Re: [RBW] There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

[tc]

I’ve also read where some folks keep a small piece of rigid foam in their bike 
bag to wedge between tire and fender to equalize the “pressure” exerted on the 
fender by the 1Up bar. Quotes around “pressure” because you don’t need that 
much...certainly not enough to damage a fender. Nice idea, but I never had to 
use it. 

Tom “who spells moot like mute, and may his English teacher mother forgive him 
- again”

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Re: [RBW] There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

[Howard Hatten]

I use a 3 place 1 up and I wouldn’t worry about the weight capacity. It’s very 
stout. I carry an ebike, Cheviot, and an Atlantis, all with fenders. The 
Cheviot is my only bike with metal fenders. I adjusted that foam fender piece 
so it meets the fender just above the fender stay. I’ve had no problems. The 
front wheel isn’t in play so no foam needed. 
I was previously using a Saris and I liked it but I changed to the 1 up because 
I didn’t like moving the wheel troughs around to adjust for different bikes. 
The 1 up also let’s me adjust to the number of bikes I’ll be carrying. 

Howard
Livonia Mi. 

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Re: [RBW] There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

[masmojo]

I am not totally familiar with the 1up system, but speaking about physics, 
hitch mounts and multi-bike racks in general.

Theoretically, if capacity is 4, 50lb bikes then max load is 200lbs. The 
problem with one bike over 50lbs would likely be where it's located on the 
rack. Place the heaviest bike(s) in closer to the hitch/mounting point and then 
then progressively lighter bikes, the last bike should be the lightest. Placing 
them in the opposite order would likely cause problems regardless of individual 
or total weight. 
Another solution would be remove the battery from the Ebike while transporting, 
that's easily 10 pounds.
Honestly, doing both is probably a good idea.

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Re: [RBW] There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

[tc]

Um...well, *Sparky *should be able to whir there on it's own, or, it can go 
on a car top rack, so you really only need a 3-bike hitch mount rack!  Hey, 
thinkin' outside the box here, only because I want you to experience the 
relative nirvana that is the 1Up system.  Do you take 4 bikes more often 
than 1, 2, or 3?  And how often does Sparky come along when you use a rack?

Sounds like it's a mute point for you now, but for others reading, many 
people have tried and liked the 1Up fender cushions, so I guess it's 
personal taste.  I suppose if you had really weak fender struts, or struts 
that aren't tightened properly, that might be a problem.  But I know 
first-hand that SKS fenders and struts are fine with the fender cushions 
... and they're probably the 'weakest', compared to Honjo or VO or Berthoud 
fender struts.

Tom

On Wednesday, January 1, 2020 at 11:25:52 AM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding 
Ding! wrote:

> Well, ok, but is the fender cushion a great idea? I’d rather not have the 
> bar press on my fenders at all. Also, I need a 4 bike rack, and while 1 Up 
> can make that possible, it has 50 lb weight restrictions per bike. I think 
> the ebike is more than 50 but less than Saris’ 60 lb limit. 1 Up says if 
> one bike is over 50, you can’t use more than one add-on - therefore, 3 
> bikes on the rack. 
>
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Re: [RBW] There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Well, ok, but is the fender cushion a great idea? I’d rather not have the bar 
press on my fenders at all. Also, I need a 4 bike rack, and while 1 Up can make 
that possible, it has 50 lb weight restrictions per bike. I think the ebike is 
more than 50 but less than Saris’ 60 lb limit. 1 Up says if one bike is over 
50, you can’t use more than one add-on - therefore, 3 bikes on the rack. 

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Re: [RBW] There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

[tc]

Leah, 
1up makes a “Fender Cushion”, which is a piece of cylindrical foam, wrapped in 
a soft material which attaches with Velcro. The Fender Cushion wraps around the 
little bars that ordinarily press into your tire.   Works fine, though you 
could make these things yourself with foam pipe insulation for a fraction of 
the $13 they charge. 

Tom 

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Re: [RBW] There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

[Leah Peterson]

I think the reason I passed on that rack was fender compatibility... Am I wrong 
about that?

Sent from my iPad

> On Dec 31, 2019, at 9:22 PM, tc  wrote:
> 
> 
> Or, just go ahead and get a 1up hitch rack :)  It's made in the USA, is 
> bombproof, only weighs 28 lbs, is the easiest of all racks to install and 
> load/unload, handles up to 54" wheelbase and tires up to 3.1" wide (and with 
> add-on, wider).  And, you can get a single now, and add-on carriers (up to 2 
> more) later if needed.
> 
> Happy New Year! (Eastern Time here),
> Tom
> 
> 
>> On Tuesday, December 31, 2019 at 6:59:05 PM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>> I hope you get it all squared away, Mas. 
>> 
>> I am sitting in an airport, waiting to leave snow country and land in 
>> Nevada, where my Clem sits parked at home. It occurs to me I ought to update 
>> the thread to report back what I recently discovered re: my Saris bike rack. 
>> The new Clems don’t have a listed wheelbase, and I hadn’t thought a thing 
>> about it until I tried to put it on my Saris Freedom bike rack. It’s too 
>> long. 
>> 
>> If your bike’s wheelbase is over 48 inches (and if the correct measuring is 
>> hub to hub, it is) then you need to buy a $99 longer bar to haul your bike. 
>> The bike somehow fits on my old Hollywood 2 bike rack. I think this is worth 
>> considering if you want to bring your bike on public transportation or drive 
>> it somewhere and ride it. I road trip up north every summer and will 
>> absolutely have to replace the bar if I want to take my Clem. I never 
>> considered my bike could be too long for my rack; I’m supposing plenty of 
>> other folks might not have, either. 
>> 
>> So, Happy New Year. You’re getting a new rack!
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Re: [RBW] There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

[tc]

Or, just go ahead and get a 1up 
 hitch 
rack :)  It's made in the USA, is bombproof, only weighs 28 lbs, is the 
easiest of all racks to install and load/unload, handles up to 54" 
wheelbase and tires up to 3.1" wide (and with add-on, wider).  And, you can 
get a single now, and add-on carriers (up to 2 more) later if needed.

Happy New Year! (Eastern Time here),
Tom


On Tuesday, December 31, 2019 at 6:59:05 PM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> I hope you get it all squared away, Mas. 
>
> I am sitting in an airport, waiting to leave snow country and land in 
> Nevada, where my Clem sits parked at home. It occurs to me I ought to 
> update the thread to report back what I recently discovered re: my Saris 
> bike rack. The new Clems don’t have a listed wheelbase, and I hadn’t 
> thought a thing about it until I tried to put it on my Saris Freedom bike 
> rack. It’s too long. 
>
> If your bike’s wheelbase is over 48 inches (and if the correct measuring 
> is hub to hub, it is) then you need to buy a $99 longer bar to haul your 
> bike. The bike somehow fits on my old Hollywood 2 bike rack. I think this 
> is worth considering if you want to bring your bike on public 
> transportation or drive it somewhere and ride it. I road trip up north 
> every summer and will absolutely have to replace the bar if I want to take 
> my Clem. I never considered my bike could be too long for my rack; I’m 
> supposing plenty of other folks might not have, either. 
>
> So, Happy New Year. You’re getting a new rack! 

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Re: [RBW] There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

I hope you get it all squared away, Mas. 

I am sitting in an airport, waiting to leave snow country and land in Nevada, 
where my Clem sits parked at home. It occurs to me I ought to update the thread 
to report back what I recently discovered re: my Saris bike rack. The new Clems 
don’t have a listed wheelbase, and I hadn’t thought a thing about it until I 
tried to put it on my Saris Freedom bike rack. It’s too long. 

