On Oct 21, 2:06 pm, John Speare wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 12:46 PM, cyclotour...@gmail.com
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> wrote:
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> > Downside is I have some real nice XTR Ti cassettes in 8spd on
> > different wheelsets.
> > Maybe when I grind 'em down to nubs some day...
>
> Well. Let me help you out. Go ahead a
The industry will say anything to promote their goods. They'll
say hey , we gotta cut costs, so we're just going to make 10
speed stuff only. Code for ... we can make more money. They are not
hurting making 7, 9 or 9 speed stuff.
The hard thing may be getting hubs. The aftermarket will have t
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 12:46 PM, cyclotour...@gmail.com
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>
>
> Downside is I have some real nice XTR Ti cassettes in 8spd on
> different wheelsets.
> Maybe when I grind 'em down to nubs some day...
>
Well. Let me help you out. Go ahead and send those out-dated XTR
8speed ti cassettes to
Steve, your assertion (sadly accurate as it may be) that "everybody's
moving to 10 speed or higher" only strengthens my resolve to never
give in to this madness, and not only will they be prying my dead
fingers off my 7-speed freewheel when they bury me, I'd like my
tombstone to read "MY 10-speed i
On Thu, 2010-10-21 at 12:46 -0700, cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
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> On Oct 21, 12:16 pm, Steve Palincsar wrote:
> > On Thu, 2010-10-21 at 10:07 -0700, cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > > Thinking about converting my 8 speed to 9 as I like the cassette
> > > options w/ 34T cogs that it offers
On Oct 21, 12:16 pm, Steve Palincsar wrote:
> On Thu, 2010-10-21 at 10:07 -0700, cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > Thinking about converting my 8 speed to 9 as I like the cassette
> > options w/ 34T cogs that it offers. 9 speed seems to be pretty proved
> > and I do use index shifting. Deci
On Thu, 2010-10-21 at 10:07 -0700, cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
> I was pleasantly surprised that my LBS sells 8 speed SRAM chains for
> pretty much the same as mail order prices.
>
> Yeah, I should get a couple more...
>
> Thinking about converting my 8 speed to 9 as I like the cassette
> optio
On Thu, 2010-10-21 at 13:36 -0400, Seth Vidal wrote:
> Is there any effective difference between a shimano hg40, 50 or 70 cassette?
The HG50 are black, the HG70 silver. That's a big (cosmetic) difference
right there, and it matters a lot to some people. Functionally, I'm not
so sure. Personall
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 1:07 PM, cyclotour...@gmail.com
wrote:
> I was pleasantly surprised that my LBS sells 8 speed SRAM chains for
> pretty much the same as mail order prices.
>
> Yeah, I should get a couple more...
>
> Thinking about converting my 8 speed to 9 as I like the cassette
> options
I was pleasantly surprised that my LBS sells 8 speed SRAM chains for
pretty much the same as mail order prices.
Yeah, I should get a couple more...
Thinking about converting my 8 speed to 9 as I like the cassette
options w/ 34T cogs that it offers. 9 speed seems to be pretty proved
and I do use
Currently you can get 8 speed chains and cassettes pretty cheap
through a couple of sources. I think I'll stock up. But first, a bike
ride on this beautiful fall day, the last before the rain begins.
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After reading this again I realize I am coming off as a shill for
Nashbar, sorry not my intent. I'd rather buy from RWB and I am glad
they are including a "econo" derailleur option.
On Oct 20, 9:09 pm, RoadieRyan wrote:
> Grant appears to be using their Mountain RD which is 8/9, which
> Nashbar
I wore out the pivot assembly on an XTR M95x. The upper pully was
grinding on the cassette no matter what I did. $25 and 20 minutes
later, the new pivot spring brought it back to life.
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Grant appears to be using their Mountain RD which is 8/9, which
Nashbar stocks too. Nashbar also sells a Microshift 10 speed road
group with an RD per their site
"The Nashbar 10 speed short cage rear derailleur has a total teeth
capacity of 29T and a max rear sprocket size of 27T. 2:1 pull ratio
on 10/20/10 2:28 PM, doug peterson at dougpn...@cox.net wrote:
> All this talk about longevity me thinking: How long does a rear
> derailer last?
I've worn out a couple - an old "Deer Head" Deore which was the original on
my '83 Montare mtb. Towards the end, you could actually feel the slop as
I see this as a reaction against the big players (Shim, Camp, and
Sram). I believe there was a posting on the site that said it wouldnt
be too long before everything was 10 speed and 10 speed doesnt play
well with others. I think going to a smaller company who is looking to
be a player and working
On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 14:31 -0700, Eric Norris wrote:
> I've never worn out a rear derailleur, although I have had to replace
> jockey pulleys.
I wore out -- as in, it became very sloppy and shifting became imprecise
-- a Shimano Titlist GS in a couple of years back around 1974. I
replaced it wit
I've never worn out a rear derailleur, although I have had to replace jockey
pulleys. Classic Campagnolo derailleurs, with bronze bushings, will last for
decades (I have a 1972 rear der that I'm still using). Modern indexed systems
have less tolerance for wear and may not last as long, but kept
All this talk about longevity me thinking: How long does a rear
derailer last? Since the RD gets used the most, is hanging in the
breeze, and has constantly moving parts, it should wear out sooner
than anything else (excepting tires & brakes). The RD on my Atlantis
is the original from early '03
Grant just posted a follow up post with the installation of the
aforementioned Microshift "groupo" on his Hilsen.
They look nice from afar... the key question as Jim mentions... will
they still work good a couple of years down the road/trail. Like
everything testing and use will tell us more about
on 10/19/10 8:26 AM, Peter Pesce at petepe...@gmail.com wrote:
> I can't say I understand the need for this either?
> I must be missing something - what does this stuff do that low end
> Shimano wouldn't do?
>
> I can understand Riv selling low-end thumb shifters, because there's a
> big leap fro
On Tue, 2010-10-19 at 12:00 -0700, bfd wrote:
> That's always been Grant/Riv's thing, buy a $3K+ custom frame then put
> on zip ties or use low end components like those $24 single pivot
> brakes with no q/r he use to sell.
I remember those brakes. They had plenty of reach and clearance, and
this
On Tue, 2010-10-19 at 12:42 -0700, Garth wrote:
> 7 speed cassette stuff became hard to find,
As far as I know, every gearing combination originally available for 7
speed cassettes is still available, although it's true the HG70s have
been discontinued. 7 is more widely available than 8: in the w
You could see this coming from Shimano like a freight train on a
moonless night. 7 speed cassette stuff became hard to find, then they
only offered the cassettes in black. Their 8sp. cs selection has
shrunk.
But hey ,there will be a market for the 8 and 9sp. stuff. While many
have updrage-itis, m
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:04 PM, Beth H wrote:
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> Here's a little more reality for you:
>
> I spoke with a very knowledgable wholsale rep yesterday who told me
> that we should expect to see all things 8-speed fade away in perhaps
> two to three years. This is because of Mountain 10 drivetrains
Beth:
Thank you for sharing your info from within the bike biz. It has the
cold ring of reality. Since my now 7+ year old Atlantis is my only 8
speed bike, and everything else around here is 7, I'm stocking up on
chains. I've been collecting 7 & 8 speed cassettes off the close out
table for qui
Here's a little more reality for you:
I spoke with a very knowledgable wholsale rep yesterday who told me
that we should expect to see all things 8-speed fade away in perhaps
two to three years. This is because of Mountain 10 drivetrains (10 x 2
or 10 x 3), which use basically the same components
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 3:00 PM, bfd wrote:
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>
> On Oct 19, 10:03 am, Johnny Alien wrote:
>> I'm sure it's fine but I personally don't see the need to go super
>> cheap on a component that I am buying for a $1500 + frame. Seems a
>> little backwards.
>
> That's always been Grant/Riv's thing, bu
On Oct 19, 10:03 am, Johnny Alien wrote:
> I'm sure it's fine but I personally don't see the need to go super
> cheap on a component that I am buying for a $1500 + frame. Seems a
> little backwards.
That's always been Grant/Riv's thing, buy a $3K+ custom frame then put
on zip ties or use low e
I think looking at other derailers is the direct result of what Grant
wrote on 2 October (knothole):
"So we're planning for that inevitable and maybe even imminent
extinction [of <10 speed]"
And I agree with MKahrl, that how well a rear derailer works with any
sort of indexing shifter is pretty
On Tue, 2010-10-19 at 11:06 -0700, Peter Pesce wrote:
> Also, If their philosophy is to provide things that otherwise wouldn't
> be available if they didn't make them, which I think is an awesome
> mission statement, I don't see where cheap derailers fit in. The work
> will always be full of them.
On Tue, 2010-10-19 at 07:18 -0700, James Warren wrote:
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> As long as I can use index bar-end shifters in 9 rear and friction
> front and use a largest cog of 34T, I don't care what brand it says on
> the derailleur.
>
And if Shimano is no longer interested in supporting 9 speed shifters,
it's n
I agree, and I can can't see how it helps Riv's brand perception to be
selling the cheapest and/or highest margin stuff out there.
I actually don't see why they have to sell derailers at all.
Also, If their philosophy is to provide things that otherwise wouldn't
be available if they didn't make the
I'm sure it's fine but I personally don't see the need to go super
cheap on a component that I am buying for a $1500 + frame. Seems a
little backwards.
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Agree, besides fluctuation of the yen, another reason might be profit
margin. That Shimano RD might retail for $30, but cost Riv $20. In
contrast, the Microshift RD might also retail for $30, but cost Riv
only $12. If that's the case, can you blame Riv for sourcing the
cheaper derailleur when it do
We may be seeing the effect of currency fluctuations. Grant has
commented that the steady upward trend of the yen is a headache.
Speculation on my part but perhaps a decent quality Shimano RD for $30
won't be around much longer? Or Riv feels the need for 2 sources of
supply? As to quality, with
I can't say I understand the need for this either?
I must be missing something - what does this stuff do that low end
Shimano wouldn't do?
I can understand Riv selling low-end thumb shifters, because there's a
big leap from $16 to $150+ for DuraAce/Thumbies.
But a low end Alivio or something rear
kinda partial to 7 or 8 speed myself. I have one bike set up with 10
speed campy index bar ends and an 8 speed XTR cassette... works great.
funy thing to me is they all say max 28T cassette, even the long cage
ones. Whats up wit dat?
~Mike~
On Oct 19, 7:18 am, James Warren wrote:
> As long as I
As long as I can use index bar-end shifters in 9 rear and friction front and
use a largest cog of 34T, I don't care what brand it says on the derailleur.
On Oct 19, 2010, at 7:04 AM, Seth Vidal wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 10:00 AM, MKahrl wrote:
>> Most of the discussion on other forums
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 10:00 AM, MKahrl wrote:
> Most of the discussion on other forums about Microshift centers on how
> well the brifters work and how well the rear derailers work with other
> manufacturer's brifters. From RBW's point of view (and mine) these
> concerns are meaningless since w
Most of the discussion on other forums about Microshift centers on how
well the brifters work and how well the rear derailers work with other
manufacturer's brifters. From RBW's point of view (and mine) these
concerns are meaningless since we use friction shifters. I have not
found anything to in
But if the other option is to offer only 9 or 10 speed, maybe going to
a different brand will be necessary. While 9 speed derailers will
work with older technology, unsure if 10 speed will do the same. Or
11 speed for that matter.
>From looking through the Microshift website, didn't see anything
I certainly wouldn't dispute Grant's observation that there are times
when we need to compromise for the sake of economy, but when you don't
have to, don't.
This summer I converted my Ram to a CD with an 11-28 cassette and then
put the new Shimano 6700RD on there. It replaced a mid-range Centaur
On Tue, 2010-10-19 at 04:48 -0700, Johnny Alien wrote:
> > I think Microshift makes the dérailleurs and shifters that Nashbar and
> > others rebadge.
>
> This is true. I have not heard fantastic things I am a little shocked
> they will be carrying them.
I guess the real question is, how much of
> I think Microshift makes the dérailleurs and shifters that Nashbar and
> others rebadge.
This is true. I have not heard fantastic things I am a little shocked
they will be carrying them.
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I don't get the short cage dérailleur that's the same as a long cage?
I think something got lost in translation.
I think Microshift makes the dérailleurs and shifters that Nashbar and
others rebadge.
Personally I still swear by my Suntour stuff.
~Mike~
On Oct 18, 8:54 pm, Seth Vidal wrote:
> Ju
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