Re: [RBW] Re: Ron's Ortho... stem question

[Wesley]

For folks who want a higher rise on these stems, my setup combines a 
super-tall quill-to-threadless adapter 
(https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/soma-high-rider-xl-quill-28-6-22-2-290mm-4984)
 
with a 1990s Trek "System 2" stem (for 
instance: https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/hT8AAOSwzWBi7UKa/s-l400.jpg) which 
are often available on eBay. I think there are "System 1" and "System 3" of 
similar lengths, too (mine is 150mm).
-Wes

On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 3:43:41 PM UTC-7 Jordan Rosenblum wrote:

> Not unlike other folks, I found the width of the Ortho's demanded a longer 
> stem than I use with Bosco and Tosco bars. Another option that I think sits 
> somewhere between a face-plater and other single bolt stems are the Ritchey 
> Force made by Nitto stems of the 90's, which you can occasionally find in 
> even longer lengths. They are steel with a single bolt—and very pretty. The 
> downside is that they don't have a ton of rise. As the poster above 
> mentions, I have successfully used a Ritchey 25.4 clamp diameter stem with 
> the 26.0 Ortho's, which were very secure—though I don't presume any 
> knowledge of whether this is long-term safe. 
>
> I saw this post just as I was prepping a for-sale post of similar stems on 
> another forum. If Chris or other folks are interested, the following are up 
> for grabs, I am going to create a new post so that I don't derail the 
> thread. These include a 120mm 25.4 faceplate stem, Ritchey 25.4 stems in 
> 150 and 170mm(),  and a Ritchey 135mm, 26.0 (might be what you're 
> looking for). Regardless, if you don't need a long steering column, I 
> highly recommend the Ritchey Force stems if you can scrounge up the size 
> that would work for you.
>
> Jordan in Portland, Oregon
>
> [image: IMG_6005.jpg]
> [image: IMG_6011.jpg]
>
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 1:39:02 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> For what it is worth Ron used 25.4 clamp size stems and claims & claims 
>> they work great. Got to spread that clamp I guess.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 11, 2024, at 12:09 PM, El Sapo  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> Wish I would have understood the issues with the 26 mm handlebar clamp 
>> prior to purchasing the Ortho Bar. No megusta.The pics posted by iamKeith 
>> don’t show that his hair, beard, and hip vibe are much greater riding the 
>> bike with ortho bars.
>> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 7:50:27 AM UTC-7 Chris K wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you all for the pics and advice! Very helpful.
>>>
>>> I'm putting these bars on a 1985 Trek 870. As Riv says on their 
>>> cardboard geo charts "don't obsess", but geometrically this old frame is 
>>> not terribly far off some Riv models, setting aside, of course, bb drop and 
>>> stack (1985 Trek 870: 21.8" frame, 71º hta, 71.5º sta, 58.0 tt, 48.5 cs, 
>>> 5.0 drop, 52.7 stack, 40.6 reach).
>>>
>>> My current set-up is Choco bars and an 8cm Dirt Drop. The height feels 
>>> fine, just slightly above saddle height, and the reach isn't bad either but 
>>> could be ~1" longer. I'm fairly upright but can lean in and grip forward as 
>>> needed. I just like the idea of more width and more flare.
>>>
>>> Are these details helpful? I'm maybe leaning toward the 135mm Faceplater 
>>> based on your replies, but that does seem long!
>>> On Sunday, March 10, 2024 at 5:48:02 PM UTC-6 Dan wrote:
>>>
 [image: IMG_9267.jpeg]I’ve got these bars lined up for my Appaloosa 
 build. 
 My local bike shop had a NOS Velo Orange Grand Cru stem in 120mm that 
 looks pretty perfect. It’s 26.0, and having no rise should be slightly 
 longer in reality than its length number suggests. I’m hoping that the 
 wider clamp section will help it to grip the bars well too, despite the 
 single bolt. 


 On Monday 11 March 2024 at 03:33:24 UTC+10:30 Chris K wrote:

> Hey all, I've got some Ortho Bars in my cart and looking for stem 
> advice from those who use this bar. Obv there are multiple fit and frame 
> factors that play into something like this, but curious what people are 
> generally going with. Here are the options I'm deciding between:
>
> - Faceplater 110mm
> - Faceplater 135mm
> - Tallux 12cm
>
> Will the 110 Faceplater be too short?
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Ron's Ortho... stem question

[scott minor]

I've been happy with a 120mm lugged stem w Orthos on my 62cm Atlantis. 
 Sometimes when I'm jumping on the bike quickly I get the feeling my bars 
just slipped downward but actually they just flexed!  So the stem is 
grabbing pretty well to not slip in this scenario.  The stem has pronounced 
rigidity as well so the flex is limited to the bars.  I'd think the Ritchey 
force would behave the same way, which in my view is a pretty nice balance 
when it comes to Orthos.  
On Saturday, March 30, 2024 at 3:20:24 AM UTC-4 Dan wrote:

> Chris, can I ask how this ended up working for you? If so, what shim did 
> you use?
>
> I've set up my Appaloosa with the Orthos and a 120mm VO single-bolt 26.0mm 
> stem.
> The comfort and control is FANTASTIC, but I can make the bars slip if I 
> push down on them hard. So far it hasn't happened while riding, but it 
> makes me feel a little uneasy that it might be possible.
>
> I'm wondering if I need to go for a 31.8mm Nitto faceplater or, *gasp*, a 
> threadless adapter and threadless stem :S
> On Wednesday 13 March 2024 at 09:07:59 UTC+10:30 Chris K wrote:
>
>> Again, thanks much for all the replies and info. I think I'll get the 135 
>> Faceplater. The reason for getting the Nitto Riv version instead of one of 
>> these awesome Ritchie's is I need the extra height.
>>
>> FWIW, Ron says a 25.4 clamp works with the 26.0 bar if you pry it open 
>> just a touch to fit it in. Bit of a hack I suppose, but I'm gonna give it a 
>> shot.
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 12, 2024 at 3:27 PM Brian McDermott  
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I went from Billies to orthos on my Appaloosa, had to go from a 120 to 
>>> 130 for the extra sweep. Finding a suitable 26.0 stem was a challenge, 
>>> ended up with a Miyata pantographed stem from eBay.
>>> On Sunday, March 10, 2024 at 10:03:24 AM UTC-7 Chris K wrote:
>>>
 Hey all, I've got some Ortho Bars in my cart and looking for stem 
 advice from those who use this bar. Obv there are multiple fit and frame 
 factors that play into something like this, but curious what people are 
 generally going with. Here are the options I'm deciding between:

 - Faceplater 110mm
 - Faceplater 135mm
 - Tallux 12cm

 Will the 110 Faceplater be too short?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Ron's Ortho... stem question

[Dan]

Chris, can I ask how this ended up working for you? If so, what shim did 
you use?

I've set up my Appaloosa with the Orthos and a 120mm VO single-bolt 26.0mm 
stem.
The comfort and control is FANTASTIC, but I can make the bars slip if I 
push down on them hard. So far it hasn't happened while riding, but it 
makes me feel a little uneasy that it might be possible.

I'm wondering if I need to go for a 31.8mm Nitto faceplater or, *gasp*, a 
threadless adapter and threadless stem :S
On Wednesday 13 March 2024 at 09:07:59 UTC+10:30 Chris K wrote:

> Again, thanks much for all the replies and info. I think I'll get the 135 
> Faceplater. The reason for getting the Nitto Riv version instead of one of 
> these awesome Ritchie's is I need the extra height.
>
> FWIW, Ron says a 25.4 clamp works with the 26.0 bar if you pry it open 
> just a touch to fit it in. Bit of a hack I suppose, but I'm gonna give it a 
> shot.
>
> On Tue, Mar 12, 2024 at 3:27 PM Brian McDermott  
> wrote:
>
>>
>> I went from Billies to orthos on my Appaloosa, had to go from a 120 to 
>> 130 for the extra sweep. Finding a suitable 26.0 stem was a challenge, 
>> ended up with a Miyata pantographed stem from eBay.
>> On Sunday, March 10, 2024 at 10:03:24 AM UTC-7 Chris K wrote:
>>
>>> Hey all, I've got some Ortho Bars in my cart and looking for stem advice 
>>> from those who use this bar. Obv there are multiple fit and frame factors 
>>> that play into something like this, but curious what people are generally 
>>> going with. Here are the options I'm deciding between:
>>>
>>> - Faceplater 110mm
>>> - Faceplater 135mm
>>> - Tallux 12cm
>>>
>>> Will the 110 Faceplater be too short?
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Ron's Ortho... stem question

[Chris Kannen]

Seems to be good agreement on the clamp mismatch.

Ron replied to a query about it with "the 4 bolt will meld to the slightly
larger diameter just fine -- if not a little better than a 1 or 2 bolt."



On Wed, Mar 13, 2024 at 10:23 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> +1 for the Ritchey Force stems; IME they clamp bars more immovably than
> single-bolt Nitto stems possibly because of their wider clamps.
>
> And +1 for using 25.4 mm steel stems with 26.0 bars. I used to regularly
> install 26.4 ("point 4") mm Cinelli Giro d'Italias into Salsa and Tioga
> mountain bike stems with 25.4 clamps in order to get them high enough on
> low-stack mountain bikes and XO-1. I never had problems getting the bar's
> curves around the wide, square clamps, or afterward while riding the
> combination. I do think that, as I did later, Nitto Dirt Drop stems or
> customs -- I had a couple made by Salsa -- are better.
>
> And +1 for not prying wider a forged aluminum stem.
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 12, 2024 at 10:11 PM iamkeith  wrote:
>
>> FWIW, from many years of doing so, I'll second the suggestion (not a
>> promise or recommendation - disclaimer and all that) that 25.4 stems CAN
>> work ok with 26.0 bars.  But the only ones Ive had scuccess with are
>> high-end steel stems with a single bolt clamp.  They tend to have thinner
>> steel that can bend and conform to the larger diameter bars.  Especially
>> the Salsa ones, but also the Ritchey Force ones being discussed here.  I
>> don't want to discourage you from trying - and it's a relatively cheap
>> experiment - but I'm less certain it'll work with a removable faceplate
>> construction.  Less of the material around the clamp circumference is
>> un-restrained and free to flex.  It might work BETTER - I just don’t know.
>> Tighten slowly and methodically, and watch to make sure that it's the steel
>> stem that gets deformed, and not the aluminum handlebar.  I know it's not
>> your current plan, but don't pry open a forged aluminum stem to fit a
>> bigger bar.  Lastly,  the safe option is still a 31.8 faceplater stem with
>> a 26.0 shim.  I get it if you want to try a 26.0 stem first though.  Just
>> please let us know how it works out.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Ron's Ortho... stem question

