[RBW] Re: Thin Gripster alternatives?

[Adam Leibow]

+1 for deity black kat.

also, redline monster with replaceable pins. this is the fancy version: 
https://www.redlinebicycles.com/parts/pedals/redline-lo-profile-magnesium-platform-pedals.html

On Monday, December 2, 2019 at 9:55:47 AM UTC-8, Kieran J wrote:
>
> I have multiple sets of the VP Thin Gripster/VP-001. Great pedals but they 
> have all developed clicking noises in the bearings. Some of mine have 
> relatively low miles so I'm wondering about their longevity. I note that 
> RBW sells a bearing service kit but IMO it's too expensive.
>
> Have others experienced this? Did you service the pedals or replace them 
> with something else? If so, what?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Kieran
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Thin Gripster alternatives?

[Ron Mc]

I'll add that I have an issue with the VP pedals - they have an ersatz wide 
spot that cost me a sprained ankle before I replaced them.  At their widest 
point, they're wide for no reason except to strike the ground.  
The widest safe pedals I use are Race Face Atlas, with Blackspire Sub Four 
a close second.  

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[RBW] Re: Thin Gripster alternatives?

['jinxed' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Just wanted to throw my hat in the Race Face Chester ring. I've got the 
VP's on two bikes and though no real issues, I've had to tinker with them 
both. The Chesters have been great and get the most abuse and foul 
conditions being on my dedicated MTB. I did find them almost too grippy, 
but just kept taking pins out till they were juuust right. Nearly half I 
think.

I will admit to taking a real shine to some Spank Spyke pedals after giving 
them a test ride on Pondero's Bantam ADV bike. Something about the shape of 
the platform felt ever so slightly better to me. I didnt spend enough time 
scrutinizing the differences to my pedals to say what it was, but it felt 
more natural. Basically I didnt notice the pedal underfoot. But at @ $120 I 
could outfit every bike I have with chesters.

On Monday, December 2, 2019 at 10:55:47 AM UTC-7, Kieran J wrote:
>
> I have multiple sets of the VP Thin Gripster/VP-001. Great pedals but they 
> have all developed clicking noises in the bearings. Some of mine have 
> relatively low miles so I'm wondering about their longevity. I note that 
> RBW sells a bearing service kit but IMO it's too expensive.
>
> Have others experienced this? Did you service the pedals or replace them 
> with something else? If so, what?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Kieran
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Thin Gripster alternatives?

[Bruce Herbitter]

I rode our December Populaire (100KM) Saturday on my ‘95 Riv Road. One of the 
tricks I used to get the weight to 18.5 lbs is these very light pedals from JG 
Bike.  I really like them.  Plenty of weight distribution, good grip without 
pointy spikes messing up shoes, and very light. They have a titanium spindle 
and thin aluminum platform.  And CHEAP too.  I want to buy several for my other 
bikes but I can’t justify the waste of the pedals already on them. (V-O and 
MKS).

https://www.amazon.com/JGbike-Ultralight-Titanium-Aluminium-Non-Slip/dp/B07SZHRV5M

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>> On Dec 9, 2019, at 12:06 AM, masmojo  wrote:
> I find it curious that so many people have problems with pedals! I've had a 
> couple dozen different pedals & never problem one!? I  would expect a problem 
> for at least 5K miles. I regressed my old Shimano DX platform pedal many, 
> many years ago, but I  was doing 6,000 or so miles a year at that time & it 
> was my only bike 
> 
> I do prefer BMX platform pedals generally and they don't have to be fancy. As 
> others have said the Odessey Twisted pedals are a great buy. The Race Face 
> Chester's are also good. I've also used DK & Demolition pedals. I don't sweat 
> pedals too much, whatever looks good is fine with me. Don't think I'd ever 
> pay more than $90. For pedals & even that is a stretch.
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[RBW] Re: Thin Gripster alternatives?

