Re: [RBW] Re: ATTENTION ! Someone posted on r/Rivendell_Bicycles the map of Rivendell bike owners

[Joe Bernard]

I'm not particularly alarmist and I know info can be found on the internet 
if someone puts effort into it, but I stopped signing city and state after 
my name here a few years ago. To quote the great Olivia Rodrigo, it's a bad 
idea, right?  

Joe Bernard
somewhere out there 
On Tuesday, September 19, 2023 at 2:25:51 PM UTC-7 Chester wrote:

> I don't want to come across as being an alarmist or encouraging people to 
> be paranoid but if someone has your full name and city of residence, it can 
> take just a few seconds of Internet searching to get your address. It's 
> easier to find the right listing if the name is more unique and/or the city 
> is smaller.
>
> It's pretty much impossible to obscure yourself if you shop online. When 
> you enter in your purchasing/shipping information, that information will 
> get resold to companies that sell access to databases. But, without paying 
> a dime, it's easy to look up a name and find current and prior addresses, 
> phone numbers, e-mail addresses, names of people one lived with, etc. 
> There's also harvesting of property tax records and other data sources. 
>
> All that said, I doubt that there is much appeal in a bike thief trying to 
> specifically target Rivendell owners for home burglaries. There are much 
> more common and more valuable bicycles to target that are also much more 
> easy to sell on the down-low. And there are a lot of more seemingly 
> prevalent ways for thieves to find targets. Follow riders they see riding 
> expensive rigs. Drive through neighborhoods and notice what's inside of 
> open garages. Look for $1000+ bike racks on vehicles. Or just take an angle 
> grinder out on the streets.
>
> Chester
> SF Bay Area
> On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 2:03:51 PM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:
>
>> Dear All,
>>
>> Apologies for the late response. I've been out canoeing and camping in 
>> this gorgeous Fall weather!
>>
>> So far, anybody who has asked to be removed has been so (with the 
>> exception of Stoker because I can't find you on the map).
>>
>> I have also removed a few street addresses upon request and changed them 
>> to crossroads in your town.
>>
>> Again, if you like the map and want to be on it, but are uncomfortable 
>> with your location being known, please choose a taco stand, the police 
>> station, or the local food bank as your address. 
>>
>> If you want out, please let me know and give me your name and town as you 
>> appear on the map.
>>
>> Cheers, John
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 5:53:12 PM UTC-7 Benjamin Kelley wrote:
>>
>>> and for those that failed to read the actual website before raising 
>>> their hackles and wildly speculating and adding unrelated stories, If you 
>>> don't want to put your home address, it recommends hoosing a random address 
>>> in your town or vague lat/long to add some anonymity but also to keep the 
>>> markers from overlapping when just entering the city.
>>>
>>> Not sure what all the fuss is about eitherway. 1: this has nothing to do 
>>> with reddit other than that's where the link to the existing site was 
>>> posted.  2: The site was originally posted on iBOB long ago, and I think 
>>> here too.
>>> 3: Everyone self signed up, it's not like this was data scraped from 
>>> other sources or from any sales records.   
>>> Nobody's info is out there that didn't want it out there.
>>>
>>> --ben in KC
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 15, 2023 at 1:35 PM Brian Turner  wrote:
>>>
 Seems like the solution to this would be to just pick a random point in 
 your city, or a favorite establishment’s address, or a park or what have 
 you. Let that be your location on the map.


 On Sep 15, 2023, at 2:28 PM, Caroline Golum  
 wrote:

 Seems like the subreddit is pretty sparsely attended so at least 
 there's that!

 On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 2:01:19 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> John — Of course the map itself doesn't have a dark-sided or hidden 
> intent. I know you're trying to help people connect and I appreciate the 
> gesture. However there is no telling what people can and will do with a 
> database like this. Because this forum is visible to the public I would 
> never add my street address. I am reminded of a story about someone who 
> had 
> two valuable Rene Herse bicycles stolen and they later figured out their 
> home address was visible on Strava. 
>
> It seems the Reddit post was deleted but the original map is easy to 
> find here. I know it's uncomfortable to think that people could use this 
> information for nefarious purposes. But the fun and innocent oroginal 
> intent doesn't reduce the risk. I think because the visible members of 
> the 
> forum are kind and generous it's easy to think that anyone reading our 
> posts has a similar mindset. But as we've seen with some recent scam 
> sales 
> there are registered members looking 

Re: [RBW] Re: ATTENTION ! Someone posted on r/Rivendell_Bicycles the map of Rivendell bike owners

[Kim H.]

Hi Chester,

I thank-you for your truthful and reality check, regarding the 
impossibility of feeling secure over and through the internet these days. 
It is like you can run, but you cannot hide from the vast available 
information on the internet about you and other people. 

Kim Hetzel, who once lived in the South Bay Area and moved north over 40 
years ago. 
Yelm, WA. 