If your bike’s wheelbase is over 48 inches (and if the correct measuring is hub 
to hub, it is) then you need to buy a $99 longer bar to haul your bike. The 
bike somehow fits on my old Hollywood 2 bike rack. I think this is worth 
considering if you want to bring your bike on public transportation or drive it 
somewhere and ride it. I road trip up north every summer and will absolutely 
have to replace the bar if I want to take my Clem. I never considered my bike 
could be too long for my rack; I’m supposing plenty of other folks might not 
have, either. 

So, Happy New Year. You’re getting a new rack! 

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Re: [RBW] There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

[masmojo]

I don't remember who posted the link to the new PDW Beast fenders, but I'd been 
contemplating fenders for my Clementine and as soon as I  saw them I knew they 
were the hot ticket for me. Ordered them & they came a few days ago. Tried to 
mount them up on Sunday, but I  was promptly aware that my brake situation (low 
profile XTR cantilevers) wasn't going to work! :-(

What to do!?

I briefly considered V brakes,  but that would involve switching levers as well 
and I dig my levers so that left me with a dilemma.

I got some Paul MiniMotos a while back in a trade, they won't really work on 
the Clementine either, but as chance would have it I am on the verge of a major 
refresh of my Atlantis; it currently has Paul touring Canti's on it and I 
believe those will be fine on the Clementine. So I will rotate those on the 
Clementine & put the MiniMoto's on the Atlantis. If this works as planned I'll 
be quite chuffed as it will effectively be an upgrade on all fronts. 

Hopefully, a positive report to follow. 

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Re: [RBW] There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

[JAS]

Oh, boy, those wheel lights are really stepping up the game!  Very cool, clever 
and creative.

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Re: [RBW] There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

[Roberta]

AWSOME!  

The extra twinkly lights make up for lack of snow.  

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> [image: IMG_0225.JPG]
>
>
>
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Re: [RBW] There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

[Leah Peterson]

Laing, I’m blown away. It’s so perfect and you are so creative. Since it was a 
photo only, I figured you had seen this image somewhere online and reposted. 
But it’s you! And your Clementine! 

Sent from my iPad

> On Dec 10, 2019, at 6:31 AM, lconley  wrote:
> 
> 
> My Clementine.
> Battery powered lights - battery packs for the wheels are zip-tied to the 
> spokes near the hubs.
> 
> Laing
> Delray Beach, FL
> 
> 
>> On Tuesday, December 10, 2019 at 9:13:09 AM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>> Whose Clem is this? How in the world did he string those lights so 
>> beautifully? I cannot figure out his wheels. I am slow clapping over here...
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Re: [RBW] There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

[masmojo]

I think I need MORE lights

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Re: [RBW] There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

[lconley]

My Clementine.
Battery powered lights - battery packs for the wheels are zip-tied to the 
spokes near the hubs.

Laing
Delray Beach, FL


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> Whose Clem is this? How in the world did he string those lights so 
> beautifully? I cannot figure out his wheels. I am slow clapping over here...

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Re: [RBW] There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

[Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles]

Slow clap, indeed 

I bow in awe

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> Whose Clem is this? How in the world did he string those lights so 
> beautifully? I cannot figure out his wheels. I am slow clapping over here...

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Re: [RBW] There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Whose Clem is this? How in the world did he string those lights so beautifully? 
I cannot figure out his wheels. I am slow clapping over here...

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Re: [RBW] There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

[Joe Bernard]

I would totally rock the sequins! Shyly, of course 

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Re: [RBW] There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

May all the Clems (and other rivbikes) be lit up for the season! Your bikes 
look fantastic. This is just the most fun ever. I wish we were all neighbors 
and had hot chocolate and would then go on parade. In reversible sequin 
Christmas outfits (Instagram folks, you know what I’m saying). 

I mean, a girl can dream.

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Re: [RBW] There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

[Joe Bernard]

Clems for Christmas!!! 

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Re: [RBW] There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

[Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles]

An inspiration to many 
殺.https://www.instagram.com/p/BsOzHT0lnUK/?igshid=1mjsw2v76skn4


(Video of my Holiday Clementine)

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Re: [RBW] There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

[Leah Peterson]

I could not be happier  Looks fantastic, and your paint won’t be scuffed. 
Bravo!!

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> Ok, Leah, you've inspired me.
> Lights for the Holidaze!
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Re: [RBW] There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

[masmojo]

Ok, Leah, you've inspired me.
Lights for the Holidaze!
https://photos.app.goo.gl/hpHBSJd8JQPG9hSf9

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Re: [RBW] There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

[Roberta]

LOVE IT!

You've achieved bike sartorial elegance!  It looks so put together - the 
black of the saddle, grips AND the Randi Jo bag. Love the copper bits, 
it's additional jewelry.

Roberta

On Friday, December 6, 2019 at 12:26:04 PM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Late yesterday a snazzy black and copper Brooks arrived. 
>
> I just came in from swapping saddles. I adore my previous Select and will 
> save it for the future Cheviot. But for this stubborn Clem, I think the 
> black Special really is just the ticket. I’m looking forward to it fading 
> and wearing in a bit, and then it will be *really* gorgeous. 
>
> It’s been a journey. I tried my old B68. Nah. Then I tried the Select, but 
> the color, stunning on my other bikes was wrong on the Clem. Next, I 
> ordered a royal blue Brooks, in keeping with 50 Shades of Blue theme, and 
> it looked good but the bike was asking for something else. Black and copper 
> wins. I asked #theclemrider, whose taste is impeccable, and with zero 
> hesitation, he said the black. 
>
> Before: 

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Re: [RBW] There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

[Joe Bernard]

Yes, this definitely works. It still has a "shades" vibe as the lighter blue 
frame fades down to the darker blue bags; then black grips, saddle and tires. 
It's perfect!

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Re: [RBW] There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

[DHans]

Yeah, the black just looks better. And I’m a fan of copper in general and 
especially with the black leather. Copper is rugged looking in a working person 
way with just enough regality to be looked upon with admiration. 
Doug

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Re: [RBW] There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

[masmojo]

TRUTH!

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Re: [RBW] There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

[Steve Palincsar]

Try these:

 * https://www.instagram.com/jpweigle/
 * https://www.instagram.com/reneherse/
 * https://www.instagram.com/bikequarterly/

I'm not on Instagram.  I check these daily.

On 12/4/19 11:00 AM, masmojo wrote:

Yeah? I  confess I don't know anything about it.



I was on Facebook for a while,  but I had to get off of it. It took too much 
time to set idiot's who believe every ridiculous conspiracy that comes across 
their feed straight. 



Image result for someone is wrong on the internet"



I did mean to comment about Leah succumbing to Clems masculinity; I  have come 
across this before. Some bikes build easily and the direction is clear; others 
what to go in their own direction, their personality refuses to go the way you 
intend. Those bikes with their own unique personality generally end up being my 
favorites.


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Re: [RBW] There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

[masmojo]

Yeah? I  confess I don't know anything about it.
I was on Facebook for a while,  but I had to get off of it. It took too much 
time to set idiot's who believe every ridiculous conspiracy that comes across 
their feed straight. 
I did mean to comment about Leah succumbing to Clems masculinity; I  have come 
across this before. Some bikes build easily and the direction is clear; others 
what to go in their own direction, their personality refuses to go the way you 
intend. Those bikes with their own unique personality generally end up being my 
favorites. 

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Re: [RBW] There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

[Leah Peterson]

Come on in, Mas, the Instagram water is fine. It’s a fun medium because it 
doesn’t have all the memes and forwards you find elsewhere. You do have to be a 
member to view my content, because my account is locked. (There’s enough 
personal information on it that I decided to lock it.) 

I’ve been creating a lot of goofy bike videos over there, and even if you don’t 
think I’m very funny you would get to see a lot of Rivbikes.  