[Patrick Moore]

+1 for the Ritchey Force stems; IME they clamp bars more immovably than
single-bolt Nitto stems possibly because of their wider clamps.

And +1 for using 25.4 mm steel stems with 26.0 bars. I used to regularly
install 26.4 ("point 4") mm Cinelli Giro d'Italias into Salsa and Tioga
mountain bike stems with 25.4 clamps in order to get them high enough on
low-stack mountain bikes and XO-1. I never had problems getting the bar's
curves around the wide, square clamps, or afterward while riding the
combination. I do think that, as I did later, Nitto Dirt Drop stems or
customs -- I had a couple made by Salsa -- are better.

And +1 for not prying wider a forged aluminum stem.


On Tue, Mar 12, 2024 at 10:11 PM iamkeith  wrote:

> FWIW, from many years of doing so, I'll second the suggestion (not a
> promise or recommendation - disclaimer and all that) that 25.4 stems CAN
> work ok with 26.0 bars.  But the only ones Ive had scuccess with are
> high-end steel stems with a single bolt clamp.  They tend to have thinner
> steel that can bend and conform to the larger diameter bars.  Especially
> the Salsa ones, but also the Ritchey Force ones being discussed here.  I
> don't want to discourage you from trying - and it's a relatively cheap
> experiment - but I'm less certain it'll work with a removable faceplate
> construction.  Less of the material around the clamp circumference is
> un-restrained and free to flex.  It might work BETTER - I just don’t know.
> Tighten slowly and methodically, and watch to make sure that it's the steel
> stem that gets deformed, and not the aluminum handlebar.  I know it's not
> your current plan, but don't pry open a forged aluminum stem to fit a
> bigger bar.  Lastly,  the safe option is still a 31.8 faceplater stem with
> a 26.0 shim.  I get it if you want to try a 26.0 stem first though.  Just
> please let us know how it works out.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Ron's Ortho... stem question

[iamkeith]

FWIW, from many years of doing so, I'll second the suggestion (not a 
promise or recommendation - disclaimer and all that) that 25.4 stems CAN  
work ok with 26.0 bars.  But the only ones Ive had scuccess with are 
high-end steel stems with a single bolt clamp.  They tend to have thinner 
steel that can bend and conform to the larger diameter bars.  Especially 
the Salsa ones, but also the Ritchey Force ones being discussed here.  I 
don't want to discourage you from trying - and it's a relatively cheap 
experiment - but I'm less certain it'll work with a removable faceplate 
construction.  Less of the material around the clamp circumference is 
un-restrained and free to flex.  It might work BETTER - I just don’t know.  
Tighten slowly and methodically, and watch to make sure that it's the steel 
stem that gets deformed, and not the aluminum handlebar.  I know it's not 
your current plan, but don't pry open a forged aluminum stem to fit a 
bigger bar.  Lastly,  the safe option is still a 31.8 faceplater stem with 
a 26.0 shim.  I get it if you want to try a 26.0 stem first though.  Just 
please let us know how it works out.
On Tuesday, March 12, 2024 at 4:37:59 PM UTC-6 Chris K wrote:

> Again, thanks much for all the replies and info. I think I'll get the 135 
> Faceplater. The reason for getting the Nitto Riv version instead of one of 
> these awesome Ritchie's is I need the extra height.
>
> FWIW, Ron says a 25.4 clamp works with the 26.0 bar if you pry it open 
> just a touch to fit it in. Bit of a hack I suppose, but I'm gonna give it a 
> shot.
>
> On Tue, Mar 12, 2024 at 3:27 PM Brian McDermott  
> wrote:
>
>>
>> I went from Billies to orthos on my Appaloosa, had to go from a 120 to 
>> 130 for the extra sweep. Finding a suitable 26.0 stem was a challenge, 
>> ended up with a Miyata pantographed stem from eBay.
>> On Sunday, March 10, 2024 at 10:03:24 AM UTC-7 Chris K wrote:
>>
>>> Hey all, I've got some Ortho Bars in my cart and looking for stem advice 
>>> from those who use this bar. Obv there are multiple fit and frame factors 
>>> that play into something like this, but curious what people are generally 
>>> going with. Here are the options I'm deciding between:
>>>
>>> - Faceplater 110mm
>>> - Faceplater 135mm
>>> - Tallux 12cm
>>>
>>> Will the 110 Faceplater be too short?
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Ron's Ortho... stem question

[Chris Kannen]

Again, thanks much for all the replies and info. I think I'll get the 135
Faceplater. The reason for getting the Nitto Riv version instead of one of
these awesome Ritchie's is I need the extra height.

