Re: [RBW] Re: Who wants a Hunqadiscer?

[William Henderson]

Ah, the mythical Hunqamullet: performance in the front, classic in the back.

On Sun, Feb 4, 2018 at 10:57 PM DarinM  wrote:

> Those of you who want a disc-Riv, how would you feel about Rivendell
> offering just a disc fork option for a few of the exiting bikes? The front
> brake does most of our braking anyways, the rear is arguably only there for
> emergency use, except for maybe on dedicated MTB's which Riv doesn't really
> offer anyways.
>
> It may simplify things for them while also keeping everyone happy as you
> could order one or the other with your frame. I ask as someone who doesn't
> really see where discs would fit in their current line-up anyways, aside
> from maybe the Hunq.
>
> Darin in eastern WA
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Re: [RBW] Re: Who wants a Hunqadiscer?

[Steven Sweedler]

I rode the Great Divide with older Shimano cantis and never felt ill
equipped. The last piece I read here from Grant I thought covered his
feelings pretty well. Keep it simple. Steve
On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 7:59 AM Jeffrey Arita  wrote:

> Joe,
>
> A bit of background for you here:  Been cycling seriously since 1987.
> Ever since disc brakes came out I thought they were just another way for
> the cycling marketers to sell more stuffI did not buy into this 'new
> tech.'  I continued to ride a v-brake equipped bike.  We live here in dry
> Southern California, so of course the v-brakes worked brilliantly.  With
> the 'old' mountain bike looking long in the tooth, I went looking for a new
> one.  Upon examining all of the disc-brake equipped bikes, I lamented to
> the poor salesperson "why aren't there any v-brake equipped atb's out
> there??  He looked at me as if I were from Mars of course.I finally
> broke down and bought a brand spankin' new mountain bike, equipped with XTR
> hydraulic brakes.  After riding it on my favorite off-road loop I was a
> convert.  The power and touch those brakes provide is amazing.  Sometimes
> technology is a good thing.  This past year went on the Divide and used
> disc brake equipped bikes.  25 mile long downhills could do some serious
> abrasion to rims.  The disc rotors sacrificed themselves as easily
> replaceable components...
>
> So, yes, I would definitely consider a disc-brake equipped Riv.
>
> Good luck!
>
> Jeff
>
> On Saturday, February 3, 2018 at 12:30:33 PM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> Now that I've conjured up my future-Riv on the "what type of bike" thread
>> (full disclosure: I also sent an email to Roman @ Riv), I guess I'll
>> campaign for it on its own thread.
>>
>> I know Grant/Riv isn't big on disc brakes, but a lot of people prefer
>> them in the dirt. I'm not sure there's much of a market for a pricier
>> fully-lugged disc Riv, but a Hunqapillar-ish semi-TIGed 650B model in the
>> Clem/Roadini price range would be the bee's pajamas. Would you buy a Riv
>> dirt bike (I'm campaigning for a small "dirt bike" decal, too) with
>> mechanical discs?
>>
>> Joe "weak hands" Bernard
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Who wants a Hunqadiscer?

[Joe Bernard]

Bill, have you ever known Grant to design or sell a bike thing he's not 
interested in? Of course I don't expect him to do a disc Riv, it's just a 
request with the thinking that maybe youngsters at RBW could spearhead it. It'd 
be cool if it happened, but I'll keep buying frames and parts from them 
regardless. I like Riv stuff!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Who wants a Hunqadiscer?

[Patrick Moore]

I won't quarrel with Rivendell if it never makes a disc brake bike, but as
to disc brake technology itself -- and I speak as a bitter, aging
disparager of so much of modernity* -- I have to agree with Jeffrey. Disc
brakes do work well, and solve a number of problems that other types of
brakes bring with them.

Me, I use the venerable (and by now, it *is* venerable) BB7 road model; and
despite disparaging reports, it is a perfectly adequate brake, even with
160 mm rotors f and r. I say "adequate" -- it's not more powerful than the
best cantis or V brakes or calipers; but it works as well or better than
most of these, at least IME. Hydraulics apparently are better still, but
I've not use them. And discs of any sort allow you to run very light rims
in dirt without fear of grinding them to destruction in short order --
those are my 2 principal reason for using the BB7s.

But my main point is the adequacy of even the oldest of the cable discs:
they work *fine*. Even if they're not the most powerful, or if modulation
is not the best; even with the weight penalty and the careful adjustment to
avoid pad rub -- they just work, and work well. Power (= retardation with
respect to hand effort, as well as absolute retardation), modulation (on
par with V brakes), noise (squeak when dusty), rub (you have to know the
compromise between pad travel and pad force), pad wear, weight (at least
the additional wheel weight is at the hub and not the rim) -- all of these
are within quite acceptable limits, it seems to me, when compared to any
rim brake I've used, and I've used very many.

* I hope that most readers are not *too* unimaginatively earnest.

On Sun, Feb 4, 2018 at 3:58 PM, Jeffrey Arita 
wrote:

> Joe,
>
> A bit of background for you here:  Been cycling seriously since 1987.
> Ever since disc brakes came out I thought they were just another way for
> the cycling marketers to sell more stuffI did not buy into this 'new
> tech.'  I continued to ride a v-brake equipped bike.  We live here in dry
> Southern California, so of course the v-brakes worked brilliantly.  With
> the 'old' mountain bike looking long in the tooth, I went looking for a new
> one.  Upon examining all of the disc-brake equipped bikes, I lamented to
> the poor salesperson "why aren't there any v-brake equipped atb's out
> there??  He looked at me as if I were from Mars of course.I finally
> broke down and bought a brand spankin' new mountain bike, equipped with XTR
> hydraulic brakes.  After riding it on my favorite off-road loop I was a
> convert.  The power and touch those brakes provide is amazing.  Sometimes
> technology is a good thing.  This past year went on the Divide and used
> disc brake equipped bikes.  25 mile long downhills could do some serious
> abrasion to rims.  The disc rotors sacrificed themselves as easily
> replaceable components...
>
> So, yes, I would definitely consider a disc-brake equipped Riv.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Who wants a Hunqadiscer?

[Bill Schairer]

I’m married to an artist and there are pieces she has been asked to make that 
she just doesn’t want to make.  The love is not there.  I happen to think of 
bicycles as pieces of art.  If the love is not there for the artist, I’m not 
sure the end product would meet the artist’s own standards and that is reason 
enough for not making it.

Bill

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Re: [RBW] Re: Who wants a Hunqadiscer?

[William Henderson]

Cost was $450 for a custom fork (matches original except disc tab and
stoutness) and ~200 to add a tab to the frame. ISO mounts.

I already needed a paint job and a new fork, so it was a no brainer for me.

On Sun, Feb 4, 2018 at 6:50 PM EasyRider  wrote:

> Kinda surprising that more people haven't done as William, and had disc
> mounts added their Atlantis, Hunq, Sam, etc., What would it cost, a few
> hundred? Plus repaint? Or maybe get Waterford to make a disc fork? I'd
> guess that'd be 400-500. Anyway, a lot less than buying a new disc Riv,
> were one to exist.
>
> Pete
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Re: [RBW] Re: Who wants a Hunqadiscer?

[Addison Wilhite]

I adore and prize my Allrounder.  It's the last and only Riv I own.  The
only time I lust for another Riv is the occasional Legolas pang.  If a
Hunqapillar 650b disc came out it would shoot to the top of my bike desire
list.  Easily.  Rocky descents here in Nevada make it difficult to enjoy
singletrack without discs anymore.

+1 for a disc Riv.


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On Sun, Feb 4, 2018 at 7:50 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

> "..and that they seem to go hand in
> hand with the adoption of new standards that make the use of those parts
> that are so characteristic of Rivendell builds out of the question."
>
> How do discs "seem" to do this on a bicycle I've repeatedly described as
> using all normal Riv parts aside from the brakes? Let's take 4 Rivs stout
> enough for pounding around on trails: Hunqapillar, Atlantis, Appaloosa and
> Clem. Put a standard Riv build on them, then have the cables end at discs
> instead of v-brakes or cantis. The only things that have changed are no rim
> brakes and the hubs are disc compatible. Maybe you need disc compatible
> racks, but there's a ton of them out there. I don't see the problem you're
> describing.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Who wants a Hunqadiscer?

[Joe Bernard]

"..and that they seem to go hand in 
hand with the adoption of new standards that make the use of those parts 
that are so characteristic of Rivendell builds out of the question."

How do discs "seem" to do this on a bicycle I've repeatedly described as using 
all normal Riv parts aside from the brakes? Let's take 4 Rivs stout enough for 
pounding around on trails: Hunqapillar, Atlantis, Appaloosa and Clem. Put a 
standard Riv build on them, then have the cables end at discs instead of 
v-brakes or cantis. The only things that have changed are no rim brakes and the 
hubs are disc compatible. Maybe you need disc compatible racks, but there's a 
ton of them out there. I don't see the problem you're describing. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Who wants a Hunqadiscer?

[William Henderson]

Switching my Atlantis to disc brakes represents somewhat of a controlled
experiment, and I can tell you that if anything changed about the “ride
quality” it is undetectable. Perhaps on a road bike with skinny tires it
would be different.
On Sun, Feb 4, 2018 at 7:05 AM 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Again, sure, why not? But that doesn't mean someone else can't look at
> bicycle braking technologies and decide, with equal validity, why? It may
> not be a popular decision, it may be seen as "impeding progress" or simply
> as stubborn. But it doesn't make it wrong. This decision by itself may or
> may not be a game changer, but as more and more of these choices acrue, the
> path changes irrevocably. I know everyone says cars are so much better now
> than back in the day, but most guys no longer have the tools or the
> $100,000 diagnostic computer needed to tinker with them, never mind teach
> their sons. And a rear view mirror, which you could once adjust by rolling
> down the window and giving it a twist, is now electronically operated and
> costs a fortune to replace or fix. We see all the shiny positives in these
> developments and plunge in wholeheartedly, but truly, there are drawbacks,
> both for individuals and society. The best choice there would have been to
> limit our use of cars and design things around trains and trolleys and
> bicycles and walking. You make cars more "efficient" and "safe" and then
> you fall into things like Jevon's Paradox, and now you need more parking
> lots and roads and other infrastructure and maintaining it all, not to
> mention the increased time humans spend in automobiles shuffling ourselves
> about. And as we know, that's just the tip of the problem's iceberg.
>
> On Sunday, February 4, 2018 at 2:57:22 AM UTC-5, rw1911 wrote:
>>
>> I wrote a big, long response sharing my personal experiences with moving
>> to new tech related to bikes and cars, but in the end, I came to the same
>> place...
>>
>> Why not?  Disc brakes are good.  Maybe they they don't have the character
>> or aesthetics of our beloved rim brakes, but they are good, even better
>> when added to the already wonderful qualities of a Riv. (lugged Hunqadiscer
>> for me please)
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, February 3, 2018 at 3:30:33 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>> Now that I've conjured up my future-Riv on the "what type of bike"
>>> thread (full disclosure: I also sent an email to Roman @ Riv), I guess I'll
>>> campaign for it on its own thread.
>>>
>>> I know Grant/Riv isn't big on disc brakes, but a lot of people prefer
>>> them in the dirt. I'm not sure there's much of a market for a pricier
>>> fully-lugged disc Riv, but a Hunqapillar-ish semi-TIGed 650B model in the
>>> Clem/Roadini price range would be the bee's pajamas. Would you buy a Riv
>>> dirt bike (I'm campaigning for a small "dirt bike" decal, too) with
>>> mechanical discs?
>>>
>>> Joe "weak hands" Bernard
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Who wants a Hunqadiscer?

[Steve Palincsar]

On 02/04/2018 02:57 AM, rw1911 wrote:
I wrote a big, long response sharing my personal experiences with 
moving to new tech related to bikes and cars, but in the end, I came 
to the same place...


Why not?  Disc brakes are good.  Maybe they they don't have the 
character or aesthetics of our beloved rim brakes, but they are good, 
even better when added to the already wonderful qualities of a Riv. 
(lugged Hunqadiscer for me please)





Why not?  Well, two reasons might be that they require ultra-stiff forks 
that destroy that nice ride you admire, and that they seem to go hand in 
hand with the adoption of new standards that make the use of those parts 
that are so characteristic of Rivendell builds out of the question.


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