Re: [RBW] Re: Will's Roadini SS

[Patrick Moore]

The Monocog 29er is a worthy steed; my present 2012 model (much modified
from the original by replacing crank, pedals, cog, brakes, bar, levers,
saddle) is my second; I had a 2010 even more modified with drop bar. I'd be
perfectly happy with the 2012 tho' it's far more beefy than I need if only
it had about 2 cm more clearance in back for a true 76 mm tire. As it is
the ~71-72 mm tire clears the stays by as little as 1 mm (tire wobbles) and
rubs at the slightest provocation.

If your tour was pre-fatbike, did you ever think of the SnoCat rims? I used
those on a Fargo until I switched to tubeless.

Do you have any photos of the touring Monocog?

On Thu, Dec 22, 2022 at 1:49 PM Wesley  wrote:

> Patrick, I think you've talked about having a Redline Monocog 29er... that
> was my more MTB-type single speed, too. I made it into an all-rounder by
> drilling and tapping the frame to mount rack and fenders, and I converted
> it to a manual 3-speed with three cog/chainring combinations that all added
> up to the same number of teeth. This was the bike that I built wheels for
> using unicycle rims for extra wideness. Finally, I put on Albatross bars
> and a CETMA front rack. In that configuration, I toured it from Fairbanks
> to Juneau, Alaska after I finished college at the University of Alaska
> Fairbanks. It was a very nice ride and I regret that I gave it away when I
> moved overseas for a few years.
> -Wes
>
> On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 9:48:43 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I'd like to hear about and see photos of single-speeded or fix-ified
>> mountain bikes set up as all rounders. One of the nicest single
>> speeds/fixeds I owned, and one of the very few discarded bikes I wish I'd
>> kept (the others are largely ss or fixed too) was that very early '90s
>> Diamond Back Axis Team with TA Pro 5 Vis crank with 42 t ring on long
>> spindle pulling a 17t fixed cog for a 67" gear; Flite saddle and Noodles at
>> the perfect reach and height on a 10 cm Dirt Drop stem. The high bb let me
>> pedal at speed around corners and the handling, tho' a bit sedate by brisk
>> road bike standards, was entirely and wholly neutral and seamless and
>> pleasant.
>>
>> I've head of using a bb lockring as a lockring for a fixed cog, but I've
>> never bothered with one. I'll be interested in hearing if they add any
>> security.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 21, 2022 at 9:13 AM Coal Bee Rye Anne 
>> wrote:
>>
>> > To Patrick's note on using fixed cogs on standard freewheel
>> threading... aren't traditional cup/cone bottom bracket lockrings the same
>> threading (for the most part) and is there any value in using one of those
>> for extra security or is the same > direction threading pretty much render
>> them useless vs. the force that may be applied with firm backpedaling?
>> This is more a curiosity whether anyone has had success or failure
>> attempting this...
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Will's Roadini SS

[Patrick Moore]

I'm still curious whether righthand thread lockrings add any security to a
thread-on cog; it seems to me that butted tight against the cog, the cog
and lockring make up a single threaded piece that will respond to reverse
pressure just as the cog alone will. I'd be happy to hear more on the
subject. Perhaps it adds security simply by adding more threads to the
connection?

That said, again, I never had a problem with just a cog and no lockring;
and of course red Loctite will stick that cog onto the threads almost
permanently until you heat the stuff.

Patrick Moore, who did once torque the threads off a cheap stamped cog
*clockwise* on a cheap Normandy fw hub when accelerating hard from a light.