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> Leah writing on Instagram!?
> That's almost tempting enough to lure me back into the social media quagmire.
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Re: [RBW] There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

[Steve Palincsar]

You can read IG without being a member, never mind posting.

On 12/4/19 10:43 AM, masmojo wrote:

Leah writing on Instagram!?
That's almost tempting enough to lure me back into the social media quagmire.


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Re: [RBW] There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

[masmojo]

Leah writing on Instagram!?
That's almost tempting enough to lure me back into the social media quagmire.

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Re: [RBW] There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

[Joe Bernard]

The Instagram videos are the BEST. Our Leah was definitely in Drama in high 
school 

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Re: [RBW] There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

[George Schick]

"...A career as a writer may kill that joyful writing she does with such 
ease..."
Yes, indeed.  Kinda reminds me of the story about George Gershwin who 
supposedly asked for lessons from the likes of French composer Maurice 
Ravel, who (somewhat afraid that learning to compose in that classical 
style would ruin Gershwin's natural innovative talent in the more modern, 
progressive style) was said to have remarked, "Why should you be a 
second-rate Ravel when you can be a first-rate Gershwin?"


On Tuesday, December 3, 2019 at 8:15:46 AM UTC-6, Abcyclehank wrote:
>
> Leah is a writer, mother, wife, semi-retired nurse, Riv-riding 
> Extrodinaire;  she writes for us in a way that makes all lovers of words, 
> including this English teaching retiree, jealous but appreciative and 
> thankful for her sharing.
> A career as a writer may kill that joyful writing she does with such ease 
> from our perspective.  
> As funny as her videos and cooking videos are she could thrive as a 
> Blogger, Vlogger, or any other type of word video combination.
> Regardless Leah just keep being you and blessing us on this list with your 
> uniqueness.
>
> Ryan Hankinson
> West Michigan
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Re: [RBW] There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

[Leah Peterson]

Ryan, woah, wait a minute. I object to the word “semi-retired” - I’m still in 
my 30s! 藍藍藍

Thanks for the rest of your kind words! It’s been fun screwing off with you on 
Instagram. And yes, I’ll keep joyfully writing here, as long as you’ll have me.
Leah

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> Leah is a writer, mother, wife, semi-retired nurse, Riv-riding Extrodinaire; 
>  she writes for us in a way that makes all lovers of words, including this 
> English teaching retiree, jealous but appreciative and thankful for her 
> sharing.
> A career as a writer may kill that joyful writing she does with such ease 
> from our perspective.  
> As funny as her videos and cooking videos are she could thrive as a Blogger, 
> Vlogger, or any other type of word video combination.
> Regardless Leah just keep being you and blessing us on this list with your 
> uniqueness.
> 
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Re: [RBW] There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

[Leah Peterson]

Thanks, George, that’s kind. ❤️ 

No one was more disappointed in me than my high school English teacher when I 
arrived at my university and checked the box “nursing major.” 

I do enjoy writing, and maybe I should have found a way to get paid for it, but 
nursing has been really rewarding, too. I’ve been there for a lot of people’s 
worst days, held a lot of hands, and stopped a lot of bleeding. And laughed - 
you can laugh with people in the most unlikely of circumstances. Nursing was 
terribly satisfying, unbelievably difficult and, man, it was fun.

I don’t have any qualifications on paper for a writing job now, so I’ll just do 
amateur work for free about the Clems in our lives. I plan to get a Cheviot 
after the redesign, so I’m sure I’ll have a fair amount to say about that bike 
in the near future, too. 


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> 
> Yeah, I was thinking much the same thing.  Leah, have you ever considered a 
> career as a writer?
> 
> 
>> On Monday, December 2, 2019 at 10:26:08 PM UTC-6, Joe Bernard wrote:
>> This is spectacular. I can't even pick out a sentence and comment on it, 
>> it's too perfect a thing all of a piece without extrapolation or rumination. 
>> To quote a good friend, I yeild to it 
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Re: [RBW] There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

['Abcyclehank' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Leah is a writer, mother, wife, semi-retired nurse, Riv-riding Extrodinaire;  
she writes for us in a way that makes all lovers of words, including this 
English teaching retiree, jealous but appreciative and thankful for her sharing.
A career as a writer may kill that joyful writing she does with such ease from 
our perspective.  
As funny as her videos and cooking videos are she could thrive as a Blogger, 
Vlogger, or any other type of word video combination.
Regardless Leah just keep being you and blessing us on this list with your 
uniqueness.

Ryan Hankinson
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Re: [RBW] There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

[George Schick]

Yeah, I was thinking much the same thing.  Leah, have you ever considered a 
career as a writer?


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> This is spectacular. I can't even pick out a sentence and comment on it, 
> it's too perfect a thing all of a piece without extrapolation or 
> rumination. To quote a good friend, I yeild to it 

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Re: [RBW] There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

[Leah Peterson]

Ian, it fits! I’m not sure it didn’t fit me before;  I just like those bars 
high and close. I don’t want to reach out for my bars, and I want NO weight on 
my hands. The bike fits but it’s long, and that also takes acclimation. It’s 
maxed out on my Saris rack. Not sure I would dare make it work for my 
cross-country trip in the summer. We’ll see.

Thank you (and to Joe) for the compliments about my review. Sadly, Riv doesn’t 
read the list so they won’t know how velvety their Clem really is, nor will 
they know how wrong they were when they named the color “RBW blue”. 

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> On Dec 2, 2019, at 8:43 PM, Ian A  wrote:
> 
> So, how does it fit you now, Leah? Was a stem swap all it needed in the end?
> 
> Joe is right, the last piece of prose was most elegant. Riv HQ should get a 
> copy of it.
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Re: [RBW] There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

[Ian A]

So, how does it fit you now, Leah? Was a stem swap all it needed in the end?

Joe is right, the last piece of prose was most elegant. Riv HQ should get a 
copy of it.

IanA

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Re: [RBW] There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

[Joe Bernard]

Or yield. Sheesh! 臘

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Re: [RBW] There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

[Joe Bernard]

This is spectacular. I can't even pick out a sentence and comment on it, it's 
too perfect a thing all of a piece without extrapolation or rumination. To 
quote a good friend, I yeild to it 

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Re: [RBW] There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Today Ryan’s grips arrived and as fate would have it, only one of the grips 
fit. Also, the brown just didn’t look as good as the black on the Clem and 
honestly, I am done fighting it. This bike WANTS to have black, and though I’m 
eternally a fan of rich, warm, honey tones I’m done arguing with it. This bike 
is MALE. I was going to call it a Clementine but it’s a Clem. It’s some heroic 
thing whisking me away to places in its capable, comfortable way. It’s 
agreeable but it doesn’t want to be bossed. So, it’s getting a black saddle 
with copper rivets and we’ll see how it takes to THAT. 

I got to do my first commute with the new stem and fenders today. How can I use 
words for this? The ride is...velvety. Yes, that’s the word. Smooth and lovely 
and quiet. Velvety and also...directed. It’s easy to imagine with those 
rippled, wavy fenders that the Clem is a ship set sail; it’s course is marked 
and it won’t be deterred. This Clem has places to take you; you want to keep 
pedaling; slowing and waiting up for the boys was unnatural. “Let’s go, I can 
get you there.”  When you get your rhythm on this bike you never want to use 
your brakes again. My Clem is not a tame thing; it has its own opinions and 
it’s a bit of an enigma. I’m still learning to trust it. I go slower down the 
hills and don’t turn corners are tightly as I normally do. That will come in 
time. Folks were asking about climbing hills on these new Rivs. I don’t have 
any trouble standing and mashing up the hill home, and I only hang onto the 
grips. I feel like I sit up higher on this bike. I feel like its wheels are 
bigger - they aren’t. Shifting is nearly flawless but I did manage to mess that 
up severely in a one-sided pretend race uphill with a roadie yesterday. (That’s 
another story.) I ended up with chain suck bad enough that I did the walk of 
shame for a long time before I managed to wrestle that chain free. But, if you 
don’t count that, the bike is flawless! 

