Re: [Ext] Re: [RBW] Saluki Links

;-) Sent from my iPhone On Aug 2, 2017, at 8:36 PM, Bill Lindsay > wrote: Cyclofiend's Bleriot page includes a Rivendell comparison between the Bleriot and the Saluki http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/bleriot/index.html Cyclofiend's Hilsen page

Re: [RBW] FS SimpleOne size 60cm

Sold! - Original Message - From: nawr...@comcast.net To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 2, 2017 4:00:14 AM Subject: Re: [RBW] FS SimpleOne size 60cm Sale pending! Dave - Original Message - From: nawr...@comcast.net To:

[RBW] Re: Roadini!

That Blue looks nice! Trying to decide if the Roadeo is worth the extra bones. I really love the aesthetics of the Roadeo (close to parallel top tube rather than upsloping), but based on the literature I've seen, hard to justify the extra cash based on ride quality. On Thursday, August 3,

[RBW] Re: Roadini!

On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 8:54:35 AM UTC-4, John G. wrote: > > According to Instagram and the RBW newsletter, Roadini pre-orders are live > for the general public! Anyone on the list order one yet? If so, what size > and color did you go for? > John I was on the earlier email

[RBW] Re: Let's Talk Fenders...

Thanks for the input. I think maybe there are B50s out there... I don't care for the black 'flap' on the P-series. Not sure why the P50s felt like they wouldn't fit. I do have the 50mm tires on the bike. On Sunday, July 30, 2017 at 2:38:59 PM UTC-7, J Imler wrote: > > Per Riv website - The P50

Re: [RBW] Saluki Links

On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 8:36:20 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > Cyclofiend's Bleriot page includes a Rivendell comparison between the > Bleriot and the Saluki > > http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/bleriot/index.html > > Cyclofiend's Hilsen page includes a Rivendell comparison between the

[RBW] Re: why so many joe's up for sale?

I should've jumped on a hi-ho silver. Anyone not want their 55? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

[RBW] Re: WTB: Nitto 32R rear rack

Thanks for the tips. I ended up ordering a Racktime Foldit Adjustable rack from Germany last night. CAD$60 shipped, we'll see how she does! KJ On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 6:27:16 PM UTC-4, jjss wrote: > > I was going to bid on that but then one popped up for slightly cheaper. I >

Re: [RBW] Saluki Links

Here's an old page from the Rivendell site. https://web.archive.org/web/20050609023738/http://rivbike.com/html/bikes_saluki.html On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 6:54:39 AM UTC-7, Tim Gavin wrote: > > All other things being equal, cantilever brakes have better fender > clearance than Tektro

[RBW] Re: why so many joe's up for sale?

I think we live in a time where many other companies are now making gravel/tour/adventurey bikes. Competetion in that niche is high, as is the rate of shiny new things being shown to people. I hear you on the sluggish feel. I sometimes feel that on my hunqapillar. Then I load it up, or take it

[RBW] Re: why so many joe's up for sale?

I reject the assertion that 'so many' are being sold. That said, I sold one. The reason I sold my 55 Appaloosa is a longish story and I'm too long-winded as it is. The short reason is that the Appaloosa wasn't expensive enough. It is awesome and perfect, but not expensive enough. The

[RBW] Re: why so many joe's up for sale?

I'm afraid that I can't help you on this one. I have a 2017 and own quite a few bikes and the Joe would be among the very last to be sold. On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 7:45:22 PM UTC-4, Singlespeed Johnny wrote: > > i accidentally hijacked a for sale thread asking this and am sorry for >

[RBW] Dyno hub wiring

Have any of you drilled holes to run your wire Internally? I'm having it installed on my Sam. Thanks -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

[RBW] Roadini!

50 blue! But I may go down to riv to see the colors in person. I was planning to buy only the frame and silver cranks from riv. But I'll wait until I see what they offer for completes/kits before I start buying parts. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google

[RBW] Re: Roadini!

Nice, I'm too much of a skin flint to get a new bike repainted. I would love a black cherry/maroon or a blue it's almost black bike. On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 7:20:28 AM UTC-7, Chris Birkenmaier wrote: > John I was on the earlier email notification for the Roadini and ordered a 50 > in

[RBW] Re: why so many joe's up for sale?

