Re: [RBW] Cycling computers

2013-05-04 Thread Andrew McGinley
thing about computers is, at least for me, I spend a lot of time CALIBRATING 
the damn thing.You set it based on the wheel and tire combination, but 
that's never correct so for the next seventeen rides you are tweaking it.   You 
watch every mile marker like a hawk to confirm how close to accurate your 
computer is.   So you start doing all sorts of calculations in your head like 
OK, that last mile marker my computer said 9.52 instead of 9.50….that means, I 
need to check it the next time.  Then the next time it says 10.54 and you are 
like a-ha!  I'm onto you.  So, halfway through this ride, I'll waste 10 
minutes figuring out how to access the calibration function (with one button) 
so I can take 1 index off the wheel-diameter…or is it add 1 index….hmmm…..doe s 
smaller number produce a lower or higher reading….hAnd then when you 
turn around on the ride, you are like….OK gotta stop at PRECISELY at this mile 
marker and place the wheels down without letting them turn unnecessarily so I 
can continue my certifiable obsession with accuracy on the return trip……
then the next time your tires aren't the same pressure and you even more 
screwed up…

meanwhile a thousand spring trees have passed you by that you will never again 
get to see in just that way in just that same afternoon light and thinking 
about something elegant and free and beautiful…...…..












On May 2, 2013, at 11:36 AM, Ron Mc wrote:

 if you don't mind the wires, the Cateye Cadence is cheap

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Re: [RBW] Cycling computers

2013-05-04 Thread PATRICK MOORE
GPS, my friend, GPS. Let the satellites do the figgering for you while you
watch the scenery.

On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 12:03 AM, Andrew McGinley a...@spiritui.com wrote:

 thing about computers is, at least for me, I spend a lot of time
 CALIBRATING the damn thing.You set it based on the wheel and tire
 combination, but that's never correct so for the next seventeen rides you
 are tweaking it.   You watch every mile marker like a hawk to confirm how
 close to accurate your computer is.   So you start doing all sorts of
 calculations in your head like OK, that last mile marker my computer said
 9.52 instead of 9.50….that means, I need to check it the next time.  Then
 the next time it says 10.54 and you are like a-ha!  I'm onto you.  So,
 halfway through this ride, I'll waste 10 minutes figuring out how to access
 the calibration function (with one button) so I can take 1 index off the
 wheel-diameter…or is it add 1 index….hmmm…..doe s smaller number produce a
 lower or higher reading….hAnd then when you turn around on the
 ride, you are like….OK gotta stop at PRECISELY at this mile marker and
 place the wheels down without letting them turn unnecessarily so I can
 continue my certifiable obsession with accuracy on the return trip……
  then the next time your tires aren't the same pressure and you even more
 screwed up…

 meanwhile a thousand spring trees have passed you by that you will never
 again get to see in just that way in just that same afternoon light and
 thinking about something elegant and free and beautiful…...…..












 On May 2, 2013, at 11:36 AM, Ron Mc wrote:

 if you don't mind the wires, the Cateye Cadence is cheap


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Re: [RBW] Cycling computers

2013-05-04 Thread René Sterental
+1 for GPS... and a bike sensor for backup... Leave the computer in your pocket 
if you don't want to look at the numbers...


I also tried several iPhone apps, and depending on the purpose, these are the 
ones I like:


Cyclemeter for general purpose riding. 
Wahoo for general riding and uploading to different websites. 
Motion X GPS for riding off-road riding since it has the best maps which show 
all the trails. It also allows uploading and a lot of other stuff. 


On my Garmin 810 I'm now using the OpenStreet maps which I find much better 
than the Garmin. Motion X uses the same maps. 


What I found cumbersome is having the iPhone on the bars. 


