Re: [RDA-L] Help with relationship designator

2013-05-24 Thread J. McRee Elrod
Dana Van Meter posted: In other words, would I also need a |e of editor, or if not editor, then a |e editor of compilation. I think my major problem is in understanding exactly what a compilation is. LC , under AACR2 did not even have a 700 for Garfinkle ... Omitting the 700 for the poet is an

[RDA-L] Question about examples in 2.5.6.3

2013-05-24 Thread Michael Chopey
I'm confused about the capitalization of the examples in 2.5.6.3 (Recording Designations of a Named Revision of an Edition). This rule and its examples came over from AACR2 mostly untouched (the phrase designation of replaces AACR2's statement relating to ... and that's about it), except that

Re: [RDA-L] Help with relationship designator

2013-05-24 Thread J. McRee Elrod
My earlier detailed answer seems to have gone missing. Dana VanMeter posted: Under AACR2, LC has Levine Melammed as the author. About half of the book is the poems by Garfinkle ... It's not AACR2's fault that there is no 700 for Garfinkle. You should add that 700 if not replacing the AACR2

Re: [RDA-L] Question about examples in 2.5.6.3

2013-05-24 Thread Joan Wang
I look at A.5 about the capitalization of edition statement. It says to capitalize the first word or abbreviation of the first word in a designation edition. It also refers to 2.5.2. It does not indicate 2.5.6 Designation of a Named Revision of an Edition. So I assume that we do not have to

Re: [RDA-L] Question about examples in 2.5.6.3

2013-05-24 Thread Heidrun Wiesenmüller
I agree with Joan. The rules about capitalization are in appendix A, and A.5 only tells us to capitalize the element designation of edition, but not the element designation of a named revision of an edition (which, personally, I find a rather odd element, by the way). I think there is simply a

Re: [RDA-L] Question about examples in 2.5.6.3

2013-05-24 Thread Joan Wang
If the example *World's classics ed., New ed. rev*. appears under 2.5.1.4 Recording Edition Statement. It really should not include the designations of a named revision. Go too far! Thanks, Joan Wang On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 10:08 AM, John Hostage host...@law.harvard.eduwrote: There is also

Re: [RDA-L] Question about preferred title for a compilation

2013-05-24 Thread Joan Wang
two or more but not all works ... in a particular form means your phrase incomplete works in a single form. (6.2.2.10.3 a) ??? by the way, I feel that a good word would be selected works in single form and selected works not in single form. I think the lack of any subsection in 6.2.2 for

Re: [RDA-L] Question about preferred title for a compilation

2013-05-24 Thread Joan Wang
I think the lack of any subsection in 6.2.2 for compilations by more than one ? person/family/corporate body means there are no special rules for those compilations. In other words, we don't use conventional collective titles for those, so we default to whatever title the compilation is known by

Re: [RDA-L] Question about preferred title for a compilation

2013-05-24 Thread Joan Wang
Let me rephrase my question. Thanks to Arthur's help. Does 6.2.2.10.3 other compilations includes selected works in a single form, and selected works not in a single form? If it is, the languages of the rule is too grey :) For both categories, RDA tells us to record the preferred title for each

Re: [RDA-L] Question about examples in 2.5.6.3

2013-05-24 Thread Heidrun Wiesenmüller
John Hostage wrote: There is also this example in 2.5.1.4: World's classics ed., New ed. rev. Oddly, this example is almost identical to one in 2.5.6.3 (Recordingdesignations of a named revision of an edition): new edition, revised, reset, and illustrated Designation of edition: World's

Re: [RDA-L] Question about preferred title for a compilation

2013-05-24 Thread Arthur Liu
Hi Joan, Yes, I think that is correct: 6.2.2.10.3 a) covers selected works in a single form, and 6.2.2.10.3 b) covers selected works in more than one form (meaning, some of the selections are in one form, and some selections are in different form(s)). In the case of selected works in more than

Re: [RDA-L] Question about preferred title for a compilation

2013-05-24 Thread Harden, Jean
Recording each separate work's title is something we do all the time in music cataloging. In MARC, you use the field 700 12 creator's name. $t title of one work. For each work, you do a new 700 field. When you name all the works this way, RDA (for instance, in 6.2.2.10.3, Alternative) allows

