Re: [RDA-L] Separate bibliographic identities

2013-01-08 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
-Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Heidrun Wiesenmüller Sent: January-08-13 3:02 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Separate bibliographic identities Thomas

Re: [RDA-L] Separate bibliographic identities

2013-01-08 Thread Heidrun Wiesenmüller
Thomas said: Actually, I found it rather appealing to have name as a separate entity in FRAD (it seemed to make the model much more flexible), until one of my students quite reasonably asked: What about people with the same name, then? Do they share the same name entity? This issue is

Re: [RDA-L] Separate bibliographic identities

2013-01-07 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
] Separate bibliographic identities Thomas said: Just a suggestion-- would not relationship designators serve as the data to accomplish much of this. That is, without adding anything to existing records, or deciding a priori that one entity is a super entity. For example, the use

Re: [RDA-L] Separate bibliographic identities Discovery Systems

2013-01-07 Thread Heidrun Wiesenmüller
Mary, When we worked on our discovery system, we did include 'see' references and limited 'see also' references in the search. So searching for Julie Andrews also retrieves children's books by Julie Edwards (for example). We decided not to include 551's since we were afraid it would

Re: [RDA-L] Separate bibliographic identities

2013-01-06 Thread Heidrun Wiesenmüller
Dan Matei said: This super entity would be useful. When I search for Bill Clinton, I would like to get: Bill Clinton (as himself): n1 entities; Bill Clinton (as governor of Arkansas): n2 entities; Bill Clinton (as president of USA): n3 entities. Likewise: search for Frederic Dannay: Ellery

Re: [RDA-L] Separate bibliographic identities Discovery Systems

2013-01-06 Thread Lasater, Mary Charles
I've found this discussion very interesting and can't stop myself from making a comment. When we worked on our discovery system, we did include 'see' references and limited 'see also' references in the search. So searching for Julie Andrews also retrieves children's books by Julie Edwards (for

Re: [RDA-L] Separate bibliographic identities

2013-01-06 Thread Heidrun Wiesenmüller
Thomas said: Just a suggestion-- would not relationship designators serve as the data to accomplish much of this. That is, without adding anything to existing records, or deciding a priori that one entity is a super entity. For example, the use of the relationship designators real

Re: [RDA-L] Separate bibliographic identities (was: RDA rule interpretations)

2013-01-05 Thread Heidrun Wiesenmüller
Referring to the concept of separate bibliographic identities, Laurence said: This concept is not part of the Anglo-American tradition, but it was included in a revised edition of AACR2. In my opinion, it was an ill-considered attempt to deal with the problem that some authors use different

Re: [RDA-L] Separate bibliographic identities

2013-01-05 Thread J. McRee Elrod
Heidrun said: When I first learned about the AACR2 concept of separate bibliographic identities, it did make sense to me, e.g. when thinking of Lewis Carroll / Charles Dodgson. Obviously, if someone was looking for things like the Curiosa mathematica, they don't want to be drowned in editions

Re: [RDA-L] Separate bibliographic identities (was: RDA rule interpretations)

2013-01-05 Thread Dan Matei
-Original Message- From: Heidrun Wiesenmüller wiesenmuel...@hdm-stuttgart.de Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2013 13:24:23 +0100 If it is indeed necessary to distinguish between different names/pseudonyms (of which I am not totally convinced), I think it would have to be done in a different way. If