Re: [RBW] Re: Intro post, pics of my RIvs, and a Homer fit question

[Toshi Takeuchi]

If you are going 31.8, then Salsa Cowbells go wider and have 68 mm reach.
I have those bars on my Roadeo and the slight bit of flare makes it more
comfortable for me.
https://www.salsacycles.com/gear/cowbell


Toshi


On Sat, Feb 10, 2024 at 2:18 PM Elisabeth Sherwood <
elisabeth.sherw...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Oh, btw, for those who need to find something with absolutely the shortest
> reach possible (and are okay with black handlebars and a 31.8mm handlebar
> clamp), Specialized "Short Reach" bars have a 65mm reach!  (And the rest of
> the lovely shape as the Hover and Shallow Bend handlebars...)  They only
> come in 36cm, 38cm, and 40cm widths (which probably works fine for most
> people who need ridiculously short-reach bars!)
>
>
> https://www.specialized.com/us/en/short-reach-handlebars/p/156040?color=230922-156040
>
> Cheers!
>
> Liz
> Washington DC
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Intro post, pics of my RIvs, and a Homer fit question

[Garth]

Zipp's Service Course XPLR 70 come in silver and are short reach/shallow 
drop. (70/115). I chose this bar as I'm using a long body Tektro brake 
lever(341) and my frames have a longer than usual reach. So with this 
riding with my hands on the top/middles is as entirely comfortable as the 
hoods and the drops as I still have lots of reach to stretch out in all 
positions. The middle is oval shaped and has a slight 4-5d flare back to 
it. Subtle but noticeable. I just can't see going back to a rounded middle 
type of bar. I also bought a Ritchey Skyline Comp(black only) which has a 
similar ergo top and small drop/reach, but haven't used them yet. These 
change in reach/drop slightly per width. 

Zipp has some some other silver drop bars too. I'd like to try them all, 
but you know how that goes .. 

The Tektro 341 "compact" lever has the same full body as the 340, but the 
lever itself is shaped different so it's easier to grab in the drops. 
They're marketed for small-er hands, but I find they mate perfectly with 
shallow drop bars, and I have XL hands. I'm not a fan of the bent/offset 
levers though as I think it flares out too much. It seems a solution to a 
non-existent problem, and creates a problem in doing so, doh ! 

As for the saddle position, sheesh. Well everything I ever thought about 
positioning oneself over the BB has been shown to be folly, so about all I 
can say is if you get the urge to move forward, just do it and see what 
happens. :-)


On Saturday, February 10, 2024 at 8:23:11 PM UTC-5 ian m wrote:

> If you, like me, prefer Nitto to all alternatives check out the M151. I 
> believe Soma sells that model as well.
>
> On Saturday, February 10, 2024 at 5:58:50 PM UTC-5 eitanz...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> You guys have given me multiple good handlebar suggestions! I think I 
>> will rule out the Specialized bars though, as they seem to come in black 
>> only. That's fine for the Breezer but for this bike, I really want silver. 
>>  Looks like both the Ritchey Venturemax and VO Randonneur are both 31.8mm 
>> only. The Soma Highway One  is available  in 26mm--so by process of 
>> elimination may be the winner...
>>
>> --Eitan
>> Los Angeles
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, February 10, 2024 at 2:18:22 PM UTC-8 Elisabeth Sherwood 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Oh, btw, for those who need to find something with absolutely the 
>>> shortest reach possible (and are okay with black handlebars and a 31.8mm 
>>> handlebar clamp), Specialized "Short Reach" bars have a 65mm reach!  (And 
>>> the rest of the lovely shape as the Hover and Shallow Bend handlebars...)  
>>> They only come in 36cm, 38cm, and 40cm widths (which probably works fine 
>>> for most people who need ridiculously short-reach bars!)
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.specialized.com/us/en/short-reach-handlebars/p/156040?color=230922-156040
>>>
>>> Cheers!
>>>
>>> Liz 
>>> Washington DC
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, February 10, 2024 at 5:13:57 PM UTC-5 Elisabeth Sherwood 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I second Patrick's thoughts on the saddle position -- don't adjust for 
 reach using the saddle position! Rather, get the saddle where you want it 
 and then figure out how to get the bars in the right position.

