I have an illustrated book that has no specific statement of responsibility
realting to the illustrator anywhere in the resource. There is however, a
statement on the title page verso that reads Interior illustrations copyright
c2012 by Sebastian Ciaffaglione. I can't find any guidance on this
I think editor would be just fine. I would be inclined to catalog this as a
set, and I think Kiraz's name is the only one you need to trace - most people
will not remember the other editors and translators. If there is another name
that is found on every volume, you could trace that as well.
It strikes me as a reasonable assumption, that the copyright holder for the
illustrations is also their creator. RDA 2.4.2.2 (Statement of responsibility
relating to title proper--Sources of information) would suggest that verso t.p.
information can be used as a source of information (see (b))
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I have in hand the Second print of a title. The first printing had 77 pages
(according to the bib record; 78 according to Amazon, 81 according to Barnes
Noble). The Second print has 124 pages, and apparently the same dimensions
(at least, the height is the same). I would like to add an
This raises another question. If the author is provided on the title page and
the illustrator is provide on the title page verso can they both be transcribe
in the statement of the responsibility? Does not the rule 2.4.2.2 state the SOR
should come from the same source as the title proper. If
My thanks to the folks who sent in feedback on how they would handle my two
date examples. As I suspected, there was considerable variation on how the
dates would be entered for these resources-here is a summary, with some
paraphrasing, and extrapolating, so hopefully I have interpreted all the
Don Charuk wrote:
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If the author is provided on the title page and the illustrator is provide on
the title page verso can they both be transcribe in the statement of the
responsibility? Does not the rule 2.4.2.2 state the SOR should come from the
same source as the title proper. If so
RDA 2.4.2.2. lists the same source as the title proper only as first in order
of preference. Second in order of preference is another source within the
resource. I believe it is the other title that must come from the same source
as the title proper, but the SoR is not covered by the other
On Thursday, June 20, 2013 12:22 PM, Don Charuk
[dcha...@torontopubliclibrary.ca] wrote:
This raises another question. If the author is provided on the title page and
the illustrator is provide on the title page verso can they both be transcribe
in the statement of the responsibility? Does not
Kevin posted:
Interior illustrations copyright c2012 by Sebastian Ciaffaglione
The simplest solution might be to use this as a quoted note with --
Title page verso to justify an added entry.
I would like to use interior illustrations ... by Sebastian
Ciaffaglione in the 245 $c ...
Fine by me,
I agree.
Whatever happened to cataloger's judgment in this case?
On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Michael Borries
michael.borr...@mail.cuny.edu wrote:
I have in hand the “Second print” of a title. The first printing had 77
pages (according to the bib record; 78 according to Amazon, 81
The optional omission in RDA 2.4.1.4 says Do not use a mark of omission
(…) to indicate the abridging of an SoR. Not sure if anything else in RDA
supercedes this?
Arthur Liu
Librarian Technician
Volpe National Transportation Systems Center
On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 1:20 PM, J. McRee Elrod
And one does miss the LCRI about a t.p. extending from one page to the next.
Somehow the freedom to create (cataloger's judgment) is getting lost. In
the past we would have put the illustrator in brackets (it came from one of
the preliminaries) and make an added entry. That seemed so
To answer Mac's questions, there don't seem to have been unnumbered pages
involved (except perhaps in the differing paginations of the bib record,
Amazon, and Barnes Noble). There are lab sheets and tests in the second
print, but not enough, I think, to account for the difference. It's
First, it's your judgment as to what constitutes an edition statement. If you
think Second print is an edition statement you can record it as is. And in
this case you have a good argument for the resource with the statement Seond
print being a different edition.
If you're uncomfortable with
I thank you all for the clarification. We were unsure on the interpretation of
the rules regarding order and rigidity of the preferred sources.
A copyright statement is just that: a statement about the copyright-i.e., who
owns the copyright. It is not a statement of responsibility. It is entirely
possible for a copyright to be owned by someone other than the creator (for
example, if it was a work for hire, or if the copyright was
The data entry instruction for the SOR element is:
2.4.2.3 Record statements of responsibility relating to title proper by
applying the basic instructions at 2.4.1.
And, 2.4.1.4 Transcribe a statement of responsibility as it appears on the
source of information
Remember that a Statement of
I agree with Deborah. I would verify the illustrator from other sources,
and bracket the statement.
Thanks,
Joan Wang
On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 3:02 PM, Deborah Fritz debo...@marcofquality.comwrote:
The data entry instruction for the SOR element is:
2.4.2.3 Record statements of responsibility
Thank you Michael. I will stick with editor, I guess it really is the
most fitting. I am cataloging this as a set. Unfortunately the
publishers did not number the volumes, but some institutions have taken to
assigning volume numbers to the volumes. I'm following the University of
Chicago's
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