[RBW] Re: Advice on herd thinning (or, scheming to get another bike)

[Sky Coulter]

Thanks for the suggestion Rich.  I did consider pauls, but I wanted to keep 
it a super easy brake setup.  Mike Varley had an article about brake 
clearances that I cam across ( 
http://blackmtncycles.com/clearance-pt-ii-road-frames/ ) and from the 
images in it, it looked like the shimanos ought to offer adequate clearance 
for 35mm tires. The limiting factor will remain the frame bridges and fork 
crown, I believe.  I think the only way to get fenders on as well will be 
to split them at the brakes/bridges. I did something like this once before 
and am curious to tinker around with it again.  

Really, i should just ride the romulus without fenders, but living in the 
metro vancouver area, well, we get quite a lot of rain.

Sky in new west


On Monday, 19 February 2018 05:49:53 UTC-8, RichS wrote:
>
> Sky, 
>
> If you can swing it, Paul centerpulls for your Romulus would give you the 
> fender clearance you’re looking for. 
>
> Just completed a Roadeo and installed the Paul CPs. They are as nicely 
> performing as others on the list have noted from time to time. 
>
> Regards, 
> Richard

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[RBW] Re: Advice on herd thinning (or, scheming to get another bike)

[RichS]

Sky,

If you can swing it, Paul centerpulls for your Romulus would give you the 
fender clearance you’re looking for. 

Just completed a Roadeo and installed the Paul CPs. They are as nicely 
performing as others on the list have noted from time to time.

Regards,
Richard

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[RBW] Re: Advice on herd thinning (or, scheming to get another bike)

[Sky Coulter]

Bold thoughts Clayton. But I think I’m closing in on what works for me through 
slow refinement.  The short-lived, sti-shifting, disc-brake-having sequoia was 
a good lesson for me in that sense.  It might be fundamentally boring, but what 
I like most are Rivendell bikes.  I don’t really see a point in chasing too 
hard after anything else.  Although if I’m honest, I guess I’m still a little 
tempted by Mike Varley’s upcoming all-road.  

For now though, I’m quite content w what I have. And I’m grateful that there is 
a bike company like Rivendell in the world.  

And I apologize for the numerous typos in my last message. I was typing quickly 
before giving shift handover and didn’t look at what I was typing.

Sky in new west

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[RBW] Re: Advice on herd thinning (or, scheming to get another bike)

[Clayton.sf]

sell them all, get something different, experience, enjoy the journey, life is 
short.

Clayton Scott
SF, CA

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[RBW] Re: Advice on herd thinning (or, scheming to get another bike)

[Max S]

Sky, that's a really nice Joe Appaloosa set-up! I don't see many of them 
set up with drop bars, perhaps due to the longer TT. But if one decides 
that a long seatpost is OK, and takes into account the upsloping TT... I 
could see it working really well to get the bars level with or a bit lower 
than saddle, and gaining the smoothness of long chainstays. Hmm... 

- Max 

On Saturday, February 17, 2018 at 9:29:52 PM UTC-5, Sky Coulter wrote:
>
> Hi Max, 
>
> I sold the bombadil frameset to another lister and the specialized sequoia 
> at a pretty steep loss on craigslist.   
>
> I bought the 55cm appa and it worked out great using the stack and reach 
> numbers to choose size.  I think the appaloosa is as nice as my saluki in 
> general, with a prettier fork in particular.   
>
> I do still prefer the saluki overall as the nicest riding bike i own, but 
> the appaloosa’s superior clearance, load carrying capacity and braking 
> power (v-brakes) make it the one bike i’d keep if push came to shove. 
>
> I stripped the clementine down and but on 60mm schwalbe big ones and it’s 
> made it a lot more fun and less of a chore to take my daughter out for a 
> quick spin around the neiborhood.  I thibk it’ll get the choco moose bar 
> eventually as i find the handlebars a bit high w the boscoes. 
>
> The romulus is pulling commuter duty on those days when i’m tired and want 
> easier uphills.  A bit of a rough ride on 30mm tires though so i’m planing 
> to eventually put compass 35mm tires on and jury-rig fenders w splits 
> around the brakes (which i’m changing from tektro 539s to shimano br-6500s 
> for better clearances). I also pucked up a genourously priced sackville 
> barsack and f-15 rack from a fellow lister to make it a bit more effective 
> as a commuter. 
>
> And i like the appaloosa so much, and so does my wife, that she’s got a 
> 46cm heading her way as well. We’ll be a bit dorky with matching silver 
> frames, but i’m ok w that. 
>
> Sky in new west

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[RBW] Re: Advice on herd thinning (or, scheming to get another bike)

[Sky Coulter]

Hi Max,

I sold the bombadil frameset to another lister and the specialized sequoia at a 
pretty steep loss on craigslist.  

I bought the 55cm appa and it worked out great using the stack and reach 
numbers to choose size.  I think the appaloosa is as nice as my saluki in 
general, with a prettier fork in particular.  

I do still prefer the saluki overall as the nicest riding bike i own, but the 
appaloosa’s superior clearance, load carrying capacity and braking power 
(v-brakes) make it the one bike i’d keep if push came to shove.

I stripped the clementine down and but on 60mm schwalbe big ones and it’s made 
it a lot more fun and less of a chore to take my daughter out for a quick spin 
around the neiborhood.  I thibk it’ll get the choco moose bar eventually as i 
find the handlebars a bit high w the boscoes.

The romulus is pulling commuter duty on those days when i’m tired and want 
easier uphills.  A bit of a rough ride on 30mm tires though so i’m planing to 
eventually put compass 35mm tires on and jury-rig fenders w splits around the 
brakes (which i’m changing from tektro 539s to shimano br-6500s for better 
clearances). I also pucked up a genourously priced sackville barsack and f-15 
rack from a fellow lister to make it a bit more effective as a commuter.

And i like the appaloosa so much, and so does my wife, that she’s got a 46cm 
heading her way as well. We’ll be a bit dorky with matching silver frames, but 
i’m ok w that.

Sky in new west

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[RBW] Re: Advice on herd thinning (or, scheming to get another bike)

[Max S]

So, how'd it all turn out?.. 

(It's the long dark teatime of the soul here in MI right now, so I'm trying 
really hard to not compensate for my lack of riding by purchasing bike 
stuff.)  

