Great Divide bike route? Mixed terrain, self-supported, and a rider could choose a particular part or the whole route. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Rivs on the Great Divide, was Jamboree
I'd love to ride the Great Divide. Not sure you need suspension/discs but 2 wide knobby tires would make it a lot more enjoyable. The whole thing is a big chunk to bite off but a 1 week section could be really fun. ~mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Rivs on the Great Divide, was Jamboree
Is a 2 knobby two inches including knobs? Or is a 2 knobby a 2 tire and then knobs put on? On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 9:42 AM, Mike Schiller mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote: I'd love to ride the Great Divide. Not sure you need suspension/discs but 2 wide knobby tires would make it a lot more enjoyable. The whole thing is a big chunk to bite off but a 1 week section could be really fun. ~mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Rivs on the Great Divide, was Jamboree
a few mm isn't that big a deal if you are on something close. I'd choose the widest tire you can fit with room for mud. ~mike On Thursday, August 1, 2013 9:44:35 AM UTC-7, Anne Paulson wrote: Is a 2 knobby two inches including knobs? Or is a 2 knobby a 2 tire and then knobs put on? On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 9:42 AM, Mike Schiller mikey...@rocketmail.comjavascript: wrote: I'd love to ride the Great Divide. Not sure you need suspension/discs but 2 wide knobby tires would make it a lot more enjoyable. The whole thing is a big chunk to bite off but a 1 week section could be really fun. ~mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Rivs on the Great Divide, was Jamboree
I rode a bunch of the Montana section last year on my Disc Trucker with 26x2 Schwalbe Mondial tires. Some of it was pretty arduous, with rocks the size of baby heads nested in a bed of loose sandy stuff (mostly accumulated at the bottoms of big hills). It was doable for me, but I think a 2.3 tire would have floated better over the loose stuff. On Thursday, August 1, 2013 11:21:33 AM UTC-5, Anne Paulson wrote: I've been thinking about riding the Great Divide. But I'd need a lot of persuading to know why I would want to use one of my Atlanti instead of a bike with a front suspension and disk brakes. I've heard a lot about washboards; would a big soft tire really be enough cushioning? On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Jim M. math...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: How about a Riv tour down the Great Divide bike route? Mixed terrain, self-supported, and a rider could choose a particular part or the whole route. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Rivs on the Great Divide, was Jamboree
Babyhead rocks, and sand, and steep hills? The Defense of 2.3 Knobbies and Disk Brakes rests, your honor. I like underbiking, but not that far under. On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 12:46 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: I rode a bunch of the Montana section last year on my Disc Trucker with 26x2 Schwalbe Mondial tires. Some of it was pretty arduous, with rocks the size of baby heads nested in a bed of loose sandy stuff (mostly accumulated at the bottoms of big hills). It was doable for me, but I think a 2.3 tire would have floated better over the loose stuff. On Thursday, August 1, 2013 11:21:33 AM UTC-5, Anne Paulson wrote: I've been thinking about riding the Great Divide. But I'd need a lot of persuading to know why I would want to use one of my Atlanti instead of a bike with a front suspension and disk brakes. I've heard a lot about washboards; would a big soft tire really be enough cushioning? On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Jim M. math...@gmail.com wrote: How about a Riv tour down the Great Divide bike route? Mixed terrain, self-supported, and a rider could choose a particular part or the whole route. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Rivs on the Great Divide, was Jamboree
I have ridden the northern part of the divide, using 40mm tires fully loaded on a regular touring bike, and I would definitely not hesitate to do it on an Atlantis.Parts of it were gnarly, but they were not that long and were actually kind of fun.I found that those washboard roads go from nightmare to completely doable if you drop your tire pressure to juuust the right amount. It was really surprising what a difference it makes. On Thursday, August 1, 2013 12:21:33 PM UTC-4, Anne Paulson wrote: I've been thinking about riding the Great Divide. But I'd need a lot of persuading to know why I would want to use one of my Atlanti instead of a bike with a front suspension and disk brakes. I've heard a lot about washboards; would a big soft tire really be enough cushioning? On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Jim M. math...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: How about a Riv tour down the Great Divide bike route? Mixed terrain, self-supported, and a rider could choose a particular part or the whole route. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Rivs on the Great Divide, was Jamboree