On Tuesday, September 19, 2023 at 2:25:51 PM UTC-7 Chester wrote:

> I don't want to come across as being an alarmist or encouraging people to 
> be paranoid but if someone has your full name and city of residence, it can 
> take just a few seconds of Internet searching to get your address. It's 
> easier to find the right listing if the name is more unique and/or the city 
> is smaller.
>
> It's pretty much impossible to obscure yourself if you shop online. When 
> you enter in your purchasing/shipping information, that information will 
> get resold to companies that sell access to databases. But, without paying 
> a dime, it's easy to look up a name and find current and prior addresses, 
> phone numbers, e-mail addresses, names of people one lived with, etc. 
> There's also harvesting of property tax records and other data sources. 
>
> All that said, I doubt that there is much appeal in a bike thief trying to 
> specifically target Rivendell owners for home burglaries. There are much 
> more common and more valuable bicycles to target that are also much more 
> easy to sell on the down-low. And there are a lot of more seemingly 
> prevalent ways for thieves to find targets. Follow riders they see riding 
> expensive rigs. Drive through neighborhoods and notice what's inside of 
> open garages. Look for $1000+ bike racks on vehicles. Or just take an angle 
> grinder out on the streets.
>
> Chester
> SF Bay Area
> On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 2:03:51 PM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:
>
>> Dear All,
>>
>> Apologies for the late response. I've been out canoeing and camping in 
>> this gorgeous Fall weather!
>>
>> So far, anybody who has asked to be removed has been so (with the 
>> exception of Stoker because I can't find you on the map).
>>
>> I have also removed a few street addresses upon request and changed them 
>> to crossroads in your town.
>>
>> Again, if you like the map and want to be on it, but are uncomfortable 
>> with your location being known, please choose a taco stand, the police 
>> station, or the local food bank as your address. 
>>
>> If you want out, please let me know and give me your name and town as you 
>> appear on the map.
>>
>> Cheers, John
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 5:53:12 PM UTC-7 Benjamin Kelley wrote:
>>
>>> and for those that failed to read the actual website before raising 
>>> their hackles and wildly speculating and adding unrelated stories, If you 
>>> don't want to put your home address, it recommends hoosing a random address 
>>> in your town or vague lat/long to add some anonymity but also to keep the 
>>> markers from overlapping when just entering the city.
>>>
>>> Not sure what all the fuss is about eitherway. 1: this has nothing to do 
>>> with reddit other than that's where the link to the existing site was 
>>> posted.  2: The site was originally posted on iBOB long ago, and I think 
>>> here too.
>>> 3: Everyone self signed up, it's not like this was data scraped from 
>>> other sources or from any sales records.   
>>> Nobody's info is out there that didn't want it out there.
>>>
>>> --ben in KC
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 15, 2023 at 1:35 PM Brian Turner  wrote:
>>>
 Seems like the solution to this would be to just pick a random point in 
 your city, or a favorite establishment’s address, or a park or what have 
 you. Let that be your location on the map.


 On Sep 15, 2023, at 2:28 PM, Caroline Golum  
 wrote:

 Seems like the subreddit is pretty sparsely attended so at least 
 there's that!

 On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 2:01:19 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> John — Of course the map itself doesn't have a dark-sided or hidden 
> intent. I know you're trying to help people connect and I appreciate the 
> gesture. However there is no telling what people can and will do with a 
> database like this. Because this forum is visible to the public I would 
> never add my street address. I am reminded of a story about someone who 
> had 
> two valuable Rene Herse bicycles stolen and they later figured out their 
> home address was visible on Strava. 
>
> It seems the Reddit post was deleted but the original map is easy to 
> find here. I know it's uncomfortable to think that people could use this 
> information for nefarious purposes. But the fun and innocent oroginal 
> intent doesn't reduce the risk. I think because the visible members of 
> the 
> forum are kind and generous it's easy to think that anyone reading our 
> posts has a similar 

Re: [RBW] Re: ATTENTION ! Someone posted on r/Rivendell_Bicycles the map of Rivendell bike owners

[Chester]

I don't want to come across as being an alarmist or encouraging people to 
be paranoid but if someone has your full name and city of residence, it can 
take just a few seconds of Internet searching to get your address. It's 
easier to find the right listing if the name is more unique and/or the city 
is smaller.

It's pretty much impossible to obscure yourself if you shop online. When 
you enter in your purchasing/shipping information, that information will 
get resold to companies that sell access to databases. But, without paying 
a dime, it's easy to look up a name and find current and prior addresses, 
phone numbers, e-mail addresses, names of people one lived with, etc. 
There's also harvesting of property tax records and other data sources. 

All that said, I doubt that there is much appeal in a bike thief trying to 
specifically target Rivendell owners for home burglaries. There are much 
more common and more valuable bicycles to target that are also much more 
easy to sell on the down-low. And there are a lot of more seemingly 
prevalent ways for thieves to find targets. Follow riders they see riding 
expensive rigs. Drive through neighborhoods and notice what's inside of 
open garages. Look for $1000+ bike racks on vehicles. Or just take an angle 
grinder out on the streets.