- Max

On Sunday, March 19, 2017 at 10:49:15 AM UTC-4, Sky Coulter wrote:
>
> Thanks Max, good advice if a bit hard to take.
>
> Well, thanks for the thoughts everyone. I think the bombadil will probably 
> end up for sale. Not sure beyond that at the moment. If I'm gonna sell any 
> of them on the list though, I'll create a new post with more info (prices, 
> builds, etc).
>
> Thanks everyone. a lot of helpful points were made...sky
>
> On Friday, March 17, 2017 at 6:42:13 PM UTC-7, Max S wrote:
>>
>> I think I can relate to your original comment about freeing up mental 
>> space, which is at a premium for me, so going N-1 offers considerable 
>> merit, IMO. Also, I recently read Mari Kondo. And if pretending to be you, 
>> I would do this: 
>>
>> - Find a good new home for the Bomba
>> - Find a new home for the newest Specialized 
>> - Find a new home for the Rom 
>> + Get an Appaloosa and set up with dirt drops, fat tires, and a riser 
>> stem, fenderless, narrowest Q factor crank 2x. 
>> + Get spare Compass EL tires for the Saluki. 
>> = Everything else stays the same 
>>
>> DONE! 
>>
>> Seems like this way you'd be covering 99.5% of the riding you actually 
>> do, still have a spare when a friend visits, generate a bit of cash for the 
>> bike slush fund. 
>>
>> Just as an aside, I did an experiment: rode my then-newly-acquired, 58cm, 
>> 650b Ebisu exclusively for 1 year. Dirt roads. Smooth roads. Some off road. 
>> It was great. I was slower off-road than I'd be on a 29er, but oh well! I 
>> then got a second, light wheelset for it, and I think it could just ride 
>> this set up 99% of the time. My only wish would be to have an identical 
>> fender-less version for off-road or very fast rides with the faster of my 
>> riding buddies. Since I'm on a 58cm frame, I could just as well ride 700c. 
>> And I'm slowly getting to a Jobstian outlook on owning multiple bikes: it's 
>> just mentally, spatially, and financially too taxing to maintain a "fleet" 
>> beyond one or two frames, plus some spare components. 
>>
>> - Heretically, Max in A2 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Advice on herd thinning (or, scheming to get another bike)

[Bob Lovejoy]

And thank you Sky for letting people into the thought process!  That and 
for showing us some very cool bikes.  I do like the way you think - and the 
way you choose and use your bikes.  Do let people know if you decide to go 
the Appaloosa route or another direction.
>
>
To great rides and adventures,

Bob Lovejoy
Galesburg, IL

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[RBW] Re: Advice on herd thinning (or, scheming to get another bike)

[Sky Coulter]

Thanks Max, good advice if a bit hard to take.

Well, thanks for the thoughts everyone. I think the bombadil will probably 
end up for sale. Not sure beyond that at the moment. If I'm gonna sell any 
of them on the list though, I'll create a new post with more info (prices, 
builds, etc).

Thanks everyone. a lot of helpful points were made...sky

On Friday, March 17, 2017 at 6:42:13 PM UTC-7, Max S wrote:
>
> I think I can relate to your original comment about freeing up mental 
> space, which is at a premium for me, so going N-1 offers considerable 
> merit, IMO. Also, I recently read Mari Kondo. And if pretending to be you, 
> I would do this: 
>
> - Find a good new home for the Bomba
> - Find a new home for the newest Specialized 
> - Find a new home for the Rom 
> + Get an Appaloosa and set up with dirt drops, fat tires, and a riser 
> stem, fenderless, narrowest Q factor crank 2x. 
> + Get spare Compass EL tires for the Saluki. 
> = Everything else stays the same 
>
> DONE! 
>
> Seems like this way you'd be covering 99.5% of the riding you actually do, 
> still have a spare when a friend visits, generate a bit of cash for the 
> bike slush fund. 
>
> Just as an aside, I did an experiment: rode my then-newly-acquired, 58cm, 
> 650b Ebisu exclusively for 1 year. Dirt roads. Smooth roads. Some off road. 
> It was great. I was slower off-road than I'd be on a 29er, but oh well! I 
> then got a second, light wheelset for it, and I think it could just ride 
> this set up 99% of the time. My only wish would be to have an identical 
> fender-less version for off-road or very fast rides with the faster of my 
> riding buddies. Since I'm on a 58cm frame, I could just as well ride 700c. 
> And I'm slowly getting to a Jobstian outlook on owning multiple bikes: it's 
> just mentally, spatially, and financially too taxing to maintain a "fleet" 
> beyond one or two frames, plus some spare components. 
>
> - Heretically, Max in A2 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Advice on herd thinning (or, scheming to get another bike)

[Max S]

I think I can relate to your original comment about freeing up mental space, 
which is at a premium for me, so going N-1 offers considerable merit, IMO. 
Also, I recently read Mari Kondo. And if pretending to be you, I would do this: 

- Find a good new home for the Bomba
- Find a new home for the newest Specialized 
- Find a new home for the Rom 
+ Get an Appaloosa and set up with dirt drops, fat tires, and a riser stem, 
fenderless, narrowest Q factor crank 2x. 
+ Get spare Compass EL tires for the Saluki. 
= Everything else stays the same 

DONE! 

Seems like this way you'd be covering 99.5% of the riding you actually do, 
still have a spare when a friend visits, generate a bit of cash for the bike 
slush fund. 

Just as an aside, I did an experiment: rode my then-newly-acquired, 58cm, 650b 
Ebisu exclusively for 1 year. Dirt roads. Smooth roads. Some off road. It was 
great. I was slower off-road than I'd be on a 29er, but oh well! I then got a 
second, light wheelset for it, and I think it could just ride this set up 99% 
of the time. My only wish would be to have an identical fender-less version for 
off-road or very fast rides with the faster of my riding buddies. Since I'm on 
a 58cm frame, I could just as well ride 700c. And I'm slowly getting to a 
Jobstian outlook on owning multiple bikes: it's just mentally, spatially, and 
financially too taxing to maintain a "fleet" beyond one or two frames, plus 
some spare components. 

- Heretically, Max in A2 

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[RBW] Re: Advice on herd thinning (or, scheming to get another bike)

[scott]

Touring bikes suffer from the pick-up truck syndrome. Some folks buy them for 
the potential of hauling a lot, but the actual amount they get used for the 
intended purpose is not worth the expense (both trucks and bikes). Your other 
bikes will probably suit light touring duty. When you are ready for epic 
touring, get a touring machine. That said, bike lust is a real thing that is 
hard to dissuade. Good luck!

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[RBW] Re: Advice on herd thinning (or, scheming to get another bike)

[Sky Coulter]

Thanks Ryan. Ya, I'm not completely fixated on the Appaloosa. Just a riv that I 
can use for touring. If it could double as a mtb and take drops, that'd be 
about perfect.  If I had a spare 3500 I'd be trying to convince Pudge to part 
with his Atlantis...or I'd be happy to go w a 56cm bombasky

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[RBW] Re: Advice on herd thinning (or, scheming to get another bike)

[Ryan Fleming]

I'd have a tough time dumping a Riv since I love all of them...but in  your 
situation maybe it's time to move the Bomba since the fit's not ideal. And 
keep an open mind for the N+1 ...I suspect it would be nice to test ride 
the Appaloosa. You have an elegant stable BTW