Re: [RDA-L] Question about examples in 2.5.6.3

2013-05-24 Thread Joan Wang
Great! Heidrun. These examples should be reexamined. Thanks, Joan Wang On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 1:29 PM, Heidrun Wiesenmüller wiesenmuel...@hdm-stuttgart.de wrote: John Hostage wrote: There is also this example in 2.5.1.4: World's classics ed., New ed. rev. Oddly, this example is

Re: [RDA-L] Question about preferred title for a compilation

2013-05-24 Thread Kevin M Randall
The 1XX field relates only to the title in the 240 or 245. Fields 730 and 740 should be used for titles that do not have a personal, family, or corporate body name as part of the authorized access point. There is no inherent relationship between a title given in 7XX (or 8XX) and a name given

Re: [RDA-L] Question about examples in 2.5.6.3

2013-05-24 Thread Gene Fieg
You know, can we just record what is actually in the item, instead of inventing things (note phrase cited above. Who writes like that?) Inventions of what things should be go back to pre-AACR2 rules. Do we want to go there? On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 12:05 PM, Joan Wang

Re: [RDA-L] Fields 344-347

2013-05-24 Thread Karen Benko
I am no expert, but I have used 346 in the few RDA records I have made for DVDs, specifically so that I could include PAL/NTSC information. I have seen other records in OCLC that do the same thing. Perhaps the word analog in the description is unnecessary. On 4/12/2013 6:32 AM, John Williams

Re: [RDA-L] Question about preferred title for a compilation

2013-05-24 Thread Joan Wang
Hi, Kevin Do you mean if a person appears in 100 field, his/her name is still allowed to appear in 700 field for his/her another work? I thought that we would use 730/740 field (with the second indicator 2) for his/her another work in the same compilation. Or both are optional. Thanks for your

Re: [RDA-L] Help with relationship designator

2013-05-24 Thread Dana Van Meter
Thank you Mac. I also thought not having a 700 for Garfinkle was an error, and I will be adding one for her in my record. After thinking on this a bit more I'm starting to feel that LC considered this book to be a commentary and cataloged it following the rule for a Commentary (21.13B1): If the

Re: [RDA-L] Question about preferred title for a compilation

2013-05-24 Thread Harden, Jean
I'm not Kevin, but yes, definitely it is fine to use the same name in 100 and 700 (or 110 and 710). As Kevin said, the 1xx field has no necessary relation to any title other than that in the 240 or 245. A 730 or 740 does not inherently have anything to do with the 1xx. Jean From: Resource

Re: [RDA-L] Question about preferred title for a compilation

2013-05-24 Thread Joan Wang
Thanks, Jean. I was not aware with that. Joan Wang On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 3:48 PM, Harden, Jean jean.har...@unt.edu wrote: I’m not Kevin, but yes, definitely it is fine to use the same name in 100 and 700 (or 110 and 710). As Kevin said, the 1xx field has no necessary relation to any

Re: [RDA-L] Can Lecturer be used as a valid relator term and do you have a good example of a DVD + Book RDA record?

2013-05-24 Thread Dana Van Meter
This answer prompts some questions for me. 1. Are we allowed to use, then, the more specific terms indented underneath the relationship designator performer (which is in bold), or are we to use performer only, to cover all those types of situations represented by the more specific indented not

Re: [RDA-L] Help with relationship designator

2013-05-24 Thread J. McRee Elrod
Dana Van Meter said: I would prefer something more along the lines of |e author of added commentary, rather than |e author, but that doesn't exist. These two do exist: writer of added commentary writer of added text but if added, the relator terms would be longer than the entry

Re: [RDA-L] Question about preferred title for a compilation

2013-05-24 Thread J. McRee Elrod
Arthur Liu posted: In the case of selected works in more than one form, I think we use the conventional collective title *Works. *followed by *Selections* (instead of, for example, *Novels. Selections*). Wouldn' those conventional titles be 240 uniform titles? Wouldn't there still need to a a

Re: [RDA-L] Can Lecturer be used as a valid fas track relahave a good example of a DVD + Book RDA

2013-05-24 Thread JSC Secretary
On May 24, 2013 6:45 PM, Dana Van Meter vanme...@ias.edu wrote: This answer prompts some questions for me. 1. Are we allowed to use, then, the more specific terms indented underneath the relationship designator performer (which is in bold), or are we to use performer only, to cover all