Beth,
I ran a shop for ten years. Not bemoaning others' co-op of Riv-esqueness,
it's much better a paradigm for the run of the mill cyclist. It was the
non-bikers (MBAs) in the big outfits escalating the demands on the dealers
to the point of earmarking all your future open to buy (from other
The font they use for the name on the downtube is an instant turn-off
for me.
Fortunately that name and perceived negative association their marketing
holds, are easily removed.
I commute on an LHT that most sufficiently met my set of needs and wants
when I bought it from a shop that
I commute on an LHT that most sufficiently met my set of needs and wants
when I bought it from a shop that hasn't transacted its soul for a
corporate brand floor plan. Had I given up and picked one of the big
brands' scant offerings in that vein, I'd be a corporate handmaiden of
marketing
Headbadge? The one on my crosscheck was a puffy sticker. (Nice quality
sticker, but not a headbadge.)
Headbadge and stickers were easy enough to remove. They're applied w/out
top coat on the crosscheck, probably that way with other models, too.
On Wednesday, October 22, 2014 9:52:53 PM
My Long Haul Trucker also has a puffy sticker for a headbadge, and it and
the other stickers are easy to remove should one be so inclined.
On Thursday, October 23, 2014 10:26:49 AM UTC-4, Shoji Takahashi wrote:
Headbadge? The one on my crosscheck was a puffy sticker. (Nice quality
sticker,
Faux-badge???
On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 7:44 AM, WETH erlhous...@gmail.com wrote:
My Long Haul Trucker also has a puffy sticker for a headbadge, and it and
the other stickers are easy to remove should one be so inclined.
On Thursday, October 23, 2014 10:26:49 AM UTC-4, Shoji Takahashi wrote:
Andy and others who bemoan the selling out of the Rivendell ideal -- have
you ever owned a bike shop and been responsible for the care and feeding of
your workers? Just curious. I used to co-own a shop, and had to make
payroll twice a month. In the end high ideals won't put food on your
Hear Hear, I recently bought a Soma Grand Randonneur to replace my bombadil
and have to say I am very happy with the frame (haven't built it yet).
Tight welds, nice thick paint, nice alloy headbadge, threading for fenders,
lowrider mounts, double eyelets on the dropouts, etc. Its a great frame,
The best Faux-Badge of all time is the one Mike Varley puts on his Black
Mountain bikes. The sticker has screw heads as part of the artwork. It's
rad! If Mike Varley ever does a Randonneuse he should do a sticker that
has brushstrokes so it looks hand-painted like a Herse!
On Thursday,
Surly used to use cockroaches on their website as part of their branding.
It was an instant turn-off for me. Horses for courses!
On Friday, October 17, 2014 8:26:19 AM UTC-7, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
wrote:
I find that the Surly/Riv overlap is pretty small. It seems like only 3
Surly
On 10/22/2014 06:35 PM, Cecily Walker wrote:
Surly used to use cockroaches on their website as part of their
branding. It was an instant turn-off for me.
The font they use for the name on the downtube is an instant turn-off
for me.
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I've got two. Dandy steel bikes, 10,000 happy miles on one of them. No roaches
on mine.
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Surly has an actual headbadge, that should mitigate their font choice some.
On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 6:37 PM, Rod Holland rholland1...@gmail.com wrote:
I've got two. Dandy steel bikes, 10,000 happy miles on one of them. No
roaches on mine.
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Still waiting for Waterford and Gunnar to have proper headbadges...
On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 6:52 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com
wrote:
Surly has an actual headbadge, that should mitigate their font choice some.