Chester
SF Bay Area
On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 2:03:51 PM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:

> Dear All,
>
> Apologies for the late response. I've been out canoeing and camping in 
> this gorgeous Fall weather!
>
> So far, anybody who has asked to be removed has been so (with the 
> exception of Stoker because I can't find you on the map).
>
> I have also removed a few street addresses upon request and changed them 
> to crossroads in your town.
>
> Again, if you like the map and want to be on it, but are uncomfortable 
> with your location being known, please choose a taco stand, the police 
> station, or the local food bank as your address. 
>
> If you want out, please let me know and give me your name and town as you 
> appear on the map.
>
> Cheers, John
>
>
>
>
> On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 5:53:12 PM UTC-7 Benjamin Kelley wrote:
>
>> and for those that failed to read the actual website before raising their 
>> hackles and wildly speculating and adding unrelated stories, If you don't 
>> want to put your home address, it recommends hoosing a random address in 
>> your town or vague lat/long to add some anonymity but also to keep the 
>> markers from overlapping when just entering the city.
>>
>> Not sure what all the fuss is about eitherway. 1: this has nothing to do 
>> with reddit other than that's where the link to the existing site was 
>> posted.  2: The site was originally posted on iBOB long ago, and I think 
>> here too.
>> 3: Everyone self signed up, it's not like this was data scraped from 
>> other sources or from any sales records.   
>> Nobody's info is out there that didn't want it out there.
>>
>> --ben in KC
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 15, 2023 at 1:35 PM Brian Turner  wrote:
>>
>>> Seems like the solution to this would be to just pick a random point in 
>>> your city, or a favorite establishment’s address, or a park or what have 
>>> you. Let that be your location on the map.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 15, 2023, at 2:28 PM, Caroline Golum  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Seems like the subreddit is pretty sparsely attended so at least 
>>> there's that!
>>>
>>> On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 2:01:19 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 John — Of course the map itself doesn't have a dark-sided or hidden 
 intent. I know you're trying to help people connect and I appreciate the 
 gesture. However there is no telling what people can and will do with a 
 database like this. Because this forum is visible to the public I would 
 never add my street address. I am reminded of a story about someone who 
 had 
 two valuable Rene Herse bicycles stolen and they later figured out their 
 home address was visible on Strava. 

 It seems the Reddit post was deleted but the original map is easy to 
 find here. I know it's uncomfortable to think that people could use this 
 information for nefarious purposes. But the fun and innocent oroginal 
 intent doesn't reduce the risk. I think because the visible members of the 
 forum are kind and generous it's easy to think that anyone reading our 
 posts has a similar mindset. But as we've seen with some recent scam sales 
 there are registered members looking to take advantage of others. And, 
 again, the entire forum is publicly visible to anyone with an internet 
 connect. 

 Just my perspective with an interest in looking out for other board 
 members. 

 Eric 
 Fredericksburg, USA 




 On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 1:17:35 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:

> Yeah, I put Eric's address as my own...
>
> On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 12:28:43 PM UTC-4 John Rinker 

Re: [RBW] Re: ATTENTION ! Someone posted on r/Rivendell_Bicycles the map of Rivendell bike owners

[John Rinker]

Dear All,

Apologies for the late response. I've been out canoeing and camping in this 
gorgeous Fall weather!

So far, anybody who has asked to be removed has been so (with the exception 
of Stoker because I can't find you on the map).

I have also removed a few street addresses upon request and changed them to 
crossroads in your town.

Again, if you like the map and want to be on it, but are uncomfortable with 
your location being known, please choose a taco stand, the police station, 
or the local food bank as your address. 

If you want out, please let me know and give me your name and town as you 
appear on the map.

Cheers, John




On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 5:53:12 PM UTC-7 Benjamin Kelley wrote:

> and for those that failed to read the actual website before raising their 
> hackles and wildly speculating and adding unrelated stories, If you don't 
> want to put your home address, it recommends hoosing a random address in 
> your town or vague lat/long to add some anonymity but also to keep the 
> markers from overlapping when just entering the city.
>
> Not sure what all the fuss is about eitherway. 1: this has nothing to do 
> with reddit other than that's where the link to the existing site was 
> posted.  2: The site was originally posted on iBOB long ago, and I think 
> here too.
> 3: Everyone self signed up, it's not like this was data scraped from other 
> sources or from any sales records.   
> Nobody's info is out there that didn't want it out there.
>
> --ben in KC
>
> On Fri, Sep 15, 2023 at 1:35 PM Brian Turner  wrote:
>
>> Seems like the solution to this would be to just pick a random point in 
>> your city, or a favorite establishment’s address, or a park or what have 
>> you. Let that be your location on the map.
>>
>>
>> On Sep 15, 2023, at 2:28 PM, Caroline Golum  wrote:
>>
>> Seems like the subreddit is pretty sparsely attended so at least there's 
>> that!
>>
>> On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 2:01:19 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> John — Of course the map itself doesn't have a dark-sided or hidden 
>>> intent. I know you're trying to help people connect and I appreciate the 
>>> gesture. However there is no telling what people can and will do with a 
>>> database like this. Because this forum is visible to the public I would 
>>> never add my street address. I am reminded of a story about someone who had 
>>> two valuable Rene Herse bicycles stolen and they later figured out their 
>>> home address was visible on Strava. 
>>>
>>> It seems the Reddit post was deleted but the original map is easy to 
>>> find here. I know it's uncomfortable to think that people could use this 
>>> information for nefarious purposes. But the fun and innocent oroginal 
>>> intent doesn't reduce the risk. I think because the visible members of the 
>>> forum are kind and generous it's easy to think that anyone reading our 
>>> posts has a similar mindset. But as we've seen with some recent scam sales 
>>> there are registered members looking to take advantage of others. And, 
>>> again, the entire forum is publicly visible to anyone with an internet 
>>> connect. 
>>>
>>> Just my perspective with an interest in looking out for other board 
>>> members. 
>>>
>>> Eric 
>>> Fredericksburg, USA 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 1:17:35 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>>>
 Yeah, I put Eric's address as my own...