René 
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On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Andrew McGinley a...@spiritui.com wrote:

 thing about computers is, at least for me, I spend a lot of time CALIBRATING 
 the damn thing.You set it based on the wheel and tire combination, but 
 that's never correct so for the next seventeen rides you are tweaking it.   
 You watch every mile marker like a hawk to confirm how close to accurate your 
 computer is.   So you start doing all sorts of calculations in your head like 
 OK, that last mile marker my computer said 9.52 instead of 9.50….that means, 
 I need to check it the next time.  Then the next time it says 10.54 and you 
 are like a-ha!  I'm onto you.  So, halfway through this ride, I'll waste 10 
 minutes figuring out how to access the calibration function (with one button) 
 so I can take 1 index off the wheel-diameter…or is it add 1 index….hmmm…..doe 
 s smaller number produce a lower or higher reading….hAnd then when 
 you turn around on the ride, you are like….OK gotta stop at PRECISELY at 
 this mile marker and place the wheels down without letting them turn 
 unnecessarily so I can continue my certifiable obsession with accuracy on the 
 return trip……then the next time your tires aren't the same pressure and 
 you even more screwed up…
 meanwhile a thousand spring trees have passed you by that you will never 
 again get to see in just that way in just that same afternoon light and 
 thinking about something elegant and free and beautiful…...…..
 On May 2, 2013, at 11:36 AM, Ron Mc wrote:
 if you don't mind the wires, the Cateye Cadence is cheap
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Re: [RBW] Cycling computers

2013-04-29 Thread Eric Peterson
The new Cat Eye wired models are Velo 7, Velo 8, Velo 9.
I suppose they work well enough. I have a Velo 9. 
The mounting system is cheaper,
Also some have dubious features such as calories consumed, or a calculation 
of carbon offset.
These replace the useful feature (no longer available) of being able to set 
the odometer (which now I believe just goes up to  then resets to 0). 
Wireless to me means one more battery to replace, and dealing with 
interference problems.

Eric Peterson

On Sunday, April 28, 2013 9:08:56 PM UTC-5, john wrote:

 Eric, Steve:

 Thanks for suggesting the MItty8. I went to Wheel Works, as Steve 
 directed, and found it was unavailable at this time.  I'll look into the 
 Strada, but have reservations about going wireless. What's the difference 
 in battery life (wireless vs. wired)? Also: What's the verdict on the 
 Cateye 7 or 8? Thanks.

 John

 On Sunday, April 28, 2013 6:22:47 PM UTC-7, Eric Peterson wrote:

 As I have a number of bikes, I have standardized on certain components.
 One of which was the Cateye wired cyclocomputers - they have worked great 
 for me.
 Now Cateye has dropped all those models and replaced them new versions 
 that have less functionality.
 So Cateye is acting just like Microsoft and Shimano, and discontinuing an 
 item and making it unavailable.
 I guess that is progress.

 I have checked Wheel Works a number of times, but the the Cateye Mity8 is 
 always Sorry, this item is currently not available. Please check back.

 Were you able to make a purchase recently of this product from Wheel 
 Works?

 Thanks,
 Eric Peterson 

 On Sunday, April 28, 2013 2:46:21 PM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:

 On Sun, 2013-04-28 at 11:13 -0700, john wrote: 
  Hi all. Thought I'd ask all of you who use computers for 
  recomendations. I've been on the fence about using a computer to track 
  mileage for some time now, but I believe I'd like to try. 
  
  
  The criteria: 
  
  
  1. It has to be very simple to operate and easy to read. 
  2. I don't need or want heart rate monitor or anything like altitude 
  or anything complicated. 
  3. I'm just interested in tracking mileage (how far was my ride today? 
  I seldom know - which is not always a bad thing, but I get curious). 
  4. I don't want to spend a lot of money. I'm thinking I can do this 
  for $30 or so? 

 Wheel World has the Cateye Mity 8 (wired) available on closeout for $20. 
 I've got a bunch of them.  Functions I use: odometer, average, distance 
 1 (current ride), distance 2 (which I use to track when to next clean 
 the chain), elapsed time.  I ignore max speed and time. 

