[RDA-L] FW: RDA Implementation at the British Library

2013-04-02 Thread Danskin, Alan
From the 1st April 2013, RDA : Resource Description and Access http://www.rdatoolkit.org/ , replaced the Anglo-American Cataloguing Rules, 2nd edition, as the British Library's official descriptive cataloguing standard, for records added to the British National Bibliography and British Library

Re: [RDA-L] FW: RDA Implementation at the British Library

2013-04-02 Thread Bernhard Eversberg
Am 02.04.2013 14:00, schrieb Danskin, Alan: From the 1^st April 2013/, RDA : Resource Description and Access http://www.rdatoolkit.org//, replaced the /Anglo-American Cataloguing Rules/, 2^nd edition, as the British Library’s official descriptive cataloguing standard, for records added to the

Re: [RDA-L] Publication date/copyright date

2013-04-02 Thread Goldfarb, Kathie
Just a comment. In the old days, a book might have a copyright date, with a second date listed on the book. Was it a new publication or a reprint? The instruction at that time was that if it was made with the same 'plates' it was considered to be a reprint. Sometimes the books had the same

Re: [RDA-L] relationship designator and in cooperation with

2013-04-02 Thread Deborah Fritz
It was very useful to be able to see the example you are dealing with-thanks for that. Based on the t.p. and verso (which Springer makes public), I would say that Giorgio is a contributor (in the RDA sense) at the expression level. When you cannot pick a specific relationship designator,

Re: [RDA-L] relationship designator and in cooperation with

2013-04-02 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
I don't think contributor is defined in RDA appendix I. There is I.3.1 the list titled, relationship designators for contributors [associated with an expression] but no actual term contributor in that list, or any of the others. Is this something that perhaps is in the JSC relator term

Re: [RDA-L] relationship designator and in cooperation with

2013-04-02 Thread Alison Hitchens
Based on Deborah's information, the key instruction here is from I.1 If the element used to record the relationship (e.g., creator) is considered sufficient for the purposes of the agency creating the data, do not use a relationship designator to indicate the specific nature of the

[RDA-L] JSC web site: recent postings

2013-04-02 Thread JSC Secretary
(1) Recent documents posted to the JSC web site ( http://www.rda-jsc.org/workingnew.html): -- 6JSC/BL/3/Rev/Sec final/rev -- 6JSC/LC/11/Sec final/rev -- 6JSC/Policy/3 [Duty statement for the JSC Secretary] The revisions to the Sec final documents for 6JSC/BL/3/Rev and for 6JSC/LC/11 adds

Re: [RDA-L] relationship designator and in cooperation with

2013-04-02 Thread Mary Jeanne Yuen
Hello, I found in LC's Code List for Relators, Term Sequence. http://www.loc.gov/marc/relators/relaterm.html Contributor [ctb] Use for a person or organization one whose work has been contributed to a larger work, such as an anthology, serial publication, or other compilation of individual

Re: [RDA-L] recording production statements

2013-04-02 Thread Deborah Fritz
Disclaimer: I am not an expert on facsimiles/reproductions, and might be way off base here, but I think this is an underlying issue that we have not been covering, in this example. Remember that Chris said: A professor here wrote to the choreographer of a performance he saw to find out if it was

[RDA-L] Capitalization of approximately in 300

2013-04-02 Thread Amanda Sprochi
Hi folks, need some wisdom. I'm working on a shorthand cheat sheet for RDA. My question: in the extent element [300 field in MARC], it says to use the word approximately with an estimation of units if the number cannot be easily ascertained. All of the examples have approximately in lower

[RDA-L] 336 repeated for illustrations?

2013-04-02 Thread Karen Nelson
I am just looking at an LC record for a title which includes significant coloured illustrations. There are two 336's: one for text and one for still image. I see the point, but of all the LC's RDA records for illustrated titles so far, this is the only one I've encountered handled this way -

Re: [RDA-L] 336 repeated for illustrations?

2013-04-02 Thread Sandra Knapp
We have decided to include two 336s for text and still image when the title includes images or artwork which are and integral part of the story, as in picture books for children and graphic novels. Sandra Knapp Head Cataloguer hours: 8:00 am to 3:30 pm, Mon-Fri. Waterloo Region District School

Re: [RDA-L] 336 repeated for illustrations?

2013-04-02 Thread Stewart, Richard
That is what we have decided to do as well. For the more usual illustrated books, where the illustrations expand on or illuminate but are not central to the intellectual or artistic content, we just use the 336 for text. On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Sandra Knapp

Re: [RDA-L] recording production statements

2013-04-02 Thread J. McRee Elrod
Deborah Fritz made some sensible points, but ... So, rather than trying to discover that (who made the DVD), perhaps we should just invoke the CORE instruction and just give the date (which is the only core Production Statement element) that we think the copy was made (perhaps [2013?]) The dance

Re: [RDA-L] relationship designator and in cooperation with

2013-04-02 Thread J. McRee Elrod
Alison Hitchens posted: / Giuseppe Barbaro, Franck Boccara (Eds) ; in cooperation with Giorgio Barb= arini =3D700 1\$aBarbaro, Giuseppe,$eeditor of compilation. =3D700 1\$aBoccara, Franck$eeditor of compilation. =3D700 1\$aBarbarini, Giorgio. How about Barbarini, Giorgia,$econtributor.?

Re: [RDA-L] 336 repeated for illustrations?