 On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 12:28:43 PM UTC-4 John Rinker wrote:

> Good morning Kim and all,
>
> Thank you for the heads-up on the Reddit thing. I'm not sure what it 
> means that someone copied the map. Does this mean they've copied all the 
> data as well? For benign or nefarious purposes? Maybe they just think 
> it's 
> cool?
>
> Has anybody who posted on the map recently had their bike stolen from 
> their garage?
>
> I'm not quite sure what to say other than what seemed like a fun, 
> innocent idea obviously is perceived to have a darker side. I get the 
> reality of our world, but I choose to move through it assuming the best 
> in 
> people, and such efforts are born from this.  
>
> I will go through the spreadsheet and where there are house numbers 
> listed I'll delete the numbers, if that might make some feel more secure.
>
> Please shoot me an email if you wish to be deleted from the map or to 
> change your address to a cross street or a taco stand.
>
> Cheers,
> John
>
>
>
>
>
> On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 7:56:58 AM UTC-7 Luke Hendrickson 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> I listed an address of my fave fish taco spot as my home address :) 
>> Be careful out there y’all
>> On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 7:33:50 AM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hopefully this is the closest this list ever gets to the Nextdoor 
>>> app.
>>>
>>> On Sep 15, 2023, at 8:23 

Re: [RBW] Re: ATTENTION ! Someone posted on r/Rivendell_Bicycles the map of Rivendell bike owners

[Benjamin L. Kelley]

and for those that failed to read the actual website before raising their
hackles and wildly speculating and adding unrelated stories, If you don't
want to put your home address, it recommends hoosing a random address in
your town or vague lat/long to add some anonymity but also to keep the
markers from overlapping when just entering the city.

Not sure what all the fuss is about eitherway. 1: this has nothing to do
with reddit other than that's where the link to the existing site was
posted.  2: The site was originally posted on iBOB long ago, and I think
here too.
3: Everyone self signed up, it's not like this was data scraped from other
sources or from any sales records.
Nobody's info is out there that didn't want it out there.

--ben in KC

On Fri, Sep 15, 2023 at 1:35 PM Brian Turner  wrote:

> Seems like the solution to this would be to just pick a random point in
> your city, or a favorite establishment’s address, or a park or what have
> you. Let that be your location on the map.
>
>
> On Sep 15, 2023, at 2:28 PM, Caroline Golum 
> wrote:
>
> Seems like the subreddit is pretty sparsely attended so at least there's
> that!
>
> On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 2:01:19 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> John — Of course the map itself doesn't have a dark-sided or hidden
>> intent. I know you're trying to help people connect and I appreciate the
>> gesture. However there is no telling what people can and will do with a
>> database like this. Because this forum is visible to the public I would
>> never add my street address. I am reminded of a story about someone who had
>> two valuable Rene Herse bicycles stolen and they later figured out their
>> home address was visible on Strava.
>>
>> It seems the Reddit post was deleted but the original map is easy to find
>> here. I know it's uncomfortable to think that people could use this
>> information for nefarious purposes. But the fun and innocent oroginal
>> intent doesn't reduce the risk. I think because the visible members of the
>> forum are kind and generous it's easy to think that anyone reading our
>> posts has a similar mindset. But as we've seen with some recent scam sales
>> there are registered members looking to take advantage of others. And,
>> again, the entire forum is publicly visible to anyone with an internet
>> connect.
>>
>> Just my perspective with an interest in looking out for other board
>> members.
>>
>> Eric
>> Fredericksburg, USA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 1:17:35 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, I put Eric's address as my own...
>>>
>>> On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 12:28:43 PM UTC-4 John Rinker wrote:
>>>
 Good morning Kim and all,

 Thank you for the heads-up on the Reddit thing. I'm not sure what it
 means that someone copied the map. Does this mean they've copied all the
 data as well? For benign or nefarious purposes? Maybe they just think it's
 cool?

 Has anybody who posted on the map recently had their bike stolen from
 their garage?

 I'm not quite sure what to say other than what seemed like a fun,
 innocent idea obviously is perceived to have a darker side. I get the
 reality of our world, but I choose to move through it assuming the best in
 people, and such efforts are born from this.

 I will go through the spreadsheet and where there are house numbers
 listed I'll delete the numbers, if that might make some feel more secure.

 Please shoot me an email if you wish to be deleted from the map or to
 change your address to a cross street or a taco stand.