 The Strada Wireless has the same functions in a simple, small wireless 
 computer but it's around $45.  I've got one of these, too. 






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Re: [RBW] Cycling computers

2013-04-29 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Sun, 2013-04-28 at 19:08 -0700, john wrote:
 Eric, Steve:
 
 
 Thanks for suggesting the MItty8. I went to Wheel Works, as Steve
 directed, and found it was unavailable at this time.  I'll look into
 the Strada, but have reservations about going wireless. What's the
 difference in battery life (wireless vs. wired)? Also: What's the
 verdict on the Cateye 7 or 8? Thanks.


Battery life with wireless is typically less than with wired, and you
have twice as many batteries.  On the other hand, installation is
simpler.  

The battery life on the (now discontinued) Wireless Micro was
dramatically less than I had grown used to on the (now very long
discontinued) Cateye Cordless II's I used on most of my bikes in the
1990s and 2000s (the last one of which quit early this year, wouldn't
work at under 40 degrees even with brand new batteries) replaced by the
Strada Wireless).

The Strada Wireless is too new for me to have any idea of battery life.

I've never seen them in person, but according to specs the wired Velo 7
and Velo 9 only have 1 trip distance, which doesn't work for me because
I rely on trip distance 2 to keep track of mileage since the last chain
cleaning.  The additional features of the Velo 9, calorie consumption
and carbon offset, are IMHO entirely worthless.



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Re: [RBW] Cycling computers

2013-04-29 Thread Bruce Baker
Hi John,
I'm suprised I haven't seen mapmyride pop in this discussion.  I have been
using this since 2010 and like it a lot.  It is free and generates a bunch
of statistics on daily, weekly,monthly and annual distance.  It also breaks
down each ride into segments.  The iphone app for this works great.  There
were a few snags early on but most seem to be worked out at this time.
Bruce


On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 2:13 PM, john johnco...@comcast.net wrote:

 Hi all. Thought I'd ask all of you who use computers for recomendations.
 I've been on the fence about using a computer to track mileage for some
 time now, but I believe I'd like to try.

 The criteria:

 1. It has to be very simple to operate and easy to read.
 2. I don't need or want heart rate monitor or anything like altitude or
 anything complicated.
 3. I'm just interested in tracking mileage (how far was my ride today? I
 seldom know - which is not always a bad thing, but I get curious).
 4. I don't want to spend a lot of money. I'm thinking I can do this for
 $30 or so?

 Thanks.

 John

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Re: [RBW] Cycling computers

2013-04-29 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Sorry, no intention of offending. I have Chinese blood myself, as my mother
is Filipino. The POS refers to the plastic electronic shite, not to the
makers.

Patrick little brown brother [see Howard Taft] Moore

On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 10:46 PM, Helmut Wong helmut.w...@googlemail.comwrote:

 On Sunday, April 28, 2013 3:07:50 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:

 +1 for Cyclemeter. One POCES (piece of Chinese electric shite) to take
 care, not only of the data for four (4) (IV)


 Please be sensitive to using the term Chinese in a pejorative manner. I
 understand that the country exports a lot of consumer goods worldwide, and
 there are many criticisms of their labor practices; but it's easy for the
 conversation to devolve into a blanket condemnation of all things -- and
 all people -- of Chinese origin.

 Thanks,
 H.

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RE: [RBW] Cycling computers

2013-04-29 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J
I love everything about Cyclemeter except its heavy battery drain - I can't get 
it to last more than 30 miles or so.  I'm a slow rider and all, but sheesh...