On Thursday, March 16, 2017 at 8:45:54 PM UTC-5, Sky Coulter wrote:
>
> Hey All,
>
> I have a bunch of bikes, with a fair bit of overlap, and yet I find myself 
> lusting after n+1. At the same time, I don't have a lot of cash to throw 
> toward a new bike and love the idea of reducing the number of bikes I have. 
>  So I'm kind of inclined to sell off one or two to make more physical and 
> mental space and to fund the pursuit of the N+1.  With that in mind I 
> invite advice, jeers, and any other comments you might feel inclined to 
> make in helping guide and influence my decision process. It's a wordy post 
> and probably of limited interest, but there are pictures at least.
>
> pictures here:  
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/140959259@N03/albums/72157681401817736/with/32640008764/
>
> The N+1 I'm after is a 55cm silver appaloosa. It's quite a bit smaller in 
> seat tube length than my other bikes, but Will told me the standover is 
> 83.5cm and the stack and reach numbers on the geometry chart look about 
> right for me. I'll build it up with drop bars. Will thought the 58cm would 
> probably be a better fit, but I think the older I get the more standover 
> clearance I'm likely to want.
>
> In the stable currently are:
>
> 1. 60cm butterscotch Saluki. Probably my best fitting bike with a 84cm 
> standover on 42mm parimotos (measuring closer to 38mm).  Not a bike I'm 
> really willing to part with.  It's quite possibly the nicest bike I'll ever 
> own and I can see riding it until I can't swing a leg over the saddle.
>
> 2. 60cm twin top tube dark green  Bombadil.  This one is probably the most 
> likely to get moved on as the standover is a bit too tight for comfort. 
>  It's ok on level ground, but a quick dismount on uneven terrain is a 
> frightening proposition.  my pbh is 89cm, although generally I go by 88cm 
> as I seem to prefer a slight size down approach with rivendells.  The 
> standover on the bombadil with 45cm tires is ~88.5cm, which is ok for 
> controlled dismounts, but really, feels a little too big.  My reluctance to 
> sell it at the moment is that selling the frame alone won't get me enough 
> for a replacement frame that fits and that if I sell it as a complete, I'll 
> need to buy a new build kit.
>
> 3. 59cm orange Clementine. This bike won't go anywhere for the next while. 
> It's really my baby daughter's bike, I just act as a chauffeur.
>
> 4. 61cm light blue Romulus.  I love this bike.  It feels the fastest of 
> the bikes I own.  Unfortunately it does overlap a fair bit with the Saluki 
> so it's a bit redundant to keep around. Currently I tell myself that it can 
> be differentiated as my "beater" bike and ridden in crappy vancouver winter 
> weather. But really, I'm just lying to myself there; I'd be perfectly 
> willing to ride the saluki in crappy weather too and with the wider tires 
> it's probably a better choice.  Really, I don't wanna sell it because I'm 
> attached to it and I don't think it'd ever sell for as much as it's worth 
> to me.  But I feel a little guilty holding onto it because it takes up 
> space and doesn't offer anything the other bikes don't.
>
> 5. 2016 61cm matte black Specialized Sequoia.  I bought this a month ago 
> to try out the allroad category from a big bike company and to try STI 
> shifting and mechanical disk brakes.  It's alright.  I don't think I'll 
> like it as much as my rivs and I kinda regret buying it instead of 
> pre-ordering an appa frameset, but I wanted to try something different. I'd 
> like to keep it for a year or so, try a couple different things with it 
> before deciding to move it on.
>
>
> So if you were in my shoes, and the Clementine and Saluki were the two 
> bikes you intend to hold onto no matter what, what would u do?
>
> thanks,
>
> Sky in new west
>
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Advice on herd thinning (or, scheming to get another bike)

[iamkeith]

I guess i glossed over the part about wanting to use drop bars.  Given that, 
the smaller joe might make sense than the hunq.  For some reason (based on 
nothing but speculation) I don't think of the joe as a drop bar bike.

For what it's worth, i'm an n+1 guy too, and the thing that has so far kept me 
in check is a rule about not duplicating handlebar types, unless there's a 
drastic difference in bike capabilities, too.

I also read too quickly over the "sequoia" part, and thought you had a classic 
one.  No brainer to get rid of that.

I still stand by the hunquapillar suggestion though.  You could even use your 
bomba parts (including wheels) to build it up.  You just need to relinquish the 
drop bar notion.

Interesting how some of the comments encourage contentment, while i seem to 
love encouraging you to spend your money.

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[RBW] Re: Advice on herd thinning (or, scheming to get another bike)

[stevef]

I used to have a lot of overlapping bikes in my herd and I sold off more 
than half.  It wasn't easy but it was rewarding.  The simplicity of having 
fewer bike to maintain and store is pretty great.  They were all nice bikes 
that I appreciated but once I decided some had to go, it was pretty clear 
which ones I rode more, and which ones meant more to me as a rider rather 
than just "this is a nice bike and I want to possess it."  

Things to consider would be which bikes you feel most overlap each other, 
and/or the bike you hope to add.  And which bike, if any, you feel the 
least attached to the experience of riding, rather than just as a nice bike 
worth owning.  Also keep in mind that the Specialized would probably be the 
easiest one to sell anywhere but, well--here. 

Steve 

On Thursday, March 16, 2017 at 9:45:54 PM UTC-4, Sky Coulter wrote:
>
> Hey All,
>
> I have a bunch of bikes, with a fair bit of overlap, and yet I find myself 
> lusting after n+1. At the same time, I don't have a lot of cash to throw 
> toward a new bike and love the idea of reducing the number of bikes I have. 
>  So I'm kind of inclined to sell off one or two to make more physical and 
> mental space and to fund the pursuit of the N+1.  With that in mind I 
> invite advice, jeers, and any other comments you might feel inclined to 
> make in helping guide and influence my decision process. It's a wordy post 
> and probably of limited interest, but there are pictures at least.
>
> pictures here:  
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/140959259@N03/albums/72157681401817736/with/32640008764/
>
> The N+1 I'm after is a 55cm silver appaloosa. It's quite a bit smaller in 
> seat tube length than my other bikes, but Will told me the standover is 
> 83.5cm and the stack and reach numbers on the geometry chart look about 
> right for me. I'll build it up with drop bars. Will thought the 58cm would 
> probably be a better fit, but I think the older I get the more standover 
> clearance I'm likely to want.
>
> In the stable currently are:
>
> 1. 60cm butterscotch Saluki. Probably my best fitting bike with a 84cm 
> standover on 42mm parimotos (measuring closer to 38mm).  Not a bike I'm 
> really willing to part with.  It's quite possibly the nicest bike I'll ever 
> own and I can see riding it until I can't swing a leg over the saddle.
>
> 2. 60cm twin top tube dark green  Bombadil.  This one is probably the most 
> likely to get moved on as the standover is a bit too tight for comfort. 
>  It's ok on level ground, but a quick dismount on uneven terrain is a 
> frightening proposition.  my pbh is 89cm, although generally I go by 88cm 
> as I seem to prefer a slight size down approach with rivendells.  The 
> standover on the bombadil with 45cm tires is ~88.5cm, which is ok for 
> controlled dismounts, but really, feels a little too big.  My reluctance to 
> sell it at the moment is that selling the frame alone won't get me enough 
> for a replacement frame that fits and that if I sell it as a complete, I'll 
> need to buy a new build kit.
>
> 3. 59cm orange Clementine. This bike won't go anywhere for the next while. 
> It's really my baby daughter's bike, I just act as a chauffeur.
>
> 4. 61cm light blue Romulus.  I love this bike.  It feels the fastest of 
> the bikes I own.  Unfortunately it does overlap a fair bit with the Saluki 
> so it's a bit redundant to keep around. Currently I tell myself that it can 
> be differentiated as my "beater" bike and ridden in crappy vancouver winter 
> weather. But really, I'm just lying to myself there; I'd be perfectly 
> willing to ride the saluki in crappy weather too and with the wider tires 
> it's probably a better choice.  Really, I don't wanna sell it because I'm 
> attached to it and I don't think it'd ever sell for as much as it's worth 
> to me.  But I feel a little guilty holding onto it because it takes up 
> space and doesn't offer anything the other bikes don't.
>
> 5. 2016 61cm matte black Specialized Sequoia.  I bought this a month ago 
> to try out the allroad category from a big bike company and to try STI 
> shifting and mechanical disk brakes.  It's alright.  I don't think I'll 
> like it as much as my rivs and I kinda regret buying it instead of 
> pre-ordering an appa frameset, but I wanted to try something different. I'd 
> like to keep it for a year or so, try a couple different things with it 
> before deciding to move it on.
>
>
> So if you were in my shoes, and the Clementine and Saluki were the two 
> bikes you intend to hold onto no matter what, what would u do?
>
> thanks,
>
> Sky in new west
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Advice on herd thinning (or, scheming to get another bike)

[Jim Bronson]

I agree with Leaf Slayer, sell the Bombadil and Sequoia.