 Cheers,
 John





 On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 7:56:58 AM UTC-7 Luke Hendrickson
 wrote:

>
> I listed an address of my fave fish taco spot as my home address :) Be
> careful out there y’all
> On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 7:33:50 AM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> Hopefully this is the closest this list ever gets to the Nextdoor app.
>>
>> On Sep 15, 2023, at 8:23 AM, Ted W  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> An innocent idea but on the public Internet, quite dangerous. Sure,
>> the odds are low that someone will use the information maliciously, but 
>> why
>> risk it?
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 15, 2023 at 7:58 AM Eric Marth  wrote:
>>
>>> I love how many people listed their home addresses so you can go and
>>> snag their Rivs out of their sheds!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 10:35:39 PM UTC-4
>>> krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Hello John Rinker ..

 Kim Hetzel.

 On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 7:33:41 PM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:

> I noticed this just a while ago:
>
>
> https://www.reddit.com/r/Rivendell_Bicycles/comments/16ivfb0/rivendell_bike_owner_map/
>
> I have no association with the OP 

Re: [RBW] Re: ATTENTION ! Someone posted on r/Rivendell_Bicycles the map of Rivendell bike owners

[Kim H.]

@John -

Thank-you for your thoughts and offering to help.

Kim Hetzel
Yelm, WA.

On Fri, Sep 15, 2023 at 9:28 AM John Rinker  wrote:

> Good morning Kim and all,
>
> Thank you for the heads-up on the Reddit thing. I'm not sure what it means
> that someone copied the map. Does this mean they've copied all the data as
> well? For benign or nefarious purposes? Maybe they just think it's cool?
>
> Has anybody who posted on the map recently had their bike stolen from
> their garage?
>
> I'm not quite sure what to say other than what seemed like a fun, innocent
> idea obviously is perceived to have a darker side. I get the reality of our
> world, but I choose to move through it assuming the best in people, and
> such efforts are born from this.
>
> I will go through the spreadsheet and where there are house numbers listed
> I'll delete the numbers, if that might make some feel more secure.
>
> Please shoot me an email if you wish to be deleted from the map or to
> change your address to a cross street or a taco stand.
>
> Cheers,
> John
>
>
>
>
>
> On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 7:56:58 AM UTC-7 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>
>>
>> I listed an address of my fave fish taco spot as my home address :) Be
>> careful out there y’all
>> On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 7:33:50 AM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hopefully this is the closest this list ever gets to the Nextdoor app.
>>>
>>> On Sep 15, 2023, at 8:23 AM, Ted W  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> An innocent idea but on the public Internet, quite dangerous. Sure, the
>>> odds are low that someone will use the information maliciously, but why
>>> risk it?
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 15, 2023 at 7:58 AM Eric Marth  wrote:
>>>
 I love how many people listed their home addresses so you can go and
 snag their Rivs out of their sheds!


 On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 10:35:39 PM UTC-4 krhe...@gmail.com
 wrote:

> Hello John Rinker ..
>
> Kim Hetzel.
>
> On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 7:33:41 PM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:
>
>> I noticed this just a while ago:
>>
>>
>> https://www.reddit.com/r/Rivendell_Bicycles/comments/16ivfb0/rivendell_bike_owner_map/
>>
>> I have no association with the OP whatsoever.
>>
>> Is this going to be of a great concern or not ?
>>
>> Kim Hetzel
>> Yelm, WA.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: ATTENTION ! Someone posted on r/Rivendell_Bicycles the map of Rivendell bike owners

[Brian Turner]

Seems like the solution to this would be to just pick a random point in your city, or a favorite establishment’s address, or a park or what have you. Let that be your location on the map.On Sep 15, 2023, at 2:28 PM, Caroline Golum  wrote:Seems like the subreddit is pretty sparsely attended so at least there's that!On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 2:01:19 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:John — Of course the map itself doesn't have a dark-sided or hidden intent. I know you're trying to help people connect and I appreciate the gesture. However there is no telling what people can and will do with a database like this. Because this forum is visible to the public I would never add my street address. I am reminded of a story about someone who had two valuable Rene Herse bicycles stolen and they later figured out their home address was visible on Strava. It seems the Reddit post was deleted but the original map is easy to find here. I know it's uncomfortable to think that people could use this information for nefarious purposes. But the fun and innocent oroginal intent doesn't reduce the risk. I think because the visible members of the forum are kind and generous it's easy to think that anyone reading our posts has a similar mindset. But as we've seen with some recent scam sales there are registered members looking to take advantage of others. And, again, the entire forum is publicly visible to anyone with an internet connect. Just my perspective with an interest in looking out for other board members. Eric Fredericksburg, USA On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 1:17:35 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:Yeah, I put Eric's address as my own...On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 12:28:43 PM UTC-4 John Rinker wrote:Good morning Kim and all,Thank you for the heads-up on the Reddit thing. I'm not sure what it means that someone copied the map. Does this mean they've copied all the data as well? For benign or nefarious purposes? Maybe they just think it's cool?Has anybody who posted on the map recently had their bike stolen from their garage?I'm not quite sure what to say other than what seemed like a fun, innocent idea obviously is perceived to have a darker side. I get the reality of our world, but I choose to move through it assuming the best in people, and such efforts are born from this.  I will go through the spreadsheet and where there are house numbers listed I'll delete the numbers, if that might make some feel more secure.Please shoot me an email if you wish to be deleted from the map or to change your address to a cross street or a taco stand.Cheers,JohnOn Friday, September 15, 2023 at 7:56:58 AM UTC-7 Luke Hendrickson wrote:I listed an address of my fave fish taco spot as my home address :) Be careful out there y’allOn Friday, September 15, 2023 at 7:33:50 AM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com wrote:Hopefully this is the closest this list ever gets to the Nextdoor app.On Sep 15, 2023, at 8:23 AM, Ted W  wrote:An innocent idea but on the public Internet, quite dangerous. Sure, the odds are low that someone will use the information maliciously, but why risk it?On Fri, Sep 15, 2023 at 7:58 AM Eric Marth  wrote:I love how many people listed their home addresses so you can go and snag their Rivs out of their sheds! On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 10:35:39 PM UTC-4 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:Hello John Rinker ..Kim Hetzel.On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 7:33:41 PM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:I noticed this just a while ago:https://www.reddit.com/r/Rivendell_Bicycles/comments/16ivfb0/rivendell_bike_owner_map/I have no association with the OP whatsoever. Is this going to be of a great concern or not ?Kim HetzelYelm, WA. 