Bob asked: "What are the reasons anyone sells a bike that they recently bought, within a year say? Did they get swept up in dreaming of a type of riding they don't really do? Was it too much to reasonably afford? Was it bought without enough research or the research misled? Did another

[RBW] Re: Dyno hub wiring

How does the shoe goo hold up in direct sunlight on 100F degree, max humidity days? Dose sit soften at all? I live in hot and humid Maryland and wonder how it would fare in the hot months. I am guessing it is made to withstand all kinds of weather/punishment because it is made for shoes? --

Re: [RBW] Re: Dyno hub wiring

The Shoe Goo has held up great for me for about 3 years. Check back in another 5. It's not in direct sunlight often, because it's on the back/inside of the fork leg and bottom of the down tube. It has survived living in my garage and riding during 100 degree / 95% humidity days. Shoe Goo seems

Re: [RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Appaloosa?

About the photo: that's an elegantly loaded bike, perfect balance front to rear! Is that a custom frame bag, or is the perfect fit just serendipity? On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 5:53 PM, Tim O. (Portland, OR) < timothycharles...@gmail.com> wrote: > Michelle! What an exciting dilemma you're in! > >

[RBW] Re: why so many joe's up for sale?

A lot, maybe not most, of people buy Rivs sight unseen. And because most people have only ever ridden bikes with shorter wheelbases, it's not necessarily clear exactly how a longer one will affect handling, especially because everyone's bodies and abilities are different. I would say it all

[RBW] Re: Roadini!

Well I tend to agree. But I have a light blue San Marcos and am getting the new mountain mixte in blue. Just too much of the light blue family. I'm thinking of metallic black or dark chocolate for the Roadini On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 1:09:47 PM UTC-4, Daniel D. wrote: > > Nice, I'm too

[RBW] Re: Roadini!

I was choosing between the two. Decided to go riv for a few reasons Nicest bike shop I've ever visited, wanted to support that with a purchase. I'm in middle of the recommended size range, usually I'm choosing between a smaller size or a bigger size. If nothing else I'll have a bike that's

[RBW] Re: Roadini!

No, they have not published the geometry. If you are curious, you really should call them. They are bound to be excited about it. It's clearly got a longer chainstay than a 'traditional road bike'. The seat tube angle is certainly 71.5 or 72. The head tube angle is probably 72 or 73.

Re: [RBW] Re: Roadini!

Segueing off this, a request: will those who ride both the Roadeo and the Roadini tell us how they are different and how the are the same? On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 10:18 AM, John Bokman wrote: > That Blue looks nice! > > Trying to decide if the Roadeo is worth the extra bones.

[RBW] Re: why so many joe's up for sale?

+1 and absolutely agreed with Bill's comments... I rode my Joe on a group ride last night and it was perfect. Fast enough, completely comfortable, able to handle roads and trails, and (with good lights) enabled an absolutely beautiful and fun ride home in the dark on a perfect summer night.

[RBW] Re: why so many joe's up for sale?

Please, let's not make this into a "what's unique and what's not" kinda thing since every bike is unique and one of a kind. It's just we're so used to devaluing what IS, as if "over there is the One special bike/thing", but not right here . That's like looking to the skies for a nice

[RBW] Re: why so many joe's up for sale?

I thought the LHT was sort of an Atlantis copy? On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 1:55:24 PM UTC-4, Stuart Lovinggood wrote: > A lot, maybe not most, of people buy Rivs sight unseen. And because most > people have only ever ridden bikes with shorter wheelbases, it's not > necessarily clear

Re: [RBW] Re: Dyno hub wiring

I agree with Brian on not drilling, and on Shoe Goo. I've glued dynamo wires up the fork leg and down the down tube with Shoe Goo, and it works great. I recommend holding the wire in place with string, twine, or zip ties until the Goo dries. Excess Goo can be pilled with your fingertips, and

[RBW] Re: Roadini!

I'm in for a blue 61. Dave was very helpful sizing off my Bombadil specs -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

[RBW] why so many joe's up for sale?

I've told my story too many times to get into it again. My selling had nothing to do with the bike itself, stuff just happens in life sometimes. I'm getting a CLEM L shortly. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe

[RBW] Re: Roadini!

I went for a 61cm blue, BTW. Lots of functional overlap with my Black Mountain Cycles Road, but I'll probably keep them in different locations. And I'm sure they'll ride plenty different. Bikes r cool. On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 1:02:55 PM UTC-4, Daniel D. wrote: > > 50 blue! But I may go

[RBW] Re: Dyno hub wiring

No. You should not drill holes in your frame. You can have a frame builder braze in reinforced openings to fish the wire through but that will also ruin the paint. On my AHH I used a thin bead of Shoe Goop adhesive. I embedded the wire in the goop and in about an hour it is dry and won't come

[RBW] Re: Dyno hub wiring

Lum, I live outside Philadelphia and we have similar weather. I rode the bike, with shoe goo attached wires in a 85 mile,8200' ride in 90+ degrees with extremely high humidity. I was sweating so much, I destroyed my Brooks Imperial saddle and was pretty dehydrated by the end. The shoe goo had

[RBW] Re: why so many joe's up for sale?

