Re: [RBW] Why do some bikes just feel consistently faster?

2024-01-13 Thread Patrick Moore
I recall reading in one of the first bike lore books I found at the local library circa 1970 how pro track racers would wear only thin silk socks to ensure as close a shoe fit as possibible. IIRC, this book also recommended ankling and analyzed the reasons for frames becoming soft with use. I've

Re: [RBW] Why do some bikes just feel consistently faster?

2024-01-13 Thread Ron Mc
I've made the switch to urethane tubes, too - used to run latex, but the stem glue started giving up on them. One problem with Scwalbe version, the plastic stems give up at the valve core, which is a terrible reason for an expensive tube to flat. So far, Tufo are my favorites, with brass

Re: [RBW] Why do some bikes just feel consistently faster?

2024-01-09 Thread Ted Durant
> On Jan 9, 2024, at 12:40 PM, Ron Mc wrote: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxxhoKVVCvg > > I don't know how to embed this, or whether good will embed it, but the > youtube link is the mode shape that produces planing from the rear triangles. > > That appears to be two dimensional

Re: [RBW] Why do some bikes just feel consistently faster?

2024-01-07 Thread Patrick Moore
Huh! I wonder if there was a "burst" of cadence-fixation when ultra-stiff aluminum frames hit the market. Guessing: They were too stiff for many riders, these riders felt that they bogged down riding these frames, thus they wanted very small gear gaps to compensate. OTOH, more flexible and

Re: [RBW] Why do some bikes just feel consistently faster?

2024-01-07 Thread Patrick Moore
I don't think we are disagreeing; I would not be surprised if the modern fixation on cadence (you gotta keep the revs in the efficient band) started up about the same time that uber-stiff aluminum frames*, *AND* as the number of cogs in back grew past 7. But from the vast and disorganized reading

Re: [RBW] Why do some bikes just feel consistently faster?

2024-01-07 Thread Bill Schairer
Never ever have I heard this before. All my bikes have been and are steel going back 50+ years. I love a 3x9 half step with granny where I can dial in my cadence to that magic spot where things seem almost effortless. It is almost like having a CVT. I ride friction and shift more often than

Re: [RBW] Why do some bikes just feel consistently faster?

2024-01-06 Thread Ron Mc
I have to take exception with you Patrick - the people I know who are concerned with cadence came from aluminum bikes, never change their cadence, can tell you what is their cadence, and are always shifting. On a good steel frame, you spin and mash and, yes, you still change gears, possibly

Re: [RBW] Why do some bikes just feel consistently faster?

2024-01-06 Thread Patrick Moore
On Sat, Jan 6, 2024 at 6:16 PM Patrick Moore wrote: > ... Still, I think there are things "beyond your head" that make certain > bikes feel this way > http://www.matthewbcrawford.com/new-page-1-1 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch"

Re: [RBW] Why do some bikes just feel consistently faster?

2024-01-06 Thread Patrick Moore
I think Jason is right, while agreeing that there is a very large subjective factor, which is why I phrased the question as "feel faster." Still, I think there are things "beyond your head" that make certain bikes feel this way, and feel this way *consistently* over decades of riding; otherwise,

Re: [RBW] Why do some bikes just feel consistently faster?

2024-01-06 Thread Ron Mc
To me, cadence is an aluminum word - a word that didn't exist in cycling before the requirement for redundant structure and excess rigidity in aluminum frames. Without cadence, finding the natural frequency that planes you bike on a grade is, well, natural. On Saturday, January 6, 2024 at

Re: [RBW] Why do some bikes just feel consistently faster?

2024-01-06 Thread Steve
Jason, I find your hypothesis to be the most plausible one yet. I think most of us will concede that the perception of a bike being fast is a subjective thing. It comes down to a bit of magic occurring between the rider and the bike and I'd say you have put your finger on what that magic is.

Re: [RBW] Why do some bikes just feel consistently faster?

2024-01-06 Thread Jason Fuller
My two hypotheses are 1) the frame stiffness is perfectly matched to your power output at optimal cadence, so you do get that energy return known as planing and/or 2) the fit is perfectly matched to your biomechanics, which I believe can be sensitive enough that even a bike with similar numbers

Re: [RBW] Why do some bikes just feel consistently faster?

2024-01-06 Thread P W
The bikes you like the most ride the fastest.That’s just science!P. W.~(917) 514-2207~On Dec 28, 2023, at 2:35 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:This is hardly a new question for me or for others, but it is a question that strikes me anew when I ride the 1999 Joe Starck and find, once again as always in

Re: [RBW] Why do some bikes just feel consistently faster?

2024-01-05 Thread RichS
My two cents in this discussion and worth no more than that, is tires, tires, tires. Not long ago I swapped out 38mm Soma B-lines for 32mm Grand Bois Cypress on my Hillborne. Faster feeling? Yes. Realistically? No. But I do like the way they "feel" for my 100% road riding. Another anecdote: My

Re: [RBW] Why do some bikes just feel consistently faster?

2024-01-04 Thread Andrew Turner
There's a BlueLug video on YouTube where they visit Mike Varley at his bike shop, and a similar question was asked about his frames and why they ride so well. This is a question I've had ever since riding a BMC Monstercross as it's an exceptionally fun and zippy ride for pretty unexceptional