Isn't it called the Great Divide route because it closely follows the continental divide? As in, wayy up in the mountains? While I love my Atlantis, and have taken it some places it really wasn't meant to go, it seems this is a ride for which a purpose built MTB is more appropriate. I concur with Anne's comment about liking under-biking, but not that far under. Memories of gazing down the Abyss of Death on the Loch Leven ride are still fresh in mind. dougP On Thursday, August 1, 2013 1:29:21 PM UTC-7, Matt Beebe wrote: I have ridden the northern part of the divide, using 40mm tires fully loaded on a regular touring bike, and I would definitely not hesitate to do it on an Atlantis.Parts of it were gnarly, but they were not that long and were actually kind of fun.I found that those washboard roads go from nightmare to completely doable if you drop your tire pressure to juuust the right amount. It was really surprising what a difference it makes. On Thursday, August 1, 2013 12:21:33 PM UTC-4, Anne Paulson wrote: I've been thinking about riding the Great Divide. But I'd need a lot of persuading to know why I would want to use one of my Atlanti instead of a bike with a front suspension and disk brakes. I've heard a lot about washboards; would a big soft tire really be enough cushioning? On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Jim M. math...@gmail.com wrote: How about a Riv tour down the Great Divide bike route? Mixed terrain, self-supported, and a rider could choose a particular part or the whole route. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Rivs on the Great Divide, was Jamboree
Quick afterthought: Jim's Hunqapillar is shod with 55 mm Big Bens looks to have some clearance. Maybe a Hunq w/ginormous knobbies? dougP On Thursday, August 1, 2013 5:10:59 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote: Isn't it called the Great Divide route because it closely follows the continental divide? As in, wayy up in the mountains? While I love my Atlantis, and have taken it some places it really wasn't meant to go, it seems this is a ride for which a purpose built MTB is more appropriate. I concur with Anne's comment about liking under-biking, but not that far under. Memories of gazing down the Abyss of Death on the Loch Leven ride are still fresh in mind. dougP On Thursday, August 1, 2013 1:29:21 PM UTC-7, Matt Beebe wrote: I have ridden the northern part of the divide, using 40mm tires fully loaded on a regular touring bike, and I would definitely not hesitate to do it on an Atlantis.Parts of it were gnarly, but they were not that long and were actually kind of fun.I found that those washboard roads go from nightmare to completely doable if you drop your tire pressure to juuust the right amount. It was really surprising what a difference it makes. On Thursday, August 1, 2013 12:21:33 PM UTC-4, Anne Paulson wrote: I've been thinking about riding the Great Divide. But I'd need a lot of persuading to know why I would want to use one of my Atlanti instead of a bike with a front suspension and disk brakes. I've heard a lot about washboards; would a big soft tire really be enough cushioning? On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Jim M. math...@gmail.com wrote: How about a Riv tour down the Great Divide bike route? Mixed terrain, self-supported, and a rider could choose a particular part or the whole route. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Rivs on the Great Divide, was Jamboree
My Hunq serves as a rigid 29er when it has the Big Bens. So I'd advise that if one is confident on any 2.2ish mountain bike for a given terrain, then similar confidence would ensue on the Hunq. Given that, you then reap all the benefits of a top-notch touring bike. Great bike! Keep in mind, I haven't concluded that I would do the Divide on the Hunq. I'm just saying that the Hunq is at least as good as any rigid mountain bike. No disc brakes true, but put some nice V's on it, and the braking will be great. That I do know from V-braking it on my loaded Atlantis on the steep Shafter Grade in Marin County. No problems there and that was just with knobby 40's. -Jim W. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 1, 2013, at 5:14 PM, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote: Quick afterthought: Jim's Hunqapillar is shod with 55 mm Big Bens looks to have some clearance. Maybe a Hunq w/ginormous knobbies? dougP On Thursday, August 1, 2013 5:10:59 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote: Isn't it called the Great Divide route because it closely follows the continental divide? As in, wayy up in the mountains? While I love my Atlantis, and have taken it some places it really wasn't meant to go, it seems this is a ride for which a purpose built MTB is more appropriate. I concur with Anne's comment about liking under-biking, but not that far under. Memories of gazing down the Abyss of Death on the Loch Leven ride are still fresh in mind. dougP On Thursday, August 1, 2013 1:29:21 PM UTC-7, Matt Beebe wrote: I have ridden the northern part of the divide, using 40mm tires fully loaded on a regular touring bike, and I would definitely not hesitate to do it on an Atlantis.Parts of it were gnarly, but they were not that long and were actually kind of fun.I found that those washboard roads go from nightmare to completely doable if you drop your tire pressure to juuust the right amount. It was really surprising what a difference it makes. On Thursday, August 1, 2013 12:21:33 PM UTC-4, Anne Paulson wrote: I've been thinking about riding the Great Divide. But I'd need a lot of persuading to know why I would want to use one of my Atlanti instead of a bike with a front suspension and disk brakes. I've heard a lot about washboards; would a big soft tire really be enough cushioning? On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Jim M. math...@gmail.com wrote: How about a Riv tour down the Great Divide bike route? Mixed terrain, self-supported, and a rider could choose a particular part or the whole route. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Rivs on the Great Divide, was Jamboree
Just out of curiosity, Anne, have you found out if your Atlantis, can take the Big Bens in 55? Sent from my iPhone On Aug 1, 2013, at 5:38 PM, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net wrote: My Hunq serves as a rigid 29er when it has the Big Bens. So I'd advise that if one is confident on any 2.2ish mountain bike for a given terrain, then similar confidence would ensue on the Hunq. Given that, you then reap all the benefits of a top-notch touring bike. Great bike! Keep in mind, I haven't concluded that I would do the Divide on the Hunq. I'm just saying that the Hunq is at least as good as any rigid mountain bike. No disc brakes true, but put some nice V's on it, and the braking will be great. That I do know from V-braking it on my loaded Atlantis on the steep Shafter Grade in Marin County. No problems there and that was just with knobby 40's. -Jim W. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 1, 2013, at 5:14 PM, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote: Quick afterthought: Jim's Hunqapillar is shod with 55 mm Big Bens looks to have some clearance. Maybe a Hunq w/ginormous knobbies? dougP On Thursday, August 1, 2013 5:10:59 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote: Isn't it called the Great Divide route because it closely follows the continental divide? As in, wayy up in the mountains? While I love my Atlantis, and have taken it some places it really wasn't meant to go, it seems this is a ride for which a purpose built MTB is more appropriate. I concur with Anne's comment about liking under-biking, but not that far under. Memories of gazing down the Abyss of Death on the Loch Leven ride are still fresh in mind. dougP On Thursday, August 1, 2013 1:29:21 PM UTC-7, Matt Beebe wrote: I have ridden the northern part of the divide, using 40mm tires fully loaded on a regular touring bike, and I would definitely not hesitate to do it on an Atlantis.Parts of it were gnarly, but they were not that long and were actually kind of fun.I found that those washboard roads go from nightmare to completely doable if you drop your tire pressure to juuust the right amount. It was really surprising what a difference it makes. On Thursday, August 1, 2013 12:21:33 PM UTC-4, Anne Paulson wrote: I've been thinking about riding the Great Divide. But I'd need a lot of persuading to know why I would want to use one of my Atlanti instead of a bike with a front suspension and disk brakes. I've heard a lot about washboards; would a big soft tire really be enough cushioning? On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Jim M. math...@gmail.com wrote: How about a Riv tour down the Great Divide bike route? Mixed terrain, self-supported, and a rider could choose a particular part or the whole route. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Rivs on the Great Divide, was Jamboree
I haven't checked, but I suspect it can't. I'm going to put the Schwalbe 2.0s on my other Atlantis, the purple one I use for touring, in preparation for the Lost Coast of California. On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 5:45 PM, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net wrote: Just out of curiosity, Anne, have you found out if your Atlantis, can take the Big Bens in 55? Sent from my iPhone On Aug 1, 2013, at 5:38 PM, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net wrote: My Hunq serves as a rigid 29er when it has the Big Bens. So I'd advise that if one is confident on any 2.2ish mountain bike for a given terrain, then similar confidence would ensue on the Hunq. Given that, you then reap all the benefits of a top-notch touring bike. Great bike! Keep in mind, I haven't concluded that I would do the Divide on the Hunq. I'm just saying that the Hunq is at least as good as any rigid mountain bike. No disc brakes true, but put some nice V's on it, and the braking will be great. That I do know from V-braking it on my loaded Atlantis on the steep Shafter Grade in Marin County. No problems there and that was just with knobby 40's. -Jim W. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 1, 2013, at 5:14 PM, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote: Quick afterthought: Jim's Hunqapillar is shod with 55 mm Big Bens looks to have some clearance. Maybe a Hunq w/ginormous knobbies? dougP On Thursday, August 1, 2013 5:10:59 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote: Isn't it called the Great Divide route because it closely follows the continental divide? As in, wayy up in the mountains? While I love my Atlantis, and have taken it some places it really wasn't meant to go, it seems this is a ride for which a purpose built MTB is more appropriate. I concur with Anne's comment about liking under-biking, but not that far under. Memories of gazing down the Abyss of Death on the Loch Leven ride are still fresh in mind. dougP On Thursday, August 1, 2013 1:29:21 PM UTC-7, Matt Beebe wrote: I have ridden the northern part of the divide, using 40mm tires fully loaded on a regular touring bike, and I would definitely not hesitate to do it on an Atlantis.Parts of it were gnarly, but they were not that long and were actually kind of fun.I found that those washboard roads go from nightmare to completely doable if you drop your tire pressure to juuust the right amount. It was really surprising what a difference it makes. On Thursday, August 1, 2013 12:21:33 PM UTC-4, Anne Paulson wrote: I've been thinking about riding the Great Divide. But I'd need a lot of persuading to know why I would want to use one of my Atlanti instead of a bike with a front suspension and disk brakes. I've heard a lot about washboards; would a big soft tire really be enough cushioning? On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Jim M. math...@gmail.com wrote: How about a Riv tour down the Great Divide bike route? Mixed terrain, self-supported, and a rider could choose a particular part or the whole route. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Rivs on the Great Divide, was Jamboree
Good plan. I did the Unknown Coast Loop on an Atlantis a year ago. Even though it is paved, the 700x40 knobby Extremes I used were precisely whar that particular pavement demanded. My riding friends were envious. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 1, 2013, at 5:56 PM, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote: I haven't checked, but I suspect it can't. I'm going to put the Schwalbe 2.0s on my other Atlantis, the purple one I use for touring, in preparation for the Lost Coast of California. On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 5:45 PM, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net wrote: Just out of curiosity, Anne, have you found out if your Atlantis, can take the Big Bens in 55? Sent from my iPhone On Aug 1, 2013, at 5:38 PM, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net wrote: My Hunq serves as a rigid 29er when it has the Big Bens. So I'd advise that if one is confident on any 2.2ish mountain bike for a given terrain, then similar confidence would ensue on the Hunq. Given that, you then reap all the benefits of a top-notch touring bike. Great bike! Keep in mind, I haven't concluded that I would do the Divide on the Hunq. I'm just saying that the Hunq is at least as good as any rigid mountain bike. No disc brakes true, but put some nice V's on it, and the braking will be great. That I do know from V-braking it on my loaded Atlantis on the steep Shafter Grade in Marin County. No problems there and that was just with knobby 40's. -Jim W. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 1, 2013, at 5:14 PM, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote: Quick afterthought: Jim's Hunqapillar is shod with 55 mm Big Bens looks to have some clearance. Maybe a Hunq w/ginormous knobbies? dougP On Thursday, August 1, 2013 5:10:59 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote: Isn't it called the Great Divide route because it closely follows the continental divide? As in, wayy up in the mountains? While I love my Atlantis, and have taken it some places it really wasn't meant to go, it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Rivs on the Great Divide, was Jamboree
Hey Doug, most of the guys/gals who race it ( GD race) use fairly skinny knobbies for MTB's The most common tires WTB's Nano raptor and the Conti Race Kings only measure about 50mm wide. Sure a big fat knobby would help but it does slow you down a bit, even for unracers. ~mike On Thursday, August 1, 2013 5:14:09 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote: Quick afterthought: Jim's Hunqapillar is shod with 55 mm Big Bens looks to have some clearance. Maybe a Hunq w/ginormous knobbies? dougP On Thursday, August 1, 2013 5:10:59 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote: Isn't it called the Great Divide route because it closely follows the continental divide? As in, wayy up in the mountains? While I love my Atlantis, and have taken it some places it really wasn't meant to go, it seems this is a ride for which a purpose built MTB is more appropriate. I concur with Anne's comment about liking under-biking, but not that far under. Memories of gazing down the Abyss of Death on the Loch Leven ride are still fresh in mind. dougP On Thursday, August 1, 2013 1:29:21 PM UTC-7, Matt Beebe wrote: I have ridden the northern part of the divide, using 40mm tires fully loaded on a regular touring bike, and I would definitely not hesitate to do it on an Atlantis.Parts of it were gnarly, but they were not that long and were actually kind of fun.I found that those washboard roads go from nightmare to completely doable if you drop your tire pressure to juuust the right amount. It was really surprising what a difference it makes. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Rivs on the Great Divide, was Jamboree
