[RBW] Re: Questions about bars and brake levers

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks, all. I finally forced myself to stop dithering and ordered a
MAP/Ahearne bar, black and 31.8. I fully intend to cut at least 2" and
perhaps 3" off each end, and I hope that this doesn't make too many people
wince. But 610 mm (the 31.8 comes only in this width; the 570 in 25.4)
ought to be a very likeable ~560 mm if I take 2-3" off each end, and bring
the width between ends down by an estimated total of 2". We'll see.

I'd have happily bought a Rivendell bar (have bought many in the past) but
they all have too much sweepback, except the Bullmoose, and that costs
about 15X what the bike is worth, and I'd have to cut it severely anyway.
(I'm not ideological about narrow bars; I've tried any number of wide bars,
properly set up, and I just don't like them.)

I seriously considered the Jones bar, but 2 negative reviews made me pause,
and it does involve a great deal more of tubular real estate than the MAP.

I was very tempted by the Dajia Far Bar (and also considered buying another
Salsa Bell Lap or current equivalent), but that would have required a new
(taller) stem and new brake levers, so we shall see what the MAP bar brings.

Next up: cranks.

Riv content: I realize that aesthetically the Monocog is not Rivendellian,
but it does share at least the traits of steel, simple, durable, and
anti-fashion, and the handling suits me fine, whose tastes have been
largely formed by 26 years of riding 5 Rivendells. If Riv made a ss that
took 700C X 75 mm tires, I'd consider buying one.




On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 11:58 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> My Monocog (so much prettier than Leah's Platypus) is surprisingly
> comfortable with the stock (at least, that's what I got with the bike as
> second owner) mtb bar after I cut fully 8" off of it, but the shortening
> also cut off the ends that curved backward, and now there is only a minimal
> rearward angle; I'd like more. Also, I'd like more positions, both a sit up
> and beg type position and a lower and narrower hard-surface cruising
> position in addition to the sit-up-and-beg.
>
> I know that I could get what I need with a longer (say 110 or 120 mm
> instead of 90) and higher (say 45* instead of 30*) stem, but the Monocog
> has cable discs (which work perfectly well with mtb levers, btw -- no
> rubbing, strong, only rather grabby). If I were to swap in a drop bar, I'd
> have to change the levers.
>
> 1. Jones bar or flared drop or something else? I don't want a bar with
> huge rearward sweep and, in fact, if I were to buy the Jones bar I looked
> at, I'd amputate all but fistfulls from each end.
>
> 2. If drop, which one? I'd like a flared drop for dirt and brush control,
> but with slightly narrower hoods that are comfortable when cruising on
> flat, hard ground, not hugely wide (of the 6 or 8 flared drops I tried over
> the years, from the original WTBs to the an On One bar of some sort that
> was far too wide, a 44 cm Salsa Bell Lap was the best, but that was 10
> years ago or more. I'd set this up higher and closer so that the hooks are
> comfortable on (flat) singletrack, but the hoods comfortable for cruising
> with elbows bent, and the flats for situpandbeg.
>
> 3. Brake lever question: One advantage of the Jones is that I could use
> the existing levers. But for a drop bar, another question: Has anyone
> experience using cable *MOUNTAIN BIKE *discs with *NON-AERO ROAD* levers?
> Those in question are an old pair of mid-level Campy *non aero* levers.
>
> 4. On One Mary? I find the present too-straight cut down mtb bar more
> comfortable than the apparently similar Suly Open bar, though.
>
> Ta!
>
> Patrick
>
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>
> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Questions about bars and brake levers

[Tim Baldwin]

Patrick, I've ridden both. The Jones and MAP bar sweeps are pretty similar 
but the Jones needs a shorter stem. I went to the Jones for more width. I 
will say the MAP is a better looking bar and I know you don't want to spoil 
your beautiful Monocog with an ugly handlebar.

On Thursday, February 18, 2021 at 11:50:43 AM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Thanks, Tim; I considered the Jones bar but decided I'd like to try the 
> MAP or similar bar first.
>
> On Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 9:14 AM Tim Baldwin  wrote:
>
>> Patrick, I have a 660mm Jones bar I'd be willing to sell. Since you're 
>> putting on a single speed, there's plenty of room to trim down to taste. I 
>> never held the front taped area much but that's because I put it on a bike 
>> with too much reach. Otherwise they were pretty solid for commuting, dirt 
>> roads, and some mellow singletrack. Not sue I would sell for any less than 
>> you would pay for ordering new Ahearne Map bars though.
>>
>> On Thursday, February 18, 2021 at 9:53:41 AM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks. I've been eyeing the Daija Far bar, only 44 cm at the hoods, but 
>>> I think I'll try the MAP or a similar bar first.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 17, 2021 at 9:42 PM Philip Williamson  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Black 31.8 flared drops in either 52 or 58 at the ends. Hoods are much 
 narrower. I like the 58. I got a 52 at a great price from Analog, and 
 Candace said “you probably won’t like it if you’re over 5’2”. She was 
 right, at least with the Ritchey Force stem on the RoadLite. I swapped for 
 a 58 and put moustache bars on the Frances.


 https://www.bike-components.de/en/NITTO/RM-3-SSB-31-8-Handlebars-p73417/#product-image-14

 https://analogcycles.com/product/nitto-super-flare-heat-treated-dirt-drops/
 These used to be easier to find, and the silver 25.4 ones were harder 
 to find. Times change.

