[RBW] Re: Bump! ISO: 10-speed spacers. And question.

2024-04-02 Thread Bill Lindsay
Patrick Moore claims to be confused, which I believe.
Patrick Moore claims to have bought a product that he understands to be a 
10-speed spacer, and that object measures 2.04mm in thickness
Patrick Moore notes that St Sheldon's site says that 10-speed inter-cog 
spacers are 2.35mm in thickness

Patrick Moore requests an explanation of the above apparent discrepancy

I suspect Patrick Moore bought a different product than he thinks he 
bought.  There is a common product that enables one to fit a 10sp cassette 
onto an 11sp road cassette driver.  That product is a spacer, and that 
spacer is 2.0mm thick.  Problem Solvers is one vendor that sells such a 
product, and it has nothing to do with inter-cog spacers.  

I use 2.35mm when calculating 10-speed stack ups and I use 2.18mm when 
calculating 11-speed stack ups.   

The Performance webstore has a <$25 price on the Shimano HG-500 10-speed 
11-25 cassette.  That would yield a bunch of spacers and a bunch of useful 
cogs.  The HG-500 model has no spider stuff.  It's all cogs and spacers, 
riveted together and the rivets are easy to scrub out.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA
On Tuesday, April 2, 2024 at 11:05:18 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Perhaps -- guessing -- the 2.0 spacer is for 11 sp cassettes, and the 
> (consistently measured) 2.04 mm plastic ones are so made to accommodate a 
> bit of compression which the 2.0 (consistent) aluminum ones don't suffer?
>
> So: 2.0 = 11 speed?
>
> 2.35: 10 speed?
>
> 2.54: 9 speed?
>
> Cogs:
>
> 11 speed: ?
>
> 10 speed: 1.6 mm per Sheldon and my caliper
>
> 9 speed: ~1.8 mm per Sheldon (1.78) and my caliper.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Bump! ISO: 10-speed spacers. And question.

2024-04-02 Thread Patrick Moore
Perhaps -- guessing -- the 2.0 spacer is for 11 sp cassettes, and the
(consistently measured) 2.04 mm plastic ones are so made to accommodate a
bit of compression which the 2.0 (consistent) aluminum ones don't suffer?

So: 2.0 = 11 speed?

2.35: 10 speed?

2.54: 9 speed?

Cogs:

11 speed: ?

10 speed: 1.6 mm per Sheldon and my caliper

9 speed: ~1.8 mm per Sheldon (1.78) and my caliper.

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[RBW] Re: Bump! ISO: 10-speed spacers. And question.

2024-04-02 Thread Patrick Moore
I forgot to add that Sheldon says 2.35 mm for 10 sp; but mine (assume 10 sp
because so ordered) are 2.04, again consistently with Park digital caliper.
Is 2.04 (or 2 mm -- willing to consider 4/100 mm user or instrument error,
or mfr error) for 11 speed? At any rate, my various 10 sp home brew
cassettes have been shifting wonderfully with the 2.04 mm ones.

And someone on the RBW list pointed me to the right page on AliExpress
where I can find 2.35, 2.18, and 2.0 as well as 2.5 mm. Just want
clarification on the 2.0/2.04 and confirmation for the 2.35.

It's all so confusing.

On Tue, Apr 2, 2024 at 11:43 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> *ISO* at least 7 and better 9, 10-speed spacers. Happy to salvage from
> worn out cassette. Please? $, trade, or charity.
>
> *Question: *Where can I find a reliable chart showing manufacturer's
> (Shimano; not interested in other mfrs) width specs for spacers and cogs
> for 9, 10, and 11 speed drivetrains? If chains included, so much the
> better. Sheldon has a chart that includes 9 and 10 but does not include 11
> but I'd like to compare 11 and confirm 9 and 10.
>
> The 2 spare 10-sp cassette spacers I have (red plastic, ordered for
> Shimano 10 sp from Cycle Clinic)  measure 2.04 mm, but I stumbled across 6
> alum spacers that measure 2mm. Are these alum spacers for 11 sp?
>
> At any rate, I would like to find at least 7, better 9 2.04 mm spacers for
> the Shimano spline pattern.
>
> I can find them new online for $6 per + shipping; can't find them on
> AliExpress; if youse plural have online sources reasonably priced, I'd be
> grateful to hear of them.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 30, 2024 at 2:34 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> Welp, the otherwise very competent LBS that built my new Oracle Ridge
>> wheelset flubbed my special order of a dozen 10-sp Shimano spacers. I stole
>> the spacers from the older, Soma slick wheelset, but I'd like to find at
>> least 9 and up to a dozen 10 sp spacers. A second LBS I checked with just
>> now doesn't carry loose spacers, at least, unless you can find them in an
>>  ods-and-ends bin.
>>
>

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