I duly concede to Bill that my comparisons may have been over-generalized. FWIW, I've ridden an unloaded LHT (rented for a week in Portland) and thought it was plenty fun, and granted it was two years ago but I would say it was very similar to riding my Joe now. Back to the topic, and I'm

Re: [RBW] Re: Dyno hub wiring

There were discussions about this on the boblist, and -- don't take me to court! -- I thought the consensus, after comments and advice by some very experienced frame builders, was that, if you do it right, and in the right place, it's harmless. I seem to recall Mark Bulgier giving his conditional

[RBW] Re: why so many joe's up for sale?

Stuart says the Appaloosa is a nicer, upright Surly Long Haul Trucker. To prove his point he attached photos of two 26" wheel Surly Long Haul Truckers, one with rim brakes and one with disc brakes, both with drop bars. I concede the point with a proviso: If your bike-category-buckets are

Re: [RBW] Re: Dyno hub wiring

IME, Shoe Goo gets cement-hard and yellow/brown opaque after much exposure to strong sunlight. It does remain strong, though. Patrick Moore, in hot, very sunny, and dry NM. On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 12:40 PM, lum gim fong wrote: > How does the shoe goo hold up in direct

[RBW] Re: why so many joe's up for sale?

+1 on Stuart's comment. One of the challenging things about a Rivendell is that many of us must purchase them sight unseen. While this may be perfectly acceptable for aesthetics (or else we wouldn't buy them in the first place) or fit (I trust that the folks at Riv know their bikes), the ride

[RBW] Re: Finally, I have Riv

I also converted mine to 650b. See it here: https://www.flickr.com/gp/70237737@N00/K1b855 I originally had my Rambouillet set up as 700 x 28c. BB height of 26.5cm. Still not enough fender clearance for my comfort level. After converting to 650b x 42mm, the BB height is now 26cm. Same as my

[RBW] Re: why so many joe's up for sale?

+1. I bought a Hunq and it was way more bike than I ever needed for the riding I do. I sold it. Thankfully I had and still have, my AHHH. It does everything I need. On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 2:23:46 PM UTC-4, John G. wrote: > > Bob asked: "What are the reasons anyone sells a bike that they

Re: [RBW] Re: why so many joe's up for sale?

I also bought a Hunquapillar and still on the fence about keeping it. I find my AR a little more comfortable but sure do enjoy the larger tires on our bony descents here in the White Mtns Steve On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 3:22 PM Brian Campbell wrote: > +1. I bought a Hunq

[RBW] Re: Dyno hub wiring

Shoe Gooers: Any thoughts on using the Goo to hold heavier wires, like the Schmidt Coax type one? I've been using aluminum HVAC tape lately for the run of wire under the rear fender on my own bike with no issues, but I'm getting ready to attach a full run of (external) wiring to my wife's

[RBW] Re: why so many joe's up for sale?

I tend to agree with Bill. I used to own a Trucker. Good bike, but it felt dead without a load, and the wheelbase was 460, I believe, not the Appaloosa's 535 (if I'm remembering right). Huge Difference. I ride my Appaloosa with drops about an inch above the saddle. Hard to get the Trucker front

Re: [RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Appaloosa?

Thanks! It's a custom frame bag that my mom made for me. She's the coolest. :) On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 9:46:19 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote: > > About the photo: that's an elegantly loaded bike, perfect balance front to > rear! > > Is that a custom frame bag, or is the perfect fit just

[RBW] Re: Roadini!

Sorry. Was speaking to the differences between the Roadini and Roadeo. Still dreaming in my own mind! On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 7:50:34 PM UTC-7, John Bokman wrote: > > Looks like the tubing is different, but to what degree I can't say. The > statement that the butted ends are cut down to

[RBW] Re: Roadini!

Saw them in person after an overnight. Very beautiful frames and very classic road bike looking. Jack Browns look absolutely tiny now after riding 42s and 2.8s only for the past 5 or more years! I fell into a frame more my price range that runs 650b so I'm not able to do the Roadini. Buyers

[RBW] Re: why so many joe's up for sale?