I wish you all a blue-green-shot-through-with-glimmer-like-sunlight-on-seawater 
Clem. Maybe yours would let you have the honey and copper saddle you prefer. 
Mine is too strong-willed for that.
Leah

  

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Re: [RBW] There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

[DHans]

When I had a bike with Bosco Bars I had to torque the stem bar connection 
pretty tight not to get slippage when I stood up to pedal if I was gripping 
near the end of the bars. There is so much leverage with that bar. On a 
future Clem build I would seriously consider the Bullmoose stem combo bar.
Doug

On Monday, December 2, 2019 at 10:38:24 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> One day I must try one. It would be nice to have a bike that is 
> comfortable for casual rides (I realize that they are comfortable for more 
> than that, but this is the niche I'd want it for, as well as the 
> following), taking the dog for a run, hauling groceries, and with knobby 
> tires for riding bosque trails, and for more technical stuff than I feel 
> comfortable with using drop bars (I realize too that the Susie and Gus and 
> so forth are not designed for technical stuff, but an upright position will 
> be better than inclined over narrow -- and I like narrow and hate wide -- 
> drop bars). Although I prefer a road bike position for most on and off 
> pavement riding, there are times when a road position just isn't the most 
> suitable one.
>
> In fact, what made me think of Clems and kin was our recent snow. I'd like 
> a bike I can ride in the stuff on the rare occasions we get enough of it to 
> make a difference. No bike I own is suitable -- last one was that '96 
> Bontrager Race Lite, and that had too high a bb and felt awkwardly "tippy."
>
> On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 8:28 AM Joe Bernard  > wrote:
>
>> Yes, the very long cockpits on these bikes leaves plenty of room for 
>> popping up and forward to stand. In fact - contrary to the stuff I said 
>> about bars - I'm fairly certain Leah does her 'standing arms workout' thing 
>> with hands at the ends of the Boscos. 
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Re: [RBW] There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

[Leah Peterson]

David, one is my happy, polite bell. “It’s a great day in the neighborhood!” 
The other is my HELLO CAN YOU HEAR ME bell. Used for headphone-wearers on the 
path and to call kids to me from long distances.

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> On Dec 2, 2019, at 9:35 AM, David Hays <23writ...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I love the two bells!
> 
> 
>> On Dec 2, 2019, at 12:22 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, Joe (somehow) knows and is correct - I never grab any part of the bars 
>> but the grips. There’s no real estate left! Also, I *need* all this stuff.
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>>> Yes, the very long cockpits on these bikes leaves plenty of room for 
>>> popping up and forward to stand. In fact - contrary to the stuff I said 
>>> about bars - I'm fairly certain Leah does her 'standing arms workout' thing 
>>> with hands at the ends of the Boscos. 
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Re: [RBW] There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

[Joe Bernard]

Your Basket Rack needs a basket!

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Re: [RBW] There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

[David Hays]

I love the two bells!


> On Dec 2, 2019, at 12:22 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
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>> On Dec 2, 2019, at 7:28 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, the very long cockpits on these bikes leaves plenty of room for 
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>> with hands at the ends of the Boscos. 
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Re: [RBW] There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

[Patrick Moore]

One day I must try one. It would be nice to have a bike that is comfortable
for casual rides (I realize that they are comfortable for more than that,
but this is the niche I'd want it for, as well as the following), taking
the dog for a run, hauling groceries, and with knobby tires for riding
bosque trails, and for more technical stuff than I feel comfortable with
using drop bars (I realize too that the Susie and Gus and so forth are not
designed for technical stuff, but an upright position will be better than
inclined over narrow -- and I like narrow and hate wide -- drop bars).
Although I prefer a road bike position for most on and off pavement riding,
there are times when a road position just isn't the most suitable one.

In fact, what made me think of Clems and kin was our recent snow. I'd like
a bike I can ride in the stuff on the rare occasions we get enough of it to
make a difference. No bike I own is suitable -- last one was that '96
Bontrager Race Lite, and that had too high a bb and felt awkwardly "tippy."

On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 8:28 AM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Yes, the very long cockpits on these bikes leaves plenty of room for
> popping up and forward to stand. In fact - contrary to the stuff I said
> about bars - I'm fairly certain Leah does her 'standing arms workout' thing
> with hands at the ends of the Boscos.
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Re: [RBW] There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

[Joe Bernard]

Yes, the very long cockpits on these bikes leaves plenty of room for popping up 
and forward to stand. In fact - contrary to the stuff I said about bars - I'm 
fairly certain Leah does her 'standing arms workout' thing with hands at the 
ends of the Boscos. 

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Re: [RBW] There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

[Patrick Moore]

Again, good to know, and thanks. So a long top tube (I guess?) and bars
designed for forward as well as rearward hand positions are some of the
design features.

On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 2:41 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Patrick, my 'standing and grinding' experience on Clems is limited by my
> arthritic wrist, but I did a lot of it on a demo 52 H a couple (or three)
> years ago on a Riv Ride on Mt. Diablo trails (they're steep!). The only
> limitation I was aware of was standin while gripping the ends of the Bosco
> Bar, which you wouldn't do. I reached forward to the curves for that, and
> any mtb-ish bar on a Clem or Gus would be fine for that kind of riding.
>
> I rode a Susie around the building at RBW that had a prototype Bosco
> Bullmoose with less reach and more flare, I think that bike would be a
> great stand-and-climber. Really the long-stay limitation for these frames
> is popping the front wheel up, there's nothing to sabotage standing.
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Re: [RBW] There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

[Patrick Moore]

Good to know. I've ridden bikes with "tourist" bars -- Raleigh Sports, road
bikes converted to sweep-back bars, rod braked roadsters, very briefly, an
omafiets -- that were short enough forward of the bottom bracket (taking
top tube and available hand positions on the bar) to make standing awkward;
you felt as though you were going to fall over the bar; though slack seat
tube angles did allow you to get a sufficient torso to hip angle for
mashing.

I guess -- correct me if I'm wrong? -- that these Riv models are designed
for this precisely by having long top tubes?

"Paean" and such: Decades of vast and undisciplined reading.

On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 2:40 PM Leah Peterson 
wrote:

> Patrick, thanks! I had to look up the word paean, but what a good word to
> add to the vocabulary! Where *did* you encounter it?
>
> Oh, stems. I really went into this knowing less than nothing about them.
> When I was first diagnosing the fit problem of the bike I was advised to
> get “a shorter stem” which just about sent me into orbit because I thought
> that meant the bars would be lowered. I like ‘em high!
>
> About climbing and mashing. I am not a dirt road rider, but I am a
> very-steep-hill rider. I will often stay in my hard gear and stand and mash
> pedals. I do this *on purpose* because I want the extra workout. I have
> found it somehow gives me an arm workout as I am pulling up hard on the
> bars. I’m sure this is wrong. I’m sure this is bad form... I don’t care.
> Anyway, I don’t notice that it’s uncomfortable, and I have my Bosco bars at
> max height. I also find if I want to use the granny, I can also stay
> comfortably seated and climb the hill from my saddle. It all works great.
>
> Sent from my iPad
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> On Dec 1, 2019, at 1:22 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
> 
> Leah: Your paeans (I had to look up the spelling) to your Clem are almost
> heartbreakingly eloquent, and yes, the wavy fenders are aethereally (ditto)
> beautiful. And how many of the rest of us have wrestled in prayer with the
> length of stems?
>
> Me, all the talk about the comfort and agility of vastly long-stayed Rivs
> off road makes me want to try a Clem or Gus or
> whateverthehelltherightdirtroadmodelis, upright bar and everything. But
> (question for all): don't Rivendell seating positions presuppose a low
> gear, seated, twiddling style of pedaling? How do the Gus and so forth do
> when the rider likes to mash and stand?
>
> On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 2:13 PM Leah Peterson 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Doug. This bike has really endeared itself to me. I love what it
>> can do (haul it all, total comfort, luxurious ride) and that it is also an
>> unlikely beauty. I do think it looks a little long and can see how that
>> turns some folks off to it, but I think if you only paid attention to the
>> ride you’d love it. My initial complaint was that I didn’t want the bars so
>> far from me, but most folks don’t seem to complain about that. I will also
>> say the wheelbase is as long as my Saris rack can possibly take. I always
>> feel like I’m not going to be able to make tight turns, but that hasn’t
>> been true.
>>
>> If those things are not troublesome to you, I can’t imagine why you
>> wouldn’t like a Clem! And the L version has great resale if you really
>> couldn’t live with it, so now you’re all out of excuses. I await your New
>> Bike Day post. Oh, and get the wavy fenders!
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> > On Dec 1, 2019, at 10:29 AM, DHans  wrote:
>> >
>> > I really like the way you’ve outfitted the Clem L. It is classy
>> looking. I can’t help but think of “land yacht” when I see these bikes. I
>> think the low tube makes it look even longer. I also think the design uses
>> the form follows function idea in that the wheelbase was extended enough to
>> allow for a stable comfy ride. I wish I could ride one before purchasing
>> but I may just take a chance and buy a frame when one comes up for sale.
>> > Doug
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Re: [RBW] There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

[Leah Peterson]

Oh Ryan, sour grapes! I think you are jealous that you have like 8 Rivendells 
and exactly ZERO of them are metallic blue green shot through with glimmer like 
sunlight on seawater Clems. 

Also, fenders keep my sapphire Backabikes clean and fresh! So there! 藍 



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> Evan, 
> Please don’t mention water; Leah will go off on another diatribe about the 
> depth of the metallic blue sea like paint job for a 3rd or 4th time now.
> I was trying to talk her out of fenders actually since she only uses them to 
> protect herself from goose poop and other dry weather road hazards; but I 
> have to concede that they are perfectly fitting for her Clem L and add to the 
> overall beauty and personality of her bike.
> 
> Sincerely,
> Ryan ‘fender hoarder who doesn’t mount them’ Hankinson
> West Michigan
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Re: [RBW] There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

['Abcyclehank' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Evan, 
Please don’t mention water; Leah will go off on another diatribe about the 
depth of the metallic blue sea like paint job for a 3rd or 4th time now.
I was trying to talk her out of fenders actually since she only uses them to 
protect herself from goose poop and other dry weather road hazards; but I have 
to concede that they are perfectly fitting for her Clem L and add to the 
overall beauty and personality of her bike.

Sincerely,
Ryan ‘fender hoarder who doesn’t mount them’ Hankinson
West Michigan

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Re: [RBW] There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

[Evan E.]

Love those fenders, Leah! The light bouncing off the textured aluminum 
looks like ripples on water.

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Re: [RBW] There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

[Joe Bernard]

Nice! I dig those old GTs, and that Microshift Advent group is perfect for it 

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Re: [RBW] There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

[Garth]

   Well Patrick I ordered a Susie and I stand and mash all the time up 
steep hills here. I'll likely use Billie bars as they offer some for/aft 
hand positions and the curves are usable, especially standing while 
climbing,  like the Albatross. It's a frame Patrick, you can set it up and 
ride it any way you like. A swept back bar does mean "sit up and beg while 
twiddling over the pedals" ... ahahahahahahaha !  That's just silly  
Just because you see some photos or some people riding like that doesn't 
mean you have to . they're not Zombies waiting to bite you so you turn 
into one of them and ride like that. 

The longer top tubes of the Susie/New-Clems actually lend themselves to 
riding as stretched out as you like, depending on bar and stem of course! 



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>
> Me, all the talk about the comfort and agility of vastly long-stayed Rivs 
> off road makes me want to try a Clem or Gus or 
> whateverthehelltherightdirtroadmodelis, upright bar and everything. But 
> (question for all): don't Rivendell seating positions presuppose a low 
> gear, seated, twiddling style of pedaling? How do the Gus and so forth do 
> when the rider likes to mash and stand?
>
>
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Re: [RBW] There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

[DHans]

I agree Joe it is all a matter of perspective.  And, the older I get the less 
concern I have for how a bike looks especially as compared to the “typical” 
bike. Comfort is king for me! I’ll post a new bike day Leah as soon as I can 
find an L model in 52. My current ride is pretty sweet and I’d post a pic but 
can’t figure how. 
Doug

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Re: [RBW] There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

[Joe Bernard]

Patrick, my 'standing and grinding' experience on Clems is limited by my 
arthritic wrist, but I did a lot of it on a demo 52 H a couple (or three) years 
ago on a Riv Ride on Mt. Diablo trails (they're steep!). The only limitation I 
was aware of was standin while gripping the ends of the Bosco Bar, which you 
wouldn't do. I reached forward to the curves for that, and any mtb-ish bar on a 
Clem or Gus would be fine for that kind of riding.  

I rode a Susie around the building at RBW that had a prototype Bosco Bullmoose 
with less reach and more flare, I think that bike would be a great 
stand-and-climber. Really the long-stay limitation for these frames is popping 
the front wheel up, there's nothing to sabotage standing. 

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Re: [RBW] There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

[Leah Peterson]

Patrick, thanks! I had to look up the word paean, but what a good word to add 
to the vocabulary! Where *did* you encounter it? 

Oh, stems. I really went into this knowing less than nothing about them. When I 
was first diagnosing the fit problem of the bike I was advised to get “a 
shorter stem” which just about sent me into orbit because I thought that meant 
the bars would be lowered. I like ‘em high!

About climbing and mashing. I am not a dirt road rider, but I am a 
very-steep-hill rider. I will often stay in my hard gear and stand and mash 
pedals. I do this *on purpose* because I want the extra workout. I have found 
it somehow gives me an arm workout as I am pulling up hard on the bars. I’m 
sure this is wrong. I’m sure this is bad form... I don’t care. Anyway, I don’t 
notice that it’s uncomfortable, and I have my Bosco bars at max height. I also 
find if I want to use the granny, I can also stay comfortably seated and climb 
the hill from my saddle. It all works great. 

Sent from my iPad

> On Dec 1, 2019, at 1:22 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
> 
> 
> Leah: Your paeans (I had to look up the spelling) to your Clem are almost 
> heartbreakingly eloquent, and yes, the wavy fenders are aethereally (ditto) 
> beautiful. And how many of the rest of us have wrestled in prayer with the 
> length of stems? 
> 
> Me, all the talk about the comfort and agility of vastly long-stayed Rivs off 
> road makes me want to try a Clem or Gus or 
> whateverthehelltherightdirtroadmodelis, upright bar and everything. But 
> (question for all): don't Rivendell seating positions presuppose a low gear, 
> seated, twiddling style of pedaling? How do the Gus and so forth do when the 
> rider likes to mash and stand?
> 
>> On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 2:13 PM Leah Peterson  wrote:
>> Thanks, Doug. This bike has really endeared itself to me. I love what it can 
>> do (haul it all, total comfort, luxurious ride) and that it is also an 
>> unlikely beauty. I do think it looks a little long and can see how that 
>> turns some folks off to it, but I think if you only paid attention to the 
>> ride you’d love it. My initial complaint was that I didn’t want the bars so 
>> far from me, but most folks don’t seem to complain about that. I will also 
>> say the wheelbase is as long as my Saris rack can possibly take. I always 
>> feel like I’m not going to be able to make tight turns, but that hasn’t been 
>> true. 
>> 
>> If those things are not troublesome to you, I can’t imagine why you wouldn’t 
>> like a Clem! And the L version has great resale if you really couldn’t live 
>> with it, so now you’re all out of excuses. I await your New Bike Day post. 
>> Oh, and get the wavy fenders!
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> > On Dec 1, 2019, at 10:29 AM, DHans  wrote:
>> > 
>> > I really like the way you’ve outfitted the Clem L. It is classy looking. 
>> > I can’t help but think of “land yacht” when I see these bikes. I think the 
>> > low tube makes it look even longer. I also think the design uses the form 
>> > follows function idea in that the wheelbase was extended enough to allow 
>> > for a stable comfy ride. I wish I could ride one before purchasing but I 
>> > may just take a chance and buy a frame when one comes up for sale. 
>> > Doug
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Re: [RBW] There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