 But, re. the Specialized Hover bars, don't forget that they feature 
 15mm of rise, while Eitan is finding that his handlebars are already too 
 high!

 The Specialized Expert Alloy Shallow Bend bar features the same shape 
 and 75mm reach of the Hover, but without the rise...  But it remains less 
 than ideal on a Riv because it's available only in black and with a 31.8mm 
 clamp diameter.

 For that reason, I always return to the Soma Highway One handlebar!  
 Available in silver, and in 26.0mm clamp diameters! (Same 75mm reach as 
 the 
 Specialized bars...)

 Liz
 Washington, DC



 On Saturday, February 10, 2024 at 2:27:41 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Ethan: Two suggestions:
>
> 1. Don't use saddle adjustment to adjust your bar. Get your saddle 
> where it should be for greatest comfort and pedaling efficiency -- saddle 
> height and setback in relation to the bottom bracket or crank axle is 
> where 
> I start my setup -- and then determine from saddle position where your 
> bar 
> should be, and choose stem and bar to suit.
>
> 2. For the ultimate in shortness and shallowness in a drop bar 
> (narrowness too, it seems), take a look at the Specialized Hover bar: 
> https://www.specialized.com/us/en/hover-expert-alloy-handlebars--15mm-rise/p/156001?color=230548-156001
>
> It's ugly but it has essentially no ramps because the reach is so 
> short and it has a very shallow drop *with* a 15 mm rise at the stem 
> clamp. I used one of these on my erstwhile Medium 2012 Monocog (gave it 
> to 
> a friend) to get a drop bar more or less comfortable on a frame with (by 
> my 
> 

Re: [RBW] Re: Intro post, pics of my RIvs, and a Homer fit question

[ian m]

If you, like me, prefer Nitto to all alternatives check out the M151. I 
believe Soma sells that model as well.

On Saturday, February 10, 2024 at 5:58:50 PM UTC-5 eitanz...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> You guys have given me multiple good handlebar suggestions! I think I will 
> rule out the Specialized bars though, as they seem to come in black only. 
> That's fine for the Breezer but for this bike, I really want silver.  Looks 
> like both the Ritchey Venturemax and VO Randonneur are both 31.8mm only. 
> The Soma Highway One  is available  in 26mm--so by process of elimination 
> may be the winner...
>
> --Eitan
> Los Angeles
>
>
>
> On Saturday, February 10, 2024 at 2:18:22 PM UTC-8 Elisabeth Sherwood 
> wrote:
>
>> Oh, btw, for those who need to find something with absolutely the 
>> shortest reach possible (and are okay with black handlebars and a 31.8mm 
>> handlebar clamp), Specialized "Short Reach" bars have a 65mm reach!  (And 
>> the rest of the lovely shape as the Hover and Shallow Bend handlebars...)  
>> They only come in 36cm, 38cm, and 40cm widths (which probably works fine 
>> for most people who need ridiculously short-reach bars!)
>>
>>
>> https://www.specialized.com/us/en/short-reach-handlebars/p/156040?color=230922-156040
>>
>> Cheers!
>>
>> Liz 
>> Washington DC
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, February 10, 2024 at 5:13:57 PM UTC-5 Elisabeth Sherwood 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I second Patrick's thoughts on the saddle position -- don't adjust for 
>>> reach using the saddle position! Rather, get the saddle where you want it 
>>> and then figure out how to get the bars in the right position.
>>>
>>> But, re. the Specialized Hover bars, don't forget that they feature 15mm 
>>> of rise, while Eitan is finding that his handlebars are already too high!
>>>
>>> The Specialized Expert Alloy Shallow Bend bar features the same shape 
>>> and 75mm reach of the Hover, but without the rise...  But it remains less 
>>> than ideal on a Riv because it's available only in black and with a 31.8mm 
>>> clamp diameter.
>>>
>>> For that reason, I always return to the Soma Highway One handlebar!  
>>> Available in silver, and in 26.0mm clamp diameters! (Same 75mm reach as the 
>>> Specialized bars...)
>>>
>>> Liz
>>> Washington, DC
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, February 10, 2024 at 2:27:41 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 Ethan: Two suggestions:

 1. Don't use saddle adjustment to adjust your bar. Get your saddle 
 where it should be for greatest comfort and pedaling efficiency -- saddle 
 height and setback in relation to the bottom bracket or crank axle is 
 where 
 I start my setup -- and then determine from saddle position where your bar 
 should be, and choose stem and bar to suit.

 2. For the ultimate in shortness and shallowness in a drop bar 
 (narrowness too, it seems), take a look at the Specialized Hover bar: 
 https://www.specialized.com/us/en/hover-expert-alloy-handlebars--15mm-rise/p/156001?color=230548-156001

 It's ugly but it has essentially no ramps because the reach is so short 
 and it has a very shallow drop *with* a 15 mm rise at the stem clamp. 
 I used one of these on my erstwhile Medium 2012 Monocog (gave it to a 
 friend) to get a drop bar more or less comfortable on a frame with (by my 
 road standard) an immensely too long top tube (59.6 cm versus my preferred 
 56 or 57 cm). I tried it with several stems (expensive even with generic 
 MVS or whatever they were stems), going from 17* 9 cm to 30 or 35* 7 cm. 
 Still a wee bit far but much, much better. I went thru this bar and stem 
 contortion because even a Hover bar (mine was 44 cm) a cm or 2 too far 
 away 
 was better than any non-drop bar I could find.


 On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 8:14:49 PM UTC-5 Ethan K wrote:
 ...  I already have the seat forward on the rails, btw. I will swap the 
 stem this weekend and see how that goes. Next  would be  handlebars, going 
 shorter reach and also narrower. (sounds like I shouldn't be afraid of 
 going even shorter.) I'm currently running a 46cm Noodle, which feels wide 
 in addition to long. When I swapped bars on the Breezer, I went with 
 shorter AND narrower, going from 44-42, and both of those changes helped a 
 lot.

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Intro post, pics of my RIvs, and a Homer fit question

[Ethan K]

You guys have given me multiple good handlebar suggestions! I think I will 
rule out the Specialized bars though, as they seem to come in black only. 
That's fine for the Breezer but for this bike, I really want silver.  Looks 
like both the Ritchey Venturemax and VO Randonneur are both 31.8mm only. 
The Soma Highway One  is available  in 26mm--so by process of elimination 
may be the winner...

--Eitan
Los Angeles



On Saturday, February 10, 2024 at 2:18:22 PM UTC-8 Elisabeth Sherwood wrote:

> Oh, btw, for those who need to find something with absolutely the shortest 
> reach possible (and are okay with black handlebars and a 31.8mm handlebar 
> clamp), Specialized "Short Reach" bars have a 65mm reach!  (And the rest of 
> the lovely shape as the Hover and Shallow Bend handlebars...)  They only 
> come in 36cm, 38cm, and 40cm widths (which probably works fine for most 
> people who need ridiculously short-reach bars!)
>
>
> https://www.specialized.com/us/en/short-reach-handlebars/p/156040?color=230922-156040
>
> Cheers!
>
> Liz 
> Washington DC
>
>
>
> On Saturday, February 10, 2024 at 5:13:57 PM UTC-5 Elisabeth Sherwood 
> wrote:
>
>> I second Patrick's thoughts on the saddle position -- don't adjust for 
>> reach using the saddle position! Rather, get the saddle where you want it 
>> and then figure out how to get the bars in the right position.
>>
>> But, re. the Specialized Hover bars, don't forget that they feature 15mm 
>> of rise, while Eitan is finding that his handlebars are already too high!
>>
>> The Specialized Expert Alloy Shallow Bend bar features the same shape and 
>> 75mm reach of the Hover, but without the rise...  But it remains less than 
>> ideal on a Riv because it's available only in black and with a 31.8mm clamp 
>> diameter.
>>
>> For that reason, I always return to the Soma Highway One handlebar!  
>> Available in silver, and in 26.0mm clamp diameters! (Same 75mm reach as the 
>> Specialized bars...)
>>
>> Liz
>> Washington, DC
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, February 10, 2024 at 2:27:41 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Ethan: Two suggestions:
>>>
>>> 1. Don't use saddle adjustment to adjust your bar. Get your saddle where 
>>> it should be for greatest comfort and pedaling efficiency -- saddle height 
>>> and setback in relation to the bottom bracket or crank axle is where I 
>>> start my setup -- and then determine from saddle position where your bar 
>>> should be, and choose stem and bar to suit.
>>>
>>> 2. For the ultimate in shortness and shallowness in a drop bar 
>>> (narrowness too, it seems), take a look at the Specialized Hover bar: 
>>> https://www.specialized.com/us/en/hover-expert-alloy-handlebars--15mm-rise/p/156001?color=230548-156001
>>>
>>> It's ugly but it has essentially no ramps because the reach is so short 
>>> and it has a very shallow drop *with* a 15 mm rise at the stem clamp. I 
>>> used one of these on my erstwhile Medium 2012 Monocog (gave it to a friend) 
>>> to get a drop bar more or less comfortable on a frame with (by my road 
>>> standard) an immensely too long top tube (59.6 cm versus my preferred 56 or 
>>> 57 cm). I tried it with several stems (expensive even with generic MVS or 
>>> whatever they were stems), going from 17* 9 cm to 30 or 35* 7 cm. Still a 
>>> wee bit far but much, much better. I went thru this bar and stem contortion 
>>> because even a Hover bar (mine was 44 cm) a cm or 2 too far away was better 
>>> than any non-drop bar I could find.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 8:14:49 PM UTC-5 Ethan K wrote:
>>> ...  I already have the seat forward on the rails, btw. I will swap the 
>>> stem this weekend and see how that goes. Next  would be  handlebars, going 
>>> shorter reach and also narrower. (sounds like I shouldn't be afraid of 
>>> going even shorter.) I'm currently running a 46cm Noodle, which feels wide 
>>> in addition to long. When I swapped bars on the Breezer, I went with 
>>> shorter AND narrower, going from 44-42, and both of those changes helped a 
>>> lot.
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Intro post, pics of my RIvs, and a Homer fit question

[Elisabeth Sherwood]

Oh, btw, for those who need to find something with absolutely the shortest 
reach possible (and are okay with black handlebars and a 31.8mm handlebar 
clamp), Specialized "Short Reach" bars have a 65mm reach!  (And the rest of 
the lovely shape as the Hover and Shallow Bend handlebars...)  They only 
come in 36cm, 38cm, and 40cm widths (which probably works fine for most 
people who need ridiculously short-reach bars!)

https://www.specialized.com/us/en/short-reach-handlebars/p/156040?color=230922-156040

Cheers!

Liz 
Washington DC



On Saturday, February 10, 2024 at 5:13:57 PM UTC-5 Elisabeth Sherwood wrote:

> I second Patrick's thoughts on the saddle position -- don't adjust for 
> reach using the saddle position! Rather, get the saddle where you want it 
> and then figure out how to get the bars in the right position.
>
> But, re. the Specialized Hover bars, don't forget that they feature 15mm 
> of rise, while Eitan is finding that his handlebars are already too high!
>
> The Specialized Expert Alloy Shallow Bend bar features the same shape and 
> 75mm reach of the Hover, but without the rise...  But it remains less than 
> ideal on a Riv because it's available only in black and with a 31.8mm clamp 
> diameter.
>
> For that reason, I always return to the Soma Highway One handlebar!  
> Available in silver, and in 26.0mm clamp diameters! (Same 75mm reach as the 
> Specialized bars...)
>
> Liz
> Washington, DC
>
>
>
> On Saturday, February 10, 2024 at 2:27:41 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Ethan: Two suggestions:
>>
>> 1. Don't use saddle adjustment to adjust your bar. Get your saddle where 
>> it should be for greatest comfort and pedaling efficiency -- saddle height 
>> and setback in relation to the bottom bracket or crank axle is where I 
>> start my setup -- and then determine from saddle position where your bar 
>> should be, and choose stem and bar to suit.
>>
>> 2. For the ultimate in shortness and shallowness in a drop bar 
>> (narrowness too, it seems), take a look at the Specialized Hover bar: 
>> https://www.specialized.com/us/en/hover-expert-alloy-handlebars--15mm-rise/p/156001?color=230548-156001
>>
>> It's ugly but it has essentially no ramps because the reach is so short 
>> and it has a very shallow drop *with* a 15 mm rise at the stem clamp. I 
>> used one of these on my erstwhile Medium 2012 Monocog (gave it to a friend) 
>> to get a drop bar more or less comfortable on a frame with (by my road 
>> standard) an immensely too long top tube (59.6 cm versus my preferred 56 or 
>> 57 cm). I tried it with several stems (expensive even with generic MVS or 
>> whatever they were stems), going from 17* 9 cm to 30 or 35* 7 cm. Still a 
>> wee bit far but much, much better. I went thru this bar and stem contortion 
>> because even a Hover bar (mine was 44 cm) a cm or 2 too far away was better 
>> than any non-drop bar I could find.
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 8:14:49 PM UTC-5 Ethan K wrote:
>> ...  I already have the seat forward on the rails, btw. I will swap the 
>> stem this weekend and see how that goes. Next  would be  handlebars, going 
>> shorter reach and also narrower. (sounds like I shouldn't be afraid of 
>> going even shorter.) I'm currently running a 46cm Noodle, which feels wide 
>> in addition to long. When I swapped bars on the Breezer, I went with 
>> shorter AND narrower, going from 44-42, and both of those changes helped a 
>> lot.
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Intro post, pics of my RIvs, and a Homer fit question

[Elisabeth Sherwood]

I second Patrick's thoughts on the saddle position -- don't adjust for 
reach using the saddle position! Rather, get the saddle where you want it 
and then figure out how to get the bars in the right position.

But, re. the Specialized Hover bars, don't forget that they feature 15mm of 
rise, while Eitan is finding that his handlebars are already too high!

The Specialized Expert Alloy Shallow Bend bar features the same shape and 
75mm reach of the Hover, but without the rise...  But it remains less than 
ideal on a Riv because it's available only in black and with a 31.8mm clamp 
diameter.

For that reason, I always return to the Soma Highway One handlebar!  
Available in silver, and in 26.0mm clamp diameters! (Same 75mm reach as the 
Specialized bars...)

Liz
Washington, DC



On Saturday, February 10, 2024 at 2:27:41 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Ethan: Two suggestions:
>
> 1. Don't use saddle adjustment to adjust your bar. Get your saddle where 
> it should be for greatest comfort and pedaling efficiency -- saddle height 
> and setback in relation to the bottom bracket or crank axle is where I 
> start my setup -- and then determine from saddle position where your bar 
> should be, and choose stem and bar to suit.
>
> 2. For the ultimate in shortness and shallowness in a drop bar (narrowness 
> too, it seems), take a look at the Specialized Hover bar: 
> https://www.specialized.com/us/en/hover-expert-alloy-handlebars--15mm-rise/p/156001?color=230548-156001
>
> It's ugly but it has essentially no ramps because the reach is so short 
> and it has a very shallow drop *with* a 15 mm rise at the stem clamp. I 
> used one of these on my erstwhile Medium 2012 Monocog (gave it to a friend) 
> to get a drop bar more or less comfortable on a frame with (by my road 
> standard) an immensely too long top tube (59.6 cm versus my preferred 56 or 
> 57 cm). I tried it with several stems (expensive even with generic MVS or 
> whatever they were stems), going from 17* 9 cm to 30 or 35* 7 cm. Still a 
> wee bit far but much, much better. I went thru this bar and stem contortion 
> because even a Hover bar (mine was 44 cm) a cm or 2 too far away was better 
> than any non-drop bar I could find.
>
>
> On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 8:14:49 PM UTC-5 Ethan K wrote:
> ...  I already have the seat forward on the rails, btw. I will swap the 
> stem this weekend and see how that goes. Next  would be  handlebars, going 
> shorter reach and also narrower. (sounds like I shouldn't be afraid of 
> going even shorter.) I'm currently running a 46cm Noodle, which feels wide 
> in addition to long. When I swapped bars on the Breezer, I went with 
> shorter AND narrower, going from 44-42, and both of those changes helped a 
> lot.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Intro post, pics of my RIvs, and a Homer fit question