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Re: [RBW] Re: ATTENTION ! Someone posted on r/Rivendell_Bicycles the map of Rivendell bike owners

[Caroline Golum]

Seems like the subreddit is pretty sparsely attended so at least there's 
that!

On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 2:01:19 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> John — Of course the map itself doesn't have a dark-sided or hidden 
> intent. I know you're trying to help people connect and I appreciate the 
> gesture. However there is no telling what people can and will do with a 
> database like this. Because this forum is visible to the public I would 
> never add my street address. I am reminded of a story about someone who had 
> two valuable Rene Herse bicycles stolen and they later figured out their 
> home address was visible on Strava. 
>
> It seems the Reddit post was deleted but the original map is easy to find 
> here. I know it's uncomfortable to think that people could use this 
> information for nefarious purposes. But the fun and innocent oroginal 
> intent doesn't reduce the risk. I think because the visible members of the 
> forum are kind and generous it's easy to think that anyone reading our 
> posts has a similar mindset. But as we've seen with some recent scam sales 
> there are registered members looking to take advantage of others. And, 
> again, the entire forum is publicly visible to anyone with an internet 
> connect. 
>
> Just my perspective with an interest in looking out for other board 
> members. 
>
> Eric 
> Fredericksburg, USA 
>
>
>
>
> On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 1:17:35 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>
>> Yeah, I put Eric's address as my own...
>>
>> On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 12:28:43 PM UTC-4 John Rinker wrote:
>>
>>> Good morning Kim and all,
>>>
>>> Thank you for the heads-up on the Reddit thing. I'm not sure what it 
>>> means that someone copied the map. Does this mean they've copied all the 
>>> data as well? For benign or nefarious purposes? Maybe they just think it's 
>>> cool?
>>>
>>> Has anybody who posted on the map recently had their bike stolen from 
>>> their garage?
>>>
>>> I'm not quite sure what to say other than what seemed like a fun, 
>>> innocent idea obviously is perceived to have a darker side. I get the 
>>> reality of our world, but I choose to move through it assuming the best in 
>>> people, and such efforts are born from this.  
>>>
>>> I will go through the spreadsheet and where there are house numbers 
>>> listed I'll delete the numbers, if that might make some feel more secure.
>>>
>>> Please shoot me an email if you wish to be deleted from the map or to 
>>> change your address to a cross street or a taco stand.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 7:56:58 AM UTC-7 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>>

 I listed an address of my fave fish taco spot as my home address :) Be 
 careful out there y’all
 On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 7:33:50 AM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Hopefully this is the closest this list ever gets to the Nextdoor app.
>
> On Sep 15, 2023, at 8:23 AM, Ted W  wrote:
>
> 
>
> An innocent idea but on the public Internet, quite dangerous. Sure, 
> the odds are low that someone will use the information maliciously, but 
> why 
> risk it?
>
> On Fri, Sep 15, 2023 at 7:58 AM Eric Marth  wrote:
>
>> I love how many people listed their home addresses so you can go and 
>> snag their Rivs out of their sheds! 
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 10:35:39 PM UTC-4 
>> krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hello John Rinker ..
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 7:33:41 PM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:
>>>
 I noticed this just a while ago:


 https://www.reddit.com/r/Rivendell_Bicycles/comments/16ivfb0/rivendell_bike_owner_map/

 I have no association with the OP whatsoever. 

 Is this going to be of a great concern or not ?