Of course, I'm the guy who keeps bikes just for the sake of keeping them,
that I never ride.  I have 3 that should leave, really: my mountain bike
from college (25 years ago) that's way too small, my tandem that is way too
small, and my garage project fixie, I never ride them.  I have another one
coming this week, a Clem Smith Jr.

On another note, the love for the Saluki is palpable.  I think Rivendell
should wake this model up from it's sleep if possible.

On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 8:17 AM, Leaf Slayer  wrote:

> Sell the Bombadil and Sequoia. A few years back I sold off the last of my
> Rivs, an AHH to make room for and fund a mountain bike. I don't regret that
> move. This may sound crazy, but my LHT was the bike I wish my AHH was. I
> had previously sold off my Rambouilet and Quickbeam. About a year before I
> sold the Riv I had purchased a Salsa Vaya with the intention of that being
> a replacement for the AHH and LHT. It just never worked out that way. I
> really wanted to like the Salsa with it's disc brakes and all but it just
> never felt right. It's now in the process of being sold. My point is, if
> you're really not in love with or using the bikes, move them on to someone
> else and make room for the bike you want.
>
> Once my Vaya is sold I'll likely pick-up a 26" wheeled 60cm LHT. Sure
> there's redundancy with my current LHT but I always regret not getting that
> in the first place. I've threatened to build one up for years. I have most
> of the parts laying around with the exception of rims. I was looking at the
> Alppa's for a second but I'm in-between sizing. I know the LHT will work. I
> also thought about the Crust Bikes Romanceur (Sp?) but again, why not just
> stick with what works, the LHT. And finally, I'm fine with cantis for 90%
> of my riding. Besides, I'll likely be selling my Krampus frame later in the
> year and that combined with left over funds from the Vaya sale should allow
> me to pick-up a new Surly Ogre frame for all my dirt road disc brake needs.
>
> But yeah, sell the Bomba and Sequoia and get the bike you want. You should
> have no problem selling either.
>
> --mike
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[RBW] Re: Advice on herd thinning (or, scheming to get another bike)

[Leaf Slayer]

Sell the Bombadil and Sequoia. A few years back I sold off the last of my 
Rivs, an AHH to make room for and fund a mountain bike. I don't regret that 
move. This may sound crazy, but my LHT was the bike I wish my AHH was. I 
had previously sold off my Rambouilet and Quickbeam. About a year before I 
sold the Riv I had purchased a Salsa Vaya with the intention of that being 
a replacement for the AHH and LHT. It just never worked out that way. I 
really wanted to like the Salsa with it's disc brakes and all but it just 
never felt right. It's now in the process of being sold. My point is, if 
you're really not in love with or using the bikes, move them on to someone 
else and make room for the bike you want. 

Once my Vaya is sold I'll likely pick-up a 26" wheeled 60cm LHT. Sure 
there's redundancy with my current LHT but I always regret not getting that 
in the first place. I've threatened to build one up for years. I have most 
of the parts laying around with the exception of rims. I was looking at the 
Alppa's for a second but I'm in-between sizing. I know the LHT will work. I 
also thought about the Crust Bikes Romanceur (Sp?) but again, why not just 
stick with what works, the LHT. And finally, I'm fine with cantis for 90% 
of my riding. Besides, I'll likely be selling my Krampus frame later in the 
year and that combined with left over funds from the Vaya sale should allow 
me to pick-up a new Surly Ogre frame for all my dirt road disc brake needs.

But yeah, sell the Bomba and Sequoia and get the bike you want. You should 
have no problem selling either.

--mike

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[RBW] Re: Advice on herd thinning (or, scheming to get another bike)

[Bob Lovejoy]

No, I know *exactly* the feeling as I am making the same decisions.   But 
agreed on the paint option and all for any of the bikes.  But still I look, 
envision, study, imagine...  I will admit the silver Appaloosa's call to me 
as well. 

Bob


On Friday, March 17, 2017 at 7:28:02 AM UTC-5, Sky Coulter wrote:
>
> He pretty much said that either would work out, but he thought the 58 was 
> the more appropriate size. He did suggest that the bar height between the 
> 55 appa and the 60saluki would be about the same, but didn't offer much 
> more in the way of specifics. 
>
>  I don't think there are any appas in BC at the moment, so a try before u 
> buy seems unlikely.
>
> Waiting is of course a totally reasonable option. I don't need a touring 
> bike right now and if i do then the bomba can fill that role temporarily. 
>  I guess some of what's driving this is the desire for the new shiny thing. 
>  And I worry that they'll sell out of the silver appas. But like Keith 
> suggested, it is just paint and a couple hundred dollars.
>
> sky in new west
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Advice on herd thinning (or, scheming to get another bike)

[Sky Coulter]

He pretty much said that either would work out, but he thought the 58 was 
the more appropriate size. He did suggest that the bar height between the 
55 appa and the 60saluki would be about the same, but didn't offer much 
more in the way of specifics. 

 I don't think there are any appas in BC at the moment, so a try before u 
buy seems unlikely.

Waiting is of course a totally reasonable option. I don't need a touring 
bike right now and if i do then the bomba can fill that role temporarily. 
 I guess some of what's driving this is the desire for the new shiny thing. 
 And I worry that they'll sell out of the silver appas. But like Keith 
suggested, it is just paint and a couple hundred dollars.

sky in new west

On Friday, March 17, 2017 at 5:17:22 AM UTC-7, Bob Lovejoy wrote:
>
> Not that I am a role model for patience, but there is some wisdom here... 
>  That said, I truly understand the timing and the lure. 
>
> Sky - Would there be any chance for you to find and ride a 55cm Appaloosa, 
> just to verify the numbers with actual?  I study the numbers too, and 
> believe in them for the most part, but seeing and riding is always the 
> better test.   Out of curiosity, how strongly was Will making his argument 
> on sizing?
>
> Bob
>  
>
> On Friday, March 17, 2017 at 5:51:33 AM UTC-5, iamkeith wrote:
>>
>> 1.  Sell the bombadil.  As noted, it's too big for you, to be used as 
>> intended.
>>
>> 2. Don't buy the joe.  It's too small for you.
>>
>> 3.  Buy one of the new 56cm hunqapillars, and have it painted silver for 
>> the extra $100.  It is exactly the right size for you, chainstays have 
>> crept up in length (making it and the joe more similar), wooly mammoths are 
>> cooler than horses, EVERYBODY needs a mountain bike of some sort,  it takes 
>> a much fatter tire than your bomba and, once you try those fatter tires, 
>> you wont want to ride anything else.
>>
>> 4.  In a year or two, when you realize that the hunq is all you need, 
>> sell me your saluki.
>>
>> (If it seems like i put a lot of thought into this exact question, it's 
>> because i have.  Like Tony, Im the same size as you)
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Advice on herd thinning (or, scheming to get another bike)

[Bob Lovejoy]

Not that I am a role model for patience, but there is some wisdom here... 
 That said, I truly understand the timing and the lure. 