The GDR is mostly roads, not MTB trail, but the roads are remote and don't get much maintenance in places. You COULD do it on an Atlantis, but you may be more comfy and confident with a mountain bike. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Rivs on the Great Divide, was Jamboree
It has been done on cyclocross tires, but that would be too underbiked for me. An Atlantis with 2 tires would be fine, I think. As Mike said, the favorite tires of the racers have been relatively skinny knobbies. jim m wc ca -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Rivs on the Great Divide, was Jamboree
The Unknown Coast has poor paving, and the Lost Coast just south of it is dirt. So wide tires are definitely de rigueur. On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 6:42 PM, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net wrote: Good plan. I did the Unknown Coast Loop on an Atlantis a year ago. Even though it is paved, the 700x40 knobby Extremes I used were precisely whar that particular pavement demanded. My riding friends were envious. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 1, 2013, at 5:56 PM, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote: I haven't checked, but I suspect it can't. I'm going to put the Schwalbe 2.0s on my other Atlantis, the purple one I use for touring, in preparation for the Lost Coast of California. On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 5:45 PM, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net wrote: Just out of curiosity, Anne, have you found out if your Atlantis, can take the Big Bens in 55? Sent from my iPhone On Aug 1, 2013, at 5:38 PM, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net wrote: My Hunq serves as a rigid 29er when it has the Big Bens. So I'd advise that if one is confident on any 2.2ish mountain bike for a given terrain, then similar confidence would ensue on the Hunq. Given that, you then reap all the benefits of a top-notch touring bike. Great bike! Keep in mind, I haven't concluded that I would do the Divide on the Hunq. I'm just saying that the Hunq is at least as good as any rigid mountain bike. No disc brakes true, but put some nice V's on it, and the braking will be great. That I do know from V-braking it on my loaded Atlantis on the steep Shafter Grade in Marin County. No problems there and that was just with knobby 40's. -Jim W. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 1, 2013, at 5:14 PM, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote: Quick afterthought: Jim's Hunqapillar is shod with 55 mm Big Bens looks to have some clearance. Maybe a Hunq w/ginormous knobbies? dougP On Thursday, August 1, 2013 5:10:59 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote: Isn't it called the Great Divide route because it closely follows the continental divide? As in, wayy up in the mountains? While I love my Atlantis, and have taken it some places it really wasn't meant to go, it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Rivs on the Great Divide, was Jamboree
Wait... am I on the Riv list? Am I seeing an appeal to what racers use? Am I seeing claims that a certain tire would slow me down? I'll tell you what would slow me down. Crashing and breaking a bone out in the middle of nowhere, that's what. On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 6:58 PM, Mike Schiller mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote: Hey Doug, most of the guys/gals who race it ( GD race) use fairly skinny knobbies for MTB's The most common tires WTB's Nano raptor and the Conti Race Kings only measure about 50mm wide. Sure a big fat knobby would help but it does slow you down a bit, even for unracers. ~mike On Thursday, August 1, 2013 5:14:09 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote: Quick afterthought: Jim's Hunqapillar is shod with 55 mm Big Bens looks to have some clearance. Maybe a Hunq w/ginormous knobbies? dougP On Thursday, August 1, 2013 5:10:59 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote: Isn't it called the Great Divide route because it closely follows the continental divide? As in, wayy up in the mountains? While I love my Atlantis, and have taken it some places it really wasn't meant to go, it seems this is a ride for which a purpose built MTB is more appropriate. I concur with Anne's comment about liking under-biking, but not that far under. Memories of gazing down the Abyss of Death on the Loch Leven ride are still fresh in mind. dougP On Thursday, August 1, 2013 1:29:21 PM UTC-7, Matt Beebe wrote: I have ridden the northern part of the divide, using 40mm tires fully loaded on a regular touring bike, and I would definitely not hesitate to do it on an Atlantis.Parts of it were gnarly, but they were not that long and were actually kind of fun.I found that those washboard roads go from nightmare to completely doable if you drop your tire pressure to juuust the right amount. It was really surprising what a difference it makes. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Rivs on the Great Divide, was Jamboree