[Joe Bernard]

I've never had much trouble with bearings and such, probably because I'm the 
least competitive rider you'll ever meet..I just cruise like a lowered Impala 
on Saturday night. But I'm WAY sensitive to how that connection feels and small 
just won't do. I want the full floorboard when I put my foot in it!  

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[RBW] Re: Thin Gripster alternatives?

[masmojo]

I find it curious that so many people have problems with pedals! I've had a 
couple dozen different pedals & never problem one!? I  would expect a problem 
for at least 5K miles. I regressed my old Shimano DX platform pedal many, many 
years ago, but I  was doing 6,000 or so miles a year at that time & it was my 
only bike 

I do prefer BMX platform pedals generally and they don't have to be fancy. As 
others have said the Odessey Twisted pedals are a great buy. The Race Face 
Chester's are also good. I've also used DK & Demolition pedals. I don't sweat 
pedals too much, whatever looks good is fine with me. Don't think I'd ever pay 
more than $90. For pedals & even that is a stretch.

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[RBW] Re: Thin Gripster alternatives?

[Kieran J]

Funny you mention that - I also have a pair of Vices (bought used) and they 
have been great. They are slightly thicker than the TGs but just as good 
otherwise. I always just assumed it was luck and that it was a matter of 
time before they started giving me problems too.

I might try the Wellgo B132 or the Xpedo Spry next. Thanks for all the 
input.

KJ
 

On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 5:29:43 PM UTC-8, Evan E. wrote:
>
> If anyone on this list is still considering VP pedals, you might want to 
> read this review from Rob Perks of Ocean Air Cycles:
>
> http://oceanaircycles.com/2013/04/22/vp-vice-and-001-pedal-comparison/
>
> The gist: VP Vice pedals have better bearings and a lower Q factor than do 
> the VP-001 pedals (aka Thin Gripsters). 
>
> BTW, I've been commuting on VP Vice pedals for three years now. I think 
> the left pedal just developed a click. I blame you, Kieran! :)
>

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[RBW] Re: Thin Gripster alternatives?

[Jim M.]

On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 5:29:43 PM UTC-8, Evan E. wrote:
>
> If anyone on this list is still considering VP pedals, you might want to 
> read this review from Rob Perks of Ocean Air Cycles:
>
> http://oceanaircycles.com/2013/04/22/vp-vice-and-001-pedal-comparison/
>
>
I've been using Thin Gripsters without a problem, but Rob's review 
convinced me. I was in need of pedals for the Clem I'm building, and I 
found the Vice for about $35. At first I thought the price was per pedal, 
but no, that's for two. So seems like a pretty good deal.

jim m
wc, ca 

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[RBW] Re: Thin Gripster alternatives?

[Evan E.]

If anyone on this list is still considering VP pedals, you might want to 
read this review from Rob Perks of Ocean Air Cycles:

http://oceanaircycles.com/2013/04/22/vp-vice-and-001-pedal-comparison/

The gist: VP Vice pedals have better bearings and a lower Q factor than do 
the VP-001 pedals (aka Thin Gripsters). 

BTW, I've been commuting on VP Vice pedals for three years now. I think the 
left pedal just developed a click. I blame you, Kieran! :)

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[RBW] Re: Thin Gripster alternatives?

[brendonoid]

Wow yeah this thread has got me scratching my head. Have the VPs on all my 
Rivs (the Homer since 2013?) and have never even had to look at them twice. 
The Homer is my commuter and has 20k kms at least on it.
I'm going to go check my pedals now...

On Saturday, 7 December 2019 11:33:12 UTC+8, Philip Williamson wrote:
>
> Huh. I’ve got multiple pairs of VP pedals and never had an issue. 
> I’ll check them. Maybe a strange intermittent “tick” on the Frances is the 
> pedal. 
>
> Thanks, 
> Philip 
> Santa Rosa, CA

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[RBW] Re: Thin Gripster alternatives?