[Chris Fly]

Agree with Patrick on the seat setback, you don’t want to futz with that once it’s set where you need it based on only the saddle and not the reach.. And the Specialized bars are nice, I run those on two of my non-Riv bikes.. Ritchey also makes the Ergomax bars that are similar to the Spec. bars, but have a bit of backsweep that could help bring the hoods a little bit closer.. Chris Make a space for people to come as they are and not have to just “fit in”On Feb 10, 2024, at 11:27 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:Ethan: Two suggestions:1. Don't use saddle adjustment to adjust your bar. Get your saddle where it should be for greatest comfort and pedaling efficiency -- saddle height and setback in relation to the bottom bracket or crank axle is where I start my setup -- and then determine from saddle position where your bar should be, and choose stem and bar to suit.2. For the ultimate in shortness and shallowness in a drop bar (narrowness too, it seems), take a look at the Specialized Hover bar: https://www.specialized.com/us/en/hover-expert-alloy-handlebars--15mm-rise/p/156001?color=230548-156001It's ugly but it has essentially no ramps because the reach is so short and it has a very shallow drop with a 15 mm rise at the stem clamp. I used one of these on my erstwhile Medium 2012 Monocog (gave it to a friend) to get a drop bar more or less comfortable on a frame with (by my road standard) an immensely too long top tube (59.6 cm versus my preferred 56 or 57 cm). I tried it with several stems (expensive even with generic MVS or whatever they were stems), going from 17* 9 cm to 30 or 35* 7 cm. Still a wee bit far but much, much better. I went thru this bar and stem contortion because even a Hover bar (mine was 44 cm) a cm or 2 too far away was better than any non-drop bar I could find.On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 8:14:49 PM UTC-5 Ethan K wrote:...  I already have the seat forward on the rails, btw. I will swap the stem this weekend and see how that goes. Next  would be  handlebars, going shorter reach and also narrower. (sounds like I shouldn't be afraid of going even shorter.) I'm currently running a 46cm Noodle, which feels wide in addition to long. When I swapped bars on the Breezer, I went with shorter AND narrower, going from 44-42, and both of those changes helped a lot.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Intro post, pics of my RIvs, and a Homer fit question

[Patrick Moore]

Ethan: Two suggestions:

1. Don't use saddle adjustment to adjust your bar. Get your saddle where it
should be for greatest comfort and pedaling efficiency -- saddle height and
setback in relation to the bottom bracket or crank axle is where I start my
setup -- and then determine from saddle position where your bar should be,
and choose stem and bar to suit.

2. For the ultimate in shortness and shallowness in a drop bar (narrowness
too, it seems), take a look at the Specialized Hover bar:
https://www.specialized.com/us/en/hover-expert-alloy-handlebars--15mm-rise/p/156001?color=230548-156001

It's ugly but it has essentially no ramps because the reach is so short and
it has a very shallow drop *with* a 15 mm rise at the stem clamp. I used
one of these on my erstwhile Medium 2012 Monocog (gave it to a friend) to
get a drop bar more or less comfortable on a frame with (by my road
standard) an immensely too long top tube (59.6 cm versus my preferred 56 or
57 cm). I tried it with several stems (expensive even with generic MVS or
whatever they were stems), going from 17* 9 cm to 30 or 35* 7 cm. Still a
wee bit far but much, much better. I went thru this bar and stem contortion
because even a Hover bar (mine was 44 cm) a cm or 2 too far away was better
than any non-drop bar I could find.