[Joe Bernard]

Also, "looks long" depends on your POV. I've owned so many variations of Riv 
Longbikes in the last few years - including my current 45 L and 52 H Clems - 
that "normal" bikes look short and weird to me. "Why are you sitting right on 
top of the real wheel??" 

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Re: [RBW] There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

[Patrick Moore]

Leah: Your paeans (I had to look up the spelling) to your Clem are almost
heartbreakingly eloquent, and yes, the wavy fenders are aethereally (ditto)
beautiful. And how many of the rest of us have wrestled in prayer with the
length of stems?

Me, all the talk about the comfort and agility of vastly long-stayed Rivs
off road makes me want to try a Clem or Gus or
whateverthehelltherightdirtroadmodelis, upright bar and everything. But
(question for all): don't Rivendell seating positions presuppose a low
gear, seated, twiddling style of pedaling? How do the Gus and so forth do
when the rider likes to mash and stand?

On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 2:13 PM Leah Peterson 
wrote:

> Thanks, Doug. This bike has really endeared itself to me. I love what it
> can do (haul it all, total comfort, luxurious ride) and that it is also an
> unlikely beauty. I do think it looks a little long and can see how that
> turns some folks off to it, but I think if you only paid attention to the
> ride you’d love it. My initial complaint was that I didn’t want the bars so
> far from me, but most folks don’t seem to complain about that. I will also
> say the wheelbase is as long as my Saris rack can possibly take. I always
> feel like I’m not going to be able to make tight turns, but that hasn’t
> been true.
>
> If those things are not troublesome to you, I can’t imagine why you
> wouldn’t like a Clem! And the L version has great resale if you really
> couldn’t live with it, so now you’re all out of excuses. I await your New
> Bike Day post. Oh, and get the wavy fenders!
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Dec 1, 2019, at 10:29 AM, DHans  wrote:
> >
> > I really like the way you’ve outfitted the Clem L. It is classy
> looking. I can’t help but think of “land yacht” when I see these bikes. I
> think the low tube makes it look even longer. I also think the design uses
> the form follows function idea in that the wheelbase was extended enough to
> allow for a stable comfy ride. I wish I could ride one before purchasing
> but I may just take a chance and buy a frame when one comes up for sale.
> > Doug
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Re: [RBW] There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

[Leah Peterson]

Thanks, Doug. This bike has really endeared itself to me. I love what it can do 
(haul it all, total comfort, luxurious ride) and that it is also an unlikely 
beauty. I do think it looks a little long and can see how that turns some folks 
off to it, but I think if you only paid attention to the ride you’d love it. My 
initial complaint was that I didn’t want the bars so far from me, but most 
folks don’t seem to complain about that. I will also say the wheelbase is as 
long as my Saris rack can possibly take. I always feel like I’m not going to be 
able to make tight turns, but that hasn’t been true. 

If those things are not troublesome to you, I can’t imagine why you wouldn’t 
like a Clem! And the L version has great resale if you really couldn’t live 
with it, so now you’re all out of excuses. I await your New Bike Day post. Oh, 
and get the wavy fenders!
Sent from my iPad

> On Dec 1, 2019, at 10:29 AM, DHans  wrote:
> 
> I really like the way you’ve outfitted the Clem L. It is classy looking. I 
> can’t help but think of “land yacht” when I see these bikes. I think the low 
> tube makes it look even longer. I also think the design uses the form follows 
> function idea in that the wheelbase was extended enough to allow for a stable 
> comfy ride. I wish I could ride one before purchasing but I may just take a 
> chance and buy a frame when one comes up for sale. 
> Doug
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Re: [RBW] There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

[DHans]

I really like the way you’ve outfitted the Clem L. It is classy looking. I 
can’t help but think of “land yacht” when I see these bikes. I think the low 
tube makes it look even longer. I also think the design uses the form follows 
function idea in that the wheelbase was extended enough to allow for a stable 
comfy ride. I wish I could ride one before purchasing but I may just take a 
chance and buy a frame when one comes up for sale. 
Doug

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Re: [RBW] There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Roberta: I am no decorator for sure, but this bike is 朗 and makes it easy! Who 
would ever think a Clem would give a Betty any trouble in a beauty contest, but 
here we are. 浪

Joe, agree that black fenders weren’t right. They would have given the bike a 
polished look, I’m sure, but when someone said the paint chips off I knew I 
wanted silver. I only want to have fenders mounted once!

Forearms - I noticed because I was looking at them hopefully, knowing he was 
gonna have to manhandle the mashed fenders! 

Also, I forgot to mention I installed a 50 mm stem (yes, me!) to bring those 
bars closer than the 90 was able. The weather has been stormy in our desert so 
I really haven’t gotten to test out the feel. But it has to be right because 
I’m out of options.

Abcyclehank and I are in the midst of a grip swap; he’s sending his brown/black 
Ergons and I’m sending him my black ones. Then we’ll have some harmony with 
that Select saddle, I hope. I tried the royal B17 but it wasn’t quite right. 
Still may swap it for a different color. 

But so happy with the bike’s look now. Can’t wait to ride it tot he boys’ 
school next week. Hope the weather clears up.

Thanks for making this so fun!

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Re: [RBW] There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

[Joe Bernard]

It really is lovely, and LBS Guy - heretofore known as Forearms - did a great 
mounting job. I believe somewhere in this thread I vouched for black fenders 
and I was oh so wrong..the shiney silver is smashing! 

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Re: [RBW] There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

[Curtis McKenzie]

Clemtastic!

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> Thank you! Lights are battery-operated string lights. Rechargeable.
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Re: [RBW] There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Thank you! Lights are battery-operated string lights. Rechargeable. 

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Re: [RBW] There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

[masmojo]

Lovely!

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Re: [RBW] There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

[JAS]

Leah, 
Pure class, as always!  I love the Christmas lights and your perseverance on 
your fender journey. Way to go!  The wavy fenders match your bike perfectly. 
How are you powering your lights?