On Thu, Dec 22, 2022 at 7:47 AM Jingy  wrote:

> Brian wrote  < threading... aren't traditional cup/cone bottom bracket lockrings the same
> threading (for the most part) and is there any value in using one of those
> for extra security or is the same direction threading pretty much render
> them useless vs. the force that may be applied with firm backpedaling?
> This is more a curiosity whether anyone has had success or failure
> attempting this...>>
>
> Yes, an english thread BB lockring will fit the freewheel hub threads(not
> old weird french thread obviously) and can be used for extra security
> against the cog loosening up from backpedaling. I used this setup on a
> fixed gear commuter for a number of years. It may not be enough for tricky
> skids and other nonsense those fixie kids are into these days, but for
> normal riding it is quite helpful.
>
> Jim in Mpls
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Re: [RBW] Re: Will's Roadini SS

[Wesley]

Patrick, I think you've talked about having a Redline Monocog 29er... that 
was my more MTB-type single speed, too. I made it into an all-rounder by 
drilling and tapping the frame to mount rack and fenders, and I converted 
it to a manual 3-speed with three cog/chainring combinations that all added 
up to the same number of teeth. This was the bike that I built wheels for 
using unicycle rims for extra wideness. Finally, I put on Albatross bars 
and a CETMA front rack. In that configuration, I toured it from Fairbanks 
to Juneau, Alaska after I finished college at the University of Alaska 
Fairbanks. It was a very nice ride and I regret that I gave it away when I 
moved overseas for a few years.
-Wes

On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 9:48:43 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I'd like to hear about and see photos of single-speeded or fix-ified 
> mountain bikes set up as all rounders. One of the nicest single 
> speeds/fixeds I owned, and one of the very few discarded bikes I wish I'd 
> kept (the others are largely ss or fixed too) was that very early '90s 
> Diamond Back Axis Team with TA Pro 5 Vis crank with 42 t ring on long 
> spindle pulling a 17t fixed cog for a 67" gear; Flite saddle and Noodles at 
> the perfect reach and height on a 10 cm Dirt Drop stem. The high bb let me 
> pedal at speed around corners and the handling, tho' a bit sedate by brisk 
> road bike standards, was entirely and wholly neutral and seamless and 
> pleasant. 
>
> I've head of using a bb lockring as a lockring for a fixed cog, but I've 
> never bothered with one. I'll be interested in hearing if they add any 
> security.
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 21, 2022 at 9:13 AM Coal Bee Rye Anne  
> wrote:
>
> > To Patrick's note on using fixed cogs on standard freewheel threading... 
> aren't traditional cup/cone bottom bracket lockrings the same threading 
> (for the most part) and is there any value in using one of those for extra 
> security or is the same > direction threading pretty much render them 
> useless vs. the force that may be applied with firm backpedaling?  This is 
> more a curiosity whether anyone has had success or failure attempting 
> this... 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Will's Roadini SS

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

I've had thoughts of single speeding my Clem H and even had a Paul Melvin 
and SS cassette cog in reserve for when the time came.  That was until the 
Melvin was called upon for temporary use on an unrelated project only to 
end up getting mangled when a stick jammed into the rear wheel breaking 
spokes bending the main arm of the Melvin (fortunately Paul says they could 
supply replacement parts that may not be listed for sale on the site so 
just need to call to order when ready to put it the Melvin back in 
service.)  

I know others have single speeded their Clem's with WI Eno Eccentric hubs 
like Will did for his Roadini but I also just caught up with a recent VO 
newsletter highlighting projects to come in the new year and saw they have 
an eccentric BB coming for 68mm and 73mm shells.  It says for Hollowtech 
spindles and I do not currently have any Hollowtech cranks but will be 
curious to see what kind of total investment it may turn out to be compared 
to an ENO wheel to achieve a similar overall conversion.
https://velo-orange.com/blogs/favoritewriteups/vos-2022-year-in-review-and-a-peek-into-2023

Also worth noting is the forthcoming VO Rando frame with modular dropouts 
allowing either vertical or track end attachments.  They do not yet specify 
rear hub spacing but I'm guessing 130mm is likely.