Thanks for playing along Stuart. For the record, I think the LHT is a very good bike. I wonder what the resale value of these Rosco Bubbe mini-runs will be? I have one and will soon have two of them. My blue Rosco Road liftatube frame was $925. In 10 years, will it be worth $400? $700?

[RBW] Re: Roadini!

That seat cluster is awesome. I really like the dropout detail shots in today's newsletter mailer. Pay attention to the fact that you can't use your vintage 28.6mm front der. You need a 31.8 to fit that tapered seat tube. BL in EC On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 5:54:35 AM UTC-7, John G.

Re: [RBW] Saluki Links

Bill Thanks for the 2 links. I found the 1st, but not the 2nd. I was hoping for a RBW write up focusing on the Saluki, but it seems there is none. The 2 links are like A vs B and B vs C, B + Saluki. I remember the write ups on the AHH (country bike, Honus Wagner) and the Blerliot (known

Re: [RBW] N minus 2 plus 1

I'm 230, was 255, and wouldn't worry at all about breaking a Roadeo. I tend not to bash over stuff, though. I'm with everyone else: keep the Jones and Bombadil, add a road-oriented bike. Philip www.biketinker.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups

[RBW] Re: Roadini!

Looks like the tubing is different, but to what degree I can't say. The statement that the butted ends are cut down to reduce excess heft doesn't mean much to me since I'm ignorant about the process. I do know that I want a light, svelt feeling road bike. However, my new Sam (2017) tube set is

[RBW] Re: Roadini!

Did they have all sizes, 50 in particular, ready for demo, Justin? Forgot to call today. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: [RBW] Finally, I have Riv

I don't know Patrick. What you seem to be saying is that you don't equate vibrations with speed, and that's great, but I am not sure you understand what I am trying to convey: If you ride your bike for hundreds of miles with a setup, you get used to the hum of the road the vibrations that come

Re: [RBW] Saluki Links

This is too funny.  How many Rivendell models are no longer being made?  No such thing as a "lifetime model."  Atlantis comes closest, but it's day will come I thnk. From: Joe Bernard  Sometimes I chuckle at Grant's "lifetime bicycle" copy on the website: Why would

Re: [RBW] Finally, I have Riv

We don't disagree; it's just that you said, "It felt so stable on the 42s and the level of vibration goes down tremendously.* Because you don't feel the road vibrations as much you think you are going slowly, but you are really going much faster than you might think."*. All I was saying is that

[RBW] Re: why so many joe's up for sale?

> > I priced it at a number I could live with, and someone offered to pay it > without haggling. My wife bought Joe's Appaloosa and she LOVES it. Brad Queens -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this

[RBW] Re: Saluki Links

Thanks to all who provided the Saluki links and shared their experiences. It was just what I was looking for. John Hawrylak Woodstown NJ On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 6:28:16 PM UTC-4, John Hawrylak wrote: > Does any one have any links to the RBW literature on the early > Saluki's???

Re: [RBW] Finally, I have Riv

Many riders I know, myself among them, don't associate vibration with speed; in fact, I assocate vibration with slowness and plushness with speed -- Elk Passes at 55 versus Pro Race 4s at 90. I think this idea originated in a guess by Jan Heine back when he was first promoting the speed benefits

Re: [RBW] Finally, I have Riv

My point is that vibration has nothing to do with the sensation of speed, for me and for many others. Those tires feel fast to me, be they fat or thin, which appear to let me maintain a given cadence in given conditions in a given gear; greater plushness adds to the feeling of speed. I go back

[RBW] Re: why so many joe's up for sale?

I have one up for sale. It is a solid, beautiful, fun bike. Can be configured in many, many ways. My reason for selling is not getting enough chances to ride it. Looking forward to owning one again (or whatever version Riv might have by then) after couple of years when situation changes

Re: [RBW] Finally, I have Riv

The frame I had is a 54 cm (C-T) frame. It felt so stable on the 42s and the level of vibration goes down tremendously. Because you don't feel the road vibrations as much you think you are going slowly, but you are really going much faster than you might think. Toshi On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at

[RBW] Re: Saluki Links

Saluki was made In Osaka by Toyo. Hilsens are made in WI by Waterford. GP has said build quality is equal at both places back when some frames were coming from both places, but the tubing used is different in each location. Saluki used high quality Japanese tubing. I don't know what tubing

Re: [RBW] Finally, I have Riv

I'm talking about the eye-opening experience of taking a good 700c x 32 mm setup and converting that same ride/frame into a 650b x 42 mm setup. It's taking a very familiar ride and giving it a totally new experience. If you've ridden wide supple tires like this before, then perhaps you wouldn't

[RBW] Re: Dyno hub wiring

I do. Either a port in the DT in the vicinity of the HT or a port in the steertube (with 3-4 loose wire wraps around the steertube before heading off down the DT.) When I drill the DT, I always braze a grommet into the hole to reinforce it, though that does mess up the paint in the area.