On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 6:37 PM, Rod Holland rholland1...@gmail.com
On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 11:31 AM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:
Who else (i.e., large manufacturers with a presence in local bike shops)
is even making touring bikes -- not cyclocross bikes -- these days? Used
to be, the big names were Cannondale Trek but Cannondale left the
I find that the Surly/Riv overlap is pretty small. It seems like only 3 Surly
models have a comparable Riv analog. Much of Surly's line is more or less
unique to Surly, or was unique when first introduced. That said, the two brands
share a lot of similar ideas about versatility, tire clearance,
It's funny about Surly's image, though. Surly has an enormous presence
in the long distance bike touring community. If you ride one of the
big Adventure Cycling routes, maybe one in four or one in five bikes
is a Surly LHT: you find them at every campsite. And most of these
riders do not seem
On 10/17/2014 12:10 PM, Anne Paulson wrote:
It's funny about Surly's image, though. Surly has an enormous presence
in the long distance bike touring community. If you ride one of the
big Adventure Cycling routes, maybe one in four or one in five bikes
is a Surly LHT: you find them at every
My experience agrees with Anne's that the LHT is probably the most common
bike model seen on bike touring routes (Cross-check is also common). Jamis
and Novara, and perhaps others, also market some of their bikes for
touring-ish activities. Also, I usually encounter some European person or
There was a Jamis booth at our recent San Antonio Siclovia. I was very
disappointed they only brought out towne fixies - I wanted to see one of
their touring bikes.
On Friday, October 17, 2014 1:48:00 PM UTC-5, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
wrote:
My experience agrees with Anne's that the
Bruce, that post was why sarcasm on the internet never works (in the long
run it damages relationships Sarcasm transliterates putrefying thought and
that's what it does - it plants a thought that grows worse with time).
Hope you're not stinging too bad. Surly gets my vote over the mass market
I love that they have jerseys, etc. that are designed for women, even
though they wouldn't fit me. It's too bad - I really wanted that Long Haul
Trucker t-shirt with the woman hauling all the stuff.
I have a love-hate (mostly hate) relationship with Surly's marketing, but
to my mind, they've
I am so glad that Rivendell invented the following:
- Horizontal top tubes
- Gently sloping top tubes
- Lugs
- Braze ons
- Nitto components
- Wool
- Stripes
- Chambray
- Plaid
- Baskets
- Contrarianism
- seat head tube angles
- Platform pedals
I feel blessed to be able to bask in the light of
Oh, just shut up and drink the Kool-aid already!
On Wednesday, October 15, 2014 9:18:05 AM UTC-4, justin...@gmail.com wrote:
I am so glad that Rivendell invented the following:
- Horizontal top tubes
- Gently sloping top tubes
- Lugs
- Braze ons
- Nitto components
- Wool
- Stripes
-
I take it you mean this rather tongue-in-cheek . . lol :) In
appreciation of .
On Wednesday, October 15, 2014 9:18:05 AM UTC-4, justin...@gmail.com wrote:
I am so glad that Rivendell invented the following:
- Horizontal top tubes
- Gently sloping top tubes
- Lugs
- Braze ons
-
Rivendell didn't invent them
http://blog.training4cyclist.netdna-cdn.com/pictures/timetrial.jpg
they just stuck with them
On Wednesday, October 15, 2014 8:18:05 AM UTC-5, justin...@gmail.com wrote:
I am so glad that Rivendell invented the following:
- Horizontal top tubes
- Gently sloping
I wish Surly would make a 2.2 version of the Knard. I've read a lot of
really positive reviews and comments on the tire and now there is even a
41mm version. However, 40mm tires are now skinny to me (my current bike
will easily fit them) and I'm working on getting a bike that will take true
Rivendell didn't invent wool, they invented sheep!
;-P
On Wednesday, October 15, 2014 6:18:05 AM UTC-7, justin...@gmail.com wrote:
I am so glad that Rivendell invented the following:
- Horizontal top tubes
- Gently sloping top tubes
- Lugs
- Braze ons
- Nitto components
- Wool
-
and the process for making steel, I believe its called the Grant-Bessemer
Process [?]
On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 1:39 PM, Bill Lindsay tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:
Rivendell didn't invent wool, they invented sheep!
;-P
On Wednesday, October 15, 2014 6:18:05 AM UTC-7, justin...@gmail.com
Silly of me, its called the Petersen-Bessemer Process duh!
On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 1:59 PM, Goshen Peter uscpeter11...@gmail.com
wrote:
and the process for making steel, I believe its called the Grant-Bessemer
Process [?]