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Re: [RBW] There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

[Roberta]

On Saturday, November 30, 2019 at 9:16:27 PM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
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> Second set: Christmas Clem. What a looker.
> 
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> 
> 
> I’ve had my 2019 blue Clem L for a few weeks now, but it’s taken me awhile to 
> get it set up for me. It’s still very much a work in progress, but it’s 
> really turning out to be a spectacular bicycle. As I discussed in a previous 
> post A Tale of Two Clems, this new Clem is quite different than my 2015 
> Clementine. The Clementine fit me like a glove with zero need for 
> adjustments. The new Clem is much longer, which changed a lot for me. I 
> needed a shorter stem (went from a 12 to a 9...or something), and even so, 
> I’m probably going to scoot my Brooks a bit forward because I *still* want 
> the grips closer to me. I’m 5’6” with an 83 cm PBH, but I wonder if the 45 
> would have fit me like my old Clementine does. 
> 
> 
> The Clem also boasts the fancy seat lug I adore, cream fills in the lugwork, 
> slimmer, lithe-looking tubes and a gorgeous metallic blue paint that no 
> camera can capture. The bike just begs for blue and more blue, and I’ve 
> answered it. I’ve come to think of it as the 50 Shades of Blue Bike. 
> 
> 
> I got it back from the shop yesterday. It has the new stem, a Nitto Basket 
> Rack, the Big Bens stolen from the Clementine, and was supposed to have the 
> Clementine’s fenders. The mechanic got the message mixed up and didn’t 
> install them, so the Clem is fenderless for now. The same day my Randi Jo bag 
> arrived, so I added that (the patch was a gift from our Roberta and a perfect 
> accessory to the bag) and put all my Sackville on the Clem. This bike is now 
> FORMIDABLE. What can it not do for me now?
> 
> 
> I took it out for an hour last night and laughed in the dark for most of the 
> ride. It is so much FUN. The Clem glides along, confident and strong. It 
> feels masculine, like its whisking me away somewhere, and I feel like I’m in 
> good hands. This is huge for me. I do a lot of hand-wringing when I get a new 
> bike, or even a new bike PART (I cried when I wore out my first set of tires 
> on the Betty and had to get new ones). I wonder if I’ve made a mistake. I 
> have visions of the bike falling apart underneath me as I ride down the 
> mountain on our school route. I rode the Betty exclusively for nearly 7 years 
> and it never let me down, so the Clem has a lot of live up to. So far, so 
> good.
> 
> 
> I took it to the boys’ school today loaded with: 2 U-locks, a lunchbox, a 
> laptop, a violin, a clarinet and my small personal effects. No sweat! The 
> bike shifts effortlessly, climbs just great and doesn’t complain about the 
> weight it carries. 
> 
> 
> I’m still figuring out what grips I want (these black Ergon grips are nice, 
> but I need brown) and what fenders to get. The SKS on the Clementine are fat 
> and floppy looking, and the mechanic says the measurements are nearly the 
> same for the new bike. Meaning, the fenders are going to look just as sloppy 
> on the Clem, so he didn’t install them. I’ve got the Big Ben tires; does 
> anyone have a suggestion for good fenders (not metal) that will be a nicer 
> fit? I love how well the SKS fit and look on my Betty. 
> 
> 
> Below are photos from yesterday. You can see the new bike along with the 
> other 2 I currently have. I’m really more of a 2 bike person, so I’ll likely 
> be selling the Clementine soon. I also made a fun 1 minute video of my 
> “shakedown ride” last night but I’m not sure you can view it on this 
> platform. Knowing that it’s goofy and not at all academic, PM me if you want 
> to view it anyway and I’ll send it to you. Or, find me on Instagram. It’s a 
> regular party over there!
> 
> 
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> 
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I think Christmas at the BBDD house has officially begun!  Your bike looks 
mah-velous!  You say you aren’t  a decorator, but you have a excellent eye for 
quality and beauty.   Betty Foy might get jealous. 

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[Joe Bernard]

SO. MUCH. CLASS!

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Re: [RBW] There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

[Joe Bernard]

Strange days indeed!

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Re: [RBW] There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

[Leah Peterson]

It’s tough to tell, I agree. Well, maybe bending it back was the wrong thing to 
do? I don’t know. I hope the “master mechanic” at REI knows about fenders and 
is as particular as we folks on this List are.

I hate to admit this, but I ordered these fenders from Amazon. I needed them to 
get here fast so I could make my upcoming fender appt at REI. Of course Amazon 
had the fastest shipping and would get it here in time. Well, we see how that 
worked out!

I just want the bike to be finished and finally be mine. I’ve been waiting to 
deck it out in Christmas lights until the work was done, but time is slipping 
away. Maybe I should just put on my lights and worry about fenders after 
Christmas. Or make these fenders work. Why don’t any of you live in Vegas?! We 
would have this decided by now!

Mark - that expression is funny. I took it out of the usual pop culture context 
though. Also, it is sort of comforting to my selfish heart that you are *also* 
having bike woes. 藍

I’m kidding. Sort of. 

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> Hmm, it’s tough to really tell but it does look narrower in the picture
> 
> The other tricky part is as you bend the fender narrower or wider it changes 
> the overall radius as it relates to the wheel.
> 
> (That’s how a “pro” installer gets the fender line perfect)
> 
> Sorry this is causing stress, I’ve been there.  sometimes we have to remember 
> how lucky we are vs being bummed about delays 
> 
> I’d try and FaceTime the troupe at VO tomorrow.  Without exaggerating, they 
> had the best customer service of any vendor I’d ever interacted with.
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Re: [RBW] There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

[Steve Palincsar]

Even worse when it's 9 pm and you're installing shift cables and you 
mistake the front and rear cables, install the rear cable in the front 
shifter and cut it to size... and then try to install the other one in 
the rear.


Momma said there'd be days like this...

On 11/26/19 7:11 PM, Mark Roland wrote:
I feel for you, but this is very funny. Never heard this expression 
before. Yeah, working on bikes can be trying at times, especially when 
you think everything is good--but it isn't. Just last night I was 
putting on some new handlebars on a bike. I got so into setting up the 
bar-end shifters, I forgot the brake levers need to go on 
first...Worse though when despite your diligent efforts something out 
of your control goes south.


On Tuesday, November 26, 2019 at 6:20:15 PM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding 
Ding! wrote:



I’m not crying you’re crying.

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> On Nov 26, 2019, at 3:15 PM, Steve Palincsar > wrote:
>
> 
>> On 11/26/19 6:02 PM, 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
>> Is that the front part of the rear fender that attaches to the
chainstay bridge between the chainstays? Perhaps it’s supposed to
be narrowed like that to fit between the stays?
>
>
> I doubt it: squashed in the way it is now, it would bind on any
but the narrowest tire.  And anyway I've never seen a fender come
pre-indented for the chain stays, and that's not what a stay
indentation looks like.
http://notfine.com/bikes/articles/MetalFenders-BQ34.pdf
   see p.
3 for indenting fender for chainstay
>
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Re: [RBW] There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

[Mark Roland]

I feel for you, but this is very funny. Never heard this expression before. 
Yeah, working on bikes can be trying at times, especially when you think 
everything is good--but it isn't. Just last night I was putting on some new 
handlebars on a bike. I got so into setting up the bar-end shifters, I 
forgot the brake levers need to go on first...Worse though when despite 
your diligent efforts something out of your control goes south.

On Tuesday, November 26, 2019 at 6:20:15 PM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
>
> I’m not crying you’re crying. 
>
> Sent from my iPhone 
>
> > On Nov 26, 2019, at 3:15 PM, Steve Palincsar  > wrote: 
> > 
> >  
> >> On 11/26/19 6:02 PM, 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote: 
> >> Is that the front part of the rear fender that attaches to the 
> chainstay bridge between the chainstays? Perhaps it’s supposed to be 
> narrowed like that to fit between the stays? 
> > 
> > 
> > I doubt it: squashed in the way it is now, it would bind on any but the 
> narrowest tire.  And anyway I've never seen a fender come pre-indented for 
> the chain stays, and that's not what a stay indentation looks like. 
> http://notfine.com/bikes/articles/MetalFenders-BQ34.pdf   see p. 3 for 
> indenting fender for chainstay 
> > 
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> > USA 
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Re: [RBW] There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

[Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles]

Hmm, it’s tough to really tell but it does look narrower in the picture

The other tricky part is as you bend the fender narrower or wider it changes 
the overall radius as it relates to the wheel.