 Philip
 Santa Rosa, CA


 On Monday, February 15, 2021 at 10:58:29 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> My Monocog (so much prettier than Leah's Platypus) is surprisingly 
> comfortable with the stock (at least, that's what I got with the bike as 
> second owner) mtb bar after I cut fully 8" off of it, but the shortening 
> also cut off the ends that curved backward, and now there is only a 
> minimal 
> rearward angle; I'd like more. Also, I'd like more positions, both a sit 
> up 
> and beg type position and a lower and narrower hard-surface cruising 
> position in addition to the sit-up-and-beg.
>
> I know that I could get what I need with a longer (say 110 or 120 mm 
> instead of 90) and higher (say 45* instead of 30*) stem, but the Monocog 
> has cable discs (which work perfectly well with mtb levers, btw -- no 
> rubbing, strong, only rather grabby). If I were to swap in a drop bar, 
> I'd 
> have to change the levers.
>
> 1. Jones bar or flared drop or something else? I don't want a bar with 
> huge rearward sweep and, in fact, if I were to buy the Jones bar I looked 
> at, I'd amputate all but fistfulls from each end.
>
> 2. If drop, which one? I'd like a flared drop for dirt and brush 
> control, but with slightly narrower hoods that are comfortable when 
> cruising on flat, hard ground, not hugely wide (of the 6 or 8 flared 
> drops 
> I tried over the years, from the original WTBs to the an On One bar of 
> some 
> sort that was far too wide, a 44 cm Salsa Bell Lap was the best, but that 
> was 10 years ago or more. I'd set this up higher and closer so that the 
> hooks are comfortable on (flat) singletrack, but the hoods comfortable 
> for 
> cruising with elbows bent, and the flats for situpandbeg.
>
> 3. Brake lever question: One advantage of the Jones is that I could 
> use the existing levers. But for a drop bar, another question: Has anyone 
> experience using cable *MOUNTAIN BIKE *discs with *NON-AERO ROAD* levers? 
> Those in question are an old pair of mid-level Campy *non aero*
>  levers.
>
> 4. On One Mary? I find the present too-straight cut down mtb bar more 
> comfortable than the apparently similar Suly Open bar, though.
>
> Ta!
>
> Patrick
>
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>
> ---
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> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
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Re: [RBW] Re: Questions about bars and brake levers

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks, Tim; I considered the Jones bar but decided I'd like to try the MAP
or similar bar first.

On Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 9:14 AM Tim Baldwin  wrote:

> Patrick, I have a 660mm Jones bar I'd be willing to sell. Since you're
> putting on a single speed, there's plenty of room to trim down to taste. I
> never held the front taped area much but that's because I put it on a bike
> with too much reach. Otherwise they were pretty solid for commuting, dirt
> roads, and some mellow singletrack. Not sue I would sell for any less than
> you would pay for ordering new Ahearne Map bars though.
>
> On Thursday, February 18, 2021 at 9:53:41 AM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Thanks. I've been eyeing the Daija Far bar, only 44 cm at the hoods, but
>> I think I'll try the MAP or a similar bar first.
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 17, 2021 at 9:42 PM Philip Williamson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Black 31.8 flared drops in either 52 or 58 at the ends. Hoods are much
>>> narrower. I like the 58. I got a 52 at a great price from Analog, and
>>> Candace said “you probably won’t like it if you’re over 5’2”. She was
>>> right, at least with the Ritchey Force stem on the RoadLite. I swapped for
>>> a 58 and put moustache bars on the Frances.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.bike-components.de/en/NITTO/RM-3-SSB-31-8-Handlebars-p73417/#product-image-14
>>>
>>> https://analogcycles.com/product/nitto-super-flare-heat-treated-dirt-drops/
>>> These used to be easier to find, and the silver 25.4 ones were harder to
>>> find. Times change.
>>>
>>> Philip
>>> Santa Rosa, CA
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 15, 2021 at 10:58:29 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 My Monocog (so much prettier than Leah's Platypus) is surprisingly
 comfortable with the stock (at least, that's what I got with the bike as
 second owner) mtb bar after I cut fully 8" off of it, but the shortening
 also cut off the ends that curved backward, and now there is only a minimal
 rearward angle; I'd like more. Also, I'd like more positions, both a sit up
 and beg type position and a lower and narrower hard-surface cruising
 position in addition to the sit-up-and-beg.