On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 12:48:43 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I'd like to hear about and see photos of single-speeded or fix-ified 
> mountain bikes set up as all rounders. One of the nicest single 
> speeds/fixeds I owned, and one of the very few discarded bikes I wish I'd 
> kept (the others are largely ss or fixed too) was that very early '90s 
> Diamond Back Axis Team with TA Pro 5 Vis crank with 42 t ring on long 
> spindle pulling a 17t fixed cog for a 67" gear; Flite saddle and Noodles at 
> the perfect reach and height on a 10 cm Dirt Drop stem. The high bb let me 
> pedal at speed around corners and the handling, tho' a bit sedate by brisk 
> road bike standards, was entirely and wholly neutral and seamless and 
> pleasant. 
>
> I've head of using a bb lockring as a lockring for a fixed cog, but I've 
> never bothered with one. I'll be interested in hearing if they add any 
> security.
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 21, 2022 at 9:13 AM Coal Bee Rye Anne  
> wrote:
>
> > To Patrick's note on using fixed cogs on standard freewheel threading... 
> aren't traditional cup/cone bottom bracket lockrings the same threading 
> (for the most part) and is there any value in using one of those for extra 
> security or is the same > direction threading pretty much render them 
> useless vs. the force that may be applied with firm backpedaling?  This is 
> more a curiosity whether anyone has had success or failure attempting 
> this... 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Will's Roadini SS

[Patrick Moore]

I'd like to hear about and see photos of single-speeded or fix-ified
mountain bikes set up as all rounders. One of the nicest single
speeds/fixeds I owned, and one of the very few discarded bikes I wish I'd
kept (the others are largely ss or fixed too) was that very early '90s
Diamond Back Axis Team with TA Pro 5 Vis crank with 42 t ring on long
spindle pulling a 17t fixed cog for a 67" gear; Flite saddle and Noodles at
the perfect reach and height on a 10 cm Dirt Drop stem. The high bb let me
pedal at speed around corners and the handling, tho' a bit sedate by brisk
road bike standards, was entirely and wholly neutral and seamless and
pleasant.

I've head of using a bb lockring as a lockring for a fixed cog, but I've
never bothered with one. I'll be interested in hearing if they add any
security.


On Wed, Dec 21, 2022 at 9:13 AM Coal Bee Rye Anne <
lionsrugbyalu...@gmail.com> wrote:

> To Patrick's note on using fixed cogs on standard freewheel threading...
aren't traditional cup/cone bottom bracket lockrings the same threading
(for the most part) and is there any value in using one of those for extra
security or is the same > direction threading pretty much render them
useless vs. the force that may be applied with firm backpedaling?  This is
more a curiosity whether anyone has had success or failure attempting
this...

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Re: [RBW] Re: Will's Roadini SS

[Patrick Moore]

Ryan: it's perfectly safe to ride with a fixed cog screwed to a freewheel
hub; just don't use backpressure, or don't use it very hard. I rode
thousands of miles like this with no lockring.

But you can put Loctite on the threads too. Before I learned that red
Loctite requires heat to break the bond, I resorted to my bench vise to
remove a high-quality -- Dura Ace -- track cog that I'd Loctited onto an
ENO hub with Red, using the rim as the lever. I applied all my strength but
couldn't budge it; in fact, I shattered the cog int 3 pieces and put tiny
little waves into the ENO threads (it was still usable, thank God). So a
bit of red Loctite would be a practically as secure as a reverse-threaded
lockring.

On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 10:30 AM Ryan  wrote:

> And I'd probably need a new wheel; my  Peugeot has a 126 OLN Campy 36-hole
> Record hub.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Will's Roadini SS

[Patrick Moore]

I prefer fixed over ss for road riding, even though I am now down to a
single fixed gear bike. While I do love my AM (close-sh ratio: 72" 65" 56")
IGH -- I ride it like a ss with 3 ranges -- I do miss doing my mostly
flatland recreational grocery rides -- 11 to 20 loaded miles -- on a fixed
gear, and in fact have a sub-120 mm fixed/free hub waiting to be built into
an alternative wheel for this bike (2020 Matthews #2). With wingnuts and a
17/19 Dingle cog I should be able to handle headwinds with panniers.

OTOH, I do prefer ss for dirt riding; tried fixed off road with 175 mm
cranks and really hated downhills and tail winds without being able to
coast. I think I had the bike geared at about 64" per the 63xc.com site.
Switched to 64" ss and 170s with great relief. My current Monocog 29er is
geared at 65" and with 71mm tires (back to 175s tho') it's great for
flatland sandy trails.