On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 8:14:49 PM UTC-5 Ethan K wrote:
...  I already have the seat forward on the rails, btw. I will swap the
stem this weekend and see how that goes. Next  would be  handlebars, going
shorter reach and also narrower. (sounds like I shouldn't be afraid of
going even shorter.) I'm currently running a 46cm Noodle, which feels wide
in addition to long. When I swapped bars on the Breezer, I went with
shorter AND narrower, going from 44-42, and both of those changes helped a
lot.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Intro post, pics of my RIvs, and a Homer fit question

[Cody Marvin]

I've had similar reach issues before, including on my Sam Hillborne. I've
found I like the Soma Hwy One and the Nitto/Blue Lug Fairweather 174 bars.
They both have shorter reach and less drop than the Noodle (I'm guessing
that's what you have?). The drops on the Soma bars come back pretty far and
can make things feel a little cramped with bar ends, but I still like and
use them (I suppose you could also cut them down). The Blue Lug bars are
maybe a better design for bar ends, but I think they're often out of stock.

Cody, Chicago

On Wed, Feb 7, 2024 at 4:42 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> Here are a few thoughts:
>
> People who know exactly what works for them figure it out over a long time
> with lots of bikes, and have a set of numbers in their pocket so they can
> know before buying whether a particular will set up correctly for them.  It
> sounds like you don't have that all figured out for yourself.  Is that a
> reasonable assumption?
>
> People who don't have their fit completely figured out for themselves are
> usually well advised to get a fitting from an experienced fitter who
> understands the target use-case.  Can you find such a person?  Have you had
> anybody who knows about such things look at you while you are riding?
>
> This is intended for an endurance/all-road use case.  Are you currently an
> endurance athlete?  Or do you aspire to be an endurance athlete?  Do you
> want the bike to fit the body you have, or the body you intend to have?
>
> Those are my thoughts.  Best of luck
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 1:20:53 PM UTC-8 eitanz...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all, wanted to introduce myself and my bikes. Over the last six months
>> I went from zero to two Rivendells, and joined this group--though this is
>> my first post: First up, a Cheviot, picked up secondhand, as my city bike.
>> Previous owner built this up swanky: Son, XTR,, Pacenti, Paul, XT, etc. .
>> added the front and rear racks. I also picked up a Riv Happisack, which
>> alternates with the YEPP mount. Apologies for the distinctly un-glamorous
>> garage pic:
>>
>>
>> [image: IMG_2009.jpeg]
>>
>> I love this bike. It is exceedingly comfortable and beautiful.
>>
>> Last month I took delivery of a Homer,  which I had built up to be a
>> zippy road bike with a classic look: 9 speed friction shifting using the
>> Dia Compe shifters to XT derailleur, Rene Herse crankset, Paul brakes, the
>> TRP drilled brake levers, with Velocity Quill rims on Deore hubs.
>>
>> [image: IMG_2739.jpeg]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> That said, as beautiful as this bike is, I haven't been able to get
>> comfortable on it. I am too stretched out. I have tried raising the bars a
>> bit from these pics, but fundamentally I think the reach is too long. I
>> gave my height/PBH to Antonio at Rivendell, and they set the bike up with
>> an 80mm stem. I have ordered a 70mm version of the stem, though I'm
>> concerned that's getting pretty short. Next step if that's not enough is
>> try a shorter-reach handlebar, in a narrower size.  If that doesn't work I
>> fear I will need to sell the bike. I could replace the drops with upright
>> bars, but I already have the Cheviot and specifically wanted a drop-bar
>> endurance/all-roadish bike.
>>
>> I get the need to raise the bars, but I don't want a situation where the
>> bars are 5" above the saddle.
>>
>> Any thoughts on other ways to get this bike to fit better?
>>
>> Thanks!
>> --Eitan (in Los Angeles)
>>
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