 I know that I could get what I need with a longer (say 110 or 120 mm
 instead of 90) and higher (say 45* instead of 30*) stem, but the Monocog
 has cable discs (which work perfectly well with mtb levers, btw -- no
 rubbing, strong, only rather grabby). If I were to swap in a drop bar, I'd
 have to change the levers.

 1. Jones bar or flared drop or something else? I don't want a bar with
 huge rearward sweep and, in fact, if I were to buy the Jones bar I looked
 at, I'd amputate all but fistfulls from each end.

 2. If drop, which one? I'd like a flared drop for dirt and brush
 control, but with slightly narrower hoods that are comfortable when
 cruising on flat, hard ground, not hugely wide (of the 6 or 8 flared drops
 I tried over the years, from the original WTBs to the an On One bar of some
 sort that was far too wide, a 44 cm Salsa Bell Lap was the best, but that
 was 10 years ago or more. I'd set this up higher and closer so that the
 hooks are comfortable on (flat) singletrack, but the hoods comfortable for
 cruising with elbows bent, and the flats for situpandbeg.

 3. Brake lever question: One advantage of the Jones is that I could use
 the existing levers. But for a drop bar, another question: Has anyone
 experience using cable *MOUNTAIN BIKE *discs with *NON-AERO ROAD* levers?
 Those in question are an old pair of mid-level Campy *non aero* levers.

 4. On One Mary? I find the present too-straight cut down mtb bar more
 comfortable than the apparently similar Suly Open bar, though.

 Ta!

 Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Re: Questions about bars and brake levers

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks. I've been eyeing the Daija Far bar, only 44 cm at the hoods, but I
think I'll try the MAP or a similar bar first.

On Wed, Feb 17, 2021 at 9:42 PM Philip Williamson <
philip.william...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Black 31.8 flared drops in either 52 or 58 at the ends. Hoods are much
> narrower. I like the 58. I got a 52 at a great price from Analog, and
> Candace said “you probably won’t like it if you’re over 5’2”. She was
> right, at least with the Ritchey Force stem on the RoadLite. I swapped for
> a 58 and put moustache bars on the Frances.
>
>
> https://www.bike-components.de/en/NITTO/RM-3-SSB-31-8-Handlebars-p73417/#product-image-14
> https://analogcycles.com/product/nitto-super-flare-heat-treated-dirt-drops/
> These used to be easier to find, and the silver 25.4 ones were harder to
> find. Times change.
>
> Philip
> Santa Rosa, CA
>
>
> On Monday, February 15, 2021 at 10:58:29 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> My Monocog (so much prettier than Leah's Platypus) is surprisingly
>> comfortable with the stock (at least, that's what I got with the bike as
>> second owner) mtb bar after I cut fully 8" off of it, but the shortening
>> also cut off the ends that curved backward, and now there is only a minimal
>> rearward angle; I'd like more. Also, I'd like more positions, both a sit up
>> and beg type position and a lower and narrower hard-surface cruising
>> position in addition to the sit-up-and-beg.
>>
>> I know that I could get what I need with a longer (say 110 or 120 mm
>> instead of 90) and higher (say 45* instead of 30*) stem, but the Monocog
>> has cable discs (which work perfectly well with mtb levers, btw -- no
>> rubbing, strong, only rather grabby). If I were to swap in a drop bar, I'd
>> have to change the levers.
>>
>> 1. Jones bar or flared drop or something else? I don't want a bar with
>> huge rearward sweep and, in fact, if I were to buy the Jones bar I looked
>> at, I'd amputate all but fistfulls from each end.
>>
>> 2. If drop, which one? I'd like a flared drop for dirt and brush control,
>> but with slightly narrower hoods that are comfortable when cruising on
>> flat, hard ground, not hugely wide (of the 6 or 8 flared drops I tried over
>> the years, from the original WTBs to the an On One bar of some sort that
>> was far too wide, a 44 cm Salsa Bell Lap was the best, but that was 10
>> years ago or more. I'd set this up higher and closer so that the hooks are
>> comfortable on (flat) singletrack, but the hoods comfortable for cruising
>> with elbows bent, and the flats for situpandbeg.
>>
>> 3. Brake lever question: One advantage of the Jones is that I could use
>> the existing levers. But for a drop bar, another question: Has anyone
>> experience using cable *MOUNTAIN BIKE *discs with *NON-AERO ROAD* levers?
>> Those in question are an old pair of mid-level Campy *non aero* levers.
>>
>> 4. On One Mary? I find the present too-straight cut down mtb bar more
>> comfortable than the apparently similar Suly Open bar, though.
>>
>> Ta!
>>
>> Patrick
>>
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>> ---
>> Patrick Moore
>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>
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[RBW] Re: Questions about bars and brake levers

[Bill Lindsay]

Philip,

On my upcoming dirt-drop build I already have a set of Woodchippers, but 
I'd consider using these Nitto guys instead.  I'll be running a Paul 
adapter for a SRAM trigger shifter.  The Woodchipper has a long 31.8 
section so there's plenty of room to clamp the Paul shifter perch along 
with other 31.8 stuff that I may include later.  Will this Nitto bulge give 
me similar real-estate?  It looks like it may taper down from 31.8 far 
sooner than the Woodchipper does.  