 Kim Hetzel
 Yelm, WA. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: ATTENTION ! Someone posted on r/Rivendell_Bicycles the map of Rivendell bike owners

[Eric Marth]

John — Of course the map itself doesn't have a dark-sided or hidden intent. 
I know you're trying to help people connect and I appreciate the gesture. 
However there is no telling what people can and will do with a database 
like this. Because this forum is visible to the public I would never add my 
street address. I am reminded of a story about someone who had two valuable 
Rene Herse bicycles stolen and they later figured out their home address 
was visible on Strava. 

It seems the Reddit post was deleted but the original map is easy to find 
here. I know it's uncomfortable to think that people could use this 
information for nefarious purposes. But the fun and innocent oroginal 
intent doesn't reduce the risk. I think because the visible members of the 
forum are kind and generous it's easy to think that anyone reading our 
posts has a similar mindset. But as we've seen with some recent scam sales 
there are registered members looking to take advantage of others. And, 
again, the entire forum is publicly visible to anyone with an internet 
connect. 

Just my perspective with an interest in looking out for other board 
members. 

Eric 
Fredericksburg, USA 




On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 1:17:35 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:

> Yeah, I put Eric's address as my own...
>
> On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 12:28:43 PM UTC-4 John Rinker wrote:
>
>> Good morning Kim and all,
>>
>> Thank you for the heads-up on the Reddit thing. I'm not sure what it 
>> means that someone copied the map. Does this mean they've copied all the 
>> data as well? For benign or nefarious purposes? Maybe they just think it's 
>> cool?
>>
>> Has anybody who posted on the map recently had their bike stolen from 
>> their garage?
>>
>> I'm not quite sure what to say other than what seemed like a fun, 
>> innocent idea obviously is perceived to have a darker side. I get the 
>> reality of our world, but I choose to move through it assuming the best in 
>> people, and such efforts are born from this.  
>>
>> I will go through the spreadsheet and where there are house numbers 
>> listed I'll delete the numbers, if that might make some feel more secure.
>>
>> Please shoot me an email if you wish to be deleted from the map or to 
>> change your address to a cross street or a taco stand.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> John
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 7:56:58 AM UTC-7 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I listed an address of my fave fish taco spot as my home address :) Be 
>>> careful out there y’all
>>> On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 7:33:50 AM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hopefully this is the closest this list ever gets to the Nextdoor app.

 On Sep 15, 2023, at 8:23 AM, Ted W  wrote:

 

 An innocent idea but on the public Internet, quite dangerous. Sure, the 
 odds are low that someone will use the information maliciously, but why 
 risk it?

 On Fri, Sep 15, 2023 at 7:58 AM Eric Marth  wrote:

> I love how many people listed their home addresses so you can go and 
> snag their Rivs out of their sheds! 
>
>
> On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 10:35:39 PM UTC-4 krhe...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello John Rinker ..
>>
>> Kim Hetzel.
>>
>> On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 7:33:41 PM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:
>>
>>> I noticed this just a while ago:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.reddit.com/r/Rivendell_Bicycles/comments/16ivfb0/rivendell_bike_owner_map/
>>>
>>> I have no association with the OP whatsoever. 
>>>
>>> Is this going to be of a great concern or not ?
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel
>>> Yelm, WA. 
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: ATTENTION ! Someone posted on r/Rivendell_Bicycles the map of Rivendell bike owners

[Josh C]

Yeah, I put Eric's address as my own...

On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 12:28:43 PM UTC-4 John Rinker wrote:

> Good morning Kim and all,
>
> Thank you for the heads-up on the Reddit thing. I'm not sure what it means 
> that someone copied the map. Does this mean they've copied all the data as 
> well? For benign or nefarious purposes? Maybe they just think it's cool?
>
> Has anybody who posted on the map recently had their bike stolen from 
> their garage?
>
> I'm not quite sure what to say other than what seemed like a fun, innocent 
> idea obviously is perceived to have a darker side. I get the reality of our 
> world, but I choose to move through it assuming the best in people, and 
> such efforts are born from this.  
>
> I will go through the spreadsheet and where there are house numbers listed 
> I'll delete the numbers, if that might make some feel more secure.
>
> Please shoot me an email if you wish to be deleted from the map or to 
> change your address to a cross street or a taco stand.
>
> Cheers,
> John
>
>
>
>
>
> On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 7:56:58 AM UTC-7 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>
>>
>> I listed an address of my fave fish taco spot as my home address :) Be 
>> careful out there y’all
>> On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 7:33:50 AM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hopefully this is the closest this list ever gets to the Nextdoor app.
>>>
>>> On Sep 15, 2023, at 8:23 AM, Ted W  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> An innocent idea but on the public Internet, quite dangerous. Sure, the 
>>> odds are low that someone will use the information maliciously, but why 
>>> risk it?
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 15, 2023 at 7:58 AM Eric Marth  wrote:
>>>
 I love how many people listed their home addresses so you can go and 
 snag their Rivs out of their sheds! 