[Philip Williamson]

Huh. I’ve got multiple pairs of VP pedals and never had an issue. 
I’ll check them. Maybe a strange intermittent “tick” on the Frances is the 
pedal.

Thanks,
Philip
Santa Rosa, CA

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[RBW] Re: Thin Gripster alternatives?

[James / Analog Cycles]

+1 on Joe's recommendation.  And not just cause I ride those pedals and own 
that shop.  Gripsters are tiny, and have tiny bearings.  Bigger pedals have 
better support.  Better pedals have smarter traction pins that can be 
removed if the head is damaged.  Better pedals have more bearings, and 
don't need anything wacky to service them.  Black Kats are not expensive, 
they just are not cheap.  If you wanna check out an expensive pedal, check 
out the DMR Vaults or the Chromag Scarabs, which are also great pedals.  
Black Kats are 34% larger, surface area wise, than a gripster.  That means 
you can wear super floppy shoes and still have great support.  

Lastly, like Riv, Deity is a rider owned company (hey, Analog is too!), and 
it's small.  They deserve support.  VP is not a small company.  So if you 
wanna support the small innovators, this is a fine place to do so.

-james / analog cycles


On Monday, December 2, 2019 at 12:55:47 PM UTC-5, Kieran J wrote:
>
> I have multiple sets of the VP Thin Gripster/VP-001. Great pedals but they 
> have all developed clicking noises in the bearings. Some of mine have 
> relatively low miles so I'm wondering about their longevity. I note that 
> RBW sells a bearing service kit but IMO it's too expensive.
>
> Have others experienced this? Did you service the pedals or replace them 
> with something else? If so, what?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Kieran
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Thin Gripster alternatives?

[Mike Packard]

I think plastic (nylon?) pedals grip better without resorting to 
scrapey/stabby pegs, especially when wet. I have a pair of Odyssey Twisted 
pedals I got used 5 years ago and they still work great. They come in a 
lots of colors and every bike shop has them for ~$20. 

Mike 
Austin TX


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[RBW] Re: Thin Gripster alternatives?

[John Phillips]

   I forgot to add that I always check and grease new pedals before they go 
on a bike. I rarely find brand new pedals have enough grease inside.

For good, cheap pedals, I like the OneUp composite pedals for around 
$49.00. 

 John

On Tuesday, December 3, 2019 at 11:43:36 AM UTC-8, John Phillips wrote:
>
>   I like the OneUp composite and aluminum pedals, Chromag Scarabs & DMR 
> Vaults.
>
> John
>

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[RBW] Re: Thin Gripster alternatives?

[Tim Bantham]

There are two pedals that I use and like both of them. The Diety Black Cat 
and the Spank Oozy Trail. I like the Spanks slightly better. Check out this 
great post from Analog to get the complete overview of pedal options. 

https://www.analogcycles.com/pedals-the-forgotten-touch-point/

On Monday, December 2, 2019 at 12:55:47 PM UTC-5, Kieran J wrote:
>
> I have multiple sets of the VP Thin Gripster/VP-001. Great pedals but they 
> have all developed clicking noises in the bearings. Some of mine have 
> relatively low miles so I'm wondering about their longevity. I note that 
> RBW sells a bearing service kit but IMO it's too expensive.
>
> Have others experienced this? Did you service the pedals or replace them 
> with something else? If so, what?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Kieran
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Thin Gripster alternatives?

[ctifusion]

I'm glad you mentioned this. The VPs are bad pedals, mine started making 
noise almost immediately. Can't have 500 miles on them and they're shot. 
Especially given that I have 1000s of miles on multiple sets of Wellgo B132 
pedals.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Wellgo-B132-Downhill-DH-Mountain-Bike-Platform-MTB-Pedals-w-Replaceable-Pins/291309868321?epid=1224634799=item43d36bd521:g:iJMAAMXQ9u1RExHO

I've been using those RaceFace Chester pedals lately. They are so sturdy, 
great platform, and I dig the composite look and all the colors.