Do you have any other comments to talk me out of using the Woodchipper 
first?

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Wednesday, February 17, 2021 at 8:42:40 PM UTC-8 Philip Williamson wrote:

> Black 31.8 flared drops in either 52 or 58 at the ends. Hoods are much 
> narrower. I like the 58. I got a 52 at a great price from Analog, and 
> Candace said “you probably won’t like it if you’re over 5’2”. She was 
> right, at least with the Ritchey Force stem on the RoadLite. I swapped for 
> a 58 and put moustache bars on the Frances.
>
>
> https://www.bike-components.de/en/NITTO/RM-3-SSB-31-8-Handlebars-p73417/#product-image-14
> https://analogcycles.com/product/nitto-super-flare-heat-treated-dirt-drops/
> These used to be easier to find, and the silver 25.4 ones were harder to 
> find. Times change.
>
> Philip
> Santa Rosa, CA
>
>
> On Monday, February 15, 2021 at 10:58:29 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> My Monocog (so much prettier than Leah's Platypus) is surprisingly 
>> comfortable with the stock (at least, that's what I got with the bike as 
>> second owner) mtb bar after I cut fully 8" off of it, but the shortening 
>> also cut off the ends that curved backward, and now there is only a minimal 
>> rearward angle; I'd like more. Also, I'd like more positions, both a sit up 
>> and beg type position and a lower and narrower hard-surface cruising 
>> position in addition to the sit-up-and-beg.
>>
>> I know that I could get what I need with a longer (say 110 or 120 mm 
>> instead of 90) and higher (say 45* instead of 30*) stem, but the Monocog 
>> has cable discs (which work perfectly well with mtb levers, btw -- no 
>> rubbing, strong, only rather grabby). If I were to swap in a drop bar, I'd 
>> have to change the levers.
>>
>> 1. Jones bar or flared drop or something else? I don't want a bar with 
>> huge rearward sweep and, in fact, if I were to buy the Jones bar I looked 
>> at, I'd amputate all but fistfulls from each end.
>>
>> 2. If drop, which one? I'd like a flared drop for dirt and brush control, 
>> but with slightly narrower hoods that are comfortable when cruising on 
>> flat, hard ground, not hugely wide (of the 6 or 8 flared drops I tried over 
>> the years, from the original WTBs to the an On One bar of some sort that 
>> was far too wide, a 44 cm Salsa Bell Lap was the best, but that was 10 
>> years ago or more. I'd set this up higher and closer so that the hooks are 
>> comfortable on (flat) singletrack, but the hoods comfortable for cruising 
>> with elbows bent, and the flats for situpandbeg.
>>
>> 3. Brake lever question: One advantage of the Jones is that I could use 
>> the existing levers. But for a drop bar, another question: Has anyone 
>> experience using cable *MOUNTAIN BIKE *discs with *NON-AERO ROAD* levers? 
>> Those in question are an old pair of mid-level Campy *non aero* levers.
>>
>> 4. On One Mary? I find the present too-straight cut down mtb bar more 
>> comfortable than the apparently similar Suly Open bar, though.
>>
>> Ta!
>>
>> Patrick
>>
>> -- 
>>
>> ---
>> Patrick Moore
>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Questions about bars and brake levers

[Philip Williamson]

Black 31.8 flared drops in either 52 or 58 at the ends. Hoods are much 
narrower. I like the 58. I got a 52 at a great price from Analog, and 
Candace said “you probably won’t like it if you’re over 5’2”. She was 
right, at least with the Ritchey Force stem on the RoadLite. I swapped for 
a 58 and put moustache bars on the Frances.

https://www.bike-components.de/en/NITTO/RM-3-SSB-31-8-Handlebars-p73417/#product-image-14
https://analogcycles.com/product/nitto-super-flare-heat-treated-dirt-drops/
These used to be easier to find, and the silver 25.4 ones were harder to 
find. Times change.