FWIW, Ron says a 25.4 clamp works with the 26.0 bar if you pry it open just
a touch to fit it in. Bit of a hack I suppose, but I'm gonna give it a shot.

On Tue, Mar 12, 2024 at 3:27 PM Brian McDermott <
brianmarkmcderm...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> I went from Billies to orthos on my Appaloosa, had to go from a 120 to 130
> for the extra sweep. Finding a suitable 26.0 stem was a challenge, ended up
> with a Miyata pantographed stem from eBay.
> On Sunday, March 10, 2024 at 10:03:24 AM UTC-7 Chris K wrote:
>
>> Hey all, I've got some Ortho Bars in my cart and looking for stem advice
>> from those who use this bar. Obv there are multiple fit and frame factors
>> that play into something like this, but curious what people are generally
>> going with. Here are the options I'm deciding between:
>>
>> - Faceplater 110mm
>> - Faceplater 135mm
>> - Tallux 12cm
>>
>> Will the 110 Faceplater be too short?
>>
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[RBW] Re: Ron's Ortho... stem question

[Brian McDermott]

I went from Billies to orthos on my Appaloosa, had to go from a 120 to 130 
for the extra sweep. Finding a suitable 26.0 stem was a challenge, ended up 
with a Miyata pantographed stem from eBay.
On Sunday, March 10, 2024 at 10:03:24 AM UTC-7 Chris K wrote:

> Hey all, I've got some Ortho Bars in my cart and looking for stem advice 
> from those who use this bar. Obv there are multiple fit and frame factors 
> that play into something like this, but curious what people are generally 
> going with. Here are the options I'm deciding between:
>
> - Faceplater 110mm
> - Faceplater 135mm
> - Tallux 12cm
>
> Will the 110 Faceplater be too short?
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Ron's Ortho... stem question

[Michael Monti]

As a huge fan of the old Ritchey force stems, I'm going to say that it is 
very likely that the stems pictured here are designed to accommodate 
cantilever brakes, aka with cable stops.  The clamp diameter being 25.4.  
Also, I have found these stems hold handlebars very well.  The issue with 
these stems is not scratching the bars during install because the steel 
sleeve (the 25.4 part) is a longer length than most single bolt stems 
making it difficult to install anything other than a flat bar.  So, my 
trick for this is to take out the bolt and put it in backwards, starting it 
through the threaded side on the bottom of the sleeve and placing a penny 
in front of the unthreaded side covering it and threading the bolt into the 
penny and with minimal torque the clamp diameter opens up helping to 
prevent any damage to your handlebars during install.  The downside to this 
single bolt stem vs. the faceplater stem is deciding you want to change 
your stem and having to undo one side your beautifully wrapped bars.

On Tuesday, March 12, 2024 at 10:41:39 AM UTC-7 El Sapo wrote:

>
> Are those stems with the cable stops 26mm clamp?
>
>
> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 3:43:41 PM UTC-7 Jordan Rosenblum wrote:
>
>> Not unlike other folks, I found the width of the Ortho's demanded a 
>> longer stem than I use with Bosco and Tosco bars. Another option that I 
>> think sits somewhere between a face-plater and other single bolt stems are 
>> the Ritchey Force made by Nitto stems of the 90's, which you can 
>> occasionally find in even longer lengths. They are steel with a single 
>> bolt—and very pretty. The downside is that they don't have a ton of rise. 
>> As the poster above mentions, I have successfully used a Ritchey 25.4 clamp 
>> diameter stem with the 26.0 Ortho's, which were very secure—though I don't 
>> presume any knowledge of whether this is long-term safe. 
>>
>> I saw this post just as I was prepping a for-sale post of similar stems 
>> on another forum. If Chris or other folks are interested, the following are 
>> up for grabs, I am going to create a new post so that I don't derail the 
>> thread. These include a 120mm 25.4 faceplate stem, Ritchey 25.4 stems in 
>> 150 and 170mm(),  and a Ritchey 135mm, 26.0 (might be what you're 
>> looking for). Regardless, if you don't need a long steering column, I 
>> highly recommend the Ritchey Force stems if you can scrounge up the size 
>> that would work for you.
>>
>> Jordan in Portland, Oregon
>>
>> [image: IMG_6005.jpg]
>> [image: IMG_6011.jpg]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 1:39:02 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> For what it is worth Ron used 25.4 clamp size stems and claims & claims 
>>> they work great. Got to spread that clamp I guess.
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Mar 11, 2024, at 12:09 PM, El Sapo  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> Wish I would have understood the issues with the 26 mm handlebar clamp 
>>> prior to purchasing the Ortho Bar. No megusta.The pics posted by iamKeith 
>>> don’t show that his hair, beard, and hip vibe are much greater riding the 
>>> bike with ortho bars.
>>> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 7:50:27 AM UTC-7 Chris K wrote:
>>>
 Thank you all for the pics and advice! Very helpful.

 I'm putting these bars on a 1985 Trek 870. As Riv says on their 
 cardboard geo charts "don't obsess", but geometrically this old frame is 
 not terribly far off some Riv models, setting aside, of course, bb drop 
 and 
 stack (1985 Trek 870: 21.8" frame, 71º hta, 71.5º sta, 58.0 tt, 48.5 cs, 
 5.0 drop, 52.7 stack, 40.6 reach).

 My current set-up is Choco bars and an 8cm Dirt Drop. The height feels 
 fine, just slightly above saddle height, and the reach isn't bad either 
 but 
 could be ~1" longer. I'm fairly upright but can lean in and grip forward 
 as 
 needed. I just like the idea of more width and more flare.

 Are these details helpful? I'm maybe leaning toward the 135mm 
 Faceplater based on your replies, but that does seem long!
 On Sunday, March 10, 2024 at 5:48:02 PM UTC-6 Dan wrote:

> [image: IMG_9267.jpeg]I’ve got these bars lined up for my Appaloosa 
> build. 
> My local bike shop had a NOS Velo Orange Grand Cru stem in 120mm that 
> looks pretty perfect. It’s 26.0, and having no rise should be slightly 
> longer in reality than its length number suggests. I’m hoping that the 
> wider clamp section will help it to grip the bars well too, despite the 
> single bolt. 
>
>
> On Monday 11 March 2024 at 03:33:24 UTC+10:30 Chris K wrote:
>
>> Hey all, I've got some Ortho Bars in my cart and looking for stem 
>> advice from those who use this bar. Obv there are multiple fit and frame 
>> factors that play into something like this, but curious what people are 
>> generally going with. Here are the options I'm deciding between:
>>
>> - Faceplater 110mm
>> - 

Re: [RBW] Re: Ron's Ortho... stem question

[El Sapo]

Are those stems with the cable stops 26mm clamp?


On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 3:43:41 PM UTC-7 Jordan Rosenblum wrote:

> Not unlike other folks, I found the width of the Ortho's demanded a longer 
> stem than I use with Bosco and Tosco bars. Another option that I think sits 
> somewhere between a face-plater and other single bolt stems are the Ritchey 
> Force made by Nitto stems of the 90's, which you can occasionally find in 
> even longer lengths. They are steel with a single bolt—and very pretty. The 
> downside is that they don't have a ton of rise. As the poster above 
> mentions, I have successfully used a Ritchey 25.4 clamp diameter stem with 
> the 26.0 Ortho's, which were very secure—though I don't presume any 
> knowledge of whether this is long-term safe. 
>
> I saw this post just as I was prepping a for-sale post of similar stems on 
> another forum. If Chris or other folks are interested, the following are up 
> for grabs, I am going to create a new post so that I don't derail the 
> thread. These include a 120mm 25.4 faceplate stem, Ritchey 25.4 stems in 
> 150 and 170mm(),  and a Ritchey 135mm, 26.0 (might be what you're 
> looking for). Regardless, if you don't need a long steering column, I 
> highly recommend the Ritchey Force stems if you can scrounge up the size 
> that would work for you.
>
> Jordan in Portland, Oregon
>
> [image: IMG_6005.jpg]
> [image: IMG_6011.jpg]
>
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 1:39:02 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> For what it is worth Ron used 25.4 clamp size stems and claims & claims 
>> they work great. Got to spread that clamp I guess.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 11, 2024, at 12:09 PM, El Sapo  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> Wish I would have understood the issues with the 26 mm handlebar clamp 
>> prior to purchasing the Ortho Bar. No megusta.The pics posted by iamKeith 
>> don’t show that his hair, beard, and hip vibe are much greater riding the 
>> bike with ortho bars.
>> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 7:50:27 AM UTC-7 Chris K wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you all for the pics and advice! Very helpful.
>>>
>>> I'm putting these bars on a 1985 Trek 870. As Riv says on their 
>>> cardboard geo charts "don't obsess", but geometrically this old frame is 
>>> not terribly far off some Riv models, setting aside, of course, bb drop and 
>>> stack (1985 Trek 870: 21.8" frame, 71º hta, 71.5º sta, 58.0 tt, 48.5 cs, 
>>> 5.0 drop, 52.7 stack, 40.6 reach).
>>>
>>> My current set-up is Choco bars and an 8cm Dirt Drop. The height feels 
>>> fine, just slightly above saddle height, and the reach isn't bad either but 
>>> could be ~1" longer. I'm fairly upright but can lean in and grip forward as 
>>> needed. I just like the idea of more width and more flare.
>>>
>>> Are these details helpful? I'm maybe leaning toward the 135mm Faceplater 
>>> based on your replies, but that does seem long!
>>> On Sunday, March 10, 2024 at 5:48:02 PM UTC-6 Dan wrote:
>>>
 [image: IMG_9267.jpeg]I’ve got these bars lined up for my Appaloosa 
 build. 
 My local bike shop had a NOS Velo Orange Grand Cru stem in 120mm that 
 looks pretty perfect. It’s 26.0, and having no rise should be slightly 
 longer in reality than its length number suggests. I’m hoping that the 
 wider clamp section will help it to grip the bars well too, despite the 
 single bolt. 


 On Monday 11 March 2024 at 03:33:24 UTC+10:30 Chris K wrote:

> Hey all, I've got some Ortho Bars in my cart and looking for stem 
> advice from those who use this bar. Obv there are multiple fit and frame 
> factors that play into something like this, but curious what people are 
> generally going with. Here are the options I'm deciding between:
>
> - Faceplater 110mm
> - Faceplater 135mm
> - Tallux 12cm
>
> Will the 110 Faceplater be too short?
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Ron's Ortho... stem question

[El Sapo]

Is a 1 bolt clamp is going to be adequate on the ortho? The options for 
mounting this bar are almost all troublesome. Oversized clamp with a shim? 
Faceplater that’s too short? Undersized clamp? Or the one bolt quill made 
for a road bike?

If you’re putting these bars on an 80’s MTN bike with a road bike style 
geometry frame. is it better to go longer like 130mm?

I’m that guy Grant tells to not overthink it. Matter of fact he did tell me 
that once already.


On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 5:57:12 PM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Someone better buy that Ritchey Force it's the perfect size and spiritual 
> aesthetic for the Orthos. 
>
> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 6:43:41 PM UTC-4 Jordan Rosenblum wrote:
>
>> Not unlike other folks, I found the width of the Ortho's demanded a 
>> longer stem than I use with Bosco and Tosco bars. Another option that I 
>> think sits somewhere between a face-plater and other single bolt stems are 
>> the Ritchey Force made by Nitto stems of the 90's, which you can 
>> occasionally find in even longer lengths. They are steel with a single 
>> bolt—and very pretty. The downside is that they don't have a ton of rise. 
>> As the poster above mentions, I have successfully used a Ritchey 25.4 clamp 
>> diameter stem with the 26.0 Ortho's, which were very secure—though I don't 
>> presume any knowledge of whether this is long-term safe. 
>>
>> I saw this post just as I was prepping a for-sale post of similar stems 
>> on another forum. If Chris or other folks are interested, the following are 
>> up for grabs, I am going to create a new post so that I don't derail the 
>> thread. These include a 120mm 25.4 faceplate stem, Ritchey 25.4 stems in 
>> 150 and 170mm(),  and a Ritchey 135mm, 26.0 (might be what you're 
>> looking for). Regardless, if you don't need a long steering column, I 
>> highly recommend the Ritchey Force stems if you can scrounge up the size 
>> that would work for you.
>>
>> Jordan in Portland, Oregon
>>
>> [image: IMG_6005.jpg]
>> [image: IMG_6011.jpg]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 1:39:02 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> For what it is worth Ron used 25.4 clamp size stems and claims & claims 
>>> they work great. Got to spread that clamp I guess.
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Mar 11, 2024, at 12:09 PM, El Sapo  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> Wish I would have understood the issues with the 26 mm handlebar clamp 
>>> prior to purchasing the Ortho Bar. No megusta.The pics posted by iamKeith 
>>> don’t show that his hair, beard, and hip vibe are much greater riding the 
>>> bike with ortho bars.
>>> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 7:50:27 AM UTC-7 Chris K wrote:
>>>
 Thank you all for the pics and advice! Very helpful.

 I'm putting these bars on a 1985 Trek 870. As Riv says on their 
 cardboard geo charts "don't obsess", but geometrically this old frame is 
 not terribly far off some Riv models, setting aside, of course, bb drop 
 and 
 stack (1985 Trek 870: 21.8" frame, 71º hta, 71.5º sta, 58.0 tt, 48.5 cs, 
 5.0 drop, 52.7 stack, 40.6 reach).

 My current set-up is Choco bars and an 8cm Dirt Drop. The height feels 
 fine, just slightly above saddle height, and the reach isn't bad either 
 but 
 could be ~1" longer. I'm fairly upright but can lean in and grip forward 
 as 
 needed. I just like the idea of more width and more flare.

 Are these details helpful? I'm maybe leaning toward the 135mm 
 Faceplater based on your replies, but that does seem long!
 On Sunday, March 10, 2024 at 5:48:02 PM UTC-6 Dan wrote:

> [image: IMG_9267.jpeg]I’ve got these bars lined up for my Appaloosa 
> build. 
> My local bike shop had a NOS Velo Orange Grand Cru stem in 120mm that 
> looks pretty perfect. It’s 26.0, and having no rise should be slightly 
> longer in reality than its length number suggests. I’m hoping that the 
> wider clamp section will help it to grip the bars well too, despite the 
> single bolt. 
>
>
> On Monday 11 March 2024 at 03:33:24 UTC+10:30 Chris K wrote:
>
>> Hey all, I've got some Ortho Bars in my cart and looking for stem 
>> advice from those who use this bar. Obv there are multiple fit and frame 
>> factors that play into something like this, but curious what people are 
>> generally going with. Here are the options I'm deciding between:
>>
>> - Faceplater 110mm
>> - Faceplater 135mm
>> - Tallux 12cm
>>
>> Will the 110 Faceplater be too short?
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Ron's Ortho... stem question

[Eric Marth]

Someone better buy that Ritchey Force it's the perfect size and spiritual 
aesthetic for the Orthos. 

On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 6:43:41 PM UTC-4 Jordan Rosenblum wrote:

> Not unlike other folks, I found the width of the Ortho's demanded a longer 
> stem than I use with Bosco and Tosco bars. Another option that I think sits 
> somewhere between a face-plater and other single bolt stems are the Ritchey 
> Force made by Nitto stems of the 90's, which you can occasionally find in 
> even longer lengths. They are steel with a single bolt—and very pretty. The 
> downside is that they don't have a ton of rise. As the poster above 
> mentions, I have successfully used a Ritchey 25.4 clamp diameter stem with 
> the 26.0 Ortho's, which were very secure—though I don't presume any 
> knowledge of whether this is long-term safe. 
>
> I saw this post just as I was prepping a for-sale post of similar stems on 
> another forum. If Chris or other folks are interested, the following are up 
> for grabs, I am going to create a new post so that I don't derail the 
> thread. These include a 120mm 25.4 faceplate stem, Ritchey 25.4 stems in 
> 150 and 170mm(),  and a Ritchey 135mm, 26.0 (might be what you're 
> looking for). Regardless, if you don't need a long steering column, I 
> highly recommend the Ritchey Force stems if you can scrounge up the size 
> that would work for you.
>
> Jordan in Portland, Oregon
>
> [image: IMG_6005.jpg]
> [image: IMG_6011.jpg]
>
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 1:39:02 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> For what it is worth Ron used 25.4 clamp size stems and claims & claims 
>> they work great. Got to spread that clamp I guess.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 11, 2024, at 12:09 PM, El Sapo  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> Wish I would have understood the issues with the 26 mm handlebar clamp 
>> prior to purchasing the Ortho Bar. No megusta.The pics posted by iamKeith 
>> don’t show that his hair, beard, and hip vibe are much greater riding the 
>> bike with ortho bars.
>> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 7:50:27 AM UTC-7 Chris K wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you all for the pics and advice! Very helpful.
>>>
>>> I'm putting these bars on a 1985 Trek 870. As Riv says on their 
>>> cardboard geo charts "don't obsess", but geometrically this old frame is 
>>> not terribly far off some Riv models, setting aside, of course, bb drop and 
>>> stack (1985 Trek 870: 21.8" frame, 71º hta, 71.5º sta, 58.0 tt, 48.5 cs, 
>>> 5.0 drop, 52.7 stack, 40.6 reach).
>>>
>>> My current set-up is Choco bars and an 8cm Dirt Drop. The height feels 
>>> fine, just slightly above saddle height, and the reach isn't bad either but 
>>> could be ~1" longer. I'm fairly upright but can lean in and grip forward as 
>>> needed. I just like the idea of more width and more flare.
>>>
>>> Are these details helpful? I'm maybe leaning toward the 135mm Faceplater 
>>> based on your replies, but that does seem long!
>>> On Sunday, March 10, 2024 at 5:48:02 PM UTC-6 Dan wrote:
>>>
 [image: IMG_9267.jpeg]I’ve got these bars lined up for my Appaloosa 
 build. 
 My local bike shop had a NOS Velo Orange Grand Cru stem in 120mm that 
 looks pretty perfect. It’s 26.0, and having no rise should be slightly 
 longer in reality than its length number suggests. I’m hoping that the 
 wider clamp section will help it to grip the bars well too, despite the 
 single bolt. 


 On Monday 11 March 2024 at 03:33:24 UTC+10:30 Chris K wrote:

> Hey all, I've got some Ortho Bars in my cart and looking for stem 
> advice from those who use this bar. Obv there are multiple fit and frame 
> factors that play into something like this, but curious what people are 
> generally going with. Here are the options I'm deciding between:
>
> - Faceplater 110mm
> - Faceplater 135mm
> - Tallux 12cm
>
> Will the 110 Faceplater be too short?
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Ron's Ortho... stem question

[Richard Rose]

For what it is worth Ron used 25.4 clamp size stems and claims & claims they work great. Got to spread that clamp I guess.Sent from my iPhoneOn Mar 11, 2024, at 12:09 PM, El Sapo  wrote:Wish I would have understood the issues with the 26 mm handlebar clamp prior to purchasing the Ortho Bar. No megusta.The pics posted by iamKeith don’t show that his hair, beard, and hip vibe are much greater riding the bike with ortho bars.On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 7:50:27 AM UTC-7 Chris K wrote:Thank you all for the pics and advice! Very helpful.I'm putting these bars on a 1985 Trek 870. As Riv says on their cardboard geo charts "don't obsess", but geometrically this old frame is not terribly far off some Riv models, setting aside, of course, bb drop and stack (1985 Trek 870: 21.8" frame, 71º hta, 71.5º sta, 58.0 tt, 48.5 cs, 5.0 drop, 52.7 stack, 40.6 reach).My current set-up is Choco bars and an 8cm Dirt Drop. The height feels fine, just slightly above saddle height, and the reach isn't bad either but could be ~1" longer. I'm fairly upright but can lean in and grip forward as needed. I just like the idea of more width and more flare.Are these details helpful? I'm maybe leaning toward the 135mm Faceplater based on your replies, but that does seem long!On Sunday, March 10, 2024 at 5:48:02 PM UTC-6 Dan wrote:I’ve got these bars lined up for my Appaloosa build. My local bike shop had a NOS Velo Orange Grand Cru stem in 120mm that looks pretty perfect. It’s 26.0, and having no rise should be slightly longer in reality than its length number suggests. I’m hoping that the wider clamp section will help it to grip the bars well too, despite the single bolt. On Monday 11 March 2024 at 03:33:24 UTC+10:30 Chris K wrote:Hey all, I've got some Ortho Bars in my cart and looking for stem advice from those who use this bar. Obv there are multiple fit and frame factors that play into something like this, but curious what people are generally going with. Here are the options I'm deciding between:- Faceplater 110mm- Faceplater 135mm- Tallux 12cmWill the 110 Faceplater be too short?



