Re: [RDA-L] S-o-R/RDA 2.4.1.4

2013-03-12 Thread Gene Fieg
Well, I thought I would go back to 2.4.1.4 and see what it says. It appears to be very much in line with AACR2. I did not see anything like the examples given in previous e-mails. Titles are omitted. They don't really add anything to the area of responsibility. I did see Professors used once,

Re: [RDA-L] S-o-R/RDA 2.4.1.4

2013-03-12 Thread Kevin M Randall
The examples under Optional Omission are: by Harry Smith Source of information reads: by Dr. Harry Smith Charles F. Hoban, Jr. Source of information reads: Charles F. Hoban, Jr., Special Assistant, Division of Visual Education, Philadelphia Public Schools sponsored by the Library Association

Re: [RDA-L] S-o-R/RDA 2.4.1.4

2013-03-12 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
Gene, I wish it were so. But 2.4.1.4 states, Transcribe a statement of responsibility in the form in which it appears on the source of information. Immediately followed by the optional omission, Abridge a statement of responsibility only if it can be abridged without loss of essential

[RDA-L] Coding subsequent creators in MARC 21 Bibliographic

2013-03-12 Thread Ed Jones
While the RDA creator element can be mapped to the MARC 1XX field, this mapping breaks down for works involving more than one creator, since the 1XX field is not repeatable. At present, subsequent creators are mapped to MARC 7XX, which is also used for contributors, so they can only be

Re: [RDA-L] S-o-R/RDA 2.4.1.4

2013-03-12 Thread Joan Wang
All of this information on persons' affiliations could be recorded in our authority records -- is it really necessary to repeat it all in our bibliographic records as well? I got an impression that one day data represented in authority records could be viewed or searched in end-users' clients.

Re: [RDA-L] Coding subsequent creators in MARC 21 Bibliographic

2013-03-12 Thread Kevin M Randall
Blah is right! MARC has served us very well for many decades. Through heroic life support means, we've been able to keep it functioning well beyond its original intended purpose, but there are natural limitations that are going to end up being fatal. Kevin From: Resource Description and

Re: [RDA-L] Coding subsequent creators in MARC 21 Bibliographic

2013-03-12 Thread Deborah Fritz
That, again, is why adding the relationship designators are so important; even if they have to be at the highest levels, e.g., Creator. But we definitely do need a better high level designator than Other Persons, Families, or Corporate Bodies Associated with a Work - - - - - - - -

Re: [RDA-L] S-o-R/RDA 2.4.1.4

2013-03-12 Thread Lisa Hatt
On 3/12/2013 9:07 AM, Benjamin A Abrahamse babra...@mit.edu wrote: But 2.4.1.4 states, Transcribe a statement of responsibility in the form in which it appears on the source of information. Immediately followed by the optional omission, Abridge a statement of responsibility only if it can be

Re: [RDA-L] S-o-R/RDA 2.4.1.4

2013-03-12 Thread Gene Fieg
It may not be the same as AACR2 but it has the same gist (gyst?): don't include any unnecesary verbiage that does not add to the reponsible agent. This would include personal names that have forename and surname. When surname is only available and a title is present, use it. When corporate

Re: [RDA-L] eBooks Playaways

2013-03-12 Thread M. E.
Pam Withrow withr...@perma-bound.com wrote: Playaway Audio 336 - spoken word 337 - audio 338 - audio cartridge In my opinion: 336 -- spoken word 337 -- audio 338 -- other A Playaway Audio doesn't quite fit under the definition of an audio cartridge (a cartridge containing audio tape). --

Re: [RDA-L] eBooks Playaways

2013-03-12 Thread Pam Withrow
Thank you for your opinion. I agree that audio cartridge is not a good fit. It looks like we will continue to hash this one out. --Pam On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 3:16 PM, M. E. m.k.e.m...@gmail.com wrote: Pam Withrow withr...@perma-bound.com wrote: Playaway Audio 336 - spoken word 337 -

Re: [RDA-L] eBooks Playaways

2013-03-12 Thread Robert Maxwell
In my opinion a Playaway is unmediated. You don't need anything other than the object itself (and a source of electricity) to get the information, in contrast to, say, a CD, which you need to put in a machine in order to use. Media type is a categorization reflecting the general type of

Re: [RDA-L] eBooks Playaways

2013-03-12 Thread J. McRee Elrod
Mark said: In my opinion: 336 -- spoken word 337 -- audio 338 -- other A Playaway Audio doesn't quite fit under the definition of an audio cartridge (a cartridge containing audio tape). I agree with Mark, but did not comment on this originally because of the uselessness of other. The MRIs have

Re: [RDA-L] Relator code and term punctucation

2013-03-12 Thread M. E.
Michael Chopey cho...@hawaii.edu wrote: I don't know where the instruction for preceding the $e with a comma is to be found, nor the instruction not to include the comma when the field preceding the $e ends with a hyphen. The closest I ever got: A comma is used ... to separate date, number,

Re: [RDA-L] eBooks Playaways

2013-03-12 Thread Pam Withrow
Thank you, Bob. That is an excellent point. I never would have thought of it that way. --Pam On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 3:35 PM, Robert Maxwell robert_maxw...@byu.eduwrote: In my opinion a Playaway is unmediated. You don’t need anything other than the object itself (and a source of

Re: [RDA-L] eBooks Playaways

2013-03-12 Thread Pam Withrow
Yes, other leaves a lot to the imagination! --Pam On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 4:35 PM, J. McRee Elrod m...@slc.bc.ca wrote: Mark said: In my opinion: 336 -- spoken word 337 -- audio 338 -- other A Playaway Audio doesn't quite fit under the definition of an audio cartridge (a cartridge

Re: [RDA-L] eBooks Playaways

2013-03-12 Thread M. E.
Robert Maxwell robert_maxw...@byu.edu wrote: In my opinion a Playaway is unmediated. You don’t need anything other than the object itself (and a source of electricity) to get the information, in contrast to, say, a CD, which you need to put in a machine in order to use. Good point. I

Re: [RDA-L] Relator code and term punctucation

2013-03-12 Thread Deborah Fritz
For preceding the $e with a comma, see the LC PCC PS for 1.7.1 Access Points in Name Authority and Bibliographic Records (General) http://access.rdatoolkit.org/document.php?id=lcpschp1 http://access.rdatoolkit.org/document.php?id=lcpschp1target=lcps1-223#lcps 1-223 target=lcps1-223#lcps1-223

Re: [RDA-L] Relator code and term punctucation

2013-03-12 Thread M. E.
Deborah Fritz debo...@marcofquality.com wrote: For preceding the $e with a comma, see the LC PCC PS for 1.7.1 Access Points in Name Authority and Bibliographic Records (General) http://access.rdatoolkit.org/document.php?id=lcpschp1target=lcps1-223#lcps1-223 ** ** 1.