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA


On Monday, February 15, 2021 at 10:58:29 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> My Monocog (so much prettier than Leah's Platypus) is surprisingly 
> comfortable with the stock (at least, that's what I got with the bike as 
> second owner) mtb bar after I cut fully 8" off of it, but the shortening 
> also cut off the ends that curved backward, and now there is only a minimal 
> rearward angle; I'd like more. Also, I'd like more positions, both a sit up 
> and beg type position and a lower and narrower hard-surface cruising 
> position in addition to the sit-up-and-beg.
>
> I know that I could get what I need with a longer (say 110 or 120 mm 
> instead of 90) and higher (say 45* instead of 30*) stem, but the Monocog 
> has cable discs (which work perfectly well with mtb levers, btw -- no 
> rubbing, strong, only rather grabby). If I were to swap in a drop bar, I'd 
> have to change the levers.
>
> 1. Jones bar or flared drop or something else? I don't want a bar with 
> huge rearward sweep and, in fact, if I were to buy the Jones bar I looked 
> at, I'd amputate all but fistfulls from each end.
>
> 2. If drop, which one? I'd like a flared drop for dirt and brush control, 
> but with slightly narrower hoods that are comfortable when cruising on 
> flat, hard ground, not hugely wide (of the 6 or 8 flared drops I tried over 
> the years, from the original WTBs to the an On One bar of some sort that 
> was far too wide, a 44 cm Salsa Bell Lap was the best, but that was 10 
> years ago or more. I'd set this up higher and closer so that the hooks are 
> comfortable on (flat) singletrack, but the hoods comfortable for cruising 
> with elbows bent, and the flats for situpandbeg.
>
> 3. Brake lever question: One advantage of the Jones is that I could use 
> the existing levers. But for a drop bar, another question: Has anyone 
> experience using cable *MOUNTAIN BIKE *discs with *NON-AERO ROAD* levers? 
> Those in question are an old pair of mid-level Campy *non aero* levers.
>
> 4. On One Mary? I find the present too-straight cut down mtb bar more 
> comfortable than the apparently similar Suly Open bar, though.
>
> Ta!
>
> Patrick
>
> -- 
>
> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Questions about bars and brake levers

[Patrick Moore]

It's Joe Ramey, right?

On Wed, Feb 17, 2021 at 4:58 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> [Sorry, forgot your name] -- thanks very much for the offers. I'd prefer
> the Ahearn/Map bar if it's black and 31.8, so would be interested indeed
> in knowing specs and your price. In fact, the A/M bar looks like just the
> right "upright" bar to try for this bike.
>
> Yes, narrowing the bar reduces accessory space, but I'll live with that;
> and the Monocog dispenses with useless clutter like gear shifters, so there
> probably will be room for a bell and light bracket.
>
> Please LMK.
>
> Thanks.
>
> On Wed, Feb 17, 2021 at 4:23 PM masmojo  wrote:
>
>> I also have some Ahern MAP bars which I am not attached to, as well as
>> possibly a couple others, but I am somewhat perplexed, because with just
>> about any bar you go with narrowing it substantially will in turn leave you
>> with minimal bar area for bells and such.
>> After years of accumulating stuff I am in cleanout mode, so I am willing
>> to part with almost anything not bolted onto something of earmarked for my
>> Platypus.
>> Email me & I can send you pics of what I got.
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 17, 2021 at 5:13:40 PM UTC-6 masmojo wrote:
>>
>>> I've got a SOMA Eagle bar I'm not using: not sure if it would work for
>>> you or not
>>> They don't presently make these: my impression was that they were
>>> reworking the design and maybe coming out with a replacement.
>>>
>>>
>>> See below links:
>>>
>>> https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipMauwhFiGVhwkEYok0XyRrEcms4XAqTphWCsAy9
>>>
>>> https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipORuUZjlNVkDOkaXhp69F_W0nvIl1GNhdsOHfDg
>>> $45. Shipped
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Questions about bars and brake levers

[Patrick Moore]

[Sorry, forgot your name] -- thanks very much for the offers. I'd prefer
the Ahearn/Map bar if it's black and 31.8, so would be interested indeed in
knowing specs and your price. In fact, the A/M bar looks like just the
right "upright" bar to try for this bike.

Yes, narrowing the bar reduces accessory space, but I'll live with that;
and the Monocog dispenses with useless clutter like gear shifters, so there
probably will be room for a bell and light bracket.

Please LMK.

Thanks.

On Wed, Feb 17, 2021 at 4:23 PM masmojo  wrote:

> I also have some Ahern MAP bars which I am not attached to, as well as
> possibly a couple others, but I am somewhat perplexed, because with just
> about any bar you go with narrowing it substantially will in turn leave you
> with minimal bar area for bells and such.
> After years of accumulating stuff I am in cleanout mode, so I am willing
> to part with almost anything not bolted onto something of earmarked for my
> Platypus.
> Email me & I can send you pics of what I got.
>
> On Wednesday, February 17, 2021 at 5:13:40 PM UTC-6 masmojo wrote:
>
>> I've got a SOMA Eagle bar I'm not using: not sure if it would work for
>> you or not
>> They don't presently make these: my impression was that they were
>> reworking the design and maybe coming out with a replacement.
>>
>>
>> See below links:
>>
>> https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipMauwhFiGVhwkEYok0XyRrEcms4XAqTphWCsAy9
>>
>> https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipORuUZjlNVkDOkaXhp69F_W0nvIl1GNhdsOHfDg
>> $45. Shipped
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Questions about bars and brake levers

[masmojo]

I also have some Ahern MAP bars which I am not attached to, as well as 
possibly a couple others, but I am somewhat perplexed, because with just 
about any bar you go with narrowing it substantially will in turn leave you 
with minimal bar area for bells and such.
After years of accumulating stuff I am in cleanout mode, so I am willing to 
part with almost anything not bolted onto something of earmarked for my 
Platypus.
Email me & I can send you pics of what I got.

On Wednesday, February 17, 2021 at 5:13:40 PM UTC-6 masmojo wrote:

> I've got a SOMA Eagle bar I'm not using: not sure if it would work for you 
> or not
> They don't presently make these: my impression was that they were 
> reworking the design and maybe coming out with a replacement.
>
>
> See below links:
>
> https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipMauwhFiGVhwkEYok0XyRrEcms4XAqTphWCsAy9
>
> https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipORuUZjlNVkDOkaXhp69F_W0nvIl1GNhdsOHfDg
> $45. Shipped
>
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Questions about bars and brake levers

[masmojo]

I've got a SOMA Eagle bar I'm not using: not sure if it would work for you 
or not
They don't presently make these: my impression was that they were reworking 
the design and maybe coming out with a replacement.


See below links:
https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipMauwhFiGVhwkEYok0XyRrEcms4XAqTphWCsAy9
https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipORuUZjlNVkDOkaXhp69F_W0nvIl1GNhdsOHfDg
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Re: [RBW] Re: Questions about bars and brake levers

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks, Joe. Three answers today, and you've made your quota.

Seriously, thanks, in particular for the insight about the Jones bar.

On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 5:11 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Apparently I'm the only one home and answering bar questions today so I'll
> offer one more thought:
>
> I've used Jones Loop Bars a few times and like the one longish position
> they offer at the grips, but think they're overrated for other positions.
> The grab-hold by the stem is useful for climbing kind of a bit, but the
> "aero" position forward was too narrow to be of any use to me.
>
> That's all I got, I'm out! ‍♂️
> On Monday, February 15, 2021 at 3:02:23 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Thank you. Also close, but alas, per the photo, does not sweep back
>> enough.
>>
>> For some reason your post made me think of looking at VO's handlebar
>> product portfolio (bidniss speek, that) and the Dajia Far Bar (shallow 'n'
>> short flared drop, 44 cm at hoods), Granola Bar, and Curvy bar might
>> contend. There's also this, which is intriguing:
>> https://velo-orange.com/collections/handlebars/products/handlebar-accessory-mount
>>
>> If anyone can speak to any of these, I'll be grateful to hear from you.
>> Also, grateful for experiences with the Jones bar.
>>
>> My bars are so narrow (38 hoods road, 42 hoods off road, 56 cm flat mtb
>> bar) that sometimes I've not had enough flats space for bells and lights.
>> (No, I'm not small; ride a ~61-62 c-t road bike with flat tt; just don't
>> like splayed shoulders.)
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 3:53 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>>> My bad, 31.8, black, it's Cinelli! 53cm, still narrow.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://northwestbicycle.com/products/pepper-alloy-fixie-riser-bar-blk-31-8-53cm-b-cn1981?utm_medium=cpc_source=google_campaign=Google%20Shopping=USD=Cj0KCQiA1KiBBhCcARIsAPWqoSo9y35kaAkG2CO0FazubKoezQ482GCc22eppsOg81B_OLEgDNCAZ0IaApzEEALw_wcB
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 15, 2021 at 2:42:04 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 Thanks, Joe, I'll take another look (took a quick one). The 25.4 mm
 clamp is not a deal breaker, but I'd prefer 31.8 (stem is 31.8) and black,
 so any advice (y'all) about a similar shape but in fatter clamp and darker
 color, please speak up.

 On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 12:52 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> You might like these Nitto Urban Bars they sell for the
> fixie/messenger crowd. They're narrow like you seem to want with the
> backsweep you need.
>
>
> https://www.benscycle.com/nitto-b260aa-urban-riser-handlebar-flatriser-handlebar-nitto-b260aa-870/p?idsku=642153=Cj0KCQiA1KiBBhCcARIsAPWqoSoN9w4f6ZBoiHwEw2lwOtCanVS2sImLj-APIlDkcyLYLENu94wUXxEaAlBsEALw_wcB
>
> On Monday, February 15, 2021 at 10:59:49 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Sheesh. With higher and longer stem *and the right drop bar.*
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 11:58 AM Patrick Moore 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I know that I could get what I need with a longer (say 110 or 120 mm
>>> instead of 90) and higher (say 45* instead of 30*) stem, but the Monocog
>>> has cable discs (which work perfectly well with mtb levers, btw -- no
>>> rubbing, strong, only rather grabby). If I were to swap in a drop bar, 
>>> I'd
>>> have to change the levers.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Questions about bars and brake levers

[Joe Bernard]

Apparently I'm the only one home and answering bar questions today so I'll 
offer one more thought:

I've used Jones Loop Bars a few times and like the one longish position 
they offer at the grips, but think they're overrated for other positions. 
The grab-hold by the stem is useful for climbing kind of a bit, but the 
"aero" position forward was too narrow to be of any use to me. 

That's all I got, I'm out! ‍♂️
On Monday, February 15, 2021 at 3:02:23 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Thank you. Also close, but alas, per the photo, does not sweep back 
> enough. 
>
> For some reason your post made me think of looking at VO's handlebar 
> product portfolio (bidniss speek, that) and the Dajia Far Bar (shallow 'n' 
> short flared drop, 44 cm at hoods), Granola Bar, and Curvy bar might 
> contend. There's also this, which is intriguing: 
> https://velo-orange.com/collections/handlebars/products/handlebar-accessory-mount
>
> If anyone can speak to any of these, I'll be grateful to hear from you. 
> Also, grateful for experiences with the Jones bar.
>
> My bars are so narrow (38 hoods road, 42 hoods off road, 56 cm flat mtb 
> bar) that sometimes I've not had enough flats space for bells and lights. 
> (No, I'm not small; ride a ~61-62 c-t road bike with flat tt; just don't 
> like splayed shoulders.)
>
> On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 3:53 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
>> My bad, 31.8, black, it's Cinelli! 53cm, still narrow. 
>>
>>
>> https://northwestbicycle.com/products/pepper-alloy-fixie-riser-bar-blk-31-8-53cm-b-cn1981?utm_medium=cpc_source=google_campaign=Google%20Shopping=USD=Cj0KCQiA1KiBBhCcARIsAPWqoSo9y35kaAkG2CO0FazubKoezQ482GCc22eppsOg81B_OLEgDNCAZ0IaApzEEALw_wcB
>>
>> On Monday, February 15, 2021 at 2:42:04 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, Joe, I'll take another look (took a quick one). The 25.4 mm 
>>> clamp is not a deal breaker, but I'd prefer 31.8 (stem is 31.8) and black, 
>>> so any advice (y'all) about a similar shape but in fatter clamp and darker 
>>> color, please speak up.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 12:52 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
 You might like these Nitto Urban Bars they sell for the fixie/messenger 
 crowd. They're narrow like you seem to want with the backsweep you need. 


 https://www.benscycle.com/nitto-b260aa-urban-riser-handlebar-flatriser-handlebar-nitto-b260aa-870/p?idsku=642153=Cj0KCQiA1KiBBhCcARIsAPWqoSoN9w4f6ZBoiHwEw2lwOtCanVS2sImLj-APIlDkcyLYLENu94wUXxEaAlBsEALw_wcB

 On Monday, February 15, 2021 at 10:59:49 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Sheesh. With higher and longer stem *and the right drop bar.*
>
> On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 11:58 AM Patrick Moore  
> wrote:
>
>> I know that I could get what I need with a longer (say 110 or 120 mm 
>> instead of 90) and higher (say 45* instead of 30*) stem, but the Monocog 
>> has cable discs (which work perfectly well with mtb levers, btw -- no 
>> rubbing, strong, only rather grabby). If I were to swap in a drop bar, 
>> I'd 
>> have to change the levers.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Questions about bars and brake levers

[Patrick Moore]

Thank you. Also close, but alas, per the photo, does not sweep back enough.

For some reason your post made me think of looking at VO's handlebar
product portfolio (bidniss speek, that) and the Dajia Far Bar (shallow 'n'
short flared drop, 44 cm at hoods), Granola Bar, and Curvy bar might
contend. There's also this, which is intriguing:
https://velo-orange.com/collections/handlebars/products/handlebar-accessory-mount

If anyone can speak to any of these, I'll be grateful to hear from you.
Also, grateful for experiences with the Jones bar.

My bars are so narrow (38 hoods road, 42 hoods off road, 56 cm flat mtb
bar) that sometimes I've not had enough flats space for bells and lights.
(No, I'm not small; ride a ~61-62 c-t road bike with flat tt; just don't
like splayed shoulders.)

On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 3:53 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> My bad, 31.8, black, it's Cinelli! 53cm, still narrow.
>
>
> https://northwestbicycle.com/products/pepper-alloy-fixie-riser-bar-blk-31-8-53cm-b-cn1981?utm_medium=cpc_source=google_campaign=Google%20Shopping=USD=Cj0KCQiA1KiBBhCcARIsAPWqoSo9y35kaAkG2CO0FazubKoezQ482GCc22eppsOg81B_OLEgDNCAZ0IaApzEEALw_wcB
>
> On Monday, February 15, 2021 at 2:42:04 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Joe, I'll take another look (took a quick one). The 25.4 mm clamp
>> is not a deal breaker, but I'd prefer 31.8 (stem is 31.8) and black, so any
>> advice (y'all) about a similar shape but in fatter clamp and darker color,
>> please speak up.
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 12:52 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>>> You might like these Nitto Urban Bars they sell for the fixie/messenger
>>> crowd. They're narrow like you seem to want with the backsweep you need.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.benscycle.com/nitto-b260aa-urban-riser-handlebar-flatriser-handlebar-nitto-b260aa-870/p?idsku=642153=Cj0KCQiA1KiBBhCcARIsAPWqoSoN9w4f6ZBoiHwEw2lwOtCanVS2sImLj-APIlDkcyLYLENu94wUXxEaAlBsEALw_wcB
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 15, 2021 at 10:59:49 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 Sheesh. With higher and longer stem *and the right drop bar.*