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+1 for Cyclemeter. One POCES (piece of Chinese electric shite) to take care, 
not only of the data for four (4) (IV) bikes, but also to tell your time, 
download your email, tell your temperature, find your directions, get your 
library books, keep your daughter amused, etc etc etc. I hear tell that the 4 
manages GPS more efficiently than the 3G (free with 2 yrs ATT) so i think I'll 
upgrade sometime this year.
On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 12:13 PM, john 
johnco...@comcast.netmailto:johnco...@comcast.net wrote:
Hi all. Thought I'd ask all of you who use computers for recomendations. I've 
been on the fence about using a computer to track mileage for some time now, 
but I believe I'd like to try.

The criteria:

1. It has to be very simple to operate and easy to read.
2. I don't need or want heart rate monitor or anything like altitude or 
anything complicated.
3. I'm just interested in tracking mileage (how far was my ride today? I seldom 
know - which is not always a bad thing, but I get curious).
4. I don't want to spend a lot of money. I'm thinking I can do this for $30 or 
so?

Thanks.

John
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Re: [RBW] Cycling computers

2013-04-28 Thread Bruce Herbitter
Cheap  simple.  $16.99 + 20% more off today only. Cateye 8

http://www.nashbar.com/bikes/Product_10053_10052_135906_-1___202553


On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 1:13 PM, john johnco...@comcast.net wrote:

 Hi all. Thought I'd ask all of you who use computers for recomendations.
 I've been on the fence about using a computer to track mileage for some
 time now, but I believe I'd like to try.

 The criteria:

 1. It has to be very simple to operate and easy to read.
 2. I don't need or want heart rate monitor or anything like altitude or
 anything complicated.
 3. I'm just interested in tracking mileage (how far was my ride today? I
 seldom know - which is not always a bad thing, but I get curious).
 4. I don't want to spend a lot of money. I'm thinking I can do this for
 $30 or so?

 Thanks.

 John

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Re: [RBW] Cycling computers

2013-04-28 Thread Peter Morgano
I got a no name wireless from my lbs 3 years ago, still works great. It was
40 bucks.
On Apr 28, 2013 2:39 PM, Bruce Herbitter bruce.herbit...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Cheap  simple.  $16.99 + 20% more off today only. Cateye 8

 http://www.nashbar.com/bikes/Product_10053_10052_135906_-1___202553


 On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 1:13 PM, john johnco...@comcast.net wrote:

 Hi all. Thought I'd ask all of you who use computers for recomendations.
 I've been on the fence about using a computer to track mileage for some
 time now, but I believe I'd like to try.

 The criteria:

 1. It has to be very simple to operate and easy to read.
 2. I don't need or want heart rate monitor or anything like altitude or
 anything complicated.
 3. I'm just interested in tracking mileage (how far was my ride today? I
 seldom know - which is not always a bad thing, but I get curious).
 4. I don't want to spend a lot of money. I'm thinking I can do this for
 $30 or so?

 Thanks.

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Re: [RBW] Cycling computers

2013-04-28 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Sun, 2013-04-28 at 11:40 -0700, William R. wrote:
 My most recent experience is with a Cateye Wireless. I wasn't happy
 with it. Very confusing to program. If I were going that route I would
 look for a cheap, wired Avocet 35 from back in the 90's. I found their
 operation simple. Never needed all the cadence and heart rate stuff.

I found the Wireless Micro instructions almost incomprehensible;
fortunately, there are English translations available that make much
more sense.

More recently, I purchased a Cateye Strada Wireless.  Cheap, limited
functions but it has everything I want and not much that I don't; and it
turns out it's pretty easy to figure out how to set up.



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Re: [RBW] Cycling computers

2013-04-28 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Sun, 2013-04-28 at 11:13 -0700, john wrote:
 Hi all. Thought I'd ask all of you who use computers for
 recomendations. I've been on the fence about using a computer to track
 mileage for some time now, but I believe I'd like to try.
 
 
 The criteria: 
 
 
 1. It has to be very simple to operate and easy to read.
 2. I don't need or want heart rate monitor or anything like altitude
 or anything complicated.
 3. I'm just interested in tracking mileage (how far was my ride today?
 I seldom know - which is not always a bad thing, but I get curious).
 4. I don't want to spend a lot of money. I'm thinking I can do this
 for $30 or so?

