Re: [RDA-L] Recording alternate content and physical forms -- Bibframe

2013-05-10 Thread J. McRee Elrod
Deborah Fritz said: >A change in Expression data in a MARC Bib >record means a change in >Expression when we get the data out of MARC and into ... whatever. The only "whatever" on the horizon is Bibframe. Like MARC, Bibframe has no expression record. I suspect expression data in Bibframe will b

Re: [RDA-L] Recording alternate content and physical forms -- Bibframe

2013-05-10 Thread Deborah Fritz
Just to clarify, our MARC Bib records are not strictly Manifestation records, they are compilations of Manifestation data + Work data + Expression data crammed into single record. Unfortunate, but what we are stuck with for the time being. A change in Expression data in a MARC Bib record means a c

Re: [RDA-L] Abridging statement of responsibility

2013-05-10 Thread J. McRee Elrod
Thomas Meehan asked: >1. Which (or how many) statements of responsibility are to be regarde= >d as core. The first only. But I suspect most will record all, or at least the first person in each grouping, as well as trace them. >2. Statements of responsibility naming more than three

Re: [RDA-L] Recording alternate content and physical forms -- Bibframe

2013-05-10 Thread J. McRee Elrod
Deborah Fritzs said: >In the meantime, if we are making RDA records, then we have to use the RDA >elements in the way that RDA defines them; just as we have to (if only it >were true) use MARC elements the way that MARC defines those elements. RDA has so many options, and so many fuzzy direction

Re: [RDA-L] Abridging statement of responsibility

2013-05-10 Thread JSC Secretary
Tom, One of the changes in the May 14 release of the RDA Toolkit will be a revision of the core statement at 2.4 to add information there that is now at 2.4.2: "Statement of responsibility relating to title proper is a core element (if more than one, only the first recorded is required). Other s

[RDA-L] Abridging statement of responsibility

2013-05-10 Thread Meehan, Thomas
Dear all, This is a fairly novice question but one where I would welcome some clarification, especially as far as the RDA text goes. Apologies if this has been raised before (I'm sure it must have been). I am looking at a couple of contentious aspects of the statement of responsibility relating

Re: [RDA-L] Recording alternate content and physical forms -- Bibframe

2013-05-10 Thread Deborah Fritz
We have no way of knowing, yet, what Bibframe will end up as--it is still very much a work in progress, Thomas shows with the addition of "hasExpression" and "expressionOf". In the meantime, if we are making RDA records, then we have to use the RDA elements in the way that RDA defines them; just

Re: [RDA-L] Recording alternate content and physical forms -- Bibframe

2013-05-10 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
> -Original Message- > From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access > [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of J. McRee Elrod > Sent: May-09-13 9:10 PM > To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA > Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Recording alternate content and physical for

Re: [RDA-L] Recording places of publication

2013-05-10 Thread Carolyn Phillips
I think you have it correct. However, when it comes to RDA, I am far from a "specialist." :-) Carolyn Phillips Cataloging Specialist Grand Rapids Public Library 111 Library St Grand Rapids, MI 49503 cphill...@grpl.org On 5/10/2013 9:11 AM, Heidrun Wiesenmüller wrote [in part]: Which leads me to

Re: [RDA-L] Recording places of publication

2013-05-10 Thread Joan Wang
Thank you. Heidrun. Good explanation! Thanks again, Joan Wang On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 8:11 AM, Heidrun Wiesenmüller < wiesenmuel...@hdm-stuttgart.de> wrote: > Joan, > > perhaps it helps if you compare this to the rules for statements of > responsibility. In 2.4.1.6 we read: "If there is more

Re: [RDA-L] Recording places of publication

2013-05-10 Thread Heidrun Wiesenmüller
Joan, perhaps it helps if you compare this to the rules for statements of responsibility. In 2.4.1.6 we read: "If there is more than one statement of responsibility, record the statements in the order indicated by the sequence, layout, or typography of the source of information (...)." Again

Re: [RDA-L] Recording places of publication

2013-05-10 Thread Joan Wang
Sorry, for $a in 260 fields, probably no need for omission indication. If I understand 2.8.2.4 correctly, it tells us to transcribe more than one place in an order rather than the first one and picking up whatever we want. Unless there is an in-house guideline. On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 7:47 AM, Jo

Re: [RDA-L] Recording places of publication

2013-05-10 Thread Joan Wang
3. do anything in between, i.e. record the first one and one or more of the others Does 2.8.2.4 tell us that? Ignore whatever we want and no indication? I thought that RDA or LCPS would explicitly state that. *If more than one place of publication is named on the source of information, record the

Re: [RDA-L] 336, 337, 338 and the post-MARC environment

2013-05-10 Thread James Weinheimer
On 10/05/2013 00:21, Jonathan Rochkind wrote: > Festshrift codes, no. I didn't mean ALL of the data, indeed. > > Format/genre/medium/carrier info? Such as in leader bytes 6-7, field > 007, and now the 336/337/338? Absolutely. > > I am not saying that ALL the info in the MARC record is equally >