Brynnar

On Monday, December 2, 2019 at 12:55:47 PM UTC-5, Kieran J wrote:
>
> I have multiple sets of the VP Thin Gripster/VP-001. Great pedals but they 
> have all developed clicking noises in the bearings. Some of mine have 
> relatively low miles so I'm wondering about their longevity. I note that 
> RBW sells a bearing service kit but IMO it's too expensive.
>
> Have others experienced this? Did you service the pedals or replace them 
> with something else? If so, what?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Kieran
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Thin Gripster alternatives?

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Pretty sure Catalyst pedals are rebranded VP's after being on the 
stretching rack, so if you have issues with the VP's, you'll likely with 
the Catalyst as well.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Thin Gripster alternatives?

[M Talley]

I second the Shimano platform pedal products. Specifically the 
non-series PD-GR500. These like the Saint MX80 model have Shimano's 
spindle/bearing cartridges with a pretty good track record. They are only 
slightly thicker than most of the thin pedals on the market but worth it 
for the durability.
Mark

On Monday, December 2, 2019 at 12:55:47 PM UTC-5, Kieran J wrote:
>
> I have multiple sets of the VP Thin Gripster/VP-001. Great pedals but they 
> have all developed clicking noises in the bearings. Some of mine have 
> relatively low miles so I'm wondering about their longevity. I note that 
> RBW sells a bearing service kit but IMO it's too expensive.
>
> Have others experienced this? Did you service the pedals or replace them 
> with something else? If so, what?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Kieran
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Thin Gripster alternatives?

[Sean Steinle]

I really love my MKS Allways pedals. Good grip, nice profile, and super 
smooth sealed bearings. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hmltrz9xfXI

Need I say more?

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[RBW] Re: Thin Gripster alternatives?

[John Phillips]

Also the Pedaling Innovations Catalyst pedals, which I haven't given me any 
mechanical problems. I really like their size and the whole mid foot 
pedaling thing.

John

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[RBW] Re: Thin Gripster alternatives?

[John Phillips]

  I like the OneUp composite and aluminum pedals, Chromag Scarabs & DMR 
Vaults.

John

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[RBW] Re: Thin Gripster alternatives?

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Oh, and being this is winter, if you're a nutter riding in the snow, the 
MKS Touring pedal is brilliant. Pressure on the pedal actually clears snow 
and increases grip rather than thickening the ice layer underfoot to the 
point the pins are "gone." Ask me how I know. Grin.

With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] Re: Thin Gripster alternatives?

[Leah Peterson]

DP, that was funny.  

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> On Dec 2, 2019, at 1:16 PM, 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> To rapidly learn the Dorothy Method, wear sandals. Grin. (I'm serious).
> 
> With abandon,
> Patrick
> 
>> On Monday, December 2, 2019 at 1:53:15 PM UTC-7, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>> Dorothy, you’re right, and that’s what I need to get in the habit of doing. 
>> I don’t want to put more money into my bike. And the pedals I have look 
>> great, so I will adapt. Thanks - I’m implementing the Dorothy Method 
>> forthwith! ❤️
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[RBW] Re: Thin Gripster alternatives?

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

To rapidly learn the Dorothy Method, wear sandals. Grin. (I'm serious).

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, December 2, 2019 at 1:53:15 PM UTC-7, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> Dorothy, you’re right, and that’s what I need to get in the habit of 
> doing. I don’t want to put more money into my bike. And the pedals I have 
> look great, so I will adapt. Thanks - I’m implementing the Dorothy Method 
> forthwith! ❤️

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[RBW] Re: Thin Gripster alternatives?

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Dorothy, you’re right, and that’s what I need to get in the habit of doing. I 
don’t want to put more money into my bike. And the pedals I have look great, so 
I will adapt. Thanks - I’m implementing the Dorothy Method forthwith! ❤️

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[RBW] Re: Thin Gripster alternatives?

