Re: [RDA-L] Computer as media type redux
Am 15.11.2011 00:32, schrieb J. McRee Elrod: I'm told that Media type is a categorization reflecting the general type of intermediation device required to view, play, run, etc., the content of a resource. But ... microscopic [not microscope] projected [not projector] stereographic [not stereoscope] etc. Why the exception for electronic? Not to mention that many use devices they do not think of as computers to access electronic resources these days. We wouldn't need to discuss these terms at all if the terms themselves would not be used in MARC records but the codes. LC did define codes for the terms but didn't use them in the test records: http://www.loc.gov/standards/valuelist/rdamedia.html In actual applications, like OPAC displays, codes can easily be replaced by terms, and these may be changed anytime and anywhere. Only codes are language independent and do not fall into obsolescence or political incorrectness in which cases one would have to do millions of textual replacements. A modern design can and must avoid this sort of flaw. B.Eversberg
Re: [RDA-L] Computer as media type redux
Bernhard said:
In actual applications, like OPAC displays, codes can easily
be replaced by terms, and these may be changed anytime and
anywhere.
This would a great advantage for media terms in libraries whose
language of the catalogue is not English, or not one language only
(as in Quebec and Switzerland).
It is more work for cataloguers, since (for me at least) language
terms become second nature, but codes must be looked up.
To preserve transfer of library use skills however, display, whether
terminology or icons, should be standardized within each cultural
group. That is the difficulty with the leave it up to the library
response, as well as the lack opt IT expertise in smaller libraries.
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Re: [RDA-L] Computer media type cariers
RDA computer (i.e. electronic) carriers:
computer card
computer chip cartridge
computer disc
computer disc cartridge
computer tape cartridge
computer tape cassette
computer tape reel
online resource
How do inhand e-books fit into this? They are acquired as PDF files
online, but when installed and in use are not online. We have
catalogued well over 30,000 of those. We have never catalogued a
computer card, cartridge, cassette, or reel. We have catalogued
CD-R0Ms.
E-books are very rarely used on a computer, but rather on electronic
readers. Video games are accessed by play stations, not computers. Of
the electronic resources we catalogue, only CD-ROMs are used on a
computer.
In addition, online resource is far too general as a carrier term;
including websites, video games, streaming videos, etc., all of which
we have catalogued.
RDA seems very out of date to me, in relation to what we are now
doing.
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Re: [RDA-L] Computer media type cariers
J. McRee Elrod said:
E-books are very rarely used on a computer, but rather on electronic readers.
Video games are accessed by play stations, not computers. Of the electronic
resources we catalogue, only CD-ROMs are used on a computer.
I suppose that statement is correct if you define a computer very narrowly to
mean a workstation (desktop/tower unit, keyboard/mouse, monitor) or laptop.
iPads, iPods, iPhones, Android phones, Blackberrys, Kindles, Fires, Xboxes,
PS3s, and Wiis may not look like traditional computers, but they are computers
nonetheless. All of them have CPUs, have human inputs (touch screen, keyboard,
controller, etc.), display capabilities, and storage.
As concerns the use of the term online resource, I agree that the term is
problematic. To me it implies availability (i.e., the resource is available on
the Internet) as opposed to the carrier of the content. I would prefer a term
like digital resource.
As regards specificity, RDA does allow for a more specific description of the
online resource in 3.19.
Damian Iseminger
Technical Services Librarian
New England Conservatory
Spaulding Library
33 Gainsborough St.
Boston, MA 02472
Phone: (617) 585-1254
FAX: (617) 585-1245
Email: damian.isemin...@necmusic.edu
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RDA computer (i.e. electronic) carriers:
computer card
computer chip cartridge
computer disc
computer disc cartridge
computer tape cartridge
computer tape cassette
computer tape reel
online resource
How do inhand e-books fit into this? They are acquired as PDF files
online, but when installed and in use are not online. We have
catalogued well over 30,000 of those. We have never catalogued a
computer card, cartridge, cassette, or reel. We have catalogued
CD-R0Ms.