[RBW] Re: why so many joe's up for sale?

Yes, the 'still mostly new condition with nice parts' resale value played an huge part in my Appa selling. I priced it at a number I could live with, and someone offered to pay it without haggling. Otherwise it would still be in my apartment. -- You received this message because you are

Re: [RBW] Saluki Links

Joe Thanks for the insight. Do you still have them, or did something else replace them?? John Hawrylak Woodstown NJ On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 7:31:54 AM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote: > In what in hindsight now seems a rather rare occurrence, I've owned both a > 54cm Saluki and Hilsen, and

Re: [RBW] Saluki Links

DB Thanks for the link to the RBW write up. Just what I was looking for. I vaguely remember it, 12 - 13 years ago?? The PH / SH chart was invaluable. it confirms a 54cm is my size and I could fit a 56cm, although the 57cm TT may be a challenge. John Hawrylak Woodstown NJ On Thursday,

[RBW] Re: why so many joe's up for sale?

Glad to hear it, Brad! It's a nice bike and I miss it occasionally, but there's always more Rivs in the sea. She got a nice Appaloosa and I'm getting a nice CLEM L (with low stepover for my creaky old bones), so everybody wins! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the

Re: [RBW] Saluki Links

As a youngster, I rode my bike in the courtyard of my apartment building complex over and over in circles. I had the bright idea that I did that circle so many times that I could ride it with my eyes closed. I tried it and ended up with six stitches in my forehead after gashing it on top of a

Re: [RBW] Saluki Links

Oh no, they're long gone, John. Each sale of a bike has its specific story, but the reality is I go through a lot of bikes (I don't recommend this expensive habit). I like bicycles as mechanical and artistic objects, and there's a little voice in my head that often whispers "you only get so

Re: [RBW] Saluki Links

"Lifetime model" is "bike that will outlast you." Which is definitely true of Rivendells, and not at all true of the stuff ridden in the Tour de France this year. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this

[RBW] FS: Bunch of parts - thomson seatpost, huret shifter, suntour shifters, pedals, ta pro 5 vis crankset

https://www.flickr.com/photos/14767344@N07/albums/72157684450126694 seatpost - $100 Shimano pedals - $30 Wellgo pedals - $15 suntour shifters - $40 Huret shifters - $15 TA Pro 5 Vis cranks 170mm with 48t and 36t chainring - $150 Prices shipped usa -- You received this message because you are

[RBW] Re: Roadini!

Just like with everything they sell - lift the sack and there you go ;) On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 9:16:34 AM UTC-4, Christopher Cote wrote: > > Have they published the geometry? I see the sizing chart, but I'm curious > about the rest of the geometry. Not in the market for one, so I won't

[RBW] Re: Roadini!

I can't even begin to guess what that means. Chris -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post

Re: [RBW] Saluki Links

Bill made me spit coffee out my nose. Thanks alot. The Saluki in question appears to be from early in the run, before tektro made the rivendell-requested 559 sidepull brake, so it has cantilever brakes. That, and possibly some different lugs, is a difference. Normally i like cantis but, in

Re: [RBW] Saluki Links

All other things being equal, cantilever brakes have better fender clearance than Tektro R559s. On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 8:52 AM, iamkeith wrote: > Bill made me spit coffee out my nose. Thanks alot. > > The Saluki in question appears to be from early in the run, before

[RBW] Re: Roadini!

You must have adequate standover clearance then. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to

[RBW] Roadini!

Have they published the geometry? I see the sizing chart, but I'm curious about the rest of the geometry. Not in the market for one, so I won't waste their time with a call or email. Chris -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.

Re: [RBW] Saluki Links

In what in hindsight now seems a rather rare occurrence, I've owned both a 54cm Saluki and Hilsen, and they both used the same parts. It's the same bike. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and

[RBW] Roadini!

According to Instagram and the RBW newsletter, Roadini pre-orders are live for the general public! Anyone on the list order one yet? If so, what size and color did you go for? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe