Re: [RDA-L] Bibliographic records vs. catalogue building

2012-06-19 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
My Blacklight-based catalog makes use of the 043's when present. It's certainly not true that "no" online system ever made use of it. On 6/12/2012 12:55 PM, Kevin M Randall wrote: -Original Message- Unfortunately, most people did not bother with the 043 field, in particular, because no

Re: [RDA-L] Bibliographic records vs. catalogue building

2012-06-12 Thread Kevin M Randall
> -Original Message- > Unfortunately, most people did not bother with the 043 field, in > particular, because no online system (including OCLC) made use of it. So > now we are finding that we shouldn't make use of the 043 because the > information is not in online bibliographic records bec

Re: [RDA-L] Bibliographic records vs. catalogue building

2012-06-07 Thread Adam L. Schiff
And now we have the BIBCO and CONSER standard records used by PCC libraries and the 043 is not part of the floor element set, so many PCC libraries have stopped including it in new records. ^^ Adam L. Schiff Principal Cataloger University of Washington Libra

Re: [RDA-L] Bibliographic records vs. catalogue building

2012-06-07 Thread Heidrun Wiesenmüller
Karen said: What you demonstrate here, though, is something important: coded data can be more easily utilized for this kind of functionality than textual data. Definitely. For instance, it was very easy to set up both a German and an English version of the facet. You don't have to change

Re: [RDA-L] Bibliographic records vs. catalogue building

2012-06-07 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
antia [klaman...@starklibrary.org] Sent: June-07-12 1:23 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Bibliographic records vs. catalogue building "...EMPHATICALLY it is not the preferred format that staff want to work in. Rather staff love the tabular format, where elements are a

Re: [RDA-L] Bibliographic records vs. catalogue building

2012-06-07 Thread Patton,Glenn
-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Bibliographic records vs. catalogue building The irony here is lovely. The MARC fixed fields for country and language codes and the 043 and 041 were originally designed for automated retrieval at a time when there were if any online catalogs. In the computer environment

Re: [RDA-L] Bibliographic records vs. catalogue building

2012-06-07 Thread Karen Coyle
Laurence, Think of the message to users if they search on a value that is only present in 1/2 of the records it would be relevant for. You can decide that it's ok to give people only 50% of what they should get, but then what does that do for Thomas's insistence that the role of the library c

Re: [RDA-L] Bibliographic records vs. catalogue building

2012-06-07 Thread Laurence S. Creider
The irony here is lovely. The MARC fixed fields for country and language codes and the 043 and 041 were originally designed for automated retrieval at a time when there were if any online catalogs. In the computer environment of the 1960s and 1970s, even the 1980s, retrieval by the codes would ha

Re: [RDA-L] Bibliographic records vs. catalogue building

2012-06-07 Thread Karen Coyle
hursday, June 07, 2012 1:00 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Bibliographic records vs. catalogue building "How that data is searched is a matter of the ILS, not AACR2 or MARC." The last point is profoundly wrong. Traditional cataloging still assumes a structure

Re: [RDA-L] Bibliographic records vs. catalogue building

2012-06-07 Thread Karen Coyle
On 6/7/12 10:02 AM, Heidrun Wiesenmüller wrote: The country codes have been there in our authority file for two or three decades, but up to now I believe they have never been used for actual retrieval. Perhaps something similar could be done with the geographical area codes in MARC field 043?

Re: [RDA-L] Bibliographic records vs. catalogue building

2012-06-07 Thread Kathleen Lamantia
723 klaman...@starklibrary.org Inspiring Ideas ∙ Enriching Lives ∙ Creating Community   -Original Message- From: Brenndorfer, Thomas [mailto:tbrenndor...@library.guelph.on.ca] Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 1:00 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Bibliographic

Re: [RDA-L] Bibliographic records vs. catalogue building

2012-06-07 Thread Heidrun Wiesenmüller
Mac said: With the end of the card catalogue, too many of us abandoned catalogue construction to computer people, and limited ourselves to under utilized bibliographic record creation I think this is a very important insight. One of my mottoes is "Make our data work harder", because there ar

Re: [RDA-L] Bibliographic records vs. catalogue building

2012-06-07 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
nndorfer Guelph Public Library From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of J. McRee Elrod [m...@slc.bc.ca] Sent: June-07-12 11:54 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [R

Re: [RDA-L] Bibliographic records vs. catalogue building

2012-06-07 Thread Kathleen Lamantia
Elrod [mailto:m...@slc.bc.ca] Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 11:54 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Bibliographic records vs. catalogue building Heidrun said: >Correct me if I've misunderstood how Anglo-American catalogs work. I've >just tried it out in

Re: [RDA-L] Bibliographic records vs. catalogue building

2012-06-07 Thread J. McRee Elrod
Heidrun said: >Correct me if I've misunderstood how Anglo-American catalogs work. I've >just tried it out in your own catalog: Typing in, e.g. "lew tolstoi war >peace" in "keyword" doesn't give me even one edition, let alone all of >them ... This has nothing to do with AACR2 cataloguing, but