E-books are very rarely used on a computer, but rather on electronic
readers. Video games are accessed by play stations, not computers. Of
the electronic resources we catalogue, only CD-ROMs are used on a
computer.
In addition, online resource is far too general as a carrier term;
including websites, video games, streaming videos, etc., all of which
we have catalogued.
RDA seems very out of date to me, in relation to what we are now
doing.
__ __ J. McRee (Mac) Elrod (m...@slc.bc.ca)
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Re: [RDA-L] Computer media type carriers
-Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of J. McRee Elrod Sent: November 15, 2011 4:30 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Computer media type carriers Damian Iseminger said: As concerns the use of the term online resource, I agree that the term is problematic. To me it implies availability (i.e., the resource is available on the Internet) as opposed to the carrier of the content. I would prefer a term like digital resource. Digital resource would be more accurate for resources on a physical carrier than online resource. The RDA/ONIX attributes making up online resource include file server as the StorageMediumFormat. Online resource is already defined as something not on a localized physical carrier, but still requiring a computer Intermediation Tool to access the content. Thomas Brenndorfer Guelph Public Library
Re: [RDA-L] Computer as media type redux
Mac Elrod wrote: Bernhard said: In actual applications, like OPAC displays, codes can easily be replaced by terms, and these may be changed anytime and anywhere. This would a great advantage for media terms in libraries whose language of the catalogue is not English, or not one language only (as in Quebec and Switzerland). It is more work for cataloguers, since (for me at least) language terms become second nature, but codes must be looked up. Wow, wouldn't it be nice to have a system that, when the cataloger started to type out unmediated in a 337 field, very quickly showed the cataloger a phrase such as unmediated = n, which the cataloger would then select, causing the string $bn$2rdamedia to be input automatically into the 377 field. But I guess I really shouldn't be dreaming that we have any chance of incorporating late 20th century computer technology into our early 21st century cataloging interfaces. What in the world am I thinking?!? Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Bibliographic Services Dept. Northwestern University Library 1970 Campus Drive Evanston, IL 60208-2300 email: k...@northwestern.edu phone: (847) 491-2939 fax: (847) 491-4345
Re: [RDA-L] Computer as media type redux
-Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Kevin M Randall Sent: November 15, 2011 4:59 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Computer as media type redux Mac Elrod wrote: Bernhard said: In actual applications, like OPAC displays, codes can easily be replaced by terms, and these may be changed anytime and anywhere. This would a great advantage for media terms in libraries whose language of the catalogue is not English, or not one language only (as in Quebec and Switzerland). It is more work for cataloguers, since (for me at least) language terms become second nature, but codes must be looked up. Wow, wouldn't it be nice to have a system that, when the cataloger started to type out unmediated in a 337 field, very quickly showed the cataloger a phrase such as unmediated = n, which the cataloger would then select, causing the string $bn$2rdamedia to be input automatically into the 377 field. But I guess I really shouldn't be dreaming that we have any chance of incorporating late 20th century computer technology into our early 21st century cataloging interfaces. What in the world am I thinking?!? We've been using auto-suggest for searching for about two weeks now after our recent system upgrade, which introduced the feature. Although not available for editing at this point, I've already found the feature to be a productivity boost in other tasks when cataloging. Thomas Brenndorfer Guelph Public Library
Re: [RDA-L] Computer media type carriers
Thomas said:
Online resource is already defined as something not on a localized
physical carrier, but still requiring a computer Intermediation Tool
to access the content.
The original question was, what carrier term is there for a localized
physical electronic resource carrier?
But the definition above, among others, confirms RDA as being in an
Alice in Wonderland world in which words mean what JSC says they mean,
as opposed to their dictionary or common usage meanings. I wonder if
this will improve with the editing now underway.
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