Re: [RDA-L] Illustration terms in 7.15.1.3

2013-08-16 Thread Heidrun Wiesenmüller
Mac said: I would consider architectural drawings to be plans, not maps, regardless of scale. Maps usually depict the earth's surface. There are also maps of the moon, and of fictitious places, etc. Yes, but not all architectural drawings are plans (e.g. if the drawing shows the front of a

Re: [RDA-L] Illustration terms in 7.15.1.3

2013-08-16 Thread L'Écuyer-Coelho Marie-Chantal
Hi everyone! I had a very similar case yesterday: a book containing solely illustrations. Some of the illustrations had colour, but most of them were bw. Since we cannot refer to the illustration in 300$b (RDA defines it as « secondary content »), I wasn't sure how to record the information...

Re: [RDA-L] Illustration terms in 7.15.1.3

2013-08-16 Thread L'Écuyer-Coelho Marie-Chantal
Hi! I think it is extremely confusing because, under 3.4.4, still image includes paintings (without specifying what the carrier must be), while under 3.5.3, the rule for dimensions only applies to documents on sheet (therefore, I assume a painting on canvas, a fresco on plaster slab or an

Re: [RDA-L] Illustration terms in 7.15.1.3

2013-08-16 Thread L'Écuyer-Coelho Marie-Chantal
Whaha! I am reading my mails backwards and just noticed you already mentionned the confusion between carrier and content :) Marie-Chantal L'Ecuyer-Coelho Bibliothécaire Direction du traitement documentaire des collections patrimoniales Bibliothèque et Archives nationales du Québec 2275, rue

Re: [RDA-L] Unknown date

2013-08-16 Thread Joan Wang
Shahrzad do [between 2000 and 2013?] in FF 008/06 Type of date q 008/07-10 2000 008/11-14 2013 For call number, between 2000 and 2013, use 2000. Is that LC policy? Joan On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 4:17 PM, Khosrowpour, Shahrzad shahrzad.khosrowp...@colostate-pueblo.edu wrote: Oh, I did

Re: [RDA-L] Illustration terms in 7.15.1.3

2013-08-16 Thread J. McRee Elrod
Heidrun said: I think we'll have to discuss that for the German application. Judging from the discussion here and some examples I've seen, I'm not so sure this rule has been universally followed (although I see your point). Even the AACR2 glossary does not have a definition of photograph.

[RDA-L] 300 $b for still images in volume format

2013-08-16 Thread L'Écuyer-Coelho Marie-Chantal
Hi again! I don't think I would write up a content note in 520 since in 336 the content type is clearly defined as still image. Now, for « normal » still images (i.e. pictures on a sheet of paper or other 2D carrier), we never include terms like « ill. » or « images » since it would be

Re: [RDA-L] Unknown date

2013-08-16 Thread Khosrowpour, Shahrzad
Adam, [not after August 15, 2013] seems reasonable. What would be the DtSt code and date at FF, if I use $c [not after August 15, 2013] Thanks-- Shahrzad -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access

Re: [RDA-L] Unknown date

2013-08-16 Thread J. McRee Elrod
[not after August 15, 2013] seems reasonable. [before August 2013] would be shorter. Why be negative? It probably took two weeks for the item to reach you, so I would not worry about the 15th. Seems to me RDA often uses a phrase where a word would suffice. We would still prefer guessing the

Re: [RDA-L] 300 $b for still images in volume format

2013-08-16 Thread J. McRee Elrod
Marie-Chantal (what a pretty name) said: we never include terms like « ill. » or « images » since it would be redundant to say an image is illustrated! You are assuming that 336 displays. If it displays, I've not so far seen it in brief display. The 300 collation should be understandable on

Re: [RDA-L] 300 $b for still images in volume format

2013-08-16 Thread Gene Fieg
Just to be a carmudgeon about this. Those 3XX fields are very structured and may not immediately understandable to the patron. So I would include illustration in the 360, since this written in much more straightforward English. On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 12:02 PM, L'Écuyer-Coelho Marie-Chantal