(That’s how a “pro” installer gets the fender line perfect)

Sorry this is causing stress, I’ve been there.  sometimes we have to remember 
how lucky we are vs being bummed about delays 

I’d try and FaceTime the troupe at VO tomorrow.  Without exaggerating, they had 
the best customer service of any vendor I’d ever interacted with.

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Re: [RBW] There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

[Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles]

As long as those puppies aren’t creased, you should be able to bend them back 
by hand...

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Re: [RBW] There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

[Leah Peterson]

It’s been one thing after another. I didn’t update this post yet, but I managed 
to install my new stem a few days ago. I was so proud of myself for actually 
accomplishing this very easy task, but when I went for a test ride, I felt like 
the stem was no different. I looked more closely at the packaging. They sent me 
the exact stem  I already had (90) though I ordered a much shorter one (60). 
Now today my fenders arrived damaged. 

But the true tragedy? I can’t deck out my bike in Christmas lights until the 
fenders and stem are installed. 

I’m not crying you’re crying.

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> On Nov 26, 2019, at 3:15 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On 11/26/19 6:02 PM, 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
>> Is that the front part of the rear fender that attaches to the chainstay 
>> bridge between the chainstays? Perhaps it’s supposed to be narrowed like 
>> that to fit between the stays?
> 
> 
> I doubt it: squashed in the way it is now, it would bind on any but the 
> narrowest tire.  And anyway I've never seen a fender come pre-indented for 
> the chain stays, and that's not what a stay indentation looks like. 
> http://notfine.com/bikes/articles/MetalFenders-BQ34.pdf   see p. 3 for 
> indenting fender for chainstay
> 
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Re: [RBW] There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

[Steve Palincsar]

On 11/26/19 6:02 PM, 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
Is that the front part of the rear fender that attaches to the 
chainstay bridge between the chainstays? Perhaps it’s supposed to be 
narrowed like that to fit between the stays?



I doubt it: squashed in the way it is now, it would bind on any but the 
narrowest tire.  And anyway I've never seen a fender come pre-indented 
for the chain stays, and that's not what a stay indentation looks like. 
http://notfine.com/bikes/articles/MetalFenders-BQ34.pdf   see p. 3 for 
indenting fender for chainstay


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Re: [RBW] There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Is that the front part of the rear fender that attaches to the chainstay bridge 
between the chainstays? Perhaps it’s supposed to be narrowed like that to fit 
between the stays?

--Eric N

> On Nov 26, 2019, at 2:44 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
> 
> Hi All, who can tell me if the fenders I ordered are damaged? 
> 
> One end of one fender looks pinched. The box isn’t damaged. Is there a reason 
> for it? Can a mechanic heat and bend it or will it look stupid? The fenders 
> are packaged one inside the other. Just so you can understand what you’re 
> looking at...
> 
> The bike isn’t being serviced until Saturday so advise me quick and I may get 
> another set before then!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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>>> On Nov 21, 2019, at 5:43 AM, in Dallas nick  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> Probably a goofy thought but
>> if one preferred the name Clementine 
>> would it fit if a bike decal maker made a same size / color decals of ' 
>> entine '
>> to mount beside the current Clem decals?
>> 
>> Someone may have already thrown that idea out there for consideration.
>> 
>> Paul in Dallas 
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Re: [RBW] There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

[Ian A]

Reed Idlewild sent me a link to his description on fit. Many thanks to Reed. 
Here it is:-

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lBVAx8HXfPswofv9q6NKFCw9pBrjeOmNxfpfSR3ZDVo/edit?usp=sharing

IanA

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Re: [RBW] There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

PS I forgot to say my sister didn’t buy this Clem because her husband got her 
one for their anniversary. A 2019 bronzey green one. Maybe it was also a gift 
to himself, because she had completely stolen his 59 grilver Clem L. That’s 
love, folks. ❤️

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Re: [RBW] There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

[Leah Peterson]

Ian has asked a very fair question, and I’m happy to answer - I am an open 
book, ask away!

Why does Leah have a perfectly fitted Clementine but plans to sell it in favor 
of a less well-fitted Clem L? 

Because:
1. Leah is not immune to beautiful details.
2. Leah is a minimalist.

The Clementine fell into my lap after my mother in law moved to a nursing home. 
The bike had sat unridden in her garage for over a year. I bought my Betty Foy 
at the end of its production, not knowing a new longer-wheelbase generation of 
Rivs was in the works. I missed the Cheviot by a couple of months. While I 
adore the color scheme of the Betty, I’ve always wanted room for fatter tires 
and to know what all the fuss was about long chainstays. These were things the 
Clementine had, and I was really fortunate to get to bring that bike home. 
Turns out, Rivs new philosophies live up to the hype. That Clementine was 
instantly more comfortable than my Betty, though admittedly, heavier. 

But, the Clementine had no cream accents, was a rather loud aqua color, and had 
an ugly seat lug (I’m sorry, but that’s what I think). I had some frustrating 
recurring shifting issues with the bike, and I think that has something to do 
with space between the frame and derailleur (someone here speaks this language) 
that the newer Clems have fixed. 

The new Clem L fell into my lap because Roberta, a kind and thoughtful soul, 
was looking for a Clem L for my sister, and she stumbled upon this insanely 
good deal out of New York. For the price, it was just dumb not to buy it. I 
couldn’t believe anyone would sell this bike after 2 weeks of owning it, and at 
such a great price. I planned to either give it to one of my two sons when he 
gets big enough, or to sell it later. But when it arrived, it was just so 
beautiful. Cream accents! I’ve never had them! That metallic blue will make you 
swoon, though you need to see it with your own eyes to believe it. I described 
it as a blue-green shot through with glimmer, like sunlight in seawater, and I 
stand by that. Forget about the photos you’ve seen online, they’re trash. This 
bike is a much lovelier and upgraded Clementine. It’s really hard to say no to 
the beauty that the Clem L brings.  I can live with making some adjustments to 
fit because I think my body will get used to the bike and eventually prefer it. 
So, I’m keeping it.

I am going to sell the Clementine because I don’t need two of the same bike. We 
move fairly frequently and I like to travel through life light. I dislike 
clutter and I am wary of just ‘having things’ - I need to use them or they 
gotta go. I only want two bikes, a step through and a mixte - the two best 
bikes Rivendell makes. It’s bad enough that the old Clem H is sitting, waiting 
for a Peterson boy to grow tall enough to ride it, but I’m not having TWO bikes 
sitting in exile. So, the Clementine will brighten someone else’s life soon, 
and she’s a joy-bringer for certain.

Thanks for the help on fit - I’ll be anxious to read it if we can track it down.
Best,
Leah








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> On Nov 19, 2019, at 12:49 PM, Ian A  wrote:
> 
> When you find the sweet spot for fit, all concerns over frame size will 
> evaporate. Just some small tweaks can make a big difference in feel, so it's 
> worth persevering. Reed Kennedy on the 650b list made a method for perfectly 
> replicating fit from one bike to another, if you wanted to perfectly mimic 
> the Clementine fit.
> 
> I tried to link it, but it only linked to my groups homepage. For those more 
> familiar with the google groups interface search "How To: Measure Bike Fit 
> Exactly" (OP Reed Kennedy) on the 650b and possibly iBOB too. Really helpful 
> and well written guide. If anyone could post the correct link, that would be 
> great.
> 
> Am I the only one wondering why the Clementine doesn't just stay with you? 
> Why the new Clem to replace a perfect one? No justification needed, of 
> course. And the new Clem is clearly superb.
> 
> IanA
> 
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Re: [RBW] There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

[Leah Peterson]

Yeah, except classy and not that trashy other 50 Shades! We will have no part 
of *that*.

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> On Nov 19, 2019, at 10:26 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
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> 50 Shades of Blue Bike 藍
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