Sky - Would there be any chance for you to find and ride a 55cm Appaloosa, 
just to verify the numbers with actual?  I study the numbers too, and 
believe in them for the most part, but seeing and riding is always the 
better test.   Out of curiosity, how strongly was Will making his argument 
on sizing?

Bob
 

On Friday, March 17, 2017 at 5:51:33 AM UTC-5, iamkeith wrote:
>
> 1.  Sell the bombadil.  As noted, it's too big for you, to be used as 
> intended.
>
> 2. Don't buy the joe.  It's too small for you.
>
> 3.  Buy one of the new 56cm hunqapillars, and have it painted silver for 
> the extra $100.  It is exactly the right size for you, chainstays have 
> crept up in length (making it and the joe more similar), wooly mammoths are 
> cooler than horses, EVERYBODY needs a mountain bike of some sort,  it takes 
> a much fatter tire than your bomba and, once you try those fatter tires, 
> you wont want to ride anything else.
>
> 4.  In a year or two, when you realize that the hunq is all you need, sell 
> me your saluki.
>
> (If it seems like i put a lot of thought into this exact question, it's 
> because i have.  Like Tony, Im the same size as you)
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Advice on herd thinning (or, scheming to get another bike)

[Sky Coulter]

Keith,

I don't see why the joe would be too small.  Comparing the stack and reach 
numbers the appa would get the handlebars up higher and it would have a 
shorter reach to the bars - which i think would work well for drops.  Is 
there something I'm missing?

Thanks,

Sky

On Friday, March 17, 2017 at 3:51:33 AM UTC-7, iamkeith wrote:
>
> 1.  Sell the bombadil.  As noted, it's too big for you, to be used as 
> intended.
>
> 2. Don't buy the joe.  It's too small for you.
>
> 3.  Buy one of the new 56cm hunqapillars, and have it painted silver for 
> the extra $100.  It is exactly the right size for you, chainstays have 
> crept up in length (making it and the joe more similar), wooly mammoths are 
> cooler than horses, EVERYBODY needs a mountain bike of some sort,  it takes 
> a much fatter tire than your bomba and, once you try those fatter tires, 
> you wont want to ride anything else.
>
> 4.  In a year or two, when you realize that the hunq is all you need, sell 
> me your saluki.
>
> (If it seems like i put a lot of thought into this exact question, it's 
> because i have.  Like Tony, Im the same size as you)
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Advice on herd thinning (or, scheming to get another bike)

[Ron Mc]

pick two, offer up both, see which bites, and let the interest of others 
decide for you

On Friday, March 17, 2017 at 6:40:53 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Cultivate contentment?
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Thursday, March 16, 2017 at 7:45:54 PM UTC-6, Sky Coulter wrote:
>>
>>
>> I have a bunch of bikes, with a fair bit of overlap, and yet I find 
>> myself lusting after n+1. 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Advice on herd thinning (or, scheming to get another bike)

[Sky Coulter]

Oh, I plan to Patrick. It's just that clearly contentment is just around 
the next corner, or in this case, in the saddle of n+1.

But ya, of course. That would be the truly wise choicesky

On Friday, March 17, 2017 at 4:40:53 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Cultivate contentment?
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Thursday, March 16, 2017 at 7:45:54 PM UTC-6, Sky Coulter wrote:
>>
>>
>> I have a bunch of bikes, with a fair bit of overlap, and yet I find 
>> myself lusting after n+1. 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Advice on herd thinning (or, scheming to get another bike)

[Deacon Patrick]

Cultivate contentment?

With abandon,
Patrick

On Thursday, March 16, 2017 at 7:45:54 PM UTC-6, Sky Coulter wrote:
>
>
> I have a bunch of bikes, with a fair bit of overlap, and yet I find myself 
> lusting after n+1. 
>

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[RBW] Re: Advice on herd thinning (or, scheming to get another bike)

[Sky Coulter]

oops, i meant 391.7 not 381.7 for reach

On Thursday, March 16, 2017 at 8:53:10 PM UTC-7, Sky Coulter wrote:
>
> I don't really know for sure if the appa will work w drops, but i think it 
> will, otherwise i prolly wouldn't be interested in it.  The other rivendell 
> option would be a 61cm atlantis. The stack and reach numbers b/w it and the 
> 55cm appa are pretty similar.  But if those numbers are similar, then the 
> deciding factors for me are standover and asthetics.  The 61cm atlantis is 
> 85.1 as per the geo chart and will tells me the 55 appa is 83.5.  I can 
> tolerate up to 88cm, but i prefer it low, like the 84cm on my saluki. So i 
> do tend to think the appa w drops should work.  The saluki's top tube is 
> 59.5. the appa's is 59.8 w a stack of 618 and a reach of 381.7 or something 
> close.  I feel confident enough that those numbers should work for me with 
> drops that i'd be willing to buy one.
>
> And if i do and then take it for a spin and it turns out i was wrong, i 
> promise to post here at length about it, gnash me teeth, rend my clothes, 
> and wail my misfortune to all, so as to save any other foolish souls from 
> making a similar mistake :)
>
> Sky in new west
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Advice on herd thinning (or, scheming to get another bike)

[Sky Coulter]

Hi Mark, thanks for the thoughts.  Ya actually, some part of it is the 
thrill of a new bike for sure. And I do love the silver-cream colour combo. 
 But I guess the "reason" I want the appa is for touring.  Not that I'm 
likely to get away for more than a couple days anytime in the next couple 
years, but at some point, I'd like to do a lengthy tour again.  My current 
'touring' bike is the bombadil, but it is a bit bigger than I'm comfortable 
with.  So I guess the thought is to sell the bomba and replace it with an 
appa that fits better.  The possibility of getting rid of another bike or 
two comes up as I try to determine whether I can or should reduce the herd 
further.  

I feel quite similarly about building up bikes for family members. My wife 
has a betty foy, a trek 620, and a modern 520; my daughter (12) has a soma 
buena vista, and my son (10) has a long haul trucker :). A friend and I 
used to build up nice budget bikes for friends under our joke bike brand 
"hi-5 cycles" but he died a while ago and I've been sticking mostly to just 
building for family members since...sky



On Thursday, March 16, 2017 at 9:37:35 PM UTC-7, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>
> What are you expecting from the Appaloosa that you are not getting from 
> your current bicycles? If it's the thrill of a new bike, a silver paint 
> job, that's fine. But realize you will probably be in the same situation a 
> year from now. 
>
> My advice would be sell the Bombadil and put the money in a bike slush 
> fund, but don't commit to anything for the summer, just ride the bikes you 
> have. Then see where you're at. Maybe a used Wilbury or Gomez or Cheviut in 
> your size will come up for sale, and you won't have to worry about 
> standover. 
>
> I generally deal with my obsession by buying used bicycles pretty cheap 
> and circulating and selling parts and stuff to keep me at not too much 
> money spent each year. And now that I have a 7-year-old who enjoys riding, 
> I get to buy bikes for him. I also like to help out friends. 
>
> On Thursday, March 16, 2017 at 9:45:54 PM UTC-4, Sky Coulter wrote:
>>
>> Hey All,
>>
>> I have a bunch of bikes, with a fair bit of overlap, and yet I find 
>> myself lusting after n+1. At the same time, I don't have a lot of cash to 
>> throw toward a new bike and love the idea of reducing the number of bikes I 
>> have.  So I'm kind of inclined to sell off one or two to make more physical 
>> and mental space and to fund the pursuit of the N+1.  With that in mind I 
>> invite advice, jeers, and any other comments you might feel inclined to 
>> make in helping guide and influence my decision process. It's a wordy post 
>> and probably of limited interest, but there are pictures at least.
>>
>> pictures here:  
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/140959259@N03/albums/72157681401817736/with/32640008764/
>>
>> The N+1 I'm after is a 55cm silver appaloosa. It's quite a bit smaller in 
>> seat tube length than my other bikes, but Will told me the standover is 
>> 83.5cm and the stack and reach numbers on the geometry chart look about 
>> right for me. I'll build it up with drop bars. Will thought the 58cm would 
>> probably be a better fit, but I think the older I get the more standover 
>> clearance I'm likely to want.
>>
>> In the stable currently are:
>>
>> 1. 60cm butterscotch Saluki. Probably my best fitting bike with a 84cm 
>> standover on 42mm parimotos (measuring closer to 38mm).  Not a bike I'm 
>> really willing to part with.  It's quite possibly the nicest bike I'll ever 
>> own and I can see riding it until I can't swing a leg over the saddle.
>>
>> 2. 60cm twin top tube dark green  Bombadil.  This one is probably the 
>> most likely to get moved on as the standover is a bit too tight for 
>> comfort.  It's ok on level ground, but a quick dismount on uneven terrain 
>> is a frightening proposition.  my pbh is 89cm, although generally I go by 
>> 88cm as I seem to prefer a slight size down approach with rivendells.  The 
>> standover on the bombadil with 45cm tires is ~88.5cm, which is ok for 
>> controlled dismounts, but really, feels a little too big.  My reluctance to 
>> sell it at the moment is that selling the frame alone won't get me enough 
>> for a replacement frame that fits and that if I sell it as a complete, I'll 
>> need to buy a new build kit.
>>
>> 3. 59cm orange Clementine. This bike won't go anywhere for the next 
>> while. It's really my baby daughter's bike, I just act as a chauffeur.
>>
>> 4. 61cm light blue Romulus.  I love this bike.  It feels the fastest of 
>> the bikes I own.  Unfortunately it does overlap a fair bit with the Saluki 
>> so it's a bit redundant to keep around. Currently I tell myself that it can 
>> be differentiated as my "beater" bike and ridden in crappy vancouver winter 
>> weather. But really, I'm just lying to myself there; I'd be perfectly 
>> willing to ride the saluki in crappy weather too and with the wider tires 
>> it's probably a better choice.  

[RBW] Re: Advice on herd thinning (or, scheming to get another bike)

[Sky Coulter]

Thanks for your advice Chris. Ya, you're right. The size problem can't be 
corrected so moving it on is the right choicesky



On Thursday, March 16, 2017 at 9:27:30 PM UTC-7, Christopher Murray wrote:
>
> Sell the Bomba and keep the rest. It sounds like you know this is the best 
> option but the price you'd likely get for the Bomba vs the price of the 
> Appaloosa is stopping you. I'd sell the Bomba complete and buy a complete 
> Appaloosa. Take off the parts you don't want and sell them.  From your 
> description the Bomba is just too big for you to be comfortable and there's 
> no way to make it smaller. Sell it and move on! 
>
> Chris
>

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[RBW] Re: Advice on herd thinning (or, scheming to get another bike)

[Sky Coulter]

Thanks Tony, I appreciate your comments.  Ya, I think the 56cm bomba would 
have been a better fit for me too.  I think there is a consensus building 
pretty quickly that the bomba should go and that the romulus should be next 
in line.  

I can't really think of much more that I'd want to tweak on the Saluki -- 
except maybe a lugged stem. But the work of undoing the shellacked bare 
tape will probably keep me from doing that for the next couple years at 
least.  And I'm pretty happy with the clementine as it is. I do have some 
fancier parts, like IRD thumbshifters that I could put on it, but since 
tightening the existing shifters, I haven't felt any need to swap them out. 
 I kind of like the idea of trying to keep the build cheap on it, if u know 
what i mean.

Thanks,

Sky

On Thursday, March 16, 2017 at 8:56:43 PM UTC-7, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>
> You've got good 'problems'! :)  Great photo's and really gorgeous builds 
> and bikes.
>
> And you and I are about the same size... I've also got a 60cm Saluki which 
> is the jewel in my collection and recently sold a 56 Bombadil.  I've never 
> ridden a 60 Bombadil but given the fit of the 56 I don't think it would 
> have worked well for me at least as the off pavement workhorse it was built 
> to be.  For me personally 3-4 bikes is about the max for getting enough 
> riding out of each of them to be worth it. Actually last year I had the 
> Saluki, Bomba, XO-3 and Bob Jackson go-fast built and available almost the 
> full year, the usage was about 80/15/4/1.  Your comments on the Romulus 
> sound alot like my own for my Bob Jackson, without a doubt the quickest, 
> lightest bike I own and w/ Compass 32mm tires it has 'magic'... but I don't 
> ride it much, its not built up for carrying a commuting load and when I 
> swapped my Saluki back to drop bars and unloaded it I feel like I've got 
> 95% of the same sensation w/ extra cargo capacity and nicer lugs...  Unlike 
> my attempts to sell the Jackson you'd probably find a pretty willing market 
> on the Romulus.
>
> Chris/Pondero made a comment to me and I think on the board about a year 
> ago about continuing to build up the same bike over and over again that 
> really struck a chord with me.  The dilemma/opportunity of an all-rounder 
> frame is the draw to continuously re-imagine it.  Right now I'm more about 
> perfecting each bike in it's existing build rather than re-building it up 
> with different personalities.
>
> Not sure exactly how to bend this back to your OP but I guess I'd say I 
> heartily agree with your keep the Saluki/Clementine (wife has a 52 
> Clementine and its great!).  Like the others I'd say shop the Bombadil and 
> I'd depart from the others a bit and say shop the Romulus to... commit to 
> the next frame, burn your ships, er bikes! :)  Use the funds to splurge on 
> some Saluki or Clementine components if you have anything leftover from the 
> Appaloosa build.  On the Specialized sounds like you've got the right idea 
> to ride it till you figure it out one way or another.
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[RBW] Re: Advice on herd thinning (or, scheming to get another bike)

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

What are you expecting from the Appaloosa that you are not getting from 
your current bicycles? If it's the thrill of a new bike, a silver paint 
job, that's fine. But realize you will probably be in the same situation a 
year from now. 

My advice would be sell the Bombadil and put the money in a bike slush 
fund, but don't commit to anything for the summer, just ride the bikes you 
have. Then see where you're at. Maybe a used Wilbury or Gomez or Cheviut in 
your size will come up for sale, and you won't have to worry about 
standover. 

I generally deal with my obsession by buying used bicycles pretty cheap and 
circulating and selling parts and stuff to keep me at not too much money 
spent each year. And now that I have a 7-year-old who enjoys riding, I get 
to buy bikes for him. I also like to help out friends. 