 On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 11:58 AM Patrick Moore 
 wrote:

> I know that I could get what I need with a longer (say 110 or 120 mm
> instead of 90) and higher (say 45* instead of 30*) stem, but the Monocog
> has cable discs (which work perfectly well with mtb levers, btw -- no
> rubbing, strong, only rather grabby). If I were to swap in a drop bar, I'd
> have to change the levers.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Questions about bars and brake levers

[Joe Bernard]

My bad, 31.8, black, it's Cinelli! 53cm, still narrow. 

https://northwestbicycle.com/products/pepper-alloy-fixie-riser-bar-blk-31-8-53cm-b-cn1981?utm_medium=cpc_source=google_campaign=Google%20Shopping=USD=Cj0KCQiA1KiBBhCcARIsAPWqoSo9y35kaAkG2CO0FazubKoezQ482GCc22eppsOg81B_OLEgDNCAZ0IaApzEEALw_wcB

On Monday, February 15, 2021 at 2:42:04 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Thanks, Joe, I'll take another look (took a quick one). The 25.4 mm clamp 
> is not a deal breaker, but I'd prefer 31.8 (stem is 31.8) and black, so any 
> advice (y'all) about a similar shape but in fatter clamp and darker color, 
> please speak up.
>
> On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 12:52 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
>> You might like these Nitto Urban Bars they sell for the fixie/messenger 
>> crowd. They're narrow like you seem to want with the backsweep you need. 
>>
>>
>> https://www.benscycle.com/nitto-b260aa-urban-riser-handlebar-flatriser-handlebar-nitto-b260aa-870/p?idsku=642153=Cj0KCQiA1KiBBhCcARIsAPWqoSoN9w4f6ZBoiHwEw2lwOtCanVS2sImLj-APIlDkcyLYLENu94wUXxEaAlBsEALw_wcB
>>
>> On Monday, February 15, 2021 at 10:59:49 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Sheesh. With higher and longer stem *and the right drop bar.*
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 11:58 AM Patrick Moore  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I know that I could get what I need with a longer (say 110 or 120 mm 
 instead of 90) and higher (say 45* instead of 30*) stem, but the Monocog 
 has cable discs (which work perfectly well with mtb levers, btw -- no 
 rubbing, strong, only rather grabby). If I were to swap in a drop bar, I'd 
 have to change the levers.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Questions about bars and brake levers

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks, Joe, I'll take another look (took a quick one). The 25.4 mm clamp
is not a deal breaker, but I'd prefer 31.8 (stem is 31.8) and black, so any
advice (y'all) about a similar shape but in fatter clamp and darker color,
please speak up.

On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 12:52 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> You might like these Nitto Urban Bars they sell for the fixie/messenger
> crowd. They're narrow like you seem to want with the backsweep you need.
>
>
> https://www.benscycle.com/nitto-b260aa-urban-riser-handlebar-flatriser-handlebar-nitto-b260aa-870/p?idsku=642153=Cj0KCQiA1KiBBhCcARIsAPWqoSoN9w4f6ZBoiHwEw2lwOtCanVS2sImLj-APIlDkcyLYLENu94wUXxEaAlBsEALw_wcB
>
> On Monday, February 15, 2021 at 10:59:49 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Sheesh. With higher and longer stem *and the right drop bar.*
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 11:58 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>>> I know that I could get what I need with a longer (say 110 or 120 mm
>>> instead of 90) and higher (say 45* instead of 30*) stem, but the Monocog
>>> has cable discs (which work perfectly well with mtb levers, btw -- no
>>> rubbing, strong, only rather grabby). If I were to swap in a drop bar, I'd
>>> have to change the levers.
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Questions about bars and brake levers

[Joe Bernard]

You might like these Nitto Urban Bars they sell for the fixie/messenger 
crowd. They're narrow like you seem to want with the backsweep you need. 

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On Monday, February 15, 2021 at 10:59:49 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Sheesh. With higher and longer stem *and the right drop bar.*
>
> On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 11:58 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> I know that I could get what I need with a longer (say 110 or 120 mm 
>> instead of 90) and higher (say 45* instead of 30*) stem, but the Monocog 
>> has cable discs (which work perfectly well with mtb levers, btw -- no 
>> rubbing, strong, only rather grabby). If I were to swap in a drop bar, I'd 
>> have to change the levers.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Questions about bars and brake levers

[Patrick Moore]

Sheesh. With higher and longer stem *and the right drop bar.*

On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 11:58 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> I know that I could get what I need with a longer (say 110 or 120 mm
> instead of 90) and higher (say 45* instead of 30*) stem, but the Monocog
> has cable discs (which work perfectly well with mtb levers, btw -- no
> rubbing, strong, only rather grabby). If I were to swap in a drop bar, I'd
> have to change the levers.
>

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