On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 1:39 PM, Bill Lindsay tapebu...@gmail.com
Well I never said that Rivendell invented that stuff, it looks so familiar
to what Riv is doing. I guess it's just a matter of taste and I now prefer
the Riv over the Surly. I wouldn't say that the Police or The Rolling
Stones invented music, drums or reggae music but I prefer them over
I am not remotely disappointed in Surly. Their wool stuff looks great.
And they have jerseys designed for women!
Ibex sold striped wool shirts before Rivendell. Doesn't mean that
Rivendell is a bad yucky copycat; just means that people like wool
shirts with stripes.
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 8:55
Anne: did you ever write up a review of the Knard? Whether so or no, I'd be
interested to learn how it handles and how it rides over soft and rough
ground, compared to the Atlantis or any other ~2 tired bike you've ridden.
Actually, I'm most interested in learning how 3 tires differ on soft and
On Monday, October 13, 2014 9:37:19 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
They still get big credit for posting this:
http://surlybikes.com/blog/post/some_answers_to_just_about_any_bike_forum_post_ive_ever_read
If the sandal fits sounds like some other Co. I know
On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 12:20:28 PM UTC-7, Mike wrote:
On Monday, October 13, 2014 9:37:19 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
They still get big credit for posting this:
So I finally looked at the post, and at some of Surly's goods and
these look interesting:
http://surlybikes.com/gear/pants/pants
says the stated 34 inseam are longer than any 36 they've seen. That
sounds interesting to me as I wear a 36-38 inseam depending on
manufacturer.
Anyone else try
From Surly's site:
*People who ride a lot sometimes like pants. Our WorkRide pants are made of
medium-weight all cotton duck cloth. They’re durable, roomy and comfy.
We’ve done a few things to make them riding pants instead of just pants you
can ride in. First, we altered the seam structure in
Hey Bruce,
You just brought up a long term debate in this group Riv Vs Surly...as much as
I love Riv I recognize that they didn't reinvent the bike, but have promoted an
ethos I agree with as I know you do. I subscribe to the idea that the more
selection the better whether in bicycles or
I haven't put a 2 tire on my Atlantis. The widest I've put is 1.7.
But so far I LOVE the Knards. They stick to anything. (Supposedly they
are subpar in mud. We're in a drought, so I can't speak to that.) They
have way better traction than anything else I've ridden.
I took a beginner's mountain
We on this list think that steel bikes are great, that the bike
industry in general places too much emphasis on racing, that wool
shirts are a good riding alternative to synthetic bike jerseys, that
bikes should fit wide tires.
So... when a bike company makes steel bikes that fit wide tires,
Thanks; interesting and useful information to tuck away (until I have more
$). but generally, I see that fatter = fewer worries about obstacles, which
fits my own experience up to 65 mm wide. My Fargo, alas, will not (I am
told) fit Knards.
So, for my castle in the air, the decision is: a custom
Though there is the option of a new fork by Chauncey for the Fargo, which
I've been contemplating in the hope that it might improve the Fargo's
sluggish turn in; ... Knard in front, 29er knobby in rear ...
On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 6:27 PM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks;
Patrick you can have your cake and eat it too with the new WTB 2.8 650B
Trailblazer tire. It will fit on your gen 1 Fargo with 35mm wide rims.
As far as Surly, I agree with Anne, steel, wool and fat tires are where
it's at. I'm not a fan of the dropouts on some of their bikes but they
OK, I'll admit that I own a Surly Pacer and have owned a LHT to get me down the
coast of California in the summer when my a Soma San Marcos build didn't work
out. I am disappointed in Surly these days. The Racing Sucks is so close to
Un-Racer and now they are making wool stripped shirts that
They still get big credit for posting this:
http://surlybikes.com/blog/post/some_answers_to_just_about_any_bike_forum_post_ive_ever_read
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 8:55 PM, Bruce Smitham wineh...@gmail.com wrote:
OK, I'll admit that I own a Surly Pacer and have owned a LHT to get me
down the
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