On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 10:11 AM JohnS  wrote:

> ... . How do people feel about SS vs. fixed? Am I missing something by not
> riding SS some of the time?
>
> Thanks,
> JohnS
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Will's Roadini SS

[JohnS]

On my Quickbeam there is a fixed 18 cog that I use all the time and on the 
other side is a fixed 16 that I never use. So as long as I can get it off 
the hub, I'll try one of the SS freewheels that I have. Should be able to 
work on it over the Christmas break. 

I agree Philip, changing tires, swapping bars, adding/removing 
fenders/racks all make a bike seem like new.

On the upside of fixed gear riding, I can do a very good track stand, being 
able to push forward or backward just makes it so much easier. I don't even 
try on my multi-geared bikes any more.

Thanks,
JohnS
On Saturday, December 17, 2022 at 2:14:52 PM UTC-5 Philip Williamson wrote:

> I’m a big fan of riding fixed. It just feels good to me, but I’m not an 
> evangelist: “more for me, I guess!” I like having a second gear option (two 
> rings, dingle cog), but almost never use the low gear. 
>
> Will’s Roadini is like a Golden Age tribute bike. I love it. Now I kinda 
> want one, but I’ll go swap tires around on the bikes I’ve got, instead. 
>
> Philip
> Sonoma County, Calif
>
> On Sat, Dec 17, 2022 at 11:02 AM Berkeleyan  wrote:
>
>> It's a different ride, and a fun ride, to have a single speed. I have a 
>> Dos Eno on my QuickBeam, but still stay primarily on the 15 tooth sprocket. 
>> The 17 comes into play for East Bay hills, but I rode (with camping gear) 
>> in the 15 from Berkeley to the Entmoot in Marin via San Francisco and 
>> Sausalito/Tiburon, and it was delightful. With no levers to move, you focus 
>> on building momentum, and save strength for hills.
>>
>> - Andrew, Berkeley
>>
>> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 7:57:35 AM UTC-8 Ryan wrote:
>>
>>> Have to say...I like that bike a lot. Very clean and elegant
>>>
>>> And Will's post : 
>>> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news/singlespeed-roadini?mc_cid=1ea8aef045_eid=0074b52ae1
>>>  
>>> nails what I like about single-speeds; for some years now my SS PX-10 has 
>>> been a fave. Apologies to Rivendell but riding that old Peugeot IS 
>>> addictive.  I am curious to see the landing of the Roaduno in 2023
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Will's Roadini SS

[Philip Williamson]

I’m a big fan of riding fixed. It just feels good to me, but I’m not an
evangelist: “more for me, I guess!” I like having a second gear option (two
rings, dingle cog), but almost never use the low gear.

Will’s Roadini is like a Golden Age tribute bike. I love it. Now I kinda
want one, but I’ll go swap tires around on the bikes I’ve got, instead.

Philip
Sonoma County, Calif

On Sat, Dec 17, 2022 at 11:02 AM Berkeleyan  wrote:

> It's a different ride, and a fun ride, to have a single speed. I have a
> Dos Eno on my QuickBeam, but still stay primarily on the 15 tooth sprocket.
> The 17 comes into play for East Bay hills, but I rode (with camping gear)
> in the 15 from Berkeley to the Entmoot in Marin via San Francisco and
> Sausalito/Tiburon, and it was delightful. With no levers to move, you focus
> on building momentum, and save strength for hills.
>
> - Andrew, Berkeley
>
> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 7:57:35 AM UTC-8 Ryan wrote:
>
>> Have to say...I like that bike a lot. Very clean and elegant
>>
>> And Will's post :
>> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news/singlespeed-roadini?mc_cid=1ea8aef045_eid=0074b52ae1
>> nails what I like about single-speeds; for some years now my SS PX-10 has
>> been a fave. Apologies to Rivendell but riding that old Peugeot IS
>> addictive.  I am curious to see the landing of the Roaduno in 2023
>>
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