On Thursday, March 16, 2017 at 9:45:54 PM UTC-4, Sky Coulter wrote:
>
> Hey All,
>
> I have a bunch of bikes, with a fair bit of overlap, and yet I find myself 
> lusting after n+1. At the same time, I don't have a lot of cash to throw 
> toward a new bike and love the idea of reducing the number of bikes I have. 
>  So I'm kind of inclined to sell off one or two to make more physical and 
> mental space and to fund the pursuit of the N+1.  With that in mind I 
> invite advice, jeers, and any other comments you might feel inclined to 
> make in helping guide and influence my decision process. It's a wordy post 
> and probably of limited interest, but there are pictures at least.
>
> pictures here:  
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/140959259@N03/albums/72157681401817736/with/32640008764/
>
> The N+1 I'm after is a 55cm silver appaloosa. It's quite a bit smaller in 
> seat tube length than my other bikes, but Will told me the standover is 
> 83.5cm and the stack and reach numbers on the geometry chart look about 
> right for me. I'll build it up with drop bars. Will thought the 58cm would 
> probably be a better fit, but I think the older I get the more standover 
> clearance I'm likely to want.
>
> In the stable currently are:
>
> 1. 60cm butterscotch Saluki. Probably my best fitting bike with a 84cm 
> standover on 42mm parimotos (measuring closer to 38mm).  Not a bike I'm 
> really willing to part with.  It's quite possibly the nicest bike I'll ever 
> own and I can see riding it until I can't swing a leg over the saddle.
>
> 2. 60cm twin top tube dark green  Bombadil.  This one is probably the most 
> likely to get moved on as the standover is a bit too tight for comfort. 
>  It's ok on level ground, but a quick dismount on uneven terrain is a 
> frightening proposition.  my pbh is 89cm, although generally I go by 88cm 
> as I seem to prefer a slight size down approach with rivendells.  The 
> standover on the bombadil with 45cm tires is ~88.5cm, which is ok for 
> controlled dismounts, but really, feels a little too big.  My reluctance to 
> sell it at the moment is that selling the frame alone won't get me enough 
> for a replacement frame that fits and that if I sell it as a complete, I'll 
> need to buy a new build kit.
>
> 3. 59cm orange Clementine. This bike won't go anywhere for the next while. 
> It's really my baby daughter's bike, I just act as a chauffeur.
>
> 4. 61cm light blue Romulus.  I love this bike.  It feels the fastest of 
> the bikes I own.  Unfortunately it does overlap a fair bit with the Saluki 
> so it's a bit redundant to keep around. Currently I tell myself that it can 
> be differentiated as my "beater" bike and ridden in crappy vancouver winter 
> weather. But really, I'm just lying to myself there; I'd be perfectly 
> willing to ride the saluki in crappy weather too and with the wider tires 
> it's probably a better choice.  Really, I don't wanna sell it because I'm 
> attached to it and I don't think it'd ever sell for as much as it's worth 
> to me.  But I feel a little guilty holding onto it because it takes up 
> space and doesn't offer anything the other bikes don't.
>
> 5. 2016 61cm matte black Specialized Sequoia.  I bought this a month ago 
> to try out the allroad category from a big bike company and to try STI 
> shifting and mechanical disk brakes.  It's alright.  I don't think I'll 
> like it as much as my rivs and I kinda regret buying it instead of 
> pre-ordering an appa frameset, but I wanted to try something different. I'd 
> like to keep it for a year or so, try a couple different things with it 
> before deciding to move it on.
>
>
> So if you were in my shoes, and the Clementine and Saluki were the two 
> bikes you intend to hold onto no matter what, what would u do?
>
> thanks,
>
> Sky in new west
>
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Advice on herd thinning (or, scheming to get another bike)

[Christopher Murray]

Sell the Bomba and keep the rest. It sounds like you know this is the best 
option but the price you'd likely get for the Bomba vs the price of the 
Appaloosa is stopping you. I'd sell the Bomba complete and buy a complete 
Appaloosa. Take off the parts you don't want and sell them.  From your 
description the Bomba is just too big for you to be comfortable and there's no 
way to make it smaller. Sell it and move on! 

Chris

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[RBW] Re: Advice on herd thinning (or, scheming to get another bike)

[Tony DeFilippo]

You've got good 'problems'! :)  Great photo's and really gorgeous builds 
and bikes.

And you and I are about the same size... I've also got a 60cm Saluki which 
is the jewel in my collection and recently sold a 56 Bombadil.  I've never 
ridden a 60 Bombadil but given the fit of the 56 I don't think it would 
have worked well for me at least as the off pavement workhorse it was built 
to be.  For me personally 3-4 bikes is about the max for getting enough 
riding out of each of them to be worth it. Actually last year I had the 
Saluki, Bomba, XO-3 and Bob Jackson go-fast built and available almost the 
full year, the usage was about 80/15/4/1.  Your comments on the Romulus 
sound alot like my own for my Bob Jackson, without a doubt the quickest, 
lightest bike I own and w/ Compass 32mm tires it has 'magic'... but I don't 
ride it much, its not built up for carrying a commuting load and when I 
swapped my Saluki back to drop bars and unloaded it I feel like I've got 
95% of the same sensation w/ extra cargo capacity and nicer lugs...  Unlike 
my attempts to sell the Jackson you'd probably find a pretty willing market 
on the Romulus.

Chris/Pondero made a comment to me and I think on the board about a year 
ago about continuing to build up the same bike over and over again that 
really struck a chord with me.  The dilemma/opportunity of an all-rounder 
frame is the draw to continuously re-imagine it.  Right now I'm more about 
perfecting each bike in it's existing build rather than re-building it up 
with different personalities.

Not sure exactly how to bend this back to your OP but I guess I'd say I 
heartily agree with your keep the Saluki/Clementine (wife has a 52 
Clementine and its great!).  Like the others I'd say shop the Bombadil and 
I'd depart from the others a bit and say shop the Romulus to... commit to 
the next frame, burn your ships, er bikes! :)  Use the funds to splurge on 
some Saluki or Clementine components if you have anything leftover from the 
Appaloosa build.  On the Specialized sounds like you've got the right idea 
to ride it till you figure it out one way or another.

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[RBW] Re: Advice on herd thinning (or, scheming to get another bike)

[Sky Coulter]

I don't really know for sure if the appa will work w drops, but i think it 
will, otherwise i prolly wouldn't be interested in it.  The other rivendell 
option would be a 61cm atlantis. The stack and reach numbers b/w it and the 
55cm appa are pretty similar.  But if those numbers are similar, then the 
deciding factors for me are standover and asthetics.  The 61cm atlantis is 85.1 
as per the geo chart and will tells me the 55 appa is 83.5.  I can tolerate up 
to 88cm, but i prefer it low, like the 84cm on my saluki. So i do tend to think 
the appa w drops should work.  The saluki's top tube is 59.5. the appa's is 
59.8 w a stack of 618 and a reach of 381.7 or something close.  I feel 
confident enough that those numbers should work for me with drops that i'd be 
willing to buy one.

And if i do and then take it for a spin and it turns out i was wrong, i promise 
to post here at length about it, gnash me teeth, rend my clothes, and wail my 
misfortune to all, so as to save any other foolish souls from making a similar 
mistake :)

Sky in new west

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[RBW] Re: Advice on herd thinning (or, scheming to get another bike)

[Valerie Yates]

Well, you don't sound too reluctant to see the Bombadil, so that's 
something. 

I wonder if a drop bar Appaloosa will make you happy. Has anyone been happy 
with that set-up? I love mine but feels very clearly an upright style bike. 
I feel on top of the world and can see forever when I ride it. I like drop 
bars fine on other bikes but, on an Appaloosa, it would be like buying a 
convertible and only ever driving it with the hard top. 