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[RBW] Re: Ron's Ortho... stem question

[El Sapo]

Wish I would have understood the issues with the 26 mm handlebar clamp 
prior to purchasing the Ortho Bar. No megusta.The pics posted by iamKeith 
don’t show that his hair, beard, and hip vibe are much greater riding the 
bike with ortho bars.
On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 7:50:27 AM UTC-7 Chris K wrote:

> Thank you all for the pics and advice! Very helpful.
>
> I'm putting these bars on a 1985 Trek 870. As Riv says on their cardboard 
> geo charts "don't obsess", but geometrically this old frame is not terribly 
> far off some Riv models, setting aside, of course, bb drop and stack (1985 
> Trek 870: 21.8" frame, 71º hta, 71.5º sta, 58.0 tt, 48.5 cs, 5.0 drop, 52.7 
> stack, 40.6 reach).
>
> My current set-up is Choco bars and an 8cm Dirt Drop. The height feels 
> fine, just slightly above saddle height, and the reach isn't bad either but 
> could be ~1" longer. I'm fairly upright but can lean in and grip forward as 
> needed. I just like the idea of more width and more flare.
>
> Are these details helpful? I'm maybe leaning toward the 135mm Faceplater 
> based on your replies, but that does seem long!
> On Sunday, March 10, 2024 at 5:48:02 PM UTC-6 Dan wrote:
>
>> [image: IMG_9267.jpeg]I’ve got these bars lined up for my Appaloosa 
>> build. 
>> My local bike shop had a NOS Velo Orange Grand Cru stem in 120mm that 
>> looks pretty perfect. It’s 26.0, and having no rise should be slightly 
>> longer in reality than its length number suggests. I’m hoping that the 
>> wider clamp section will help it to grip the bars well too, despite the 
>> single bolt. 
>>
>>
>> On Monday 11 March 2024 at 03:33:24 UTC+10:30 Chris K wrote:
>>
>>> Hey all, I've got some Ortho Bars in my cart and looking for stem advice 
>>> from those who use this bar. Obv there are multiple fit and frame factors 
>>> that play into something like this, but curious what people are generally 
>>> going with. Here are the options I'm deciding between:
>>>
>>> - Faceplater 110mm
>>> - Faceplater 135mm
>>> - Tallux 12cm
>>>
>>> Will the 110 Faceplater be too short?
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Ron's Ortho... stem question

[Chris K]

Thank you all for the pics and advice! Very helpful.

I'm putting these bars on a 1985 Trek 870. As Riv says on their cardboard 
geo charts "don't obsess", but geometrically this old frame is not terribly 
far off some Riv models, setting aside, of course, bb drop and stack (1985 
Trek 870: 21.8" frame, 71º hta, 71.5º sta, 58.0 tt, 48.5 cs, 5.0 drop, 52.7 
stack, 40.6 reach).

My current set-up is Choco bars and an 8cm Dirt Drop. The height feels 
fine, just slightly above saddle height, and the reach isn't bad either but 
could be ~1" longer. I'm fairly upright but can lean in and grip forward as 
needed. I just like the idea of more width and more flare.

Are these details helpful? I'm maybe leaning toward the 135mm Faceplater 
based on your replies, but that does seem long!
On Sunday, March 10, 2024 at 5:48:02 PM UTC-6 Dan wrote:

> [image: IMG_9267.jpeg]I’ve got these bars lined up for my Appaloosa 
> build. 
> My local bike shop had a NOS Velo Orange Grand Cru stem in 120mm that 
> looks pretty perfect. It’s 26.0, and having no rise should be slightly 
> longer in reality than its length number suggests. I’m hoping that the 
> wider clamp section will help it to grip the bars well too, despite the 
> single bolt. 
>
>
> On Monday 11 March 2024 at 03:33:24 UTC+10:30 Chris K wrote:
>
>> Hey all, I've got some Ortho Bars in my cart and looking for stem advice 
>> from those who use this bar. Obv there are multiple fit and frame factors 
>> that play into something like this, but curious what people are generally 
>> going with. Here are the options I'm deciding between:
>>
>> - Faceplater 110mm
>> - Faceplater 135mm
>> - Tallux 12cm
>>
>> Will the 110 Faceplater be too short?
>>
>

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