[Dorothy C]

Leah, you mention the pins chew up your boots. I don’t lift the pedal to 2 o 
clock with the top of my foot, rather just press firmly on the pedal and kick 
the pedal forewards. The pins provide enough grip with my Kodiak boots. 
Apologies if you are already doing this and it is the sole of your boots that 
is getting damaged. 

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[RBW] Re: Thin Gripster alternatives?

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Six months was the max life of my multiple VP's (2-4 more common) before 
bearings needed fixing. I'm hard on pedals, between mountain riding (rocks 
and roots, high torque climbing), fixed gear (yet more torque and increased 
pedal strikes), and riding in all weathers. Multiple experiments later I've 
settled on MKS sealed bearings. I'm partial to their touring pedal (which 
means the Next version), but their AllWays and Urban Platform (with toe 
clips or cages) also fit the bill. For fixed gear, I've gone without any 
foot retention. It's just too fussy and wears out and gets bashed, and it 
doesn't works with Sorel winter boots. THe cup and cone bearing MKS pedals 
are great, but require rebuilding every six months in my experience.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, December 2, 2019 at 10:55:47 AM UTC-7, Kieran J wrote:
>
> I have multiple sets of the VP Thin Gripster/VP-001. Great pedals but they 
> have all developed clicking noises in the bearings. Some of mine have 
> relatively low miles so I'm wondering about their longevity. I note that 
> RBW sells a bearing service kit but IMO it's too expensive.
>
> Have others experienced this? Did you service the pedals or replace them 
> with something else? If so, what?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Kieran
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Thin Gripster alternatives?

[Garth]

Oh sheesh these too  
https://www.performancebike.com/crankbrothers-stamp-1-platform-pedals-turquoise-l-16386/p983900?v=969098

Adjustable pins and 2 sizes .

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[RBW] Re: Thin Gripster alternatives?

[Garth]

The traction pins are adjustable from the opposite side. Here's a review I 
found https://www.mbr.co.uk/reviews/pedals-products/race-face-chester

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[RBW] Re: Thin Gripster alternatives?

[Garth]

For Leah, there is only pedal I can think of for you .. Race Face 
Chester in Turquoise 



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[RBW] Re: Thin Gripster alternatives?

[Garth]

I ride on the VP Vice, which uses a longer length axle than the 001 for 
more support. I always add some grease to any pedal I buy. The 2 pair I 
have been perfect. 

It also uses a combo of the grub(like the 001) and M4 bolts which insert 
from the other side and are adjustable. The M4 bolts alone work just fine. 

Here's an article I found that I saw before I bought mine  
http://oceanaircycles.com/2013/04/22/vp-vice-and-001-pedal-comparison/


Bearing durability is so dependent on the rider and all that comes with 
it,  that statistics don't mean anything. 


On Monday, December 2, 2019 at 12:55:47 PM UTC-5, Kieran J wrote:
>
> I have multiple sets of the VP Thin Gripster/VP-001. Great pedals but they 
> have all developed clicking noises in the bearings. Some of mine have 
> relatively low miles so I'm wondering about their longevity. I note that 
> RBW sells a bearing service kit but IMO it's too expensive.
>
> Have others experienced this? Did you service the pedals or replace them 
> with something else? If so, what?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Kieran
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Thin Gripster alternatives?

[Wally Estrella]

Pedals with BEARINGS and replacement kits are nice to have available.  I've 
'burned' through an expensive set of Crank Bros Stamp 7s on my fat bike.  
In just about a year I now have to dish out $25 for rebuild kit. ACK! ACK! 
ACK!

Joe, thanks for the link to those Deitys. I'm interested in a pair now :)

On Monday, December 2, 2019 at 1:48:04 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> They do have little spikes but not as many, and I remove a few anyway..I 
> don't like the super-stuck-in feel of a bunch of spikes. And yes they're 
> spendy but that connection on the bike is the difference between loving and 
> not loving riding for me, so I pays my money. Plus..pretty colors!

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