 
On Thursday, March 16, 2017 at 8:27:57 PM UTC-6, Sky Coulter wrote:
>
> But i have found a reluctance to sell every bike i've ever sold. 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Advice on herd thinning (or, scheming to get another bike)

[Sky Coulter]

Thanks Bob,

Good advice. I took the AWOL for a quick spin too. I really quite liked it. But 
i felt a bit more comfortably stretched out on the sequoia, although i quite 
liked the improved clearance on the AWOL.

Sky in new west

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[RBW] Re: Advice on herd thinning (or, scheming to get another bike)

[Sky Coulter]

Val,

Thanks for the input. What u say is wise.  Once gone a bike is gone. But i have 
found a reluctance to sell every bike i've ever sold. So sometimes i worry it's 
more a hoarder tendency than a true love.  And though you're right, the sequoia 
hasn't made my heart sing, it took me a while to get the saluki just right. So 
i worry about giving up on it too soon.  

I think right now, i'd be more inclined to keep the romulus than to sell it. 
And even if i can't justify the space, i'd probably go w erl's suggestion and 
just box the frame for fear of remorse rather than selling it.

Sky in new west

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[RBW] Re: Advice on herd thinning (or, scheming to get another bike)

[Bob Lovejoy]

Sky,

It seems we live in parallel universes, except yours is a lot , LOT, nicer! 
 You have chosen well...

I do agree with Erl's recommendation on selling the Bombadil as that should 
cover Appaloosa costs.  That, and the Appa, set up the way you are 
intending, with drops and all, might be a mostly worthy and better fitting 
replacement.

And saving the Romulus as a frame (or complete) has merit.  You would be 
very hard pressed to find another 61cm I am thinking, though I suppose not 
impossible.  I sold my 61cm Romulus way back when and it is the one bike I 
most regret selling.

Also, I made the same kind of decision lately building a new Specialized 
AWOL.   You should ride the Specialized early and often and decide if it 
will ever really measure up or be used in a way that the Rivs cannot.  The 
problem with selling the Specialized is you will probably not get really 
close to what you paid.  BUT... the best bikes are the ones we love, the 
ones that call to us.  My AWOL is a perfectly good bike, with new 
technology and a great build, but the Cheviot I have, and an old Thorn 
tourer call to me more.

Anyway, from my universe to yours!

Bob

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[RBW] Re: Advice on herd thinning (or, scheming to get another bike)

[Valerie Yates]

Fun question. It sounds to me like you'd be happiest selling the Bombadi 
because it is too big for the kind of riding you'd like to do with it and 
the Sequoia because you don't love it.  I would not sell a bike I love even 
if overlaps with something else. You love the Romulus so I don't see why 
part with it. That seems a path of regrets. I have never regretted selling 
a bike I don't love. If you are not ready to sell the Sequoia this year, 
then wait on the Appaloosa until you are. If the Bombadil parts will work 
on the Appaloosa, then just sell the frame. 

Val in Boulder, CO



On Thursday, March 16, 2017 at 7:45:54 PM UTC-6, Sky Coulter wrote:
>
> Hey All,
>
> I have a bunch of bikes, with a fair bit of overlap, and yet I find myself 
> lusting after n+1. At the same time, I don't have a lot of cash to throw 
> toward a new bike and love the idea of reducing the number of bikes I have. 
>  So I'm kind of inclined to sell off one or two to make more physical and 
> mental space and to fund the pursuit of the N+1.  With that in mind I 
> invite advice, jeers, and any other comments you might feel inclined to 
> make in helping guide and influence my decision process. It's a wordy post 
> and probably of limited interest, but there are pictures at least.
>
> pictures here:  
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/140959259@N03/albums/72157681401817736/with/32640008764/
>
> The N+1 I'm after is a 55cm silver appaloosa. It's quite a bit smaller in 
> seat tube length than my other bikes, but Will told me the standover is 
> 83.5cm and the stack and reach numbers on the geometry chart look about 
> right for me. I'll build it up with drop bars. Will thought the 58cm would 
> probably be a better fit, but I think the older I get the more standover 
> clearance I'm likely to want.
>
> In the stable currently are:
>
> 1. 60cm butterscotch Saluki. Probably my best fitting bike with a 84cm 
> standover on 42mm parimotos (measuring closer to 38mm).  Not a bike I'm 
> really willing to part with.  It's quite possibly the nicest bike I'll ever 
> own and I can see riding it until I can't swing a leg over the saddle.
>
> 2. 60cm twin top tube dark green  Bombadil.  This one is probably the most 
> likely to get moved on as the standover is a bit too tight for comfort. 
>  It's ok on level ground, but a quick dismount on uneven terrain is a 
> frightening proposition.  my pbh is 89cm, although generally I go by 88cm 
> as I seem to prefer a slight size down approach with rivendells.  The 
> standover on the bombadil with 45cm tires is ~88.5cm, which is ok for 
> controlled dismounts, but really, feels a little too big.  My reluctance to 
> sell it at the moment is that selling the frame alone won't get me enough 
> for a replacement frame that fits and that if I sell it as a complete, I'll 
> need to buy a new build kit.
>
> 3. 59cm orange Clementine. This bike won't go anywhere for the next while. 
> It's really my baby daughter's bike, I just act as a chauffeur.
>
> 4. 61cm light blue Romulus.  I love this bike.  It feels the fastest of 
> the bikes I own.  Unfortunately it does overlap a fair bit with the Saluki 
> so it's a bit redundant to keep around. Currently I tell myself that it can 
> be differentiated as my "beater" bike and ridden in crappy vancouver winter 
> weather. But really, I'm just lying to myself there; I'd be perfectly 
> willing to ride the saluki in crappy weather too and with the wider tires 
> it's probably a better choice.  Really, I don't wanna sell it because I'm 
> attached to it and I don't think it'd ever sell for as much as it's worth 
> to me.  But I feel a little guilty holding onto it because it takes up 
> space and doesn't offer anything the other bikes don't.
>
> 5. 2016 61cm matte black Specialized Sequoia.  I bought this a month ago 
> to try out the allroad category from a big bike company and to try STI 
> shifting and mechanical disk brakes.  It's alright.  I don't think I'll 
> like it as much as my rivs and I kinda regret buying it instead of 
> pre-ordering an appa frameset, but I wanted to try something different. I'd 
> like to keep it for a year or so, try a couple different things with it 
> before deciding to move it on.
>
>
> So if you were in my shoes, and the Clementine and Saluki were the two 
> bikes you intend to hold onto no matter what, what would u do?
>
> thanks,
>
> Sky in new west
>
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Advice on herd thinning (or, scheming to get another bike)

[Sky Coulter]

Thanks Erl..that's a plan I hadn't considered...sky

On Thursday, March 16, 2017 at 7:03:12 PM UTC-7, WETH wrote:
>
> Sky,
> I'll get things started.  If I were you, I'd sell the Bombadil as a 
> complete package to fund the Appaloosa.  I'd then move the Romulus' 
> components to the Appaloosa and keep the Romulus frameset to see how much 
> you miss riding it.  If you really want to use it as a beater, buy some 
> used parts and build away.  
>
> Finally, if you ever decide to sell that lovely Saluki, please let me 
> know! ;)
>
> Good luck with n+1!
> Erl 
>
>

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