I've read a couple of accounts of the Great Divide event, riders living on candy bars, powdered drinks (yechchch!), no sleep, running low on water, etc., etc. Probably wouldn't take their minimalist gear recommendations too seriously. OTH, a couple I know road from Canada to Colorado on MTBs, towing trailers with plenty of gear, and had a wonderful time. But they were not on any clock. dougP no plans to do this anytime soon On Thursday, August 1, 2013 7:50:30 PM UTC-7, Jim M. wrote: It has been done on cyclocross tires, but that would be too underbiked for me. An Atlantis with 2 tires would be fine, I think. As Mike said, the favorite tires of the racers have been relatively skinny knobbies. jim m wc ca -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Rivs on the Great Divide, was Jamboree
There are a lot of long dirt road sections, so improving efficiency is more about completing your planned route than overall speed. While I'm not suggesting adopting a racing focus, optimizing your bike and gear to increase how much fun you have along the way. But... we all have different skill levels. I raced mountain bikes for many years so that drives my opinions. Then again I'm seriously thinking about getting the new Surly ECR. A backpacking/touring rig using 29 x 3.0 tires. ~mike On Thursday, August 1, 2013 8:31:03 PM UTC-7, Anne Paulson wrote: Wait... am I on the Riv list? Am I seeing an appeal to what racers use? Am I seeing claims that a certain tire would slow me down? I'll tell you what would slow me down. Crashing and breaking a bone out in the middle of nowhere, that's what. On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 6:58 PM, Mike Schiller mikey...@rocketmail.comjavascript: wrote: Hey Doug, most of the guys/gals who race it ( GD race) use fairly skinny knobbies for MTB's The most common tires WTB's Nano raptor and the Conti Race Kings only measure about 50mm wide. Sure a big fat knobby would help but it does slow you down a bit, even for unracers. ~mike On Thursday, August 1, 2013 5:14:09 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote: Quick afterthought: Jim's Hunqapillar is shod with 55 mm Big Bens looks to have some clearance. Maybe a Hunq w/ginormous knobbies? dougP On Thursday, August 1, 2013 5:10:59 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote: Isn't it called the Great Divide route because it closely follows the continental divide? As in, wayy up in the mountains? While I love my Atlantis, and have taken it some places it really wasn't meant to go, it seems this is a ride for which a purpose built MTB is more appropriate. I concur with Anne's comment about liking under-biking, but not that far under. Memories of gazing down the Abyss of Death on the Loch Leven ride are still fresh in mind. dougP On Thursday, August 1, 2013 1:29:21 PM UTC-7, Matt Beebe wrote: I have ridden the northern part of the divide, using 40mm tires fully loaded on a regular touring bike, and I would definitely not hesitate to do it on an Atlantis.Parts of it were gnarly, but they were not that long and were actually kind of fun.I found that those washboard roads go from nightmare to completely doable if you drop your tire pressure to juuust the right amount. It was really surprising what a difference it makes. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Rivs on the Great Divide, was Jamboree
oops! I meant bikepacking rig. ~mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Rivs on the Great Divide, was Jamboree
When I'm touring, I don't place a high value on improving efficiency. Actually, I don't place a high value on improving efficiency in any of my riding: I want to be comfortable and safe and have a good time. I like to beat people up to the top of the hill, but I like a lot of other things about riding too. On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 9:26 PM, Mike Schiller mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote: There are a lot of long dirt road sections, so improving efficiency is more about completing your planned route than overall speed. While I'm not suggesting adopting a racing focus, optimizing your bike and gear to increase how much fun you have along the way. But... we all have different skill levels. I raced mountain bikes for many years so that drives my opinions. Then again I'm seriously thinking about getting the new Surly ECR. A backpacking/touring rig using 29 x 3.0 tires. ~mike On Thursday, August 1, 2013 8:31:03 PM UTC-7, Anne Paulson wrote: Wait... am I on the Riv list? Am I seeing an appeal to what racers use? Am I seeing claims that a certain tire would slow me down? I'll tell you what would slow me down. Crashing and breaking a bone out in the middle of nowhere, that's what. On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 6:58 PM, Mike Schiller mikey...