[RDA-L] RDA online: another delay

2009-04-23 Thread Rita Albrecht
Dear collegues, since the beginning of April I checked www.rdaonline.org regurlarly for the announced demo version. Today the start page reads as following: RDA Demo ALA Publishing is working through final changes to RDA content from the Joint Steering Committee since its March meeting. We

Re: [RDA-L] RDA online: another delay

2009-04-23 Thread Stephen Early
Actually, I believe one of the reasons for the delay is that the screen mockups were intended to be implemented via Generated Online Data Operating Technology, a special software package which, as yet, has not arrived. Writing 23 days after the beginning of April, Stephen T. Early Cataloger

Re: [RDA-L] Utility of FRBR/WEMI/RDA

2009-04-23 Thread Christoph Schmidt-Supprian
Excuse my ignorance, but why are the film and the novel two different works? Are they not different expressions of the same work, that is, is the film not an adaptation of the novel? And if they are separate works, why do they need to be linked to each other? I'm still a novice in FRBR and don't

Re: [RDA-L] Utility of FRBR/WEMI/RDA

2009-04-23 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
It's kind of arbitrary whether they are considered the same work or different work. But the library community has decided to consider them different works, for a bunch of reasons that are probably documented somewhere or other So if they're different works, why do they need to be linked?

Re: [RDA-L] Utility of FRBR/WEMI/RDA

2009-04-23 Thread Jonathan Leybovich
Here is the relevant section from FRBR (3.2.1): Thus paraphrases, rewritings, adaptations for children, parodies, musical variations on a theme and free transcriptions of a musical composition are considered to represent new works. Similarly, adaptations of a work from one literary or art form to

Re: [RDA-L] Utility of FRBR/WEMI/RDA

2009-04-23 Thread Karen Coyle
Jonathan Leybovich wrote: The link between the film work and novel work is intended to capture an important relationship between the two distinct works that is important to users. Given that there are so many fundamental inter-work relationships, I've always thought it would make sense to

Re: [RDA-L] Utility of FRBR/WEMI/RDA

2009-04-23 Thread Adam L. Schiff
Mac's response here is right on! If the film Gone with the wind and the novel were both the same work, they would be named the same way. Few people would name the film as a being created by Mitchell (or, in AACR2 terms, the novel gets Mitchell as main entry, but the film does not).

Re: [RDA-L] Utility of FRBR/WEMI/RDA

2009-04-23 Thread Adam L. Schiff
On Thu, 23 Apr 2009, Jonathan Rochkind wrote: On the other hand, while the film being a different work than the book makes sense to me, the idea that an _audio book_ of the exact text of the book is a different work (but a braille version is not? Or is a braille version a different work too?)

Re: [RDA-L] Utility of FRBR/WEMI/RDA

2009-04-23 Thread John Hostage
Isn't saying that if the main entry changes, it's a different work looking at it backwards? We choose a different main entry because we (in the library community) have agreed (by custom) that a film is a different work from the book it was based on. That why we have rules like AACR2 21.9. FRBR

Re: [RDA-L] Utility of FRBR/WEMI/RDA

2009-04-23 Thread Jay Smith
Although RDA may presuppose that an audiobook version of a book is an expression, is not doing so an arbitrary judgment? Not only is the format different, but it involves the participation of one or more readers or actors to interpret the text. To take it one step further, how should we

Re: [RDA-L] Utility of FRBR/WEMI/RDA

2009-04-23 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Yes, it's an arbitrary judgement. They are ALL arbitrary judgements, either way. I think folks need to get used to this,and stop thinking that we are actually somehow recording the Actual Universe 100% objectively in the only way possible to do so. It's just a model, just a representation.

Re: [RDA-L] Utility of FRBR/WEMI/RDA

2009-04-23 Thread Dan Matei
-Original Message- From: Jonathan Rochkind rochk...@jhu.edu To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 17:31:32 -0400 Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Utility of FRBR/WEMI/RDA Yes, it's an arbitrary judgement. They are ALL arbitrary judgements, either way. I would prefer to call

Re: [RDA-L] Utility of FRBR/WEMI/RDA

2009-04-23 Thread Diane I. Hillmann
Dan, I agree. They represent the point of view of a particular community, and are no less valid for that. The problem has been that there has been some notion floating around that we all have to agree on ONE point of view for record sharing to work under FRBR. I believe that is not the

Re: [RDA-L] Utility of FRBR/WEMI/RDA

2009-04-23 Thread J. McRee Elrod
In article 387791fc3f8c1b4e98bf58481496c6f20281f...@hlsexch3.law.harvard.edu, you wrote: Isn't saying that if the main entry changes, it's a different work looking at it backwards? We choose a different main entry because we (in the library community) have agreed (by custom) that a film is a

Re: [RDA-L] Utility of FRBR/WEMI/RDA

2009-04-23 Thread Hal Cain
Dan Matei wrote: -Original Message- From: Jonathan Rochkind rochk...@jhu.edu To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 17:31:32 -0400 Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Utility of FRBR/WEMI/RDA Yes, it's an arbitrary judgement. They are ALL arbitrary judgements, either way. I would