Wheel World has the Cateye Mity 8 (wired) available on closeout for $20.
I've got a bunch of them.  Functions I use: odometer, average, distance
1 (current ride), distance 2 (which I use to track when to next clean
the chain), elapsed time.  I ignore max speed and time.

The Strada Wireless has the same functions in a simple, small wireless
computer but it's around $45.  I've got one of these, too.




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Re: [RBW] Cycling computers

2013-04-28 Thread PATRICK MOORE
+1 for Cyclemeter. One POCES (piece of Chinese electric shite) to take
care, not only of the data for four (4) (IV) bikes, but also to tell your
time, download your email, tell your temperature, find your directions, get
your library books, keep your daughter amused, etc etc etc. I hear tell
that the 4 manages GPS more efficiently than the 3G (free with 2 yrs ATT)
so i think I'll upgrade sometime this year.

On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 12:13 PM, john johnco...@comcast.net wrote:

 Hi all. Thought I'd ask all of you who use computers for recomendations.
 I've been on the fence about using a computer to track mileage for some
 time now, but I believe I'd like to try.

 The criteria:

 1. It has to be very simple to operate and easy to read.
 2. I don't need or want heart rate monitor or anything like altitude or
 anything complicated.
 3. I'm just interested in tracking mileage (how far was my ride today? I
 seldom know - which is not always a bad thing, but I get curious).
 4. I don't want to spend a lot of money. I'm thinking I can do this for
 $30 or so?

 Thanks.

 John

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Re: [RBW] Cycling computers

2013-04-28 Thread Eric Peterson
As I have a number of bikes, I have standardized on certain components.
One of which was the Cateye wired cyclocomputers - they have worked great 
for me.
Now Cateye has dropped all those models and replaced them new versions that 
have less functionality.
So Cateye is acting just like Microsoft and Shimano, and discontinuing an 
item and making it unavailable.
I guess that is progress.

I have checked Wheel Works a number of times, but the the Cateye Mity8 is 
always Sorry, this item is currently not available. Please check back.

Were you able to make a purchase recently of this product from Wheel Works?

Thanks,
Eric Peterson 

On Sunday, April 28, 2013 2:46:21 PM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:

 On Sun, 2013-04-28 at 11:13 -0700, john wrote: 
  Hi all. Thought I'd ask all of you who use computers for 
  recomendations. I've been on the fence about using a computer to track 
  mileage for some time now, but I believe I'd like to try. 
  
  
  The criteria: 
  
  
  1. It has to be very simple to operate and easy to read. 
  2. I don't need or want heart rate monitor or anything like altitude 
  or anything complicated. 
  3. I'm just interested in tracking mileage (how far was my ride today? 
  I seldom know - which is not always a bad thing, but I get curious). 
  4. I don't want to spend a lot of money. I'm thinking I can do this 
  for $30 or so? 

 Wheel World has the Cateye Mity 8 (wired) available on closeout for $20. 
 I've got a bunch of them.  Functions I use: odometer, average, distance 
 1 (current ride), distance 2 (which I use to track when to next clean 
 the chain), elapsed time.  I ignore max speed and time. 

 The Strada Wireless has the same functions in a simple, small wireless 
 computer but it's around $45.  I've got one of these, too. 






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Re: [RBW] Cycling computers

2013-04-28 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Sun, 2013-04-28 at 18:22 -0700, Eric Peterson wrote:
 As I have a number of bikes, I have standardized on certain
 components.
 One of which was the Cateye wired cyclocomputers - they have worked
 great for me.
 Now Cateye has dropped all those models and replaced them new versions
 that have less functionality.
 So Cateye is acting just like Microsoft and Shimano, and discontinuing
 an item and making it unavailable.
 I guess that is progress.
 