 On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 10:35:39 PM UTC-4 krhe...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Hello John Rinker ..
>
> Kim Hetzel.
>
> On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 7:33:41 PM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:
>
>> I noticed this just a while ago:
>>
>>
>> https://www.reddit.com/r/Rivendell_Bicycles/comments/16ivfb0/rivendell_bike_owner_map/
>>
>> I have no association with the OP whatsoever. 
>>
>> Is this going to be of a great concern or not ?
>>
>> Kim Hetzel
>> Yelm, WA. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: ATTENTION ! Someone posted on r/Rivendell_Bicycles the map of Rivendell bike owners

[John Rinker]

Good morning Kim and all,

Thank you for the heads-up on the Reddit thing. I'm not sure what it means 
that someone copied the map. Does this mean they've copied all the data as 
well? For benign or nefarious purposes? Maybe they just think it's cool?

Has anybody who posted on the map recently had their bike stolen from their 
garage?

I'm not quite sure what to say other than what seemed like a fun, innocent 
idea obviously is perceived to have a darker side. I get the reality of our 
world, but I choose to move through it assuming the best in people, and 
such efforts are born from this.  

I will go through the spreadsheet and where there are house numbers listed 
I'll delete the numbers, if that might make some feel more secure.

Please shoot me an email if you wish to be deleted from the map or to 
change your address to a cross street or a taco stand.

Cheers,
John





On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 7:56:58 AM UTC-7 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

>
> I listed an address of my fave fish taco spot as my home address :) Be 
> careful out there y’all
> On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 7:33:50 AM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hopefully this is the closest this list ever gets to the Nextdoor app.
>>
>> On Sep 15, 2023, at 8:23 AM, Ted W  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> An innocent idea but on the public Internet, quite dangerous. Sure, the 
>> odds are low that someone will use the information maliciously, but why 
>> risk it?
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 15, 2023 at 7:58 AM Eric Marth  wrote:
>>
>>> I love how many people listed their home addresses so you can go and 
>>> snag their Rivs out of their sheds! 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 10:35:39 PM UTC-4 krhe...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hello John Rinker ..

 Kim Hetzel.

 On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 7:33:41 PM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:

> I noticed this just a while ago:
>
>
> https://www.reddit.com/r/Rivendell_Bicycles/comments/16ivfb0/rivendell_bike_owner_map/
>
> I have no association with the OP whatsoever. 
>
> Is this going to be of a great concern or not ?
>
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: ATTENTION ! Someone posted on r/Rivendell_Bicycles the map of Rivendell bike owners

[Luke Hendrickson]

I listed an address of my fave fish taco spot as my home address :) Be 
careful out there y’all
On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 7:33:50 AM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hopefully this is the closest this list ever gets to the Nextdoor app.
>
> On Sep 15, 2023, at 8:23 AM, Ted W  wrote:
>
> 
>
> An innocent idea but on the public Internet, quite dangerous. Sure, the 
> odds are low that someone will use the information maliciously, but why 
> risk it?
>
> On Fri, Sep 15, 2023 at 7:58 AM Eric Marth  wrote:
>
>> I love how many people listed their home addresses so you can go and snag 
>> their Rivs out of their sheds! 
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 10:35:39 PM UTC-4 krhe...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello John Rinker ..
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 7:33:41 PM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:
>>>
 I noticed this just a while ago:


 https://www.reddit.com/r/Rivendell_Bicycles/comments/16ivfb0/rivendell_bike_owner_map/

 I have no association with the OP whatsoever. 

 Is this going to be of a great concern or not ?

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Re: [RBW] Re: ATTENTION ! Someone posted on r/Rivendell_Bicycles the map of Rivendell bike owners

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Hopefully this is the closest this list ever gets to the Nextdoor app.On Sep 15, 2023, at 8:23 AM, Ted W  wrote:An innocent idea but on the public Internet, quite dangerous. Sure, the odds are low that someone will use the information maliciously, but why risk it?On Fri, Sep 15, 2023 at 7:58 AM Eric Marth  wrote:I love how many people listed their home addresses so you can go and snag their Rivs out of their sheds! On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 10:35:39 PM UTC-4 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:Hello John Rinker ..Kim Hetzel.On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 7:33:41 PM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:I noticed this just a while ago:https://www.reddit.com/r/Rivendell_Bicycles/comments/16ivfb0/rivendell_bike_owner_map/I have no association with the OP whatsoever. Is this going to be of a great concern or not ?Kim HetzelYelm, WA. 



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Re: [RBW] Re: ATTENTION ! Someone posted on r/Rivendell_Bicycles the map of Rivendell bike owners

[Ted W]

An innocent idea but on the public Internet, quite dangerous. Sure, the
odds are low that someone will use the information maliciously, but why
risk it?

On Fri, Sep 15, 2023 at 7:58 AM Eric Marth  wrote:

> I love how many people listed their home addresses so you can go and snag
> their Rivs out of their sheds!
>
>
> On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 10:35:39 PM UTC-4 krhe...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> Hello John Rinker ..
>>
>> Kim Hetzel.
>>
>> On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 7:33:41 PM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:
>>
>>> I noticed this just a while ago:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.reddit.com/r/Rivendell_Bicycles/comments/16ivfb0/rivendell_bike_owner_map/
>>>
>>> I have no association with the OP whatsoever.
>>>
>>> Is this going to be of a great concern or not ?
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel
>>> Yelm, WA.
>>>
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