2013-04-02 Thread Michael Borries
In addition to what others have said, I use an additional 336 for catalogs in which the illustrative matter forms the principal part of the work. I suspect that any time the 300 field indicates that a work consists chiefly of illustrations, then an additional 336 for still images would be

Re: [RDA-L] relationship designator and in cooperation with

2013-04-02 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
-Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of J. McRee Elrod Sent: April-02-13 2:17 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] relationship designator and in cooperation with

Re: [RDA-L] Capitalization of approximately in 300

2013-04-02 Thread J. McRee Elrod
Amanda posted: approximately 60 slides approximately 600 pages Apart from capitalization, there is the problem of Anglocentrism. If we can't use ca. 60 slides, how about [60?] slides? __ __ J. McRee (Mac) Elrod (m...@slc.bc.ca) {__ | / Special Libraries Cataloguing

Re: [RDA-L] 336 repeated for illustrations?

2013-04-02 Thread J. McRee Elrod
Karen Nelson posted: I am just looking at an LC record for a title which includes significant coloured illustrations. There are two 336's: one for text and one for still image. RDA has options ranging from giving all, to giving just the single most prominent. This will be another area of

Re: [RDA-L] Capitalization of approximately in 300

2013-04-02 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
-Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of J. McRee Elrod Sent: April-02-13 3:21 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Capitalization of approximately in 300

Re: [RDA-L] relationship designator and in cooperation with

2013-04-02 Thread Alison Hitchens
Thanks Mac, I may have missed it on the list if there was a discussion that we could use element names as relators. I had RDA-L set to no mail while I was away! I've been going by the LC RDA training modules and they give the example of publisher: Publisher isn't used as an RDA relationship

Re: [RDA-L] Capitalization of approximately in 300

2013-04-02 Thread Heidrun Wiesenmüller
Amanda, All of the examples have approximately in lower case: approximately 60 slides approximately 600 pages Granted that RDA doesn't give things in MARC format, but as the first element shouldn't the approximately be capitalized? 300 Approximately 60 slides : $b etc. I believe

Re: [RDA-L] Capitalization of approximately in 300

2013-04-02 Thread Amanda Sprochi
Thanks Heidrun. I'm wondering then about RDA A.9-- Capitalize the first word or abbreviation of a word when recording details of an element. I'm not sure I properly understand what they mean by details of an element. I would assume this would mean whatever text makes up an element, but I

Re: [RDA-L] Capitalization of approximately in 300

2013-04-02 Thread Heidrun Wiesenmüller
I'm rather puzzled by A.9 myself. As 7.13.2.4 is mentioned as an example, I assume the instruction refers to a number of elements, mostly in chapter 3, which have the word details as part of the element name, e.g.: 3.6.1.4 Details of base materials 3.7.1.4 Details of applied materials 3.9.1.4

Re: [RDA-L] 2.4.3.3 Parallel statements of responsibility

2013-04-02 Thread M. E.
Heidrun Wiesenmüller wiesenmuel...@hdm-stuttgart.de wrote: Well, let’s wait and see what Chris Oliver has come up with. I gather the rest of the reworded chapters should appear soon in the Toolkit (by the way, wasn't it announced that chapters 2 and 3 should be published in February?).

Re: [RDA-L] Capitalization of approximately in 300

2013-04-02 Thread Arakawa, Steven
Curiously, in AACR2 2.5B7, the initial term in the extent examples is ca. which is now approximately in RDA, but it's ca. not Ca. Was AACR2 being inconsistent with ISBD in the examples? Steven Arakawa Catalog Librarian for Training Documentation Catalog Metada Services Sterling Memorial

Re: [RDA-L] recording production statements

2013-04-02 Thread Gene Fieg
One of the lines has Montclaire; should be Montclair. I used to go there a lot in my youth. Bloomfield and Montclair were huge football rivals. On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 1:04 PM, J. McRee Elrod m...@slc.bc.ca wrote: Chris Fox posted: ferocious beauty: GENOME Liz Lerman Dance Exchange

Re: [RDA-L] 2.4.3.3 Parallel statements of responsibility

2013-04-02 Thread M. E.
Heidrun Wiesenmüller wiesenmuel...@hdm-stuttgart.de wrote: But be that as it may: There is indeed an example for a grammatically incomplete s-o-r in the ISBD (which was news to me), and this must give us cause to think again (although of course we know that RDA deviates from the ISBD

Re: [RDA-L] Capitalization of approximately in 300

2013-04-02 Thread M. E.
Arakawa, Steven steven.arak...@yale.edu wrote: Curiously, in AACR2 2.5B7, the initial term in the extent examples is ca. which is now approximately in RDA, but it's ca. not Ca. Was AACR2 being inconsistent with ISBD in the examples? Looks like it. And there are also leaves 81-149 and p.

Re: [RDA-L] Capitalization of approximately in 300

2013-04-02 Thread M. E.
Amanda Sprochi sproc...@health.missouri.edu wrote: I'm working on a shorthand cheat sheet for RDA. My question: in the extent element [300 field in MARC], it says to use the word approximately with an estimation of units if the number cannot be easily ascertained. All of the examples have

Re: [RDA-L] relationship designator and in cooperation with

2013-04-02 Thread M. E.
Alison Hitchens ahitc...@uwaterloo.ca wrote: Thanks Mac, I may have missed it on the list if there was a discussion that we could use element names as relators. I had RDA-L set to no mail while I was away! I've been going by the LC RDA training modules and they give the example of

Re: [RDA-L] recording production statements

2013-04-02 Thread M. E.
Fox, Chris c...@byui.edu wrote: I'm fine with going with just the date, if there's agreement that it isn't published I was going to comment on this point up-thread, but was waylaid till now. Is the choreographer creating DVDs of the performance for whomever asks for it? If so, this sounds

Re: [RDA-L] Publication date/copyright date

2013-04-02 Thread J. McRee Elrod
Michael Borries posted: I have wondered whether originally the approach of separating publication date and copyright date didn't arise, in part, at least, from this phenomenon of having books published earlier than the copyright date indicates. I don't think so. Both rules and standards say to