 
 I have checked Wheel Works a number of times, but the the Cateye Mity8
 is always Sorry, this item is currently not available. Please check
 back.
 
 
 Were you able to make a purchase recently of this product from Wheel
 Works?
 

No, just found it on a google search.

If the Mity 8's no longer available, I'd suggest the Strada Wireless as
an alternative. 



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Re: [RBW] Cycling computers

2013-04-28 Thread john
Eric, Steve:

Thanks for suggesting the MItty8. I went to Wheel Works, as Steve directed, 
and found it was unavailable at this time.  I'll look into the Strada, 
but have reservations about going wireless. What's the difference in 
battery life (wireless vs. wired)? Also: What's the verdict on the Cateye 7 
or 8? Thanks.

John

On Sunday, April 28, 2013 6:22:47 PM UTC-7, Eric Peterson wrote:

 As I have a number of bikes, I have standardized on certain components.
 One of which was the Cateye wired cyclocomputers - they have worked great 
 for me.
 Now Cateye has dropped all those models and replaced them new versions 
 that have less functionality.
 So Cateye is acting just like Microsoft and Shimano, and discontinuing an 
 item and making it unavailable.
 I guess that is progress.

 I have checked Wheel Works a number of times, but the the Cateye Mity8 is 
 always Sorry, this item is currently not available. Please check back.

 Were you able to make a purchase recently of this product from Wheel Works?

 Thanks,
 Eric Peterson 

 On Sunday, April 28, 2013 2:46:21 PM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:

 On Sun, 2013-04-28 at 11:13 -0700, john wrote: 
  Hi all. Thought I'd ask all of you who use computers for 
  recomendations. I've been on the fence about using a computer to track 
  mileage for some time now, but I believe I'd like to try. 
  
  
  The criteria: 
  
  
  1. It has to be very simple to operate and easy to read. 
  2. I don't need or want heart rate monitor or anything like altitude 
  or anything complicated. 
  3. I'm just interested in tracking mileage (how far was my ride today? 
  I seldom know - which is not always a bad thing, but I get curious). 
  4. I don't want to spend a lot of money. I'm thinking I can do this 
  for $30 or so? 

 Wheel World has the Cateye Mity 8 (wired) available on closeout for $20. 
 I've got a bunch of them.  Functions I use: odometer, average, distance 
 1 (current ride), distance 2 (which I use to track when to next clean 
 the chain), elapsed time.  I ignore max speed and time. 

 The Strada Wireless has the same functions in a simple, small wireless 
 computer but it's around $45.  I've got one of these, too. 






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Re: [RBW] Cycling computers

2013-04-28 Thread Helmut Wong
On Sunday, April 28, 2013 3:07:50 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:

 +1 for Cyclemeter. One POCES (piece of Chinese electric shite) to take 
 care, not only of the data for four (4) (IV) 


Please be sensitive to using the term Chinese in a pejorative manner. I 
understand that the country exports a lot of consumer goods worldwide, and 
there are many criticisms of their labor practices; but it's easy for the 
conversation to devolve into a blanket condemnation of all things -- and 
all people -- of Chinese origin.

Thanks,
H.

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Re: [RBW] Cycling computers

2013-04-28 Thread Stephen S
agreed

On Sunday, April 28, 2013 9:46:02 PM UTC-7, Helmut Wong wrote:

 On Sunday, April 28, 2013 3:07:50 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:

 +1 for Cyclemeter. One POCES (piece of Chinese electric shite) to take 
 care, not only of the data for four (4) (IV) 


 Please be sensitive to using the term Chinese in a pejorative manner. I 
 understand that the country exports a lot of consumer goods worldwide, and 
 there are many criticisms of their labor practices; but it's easy for the 
 conversation to devolve into a blanket condemnation of all things -- and 
 all people -- of Chinese origin.

 Thanks,
 H.


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