@rocketmail.com wrote: Hey Doug, most of the guys/gals who race it ( GD race) use fairly skinny knobbies for MTB's The most common tires WTB's Nano raptor and the Conti Race Kings only measure about 50mm wide. Sure a big fat knobby would help but it does slow you down a bit, even for unracers. ~mike On Thursday, August 1, 2013 5:14:09 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote: Quick afterthought: Jim's Hunqapillar is shod with 55 mm Big Bens looks to have some clearance. Maybe a Hunq w/ginormous knobbies? dougP On Thursday, August 1, 2013 5:10:59 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote: Isn't it called the Great Divide route because it closely follows the continental divide? As in, wayy up in the mountains? While I love my Atlantis, and have taken it some places it really wasn't meant to go, it seems this is a ride for which a purpose built MTB is more appropriate. I concur with Anne's comment about liking under-biking, but not that far under. Memories of gazing down the Abyss of Death on the Loch Leven ride are still fresh in mind. dougP On Thursday, August 1, 2013 1:29:21 PM UTC-7, Matt Beebe wrote: I have ridden the northern part of the divide, using 40mm tires fully loaded on a regular touring bike, and I would definitely not hesitate to do it on an Atlantis.Parts of it were gnarly, but they were not that long and were actually kind of fun.I found that those washboard roads go from nightmare to completely doable if you drop your tire pressure to juuust the right amount. It was really surprising what a difference it makes. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Rivs on the Great Divide, was Jamboree
Mike: an aside: after grunting my 35 lb Fargo with hugely heavy (800 gr rims and tires) up 17 miles of gravel climb last week, I have decided to equip the much lighter Rhyno Lite wheelset with sub 600 gram knobbies and save the other set for local sand. From your experience, will taking, say, a pound off the circumference of each wheel (rims and tires and tubes) make a noticeable difference in climbing effort? I know that my brother, with remarkably light 26 wheels on hisery light v ti rigid 26er (quite possibly they were lighter than the road wheels for the same bike, with Performance 35s and less exalted rims) just left me standing on the climb, and I'd like to know that it wasn't simply climbing ability. I am very, very tempted by those 450 gram Schwalbes -- Furious Freds? -- that someone remarked available from a British supplier for about $100 shipped, but I am waiting to hear from someone about a trade for something possibly suitable, if not as light. On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 10:26 PM, Mike Schiller mikeybi...@rocketmail.comwrote: There are a lot of long dirt road sections, so improving efficiency is more about completing your planned route than overall speed. While I'm not suggesting adopting a racing focus, optimizing your bike and gear to increase how much fun you have along the way. But... we all have different skill levels. I raced mountain bikes for many years so that drives my opinions. Then again I'm seriously thinking about getting the new Surly ECR. A backpacking/touring rig using 29 x 3.0 tires. ~mike On Thursday, August 1, 2013 8:31:03 PM UTC-7, Anne Paulson wrote: Wait... am I on the Riv list? Am I seeing an appeal to what racers use? Am I seeing claims that a certain tire would slow me down? I'll tell you what would slow me down. Crashing and breaking a bone out in the middle of nowhere, that's what. On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 6:58 PM, Mike Schiller mikey...@rocketmail.com wrote: Hey Doug, most of the guys/gals who race it ( GD race) use fairly skinny knobbies for MTB's The most common tires WTB's Nano raptor and the Conti Race Kings only measure about 50mm wide. Sure a big fat knobby would help but it does slow you down a bit, even for unracers. ~mike On Thursday, August 1, 2013 5:14:09 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote: Quick afterthought: Jim's Hunqapillar is shod with 55 mm Big Bens looks to have some clearance. Maybe a Hunq w/ginormous knobbies? dougP On Thursday, August 1, 2013 5:10:59 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote: Isn't it called the Great Divide route because it closely follows the continental divide? As in, wayy up in the mountains? While I love my Atlantis, and have taken it some places it really wasn't meant to go, it seems this is a ride for which a purpose built MTB is more appropriate. I concur with Anne's comment about liking under-biking, but not that far under. Memories of gazing down the Abyss of Death on the Loch Leven ride are still fresh in mind. dougP On Thursday, August 1, 2013 1:29:21 PM UTC-7, Matt Beebe wrote: I have ridden the northern part of the divide, using 40mm tires fully loaded on a regular touring bike, and I would definitely not hesitate to do it on an Atlantis.Parts of it were gnarly, but they were not that long and were actually kind of fun.I found that those washboard roads go from nightmare to completely doable if you drop your tire pressure to juuust the right amount. It was really surprising what a difference it makes. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@**googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.**com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/**group/rbw-owners-bunchhttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/**groups/opt_outhttps://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- http://resumespecialties.com/index.html patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to
